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		<title>By: Frank O.</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420890</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert:

Excellent rant.
I&#039;m thinking 1800 words. Could be more.
All I could manage after the game was, &quot;fuckers.&quot;
And then looked for the next game on the schedule.

This is one of those games you forget. Forever. Like walling away Fortunato.  
&quot;Requiescat In Pace!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert:</p>
<p>Excellent rant.<br />
I&#8217;m thinking 1800 words. Could be more.<br />
All I could manage after the game was, &#8220;fuckers.&#8221;<br />
And then looked for the next game on the schedule.</p>
<p>This is one of those games you forget. Forever. Like walling away Fortunato.<br />
&#8220;Requiescat In Pace!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: johnlocke</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420865</link>
		<dc:creator>johnlocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been saying this for weeks/months now...but we need to change the starting lineup (not that that is a cure-all, but we&#039;ve gotta start somewhere, no pun intended). Either Felton, Shump, Melo, Amare, Chandler or Felton, Shump, Melo, Novak Chandler. 

Bring Kidd, Smith, Prigioni, Novak/Amare and Copeland off the bench.  Our current starting lineup is ranked 16th out of 20 in FG% differential.   

Our best lineup is Ray Felton, JKidd, Steve Novak, Carmelo and Tyson. This was clearly being impacted by those heady months in the fall where Kidd could do no wrong. So let&#039;s use that lineup and replace Kidd with Shump. FWIW, Shump at SF is just retarded.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2013/lineups/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying this for weeks/months now&#8230;but we need to change the starting lineup (not that that is a cure-all, but we&#8217;ve gotta start somewhere, no pun intended). Either Felton, Shump, Melo, Amare, Chandler or Felton, Shump, Melo, Novak Chandler. </p>
<p>Bring Kidd, Smith, Prigioni, Novak/Amare and Copeland off the bench.  Our current starting lineup is ranked 16th out of 20 in FG% differential.   </p>
<p>Our best lineup is Ray Felton, JKidd, Steve Novak, Carmelo and Tyson. This was clearly being impacted by those heady months in the fall where Kidd could do no wrong. So let&#8217;s use that lineup and replace Kidd with Shump. FWIW, Shump at SF is just retarded.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2013/lineups/" rel="nofollow">http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2013/lineups/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B.</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420864</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Toronto 
Philadelphia 
Golden State 
@Washington   
Miami 
@Cleveland 
@Detroit 
Oklahoma 
Utah 
@Golden State 
@Denver 
@Portland 
@Los Angeles 
@Utah 
Orlando 
@Toronto 
Toronto 
@Boston 
Memphis 
Charlotte 
Boston 
@Miami 
@Atlanta 
Milwaukee 
@Oklahoma City 
Washington 
@Chicago 
@Cleveland 
Indiana 
@Charlotte 
Atlanta

17 road 14 home
17 above .500 14 under .500
18 against projected playoff teams 9 of them on the road
8 back to backs
I’m thinking there are 15 losses here at a minimum playing as they are right now.  I can see a possibility of 18 losses.  But that&#039;s just me projecting this current style of play over the remainer of the season.  Perhaps one of Woodson&#039;s pep talks will turn everything around.  I&#039;d love to see that. Really I would because I do not think 45-46 wins will get you the Atlantic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Toronto<br />
Philadelphia<br />
Golden State<br />
@Washington<br />
Miami<br />
@Cleveland<br />
@Detroit<br />
Oklahoma<br />
Utah<br />
@Golden State<br />
@Denver<br />
@Portland<br />
@Los Angeles<br />
@Utah<br />
Orlando<br />
@Toronto<br />
Toronto<br />
@Boston<br />
Memphis<br />
Charlotte<br />
Boston<br />
@Miami<br />
@Atlanta<br />
Milwaukee<br />
@Oklahoma City<br />
Washington<br />
@Chicago<br />
@Cleveland<br />
Indiana<br />
@Charlotte<br />
Atlanta</p>
<p>17 road 14 home<br />
17 above .500 14 under .500<br />
18 against projected playoff teams 9 of them on the road<br />
8 back to backs<br />
I’m thinking there are 15 losses here at a minimum playing as they are right now.  I can see a possibility of 18 losses.  But that&#8217;s just me projecting this current style of play over the remainer of the season.  Perhaps one of Woodson&#8217;s pep talks will turn everything around.  I&#8217;d love to see that. Really I would because I do not think 45-46 wins will get you the Atlantic.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ephus / Brian or whoever else - if Jermaine O&#039;Neal is bought out, does he still go through the waiver process or is he an unrestricted FA?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ephus / Brian or whoever else &#8211; if Jermaine O&#8217;Neal is bought out, does he still go through the waiver process or is he an unrestricted FA?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420846</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Shump&#039;s effect on the D -- arbitrarily looking at February alone, when he&#039;s in the game our defensive efficiency is 97.8 points/100 poss which is really really good.  When he&#039;s off the floor it&#039;s 114.  Amazingly, the numbers are even better (only 82 poss) when Tyson is OFF the floor and Shump is ON -- 89 points/100poss given up on D.

Unfortunately he has a similar effect on the offense. 

I really think that either Cope or JR should be starting at the 3 and Kidd needs to go to the bench.  Let him bring some order to the 2nd unit for 15 min/game -- limit the damage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Shump&#8217;s effect on the D &#8212; arbitrarily looking at February alone, when he&#8217;s in the game our defensive efficiency is 97.8 points/100 poss which is really really good.  When he&#8217;s off the floor it&#8217;s 114.  Amazingly, the numbers are even better (only 82 poss) when Tyson is OFF the floor and Shump is ON &#8212; 89 points/100poss given up on D.</p>
<p>Unfortunately he has a similar effect on the offense. </p>
<p>I really think that either Cope or JR should be starting at the 3 and Kidd needs to go to the bench.  Let him bring some order to the 2nd unit for 15 min/game &#8212; limit the damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-420829&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420829&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ruruland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Yes, the Knicks will go 13-18 the rest of the season.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Look at the schedule; it could happen.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-420829" rel="nofollow">ruruland</a></strong>: Yes, the Knicks will go 13-18 the rest of the season.</p>
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<p>Look at the schedule; it could happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420844</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kidd really needs to be benched at this point.  He&#039;s shooting 19% from the floor in 24 minutes/game in February. He&#039;s not even averaging &lt;i&gt;four&lt;/i&gt; points per 36 during that time.  I know he&#039;s not out there for scoring necessarily, but in February we are nearly 7 points per 100 poss WORSE on offense with him on the floor. Our starting lineup of Felton/Kidd/Shump/Melo/Tyson is scoring 88 points per 100 poss in February.  This is not acceptable.  Since Shump is not scoring well either (UNDERSTATEMENT!!) and Felton has never been particularly efficient, it&#039;s like we&#039;re playing 2 on 5 on offense.

Move Kidd to the bench. Move Shump to the 2. Put Cope in the starting lineup.  Or freaking put JR in the starting lineup.

I try not to overreact to losses, but everyone knew this was a measuring stick game. And boy did we get measured. I don&#039;t mind losing to Indy on the road, but I do mind this team looking like  D-League team. And like ruru said, I don&#039;t think this was an effort loss. This was just an ass-kicking.

Overall our guards are really a problem.  It&#039;s literally like they all forgot how to shoot at once.  And since they still can&#039;t guard anyone... shooting and guarding are basically like the whole game, aren&#039;t they?

I will take one - just one - positive from this game. I sorta feel like Shump is rounding into form a little bit on the defensive end. He still looks like he&#039;s afraid of the ball on offense, but other than losing George on a baseline cut on one play, I thought he played well defensively.  baby steps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kidd really needs to be benched at this point.  He&#8217;s shooting 19% from the floor in 24 minutes/game in February. He&#8217;s not even averaging <i>four</i> points per 36 during that time.  I know he&#8217;s not out there for scoring necessarily, but in February we are nearly 7 points per 100 poss WORSE on offense with him on the floor. Our starting lineup of Felton/Kidd/Shump/Melo/Tyson is scoring 88 points per 100 poss in February.  This is not acceptable.  Since Shump is not scoring well either (UNDERSTATEMENT!!) and Felton has never been particularly efficient, it&#8217;s like we&#8217;re playing 2 on 5 on offense.</p>
<p>Move Kidd to the bench. Move Shump to the 2. Put Cope in the starting lineup.  Or freaking put JR in the starting lineup.</p>
<p>I try not to overreact to losses, but everyone knew this was a measuring stick game. And boy did we get measured. I don&#8217;t mind losing to Indy on the road, but I do mind this team looking like  D-League team. And like ruru said, I don&#8217;t think this was an effort loss. This was just an ass-kicking.</p>
<p>Overall our guards are really a problem.  It&#8217;s literally like they all forgot how to shoot at once.  And since they still can&#8217;t guard anyone&#8230; shooting and guarding are basically like the whole game, aren&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>I will take one &#8211; just one &#8211; positive from this game. I sorta feel like Shump is rounding into form a little bit on the defensive end. He still looks like he&#8217;s afraid of the ball on offense, but other than losing George on a baseline cut on one play, I thought he played well defensively.  baby steps.</p>
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		<title>By: The Honorable Cock Jowles</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420842</link>
		<dc:creator>The Honorable Cock Jowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-420824&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420824&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BigBlueAL&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Does it speak poorly of me that I had to look up the definition of anhedonic??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not at all. I learned it deep into my (now) favorite novel, &lt;i&gt;Infinite Jest&lt;/i&gt; back in September or so. An easy word to miss in regular usage...]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-420824" rel="nofollow">BigBlueAL</a></strong>: Does it speak poorly of me that I had to look up the definition of anhedonic??</p></blockquote>
<p>Not at all. I learned it deep into my (now) favorite novel, <i>Infinite Jest</i> back in September or so. An easy word to miss in regular usage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Juany8</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/pacers-125-knicks-91/#comment-420839</link>
		<dc:creator>Juany8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-420837&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420837&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brian&#032;Cronin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
The best thing about the Houston trade is that Phoenix ended up with Morris without giving up a player, so they have too many players. O’Neal might just get cut! You better believe that the Knicks would be all over that, right? The only problem would be other teams below the Knicks in the standings making a claim on him first.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Knowing Morey that&#039;s probably something he considered when making the trade lol. Jermaine O&#039;Neal on either the Rockets for the stretch run makes a lot of sense, especially since I&#039;m hearing rumors the Thomas Robinson trade was a precursor for something else, which is good because I haven&#039;t seen anything about Thomas that makes me think he&#039;s going to be better than Carl Landry a few years back]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-420837" rel="nofollow">Brian&#032;Cronin</a></strong>:<br />
The best thing about the Houston trade is that Phoenix ended up with Morris without giving up a player, so they have too many players. O’Neal might just get cut! You better believe that the Knicks would be all over that, right? The only problem would be other teams below the Knicks in the standings making a claim on him first.</p>
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<p>Knowing Morey that&#8217;s probably something he considered when making the trade lol. Jermaine O&#8217;Neal on either the Rockets for the stretch run makes a lot of sense, especially since I&#8217;m hearing rumors the Thomas Robinson trade was a precursor for something else, which is good because I haven&#8217;t seen anything about Thomas that makes me think he&#8217;s going to be better than Carl Landry a few years back</p>
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		<title>By: Juany8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juany8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know what team gives me a little hope for these Knicks? The 2010 Celtics team that started off hot, then just dropped off the face of the earth and ended up as a 4th seed. They had injury issues all year, they were old and creaky, they were losing to terrible teams at home.... It looked laughable. They got into the playoffs and pretty much nobody was discussing them as a threat, despite the fact that they had managed to get into the post season healthy. Next thing you know, they&#039;re beating the vastly overrated 60+ win teams of Orlando and Cleveland, before losing in game 7 of the Finals to a team with the 3rd best point differential in the Western Conference. 

I know that this actual Knicks team hasn&#039;t won anything, but all of the players on it have either won a championship or have seriously contended for one (except the rookies). Even when the Knicks were winning, Tyson Chandler has played intense defense so sporadically that it&#039;s exciting when he goes back to his DPOY level of last year. All the nice rotation players that made the Knicks bench early in the season (Brewer, Sheed, Thomas, Kidd, Prigs) are either injured, out of the rotation, or only in the rotation because there aren&#039;t enough bodies on to put on the floor. 

I don&#039;t see them as the clearcut second best team in the east anymore, but I still think they&#039;re at least even money with anyone but Miami and a properly healthy Chicago (which I don&#039;t think we&#039;ll see) Indiana has had terrible stretches like the Knicks too, it&#039;s just theirs didn&#039;t happen recently and thus doesn&#039;t seem to matter to people for some reason. In fact, I&#039;ll have to search for the article but I know I&#039;ve read a statistical piece that made a strong case that it was a team&#039;s early season work that was most predictive of post season success. It makes sense when you think about it, early in the season everyone is fresh and healthy, they&#039;re excited about getting up for each game, their opponents aren&#039;t tanking yet...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what team gives me a little hope for these Knicks? The 2010 Celtics team that started off hot, then just dropped off the face of the earth and ended up as a 4th seed. They had injury issues all year, they were old and creaky, they were losing to terrible teams at home&#8230;. It looked laughable. They got into the playoffs and pretty much nobody was discussing them as a threat, despite the fact that they had managed to get into the post season healthy. Next thing you know, they&#8217;re beating the vastly overrated 60+ win teams of Orlando and Cleveland, before losing in game 7 of the Finals to a team with the 3rd best point differential in the Western Conference. </p>
<p>I know that this actual Knicks team hasn&#8217;t won anything, but all of the players on it have either won a championship or have seriously contended for one (except the rookies). Even when the Knicks were winning, Tyson Chandler has played intense defense so sporadically that it&#8217;s exciting when he goes back to his DPOY level of last year. All the nice rotation players that made the Knicks bench early in the season (Brewer, Sheed, Thomas, Kidd, Prigs) are either injured, out of the rotation, or only in the rotation because there aren&#8217;t enough bodies on to put on the floor. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see them as the clearcut second best team in the east anymore, but I still think they&#8217;re at least even money with anyone but Miami and a properly healthy Chicago (which I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ll see) Indiana has had terrible stretches like the Knicks too, it&#8217;s just theirs didn&#8217;t happen recently and thus doesn&#8217;t seem to matter to people for some reason. In fact, I&#8217;ll have to search for the article but I know I&#8217;ve read a statistical piece that made a strong case that it was a team&#8217;s early season work that was most predictive of post season success. It makes sense when you think about it, early in the season everyone is fresh and healthy, they&#8217;re excited about getting up for each game, their opponents aren&#8217;t tanking yet&#8230;</p>
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