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Sunday, October 26, 2014

Pacers 82, Knicks 71

New York Knicks 71 Final
Recap | Box Score
82 Indiana Pacers
Carmelo Anthony, SF 37 MIN | 6-16 FG | 8-11 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 21 PTS | -16

The chief reason why many of us took a three-point halftime deficit as god-sent manna was this: Melo was coming off an impressively efficient first half (13 points on six shots), and, really, there was no way we were going to slog through another 24 minutes of shit like that again, right?

Brick, brick, rim-graze, charge, foul trouble, brick, miss, MAKE, miss, foul, brick, miss – Melo never found anything remotely resembling a rhythm in the second half. Chalk it up to a stagnant offense bereft of options, bad play-calling, bum shoulder, whatever you will. Fact is, Melo in this offense is about as difficult a puzzle to figure out as one of those Fisher Price block things that I can’t remember the name of because I’m also stupid and uncreative.

Iman Shumpert, SF 37 MIN | 3-10 FG | 2-2 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 8 PTS | -5

Like his fast floundering backcourt mates, Shumpert looked painfully indecisive at points throughout – passing when he should shoot, shooting when he should pass, and netting a pair of clumsy travels that killed a couple runs in their infancy. He was predictably outstanding on defense, save for a few shoddy switches and late closeouts. Oh, and he out-rebounded the next closest guy by three. Which is awesome / skull-fuckingly depressing.

Tyson Chandler, C 30 MIN | 3-4 FG | 3-5 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 3 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | -14

I don’t want to belabor this, in the same way I wouldn’t want to belabor nursing home visits or the clap. Tyson was as useful as a sack of spent hops tonight – no two ways around it. He refused to jump for rebounds, refused to box out, refused to position himself for tap-outs. He might be hurt – that’s eminently possible. Likely, even. And if that’s the case, I’m genuinely sorry. No I’m not.

Raymond Felton, PG 34 MIN | 1-8 FG | 4-5 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 6 PTS | -9

Huh. Alright. That’s… unfortunate. Felton’s been our bellwether for so long now, it’s hard to process him turning in a legitimately terrible wire-to-wire performance like this. The pathways to the paint that existed in games one and two were completely shut off; there were no transition opportunities to speak of; and the few shots he did take floated away like crop dust. TOLD YOU WE SHOULDN’T HAVE GOTTEN RID OF LIN!

Pablo Prigioni, PG 24 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -6

Exhibit 1-A why plus-minus fetishism can get out of hand. Game two’s inspired second half performance seemed a distant memory in the face of constant indecision and forced irrelevance. It’s quite simple, really: Prigioni can make defenses pay if provided enough air space on the perimeter. But all it takes is his man to decide that’s not going to be the case, and…. well, this is what you get.

Amar’e Stoudemire, PF 9 MIN | 3-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 7 PTS | 0

Did you know Amar’e Stoudemire had the highest plus-minus of any Knick to play more than 2 minutes tonight? True story and I just swallowed vomit.

The rust was flaking into piles, but there were a few nice moments – the one handed flush, the pull-up three at the end of the first half, the couple of nice defensive sequences. He’s still got a ways to go, and in a context that shouldn’t allow for learning on the fly, but…. The Knicks, y’all.

Kenyon Martin, PF 20 MIN | 4-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 8 PTS | +3

Was no worse than Tyson Chandler. Who wants to organize the parade?

Let’s face it: Checking Hibbert – he of the six extra inches – is no small task, and he probably shouldn’t have been put in that position that much to begin with.

Chris Copeland, SF 1 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 3 PTS | +3

Nice shot.

Jason Kidd, PG 20 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 0 PTS | -16

One-hundred and eighty minutes, still no points. He last scored on April 23rd, one day before my birthday. I don’t remember wishing for Jason Kidd to disappear when I blew out my… twelve candles. But it’s eminently possible. Six boards and a few quick-handed swipes — that’s it. That’s all we got. Not like we can score in transition anymore, anyway.

J.R. Smith, SG 25 MIN | 4-12 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 9 PTS | -5

Oh man, this guy. His first few hoists missed wider than Scott Norwood, and the look of death warmed over made most everyone feel like the cries of sick were probably legit. When he wasn’t throwing in impossible bullshit jumpers that clearly took every ounce of strength he had, he was blowing rotations, refusing to move his feet, and generally looking like someone with some kind of illness. Whatever.

Mike Woodson

PFFFFFFFFFT. I’ll let you guys handle this one.

Five Things We Saw

  1. The Pacers shot 8-31 from three, while the Knicks were 3-11 (including one by Copeland in garbage time). There’s not much more you can say about this.
  2. The Pacers outrebounded the Knicks 53-40, including 18-10 in OREBS. There’s not much more you can say about this, either.
  3. The Knicks had more turnovers (14) than assists (11). There’s not much more you can say about this.
  4. Roy Hibbert thrashed us like a row of stricken corn stalks. There’s plenty more to say about this, and it’s all incredibly depressing.
  5. We played right into the teeth of Indy’s D and scored 71 points. We lose Tuesday, we’re toast. Simple as that.

40 comments on “Pacers 82, Knicks 71

  1. mr.JayP

    woodson has to distribute kidd’s minutes in a more productive manner. he isn’t producing at all. i wonder how it will affect our offense to actually have a person that can take and actually make a shot.

    wouldnt mind giving it to novak/cope at this point…

  2. BigBlueAL

    3pt shooting tonight: Knicks 3 for 11, Pacers 10 for 33. Thats the difference in the game right there. Knicks overall actually shot a slightly higher percentage, outshot them from the FT line and even with their turnover problems early in the game still had less turnovers than Indiana. Indiana outrebounded them but that was to be expected. Amazing that the 3pt shot has been the difference in this series so far but its been because Indiana is taking and making more than the Knicks.

    Also I mentioned it at the end of the game thread and I will say it again here, no way in hell Chandler is anywhere near 100%. He cant jump at all, he is barely even making his dunks right now.

  3. jon abbey

    haven’t seen any of the game thread and think I’ll spare myself, that was pretty depressing.

    they need one guy on the team, anyone, to get hot on offense. it sure would be nice to give Copeland a shot at being that guy in game 4.

  4. coyle022

    tyson chandler aka Hibbert’s B1tch was as bad as he’s ever been. in his entire career. in the 2nd round of the playoffs. just pathetic. For a guy whose game revolves around energy, post-d, and rebounding, none of that was there tonight. In fact he was a detriment to the team in all of those areas. How long will it take for Woodson to recognize these things that almost EVERY poster/fan notices. A) Jason Kidd cannot play professional basketball anymore. he just can’t. B) JR “Father Pipe ” Smith needs to be reigned in A TON. not just “Maybe I’ll bench him if he struggles” it has to be “JR you are not going to be on the court for another second if I see anymore nonsense.” C) Melo, in regards to this series, is a small forward. I understand the small-ball look, pick and roll, etc. But David West is a man. Carmelo is being asked to do too much at the 4, when it is SO DAMN OBVIOUS that he will thrive at the 3, in this series.—- There should be no lineups with Kidd/Chandler, this isnt 2011 Dallas Mavericks anymore, Kidd we need bc of guard depth but Chandler is just awful right now. For those of us who play NBA 2k13 you know the feeling, the dude just cannot compete right now. Maybe it’s the injury, and he’s actually not 100%, but damn he grabbed 28 REBS against GS a few months back, and now he is looking like Hamed Haddadi out there against Roy Hibbert. This is truly the lowest of lows for this particular Knick team, it’s one thing to execute poorly but they just flat out got beat today AND they showed no extra effort or intensity, especially in the context of a playoff game. This is my 1st post on this site and probably the last, so to sum up everything-TYSON CHANDLER YOU ARE FOREVER “HIBBERT’S B1TCH!!!!!!!”

  5. mr.JayP

    BigBlueAL:
    3pt shooting tonight:Knicks 3 for 11, Pacers 10 for 33.Thats the difference in the game right there.Knicks overall actually shot a slightly higher percentage, outshot them from the FT line and even with their turnover problems early in the game still had less turnovers than Indiana.Indiana outrebounded them but that was to be expected.Amazing that the 3pt shot has been the difference in this series so far but its been because Indiana is taking and making more than the Knicks.

    Also I mentioned it at the end of the game thread and I will say it again here, no way in hell Chandler is anywhere near 100%.He cant jump at all, he is barely even making his dunks right now.

    and that sucks…hibbert is having a field day with him.

    For game 4 they have to attack hibbert from the tip off and woody should consider using a rotation of all his bigs to make hibbert and their front line as uncomfortable as possible.

    hibbert was in control, comfortable and even smiling happily…during a fucking playoff game. that can’t happen.

  6. mr.JayP

    jon abbey:
    haven’t seen any of the game thread and think I’ll spare myself, that was pretty depressing.

    they need one guy on the team, anyone, to get hot on offense. it sure would be nice to give Copeland a shot at being that guy in game 4.

    LOL that would make too much sense…

  7. GHenman

    Woody looks like he’s coaching not to hurt guys feelings. In the playoffs he shouldn’t be relying on a set rotations. He should be playing guys who are playing well period. Anyone who isn’t getting it done should be sitting. I also don’t think he’s a big fan of Amare.

  8. GHenman

    dogrufus: So, anybody still believe we have a shot at winning 3 of the next 4?

    Hell yeah we can! Indiana is just not that good. If we play our best and they play their best we would win every time.

  9. jon abbey

    dogrufus:
    So, anybody still believe we have a shot at winning 3 of the next 4?

    of course, unless you think no one on the entire team will play well in game 4 just like no one played well tonight. it’s certainly possible, just as anything from IND in 5 to NY in 6 is.

    also, the Knicks could lose their next 1000 games, and you would still be a huge fucking asshole for your behavior here the last week or so.

  10. BigBlueAL

    GHenman: Hell yeah we can!Indiana is just not that good.If we play our best and they play their best we would win every time.

    This is what keeps me optimistic, even if the Knicks lose Game 4. Indiana is just a real bad team on offense. Makes the lackluster effort on D by the Knicks in Game 1 even more infuriating. If the Knicks continue to just give good effort on D like they have the past 2 games and for most of the Celtics series Indiana will have a hard time breaking 90 just like the Celtics had.

    Knicks dont even have to be lights out on offense for an entire game, just a couple of good spurts of offense per game should be enough to win these games. Rediscovering their 3pt stroke would go a long ways.

  11. Brian Cronin

    This is what keeps me optimistic, even if the Knicks lose Game 4.

    Come on, Al, there’s no way you can be optimistic if they lose Game 4.

    That said, I don’t think it comes to that (well, I hope it doesn’t come to that, at least). As you mentioned awhile back, a split of the first four games is quite normal. Then the Knicks just win their home games and they play the Heat.

  12. Brian Cronin

    By the way, one thing I will note – the Pacers aren’t getting enough credit here. They’re playing well and Vogel is coaching rings around Woodson. It is not just that the Knicks are all sucking together, the Pacers are playing strong defense and specifically preventing the Knicks from playing the kind of offense they want. It’s not like the Knicks decided to not shoot threes, the Pacers aren’t letting them get threes off. Where Vogel is succeeding over Woodson is that Woodson has not been able to adjust to make sure that the Knicks do get threes off. That’s what he has to do in Game 4. Hopefully he will do so.

  13. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: Come on, Al, there’s no way you can be optimistic if they lose Game 4.

    That said, I don’t think it comes to that (well, I hope it doesn’t come to that, at least). As you mentioned awhile back, a split of the first four games is quite normal. Then the Knicks just win their home games and they play the Heat.

    Ive seen the Knicks down 3-2 go into Indiana for Game 6 and win TWICE!!

  14. BigBlueAL

    My thing is the Knicks have to win 1 in Indiana, it doesnt matter if its Game 4 or 6 assuming of course they take care of business in Game 5 at home.

  15. jon abbey

    dogrufus: I post pessimistic things that happen to often be accurate.For this, I am personally attacked and called all kinds of vicious names.It’s not in my range to spew profanity at people I disagree with.

    my impression is that you wait until things are going bad, post pessimistic things over and over and over and over, and basically ruin the message board for everyone else.

    and it has nothing to do with disagreeing or agreeing with you, no one in my memory on Knickerblogger has ever acted like a bigger asshole than you have this past week. no one. ever. NY could win ten titles in a row or lose their next 1000 games, either way it would be hard to top your performance here this past week.

  16. Spree8nyk8

    Look, just like I told my dad prior to this game, we only needed to win one of these two games, it really didn’t matter which one it was. Indiana DEFINITELY needed THIS game. If they would have lost this game the Knicks would have been playing game 4 with house money. It’s definitely not an excuse, and by no means did they put forward anything resembling the type of effort they should have put forth today, but at the same time it’s 2-1, not 3-1, or 3-0. If they win on Tuesday it’s a best of 3. So I’m just not going to hang my head about it when all they have to do is win one game to get back what has been lost. Indiana is not a world beater.

    We are going to win this series, I believe it in my soul. Think about how many times this year everyone thought this team was going to fail. And everytime they have met adversity well. One win evens the series, and we are going to get that win.

  17. Brian Cronin

    Ive seen the Knicks down 3-2 go into Indiana for Game 6 and win TWICE!!

    The Knicks have trailed the Pacers 3-1 in three separate playoff series (1995, 1998, 2000). They lost all three. So why would you be optimistic about them if they were down 3-1 in this series?

    Brian, I agree with Al. They could beat Indiana three in a row if it came to that.

    Could? Of course. I wouldn’t dream of saying they couldn’t. I’m saying there’s no way you could be optimistic about the series if they lost Game 4. You can be optimistic about the series right now, since they just have to win tomorrow to tie the series up and regain home court. But I don’t see how anyone could realistically be optimistic if they lose Game 4.

  18. Brian Cronin

    Look, just like I told my dad prior to this game, we only needed to win one of these two games, it really didn’t matter which one it was. Indiana DEFINITELY needed THIS game. If they would have lost this game the Knicks would have been playing game 4 with house money. It’s definitely not an excuse, and by no means did they put forward anything resembling the type of effort they should have put forth today, but at the same time it’s 2-1, not 3-1, or 3-0. If they win on Tuesday it’s a best of 3. So I’m just not going to hang my head about it when all they have to do is win one game to get back what has been lost. Indiana is not a world beater.

    We are going to win this series, I believe it in my soul. Think about how many times this year everyone thought this team was going to fail. And everytime they have met adversity well. One win evens the series, and we are going to get that win.

    Agreed. They just need to leave Indy tied and they should be fine.

  19. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey:
    previous Pacers/Knicks history is a hundred percent irrelevant in my book.

    I know, I should have ended my comment about seeing them win in Indy in Game 6’s to force a Game 7 twice with my signature lol at the end to signify I wasnt being too serious.

  20. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: The Knicks have trailed the Pacers 3-1 in three separate playoff series (1995, 1998, 2000). They lost all three. So why would you be optimistic about them if they were down 3-1 in this series?

    Could? Of course. I wouldn’t dream of saying they couldn’t. I’m saying there’s no way you could be optimistic about the series if they lost Game 4. You can be optimistic about the series right now, since they just have to win tomorrow to tie the series up and regain home court. But I don’t see how anyone could realistically be optimistic if they lose Game 4.

    Here is the way Im looking at it, from the beginning of this series I anticipated a 6 or 7 game series. At this point I think we would all be happy if this series goes 7. So my thing is who cares how it gets to a 7th game as long as it gets to one.

    Obviously I would love to win the next 3 and spare us having to watch a dreaded Game 7. But to be honest Im not sure the Knicks will win on Tuesday. Their best chance of winning in Indy might very well be a Game 6 where all the pressure is on Indiana to close it out at home. This is a young Pacers team who has never made it as far as having a chance to close out a team at home to advance to the conference finals. I could very well see a Game 6 at home where a tight/nervous Indiana shoots awful along with turning it over 20 times virtually gifting the Knicks a win.

    I know what this site will be like Tuesday night if the Knicks lose. All Im saying is Im not going to declare the season over until they lose 4 games to the Pacers. Down 3-1 vs the Heat next round its over. But down 3-1 this series vs the Pacers the Knicks are still very much alive.

    Damnit Brian what the hell, you are supposed to be the optimistic one!!!!

  21. Brian Cronin

    Ha! Hey, I am saying that I think they’ll still win the series. I just don’t think I would feel that way if they fell behind 3-1, that’s all. I’m still optimistic that they’ll win, I just think that they’ll win Tuesday to even the series and then some two-win combination of Games 5, 6 and 7. It is asking too much, I think, to ever say to a team, “Okay, you need to out and win three straight games against a good team or else you’re eliminated.” Could it happen? Of course. It’s happened plenty of times over the years. I just wouldn’t be optimistic about it happening if the Knicks were in that situation. I am optimistic that they won’t be in that situation, though.

  22. Spree8nyk8

    I’m pretty sure most of us felt this exact way after game 1. Game 1 they played lethargic basketball and honestly it kind of felt just like this game, but game 2 they came out and smoked them. I really don’t see a reason that they can’t come out and smoke them in game 4. It would be one thing if we had played well and Indy just beat them. But that hasn’t been the case. They played like shit the two games they lost. Not taking credit away from Indy at all, they won that game straight up. But for whatever reason we didn’t execute well at all in games one or three. I do expect that game 4 is going to be a war though. It has to be.

    If you picked this series to go 6 or 7 like most people then that means you expected them to lose either 2 or 3 games in this series, and that is what has happened.

  23. johnnyd18

    Here is something that seems so obvious – The Knicks just couldn’t score tonight, so there was no good reason Chris Copeland didn’t get any playing time. If there is one thing this guy proved all year, it’s that he can score the basketball when given the chance. The Knicks needed some kind of offensive spark and he may have done that, if given the chance. Could be a missed opportunity.

  24. Shad0wF0x

    If Tyson Chandler (injured or not) is going to be this ineffective against Roy Hibbert on the defensive side, there’s no reason to play him heavy minutes. Chandler’s lack of an offensive game was supposed to be offset by his ability to defend against Hibbert and grab offensive rebounds, neither of which he did a good job with. If this continues to be the case, it’s time to use an Amar’e/Copeland/Novak trio and just go for all out offense. Might as well try to either
    A) Draw Roy Hibbert away from the basket
    B) Have Carmelo hit the aforementioned trio for the open shot.
    Since let’s face it, T-1000 isn’t here right now.

  25. bidiong

    The frustrating part about everything is you know the Knicks are better than the Pacers. And someone needs to man the Hell up and give Hibbert a real foul. And maybe rebound and not turn the ball over would help.

  26. ephus

    Shad0wF0x:
    If Tyson Chandler (injured or not) is going to be this ineffective against Roy Hibbert on the defensive side, there’s no reason to play him heavy minutes. Chandler’s lack of an offensive game was supposed to be offset by his ability to defend against Hibbert and grab offensive rebounds, neither of which he did a good job with. If this continues to be the case, it’s time to use an Amar’e/Copeland/Novak trio and just go for all out offense. Might as well try to either
    A) Draw Roy Hibbert away from the basket
    B) Have Carmelo hit the aforementioned trio for the open shot.
    Since let’s face it, T-1000 isn’t here right now.

    +1 (sadly)

    Obviously, my Knicks in 5 prediction has crashed and burned. It was not just homerism.

    Before the series, my optimism was largely based on the expectation that Chandler could handle Hibbert in the post without help. If anyone can post the first half possessions from the Knick victory in Indiana in 2011-12, you will see Chandler shut Hibbert down. Those days are over (who knows for how long).

    I would love to see Woodson use Stat to get Hibbert/West into early foul trouble. I would also love to see some Melo/cope/Novak (if you can offense/defense) to let Melo post up with Hibbert and West forced to defend the three.

    Game 4 is a must win.

  27. carl

    If Chandler is really hurt, the Knicks are finished. Only a miracle from Stat would save them. Or Cope. Those be long odds.

  28. jon abbey

    I don’t think he’s hurt, I just think he’s gotten his ass kicked twice by a younger and hungrier player.

  29. Hubert Davis

    Brian Cronin:
    By the way, one thing I will note – the Pacers aren’t getting enough credit here. They’re playing well and Vogel is coaching rings around Woodson. It is not just that the Knicks are all sucking together, the Pacers are playing strong defense and specifically preventing the Knicks from playing the kind of offense they want. It’s not like the Knicks decided to not shoot threes, the Pacers aren’t letting them get threes off. Where Vogel is succeeding over Woodson is that Woodson has not been able to adjust to make sure that the Knicks do get threes off. That’s what he has to do in Game 4. Hopefully he will do so.

    I don’t know, man. The Pacers deserve a lot of credit. But we are so complicit in our own demise.

    Is it really the Pacers D causing us to not get there’s off when we’re playing that awful Felton-Kidd-Melo-JR-Chandler lineup? What is that lineup other than an invitation for Melo & Jr to go ISO?

    The Pacers are good, but I’ve never seen a defense dismantle an offense like this. This has more to do w us abandoning our principles too easily.

  30. zjc23

    Hibbert is just too much right now and Chandler is looking rough. Would love to see- even in just short spurts- a true small ball lineup. Felt/Prigs/Shump/Melo/Cope- everyone playing out on the perimeter. Swing the ball and whoever has Hibbert just takes him to the rack. Make that big mofo get into space and move. Of course, for this to work, the three point shot has to be a threat and it just wasn’t there last night.

    Woody has shown the ability to adjust on occasion- we are now fighting through picks rather than switching, and I liked the brief zone last night. Maybe he can make some adjustments for Tuesday night.

  31. thenamestsam

    Well at least we can’t play any worse than that. I hope. The downside is that they really didn’t hit shots last night either. Obviously they’re not a good shooting team, but there’s room for improvement for them as well.

    Chandler needs to look himself in the mirror and figure out what he’s capable of giving right now. If he’s hurt and that “effort” is really all he has in the tank he needs to tell coach he can’t play. Or if he’s good enough to go he needs to turn it on, because last night was pitiful. He did exactly the same amount as I did to stop some of those Hibbert tip-ins, and looked a good bit less annoyed that it was happening than I did.

    And Copeland…yeah, he needs to play. Especially if this is what we’re getting from Tyson. If Hibbert is going to destroy us on one end we need to at least torture him on the other end. Go small and make them adjust.

  32. maxwell_3g

    Robert Silverman:
    Guys, please don’t feed the troll. We’re dealing with it. Please, take the high road.

    i believe dogrufus is a fan trying to execute a reverse jinx. he is fine IMO. and even if he is not a fan, he’s not hard to ignore. i dont see why people are getting bent out of shape over him. its not my sight, i realize, but i dont find him annoying or a nuisance. if ruru can get on here and constantly tell us how great melo and amare are and how we will clearly beat the pacers easily, etc, then why can;t dogrufus give us the opposing view? dogrufus is correct with many of his statements anyways

  33. maxwell_3g

    mr.JayP: and that sucks…hibbert is having a field day with him.

    For game 4 they have to attack hibbert from the tip off and woody should consider using a rotation of all his bigs to make hibbert and their front line as uncomfortable as possible.

    hibbert was in control, comfortable and even smiling happily…during a fucking playoff game. that can’t happen.

    disgaree completely with the idea of throwing a team of bigs at hibbert. we are not going to outsize the pacers and should not even trying to engage them in a game on their terms. we have to out-quick, out openetrate, and out shoot the pacers. that is really why i am wondering whether kidd really has much of a role in this series at this point, if he is not quick, cant penetrate, and refuses to shoot. more cope, prigs??

  34. Z

    Hey, 2nd Round basketball, congrats knick fans!

    I walked passed a big screen TV in a lounge yesterday and saw the familiar sight of Pacer fans going berserk at the expense of the Knicks. I had flashbacks to 1995, which, I just looked up, had the Knicks playing game 3 of the 2nd round in Indiana on May 11th. Weird.

    And (granted I haven’t followed this series until scanning over the game thread later last night) it does appear that this series is following the 1995 model. Knicks lose at home in game one, even it in game two, proceed to lose game three in Indy. That year Knicks also lost game 4 before getting serious and taking care of business in games 5 and 6 to regain home court (only to lose it in one heartbreaking finger roll…)

    Not sure if this should offer y’all hope or not for the rest of this series. But obviously a lot can still happen, so hang in there! (dogrufus be damned!)

  35. Z

    ps– I think I read something in the game thread like “more of Quentin in Game 4 would be nice”. I have no idea who Quentin is, but I started laughing at the idea that Quentin Richardson was being asked to lead the Knicks to playoff glory, just as Isiah had drawn it up…

  36. MeloDrama

    The Chandler injury does take a lot of the wind out of my sails as a fan, since I think realistically it eliminates the longshot championship equity we had. I felt, with Chandler 100%, this is a special team that could push Miami to 7. They’d be hard pressed to if he’s playing in this condition.

    Having said that, I’m still gonna enjoy this playoff run. Knicks are still a very good team and I expect they’ll win Game 4. They’re still playing stellar defense, Shumpy has had a special playoff run, Prigs has continued to emerge, and hell, anytime I see Knicks/Pacers on the playoff marquee, it takes me back to my youth.

    You’d got a gimpy Chandler and Jason Kidd as a complete non-entity on offense for these playoffs, and we’re still pluggin away. I think it shows we’ve got a pretty well-constructed team. Indiana’s defense is special, so it’ll be a series we’ve got to earn, but I still think we can and will.

  37. Tony Pena

    That really hurt… I think Woody has pretty much maximized this deep roster of many one-way players. The Knicks didn’t go iso all game and they passed the ball, everyone’s favorite catch phrase pet peeves. Indiana is just a very good young team that the Knicks had to stave off for the #2 seed. It’s all on Woody to come up with something extra.

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