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Wednesday, October 22, 2014

Pacers 117 STOP Knicks 89 STOP

Editor’s Note: Our humble correspondent originally planned on filing a game recap in the traditional manner, i.e. on the internet and mildly under the influence. However, the technological infrastructure of Indiana made this impossible: The state is run by a cadre of Amish warlords, and most residents believe technology of any kind — cars, televisions, most hand tools — to be Satan reincarnate. Thus, this recap was filed by rather strange means: a barely functioning Siemens telex telegraph machine located in a Bankers Life Field House utility closet, a rotting wood hulk covered in dust and cobwebs, with heavily-used keys glossed over by a thick film of whiskey and Cracker Jack residue.

New York Knicks 89 Final
Recap | Box Score
117 Indiana Pacers
Carmelo Anthony, SF

31 MIN | 8-17 FG | 9-9 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 28 PTS | -16

Stormed out of gate like rutted bull in stop sign factory STOP Quite literally couldnt miss STOP Oh no he missed STOP Missed again STOP Again STOP Again STOP Again STOP Now tired STOP You would be too if pack mule for bunch of clowns STOP One day he will shoot turnaround and explode into blood vapor cloud STOP Also lost Ian Mahimni twice which seems close to impossible STOP After turnover looked at Ray as if ran over Melos dog with lawnmower STOP If I were him would consider finishing career in Siberian prison league STOP Has to be better than this STOP

Tyson Chandler, C

26 MIN | 4-8 FG | 5-8 FT | 9 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 13 PTS | -15

Must have contracted Spanish Flu STOP May actually have only one lung STOP Or no lungs and just breathing through skin or elaborate gills STOP Almost left game due to complications from said illness STOP When in somewhat ineffective against Indy rim attack STOP Looked better as game wore on but out of hand by then STOP Has been in league for 14 years and runs like totem pole STOP Can we really be surprised might be breaking down STOP Did convert some opportunities on offense rebounded at good rate STOP That last line might be happiest thing I transcribe tonight STOP Does anyone know if Amish sell moonshine STOP Or varnish STOP

Raymond Felton, PG

29 MIN | 5-10 FG | 1-1 FT | 4 REB | 5 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 12 PTS | -19

Came ill prepared STOP Ran offense as if dribbling canon ball STOP Went from capable marshalling to dereliction of duty in split second STOP Shooting form supposed to be hand in cookie jar not hand in wheat thresher STOP Spent more energy flailing arms at ref than navigating picks STOP Last seen yelling at tarmac controllers because he missed plane STOP At certain point no one cares you grew up dribbling on dirt court STOP

Iman Shumpert, SG

20 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -10

Why wasnt on George more frequently STOP Was afterthought on defense STOP Continues to dribble like car dealership flapping balloon men STOP What is his future on team STOP Seems like only effective after hot start STOP On night when Lance when HAM looked resigned to middling irrelevance STOP Could be nature of team construction STOP Pretty sure this telegram paper made out of corn husks STOP

Andrea Bargnani, PF

32 MIN | 3-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -23

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Kenyon Martin, PF

7 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -6

Presence crucial in giving Hibbert et al actual weight to bench press STOP Only managed seven minutes before ankle injury STOP So much for bench pressing STOP I could probably bench press Chandler STOP Kenyon is tough walked off on own power STOP Which hed do if shot in face with anti aircraft device STOP

Jeremy Tyler, PF

7 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | -6

Honestly thought was James White for second STOP I know garbage time but still looks like he belongs STOP If Chandler continues coughing organs and Kenyon disintegrates what other options are there STOP Play the guy more see what he has STOP Whats worst could happen STOP He gets injured too STOP Dont be a smartass Western Union Machine STOP

Amar’e Stoudemire, PF

14 MIN | 3-6 FG | 2-4 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 8 PTS | -12

Came out loose and focused STOP At least on offense STOP On defense doesnt know where he is STOP Landed awkwardly on leg STOP Thought it exploded STOP Turned out to be ankle STOP Walked off on own power STOP Why God STOP Is this because he read Torah backwards to forwards like normal books STOP This is why people hate Old Testament God STOP So spiteful STOP So angry STOP Feel better STAT STOP

Beno Udrih, PG

16 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -10

Might as well hang raw meat on strings over his shoulders STOP No chance at all against this team STOP Not fair at all to Beno STOP Seriously wasnt playing with Bostjan Nachbar in Olympics bad enough STOP

Toure’ Murry, SG

3 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +1

Hundred percent JR has Murry carrying his stash in Barbie backpack STOP

Tim Hardaway Jr., SG

21 MIN | 2-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -6

Totally over his head STOP Fast developing conscience of Viking berserker STOP Tried guarding Lance Stephenson disappeared in the muscle and felony fog STOP Weighs more than exactly one Pacer Ben Hansbrough STOP Wait not on team anymore STOP Landed awkwardly on left wrist what the holy fuck STOP Seriously though these injuries STOP Are we entirely certain team didnt murder Haitian priestess STOP Dad wont let him hear end of it STOP

J.R. Smith, SG

28 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | -18

Nietzsche would not understand Knicks STOP Presumably transported Woodson to Indiana by rickshaw STOP Came out smooth confident if streaky STOP Lost man at other end myriad times STOP Literally walked to half court and handed ball to Stephenson for circus and 1 STOP Speaking of Stephenson cannot believe we passed him for Landry Fields Andy Rautins STOP Is this the fucking Twilight Zone STOP

Mike Woodson

Asked him about East is Big philosophy STOP Said he never said that STOP Claims said Yeast is Big STOP As in big component in pizza STOP Proceeded to explain so called pizza recipe STOP Featured five pounds of five different meats STOP Press conference got awkward so someone changed subject STOP Asked Woodson who he might start tomorrow STOP Said probably Melo STAT Chandler Tyler and Aldrich STOP Why we asked STOP Because West is small he said STOP

Five Things We Saw

  1. Knicks got off to hot start STOP Strategy to run a bit get quick shots before Indy defense set STOP Sounds good in theory totally different in practice STOP Why eight point lead evaporated like piss on sand dune STOP
  2. Problem was Knicks giving up too easy at other end STOP After relying on midrange jumpers Indy started driving and dumping it down low STOP Knicks had no answers STOP Hey maybe Tyson gave Hibbert the plague STOP Thats what season has come to STOP Wishing the plague upon others STOP
  3. Indy incredible and Lance Stephenson very good STOP But hope someone punches him in jaw and he has to pick up eyes off floor STOP I will laugh when that happens STOP Until then he can talk all trash he wants STOP We drafted Andy Rautins and Landry Fields ahead of him STOP What makes more insulting is it was in that exact order STOP Andy Rautins STOP Landry Fields STOP Back to back STOP If Madison Square Garden Burns to Ground Lance will piss on ashes STOP And rightly so STOP Although still assaulted girlfriend STOP But Indiana is seriously terrific STOP Dont just play defense move ball as well STOP Real chemistry there STOP Legitimate threat to beat the Heat STOP Fairly certain God hates us STOP
  4. Thought Bargs key to beating Pacers STOP What the fuck STOP What floor spacing STOP If Im Indiana I leave him open for jumpers all day STOP Didnt even come to that because offense totally unimaginative stagnant STOP Why STOP Should have binge watched Low Winter Sun STOP
  5. Clippers might score 200 points STOP Darren Collison 50 alone STOP Amish policeman behind me now STOP Very menacing STOP Appears to have cattle prod STOP Demanding I move or else STOP Wait cattle prod thought electricity was forbidafheyc763ooooooo STOP

53 comments on “Pacers 117 STOP Knicks 89 STOP

  1. coyle022

    But on a Knicks-related note, will this finally be time for Country Cole/Jeremy Tyler? Or will it be the return of Bargs-at-the-5-for-way-too-many-minutes ball?

  2. Owen

    You know, the Stay Melo campaign is pretty good. Hate to admit it, since I find JB Smoove a little annoying but they work, I chuckle every time….

  3. AvonBarksdale

    Coach Woody not only lacks basic understanding of how to utilize this squad he also fails to see any of the individual players weaknesses. Can someone tell me how bad Cole Aldrich is really, how bad could he be..he has fresh legs and seems to be capable of rebounding, throwing a hard foul or two…maybe a block a game…something…Can someone also tell me why Tyler should not have seen minutes earlier in this game, again considering the score/schedule/injuries…..i couldn’t take the pain of watching the last 3 minutes trying to assess anything..pacers played a beautiful game as a fan of the sport it was something to watch….wish we had any type of consistency besides getting injured.

  4. knickster

    Funny how the false idea that NY Fans are not patient and demand a “win now” mentality from the club is perpetuated. The crew calling the game talked about it like it’s true.

    If NY fans were like that, nobody would follow this miserable team anymore, after so many years of losing. If anything, we are TOO patient and TOO gullible, always hoping, always giving players the benefit of the doubt, always thinking that every turd Dolan overpays for is a hidden diamond.

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  6. Zanzibar

    Nice recap Jim but made me pine for Woodson to have pulled a Riley and telegraphed this after the game: I Resign STOP …but then Dolan would probably just have extended him a few years thinking he meant: I Re-sign STOP

    Woodson vs. Statistics Watch
    > Our most productive lineup this season has been Felton-Shumpert-Smith-Anthony-Bargnani. # of minutes played last night: ZERO. When we played Indy on Nov 20th, Felton was out but that lineup with Udrih in his place went +3 in 9 minutes.
    > Our second most productive lineup has been Felton-Shumpert-Anthony-Martin-Bargnani. # of minutes played last night: ONE. On Nov 20th, that lineup with Udrih in Felton’s place went +11 in 12 minutes.
    > Every single lineup last night with TC and AB together went minus. So predictable.

  7. RicanKnick

    It’s really depressing being a NY Knicks fan. Like D-Mar wrote, I’ve try to stop following them…Great recap, but I think Felton deserved a C-… 4 TO, just 5 as and 0 defense. In other matters, DO WE NEED BYNUM OR WHAT??? Tyson is not the shadow of what he was and he can’t stay 5 minutes healthy. I know this is nearly a “blasfemy” but if Isiah was running the team, he’d already signed Andrew Bynum and dare I say…Lamar Odom?? Lol…Thomas did a lot of dumb moves, but at least he tryed.

  8. Frank O.

    The obsession with Bargs here is bordering ridiculous.
    Our bigs aren’t doing great work, but our guards and small forward positions are atrocious. They cannot keep anyone in front of them.
    So, so long as this team’s guards and small forward continue to play this poorly, this team will fail. Felton and Shump, Udrih and Smith are so deeply flawed, so inconsistent, so overmatched, that the bigs really have no chance. It’s getting the point that we really need Melo to play small forward.
    Our perimeter defense is so porous, the bigs can only do so much.
    The Pacers are so much better it ridiculous. They have passed us by, and we’re tiny specs in the rear view.

  9. Jim Cavan Post author

    Frank, if this is about my post and grades, two things:

    1) C’moooooon, he’s a really easy target!

    2) I already said the Telex keys were super sticky.

  10. RicanKnick

    At least Bargs do a decent job playing post defense (see Howard, Bosh, etc.) Tyson looked like a biscuit against Indiana’s bigs. But I agree with the opinion about our atrocious guards..

  11. Crumple

    It’s very sad to watch the Knicks defend the pick and roll.

    It’s very sad to start to realize Shump will not become what Lance Stephenson has become.

    Tough game, against clearly superior opponent who we also do not match up well with.

    Hopefully we have a great 8 game home stand. Let’s go Knicks.

  12. Garson

    Was just listening to some Knicks talk on radio and they were chatting about lance stevenson always bringing it vs Knicks for passing on him during the 2010 draft for the great Landry Fields and Andy Rautins.

    The funny thing about that is , the man that passed on him is actually sitting in their front office as president of basketball operations!

  13. thenamestsam

    It definitely sucks that the Knicks passed on Lance for Fields and Rautins, but at the same time we should recognize that the Pacer’s player development staff has seemingly done more good work over the last 15 days than the Knicks have done in the last 15 years. It’s incredibly difficult to disentangle good drafting from good player development, but when you look at the strides that George, Hibbert, Stevenson, and even Granger a few years before that have made, the Pacers have shown an affinity for turning non-top picks into star level performers. The Knicks…have not. There’s certainly no way to say for sure, but I think it’s a bit presumptuous to assume that all the Knicks had to do was pick Lance and we’d have the same guy the Pacers have today. And that’s without even getting into how his development would have been affected by additional distractions in NY.

    Tonight kind of feels like a big game. It felt like we were on a real upward trajectory, but it could easily be 3 losses in a row now and back to 10 games under 500. Clippers have been playing alright since CP3 went down and have the extra day of rest, but hopefully the Knicks are a little fired up after that beat down.

  14. Donnie Walsh

    it’s a bit presumptuous to assume that all the Knicks had to do was pick Lance and we’d have the same guy the Pacers have today

    Is it presumptuous to assume that the Nuggets would have the same guy the Pacers have today?

  15. Frank O.

    Frank, if this is about my post and grades, two things:

    1) C’moooooon, he’s a really easy target!

    2) I already said the Telex keys were super sticky.

    Jim: This is decidedly not about you; your post was sheer excellence and your comments on Bargs were caveated.
    But the posters here seem pretty obsessed with Bargs and our big men overall.

    Our guards are a net -16.2 in scoring v. opposing guards. You can’t win that way period. The Pacers guards are a net +4.2.
    Our front court is a net +7.2 v. opposing bigs. We’re losing in the back court per 82games.com.
    Complaining about our bigs and Bargs is like a surgeon focusing on the hangnail on a patient whose ankle is snapped in half with a protruding bone.
    The fact is Felton has been a terrible point guard on a team whose offense is dependent on strong point guard play. Our SGs also have been inconsistent and wholly inadequate for our purposes. JR is having for him a career-worst year and Shump has regressed. And we are not letting younger players play enough in their stead. How is it that Felton can play so poorly, and Murry basically be nailed to the bench?

  16. Frank O.

    We can’t pick on Bargs? Guys, we got him to beat the Pacers

    But you can never beat the Pacers with the kind of back court play the Knicks get. No one guy will offset the absolutely sucky play of our guards. Melo was unconscious in the first, but our guards were so helpless and hapless, they were up by only one.

  17. Frank O.

    it’s a bit presumptuous to assume that all the Knicks had to do was pick Lance and we’d have the same guy the Pacers have today

    This is sadly very true: The Knicks have been terrible at developing talent.

  18. lavor postell

    Agreed Frank O. Bargnani seems like a very convenient scapegoat when the majority of blame lies elsewhere. Bargs obviously has a ton of flaws on both sides of the ball, but he has been far from the biggest problem on the team this year.

    Shumpert for whatever reason gets a pass because “Woodson hates him” and “messes with his head”. Not sure how considering he’s getting a pretty heavy minutes load and has ever since Woodson took over in 2012. Shump has a terrible handle and a limited ability to create for himself off the bounce, a lack of nous in finishing at the rim because of his inability to jump off one foot and is a solid man to man defender who in 3 years has shown no ability to understand the basics of pick and roll defense. He is a solid rotation player, but he looks completely confused out there and his lack of development outside of a better shooting stroke (maybe?) the past 3 years is disappointing.

    Felton is the worst starting point guard in the NBA when he isn’t playing alongside a heady veteran PG that can share ball handling and defensive duties with him. Felton next to Kidd or Prigs is an asset, but as the sole point guard he has demonstrated no ability to lead with his play or veteran savvy of any kind.

    JR is an idiot, though yesterday he played under control and in the 3rd quarter did a better job on George than Shump did all simply because he fought over screens. We’ve talked about JR ad nauseum and his streakiness and mental instability will always be his downfall. Hardaway Jr. is a nice rookie with some upside and great athletic ability who might be the only person on the team capable of producing easy transition baskets. Not a particularly great defender. It’s a complete joke Murry’s been nailed to the bench as our guards ahead of him continue to allow penetration at will.

    Woodson ultimately is responsible for the majority of this and needs to go. His stagnant offense and mindless rotations are sinking an…

  19. mase

    bos gets, lin, asik, th jr…
    hou gets felton, tyson, shump…
    nyk get rondo, gwallace

    works financially

  20. pablopilot

    Funny how the false idea that NY Fans are not patient and demand a “win now” mentality from the club is perpetuated. The crew calling the game talked about it like it’s true.

    The problem is, “win now” never works. In the salary cap era, it can’t work. The owners purposely set it up that way in the CBA so the big market teams wouldn’t dominate. The CBA works. The Knicks are fools — fools — to keep flailing against it.

    Shump has a terrible handle and a limited ability to create for himself off the bounce, a lack of nous in finishing at the rim because of his inability to jump off one foot and is a solid man to man defender who in 3 years has shown no ability to understand the basics of pick and roll defense. He is a solid rotation player, but he looks completely confused out there and his lack of development outside of a better shooting stroke (maybe?) the past 3 years is disappointing.

    Completely true. We want Shump to be good because the team sucks, becaue we have ignored building through the draft in favor of bringing in (sucky) “proven veterans.” He’s our only home-grown player, so we’re desperate to believe in him. But his game doesn’t warrant it.

    On the other hand:

    t’s a bit presumptuous to assume that all the Knicks had to do was pick Lance and we’d have the same guy the Pacers have today

    Shumpert might actually have improved by now to NBA-caliber on a more professionally managed team.

  21. DRed

    This team has plenty of problems. But the fact that our least productive player (Il Bargo Grande) is second on the team in minutes played is a pretty big one. Ray Felton couldn’t play a lick of defense last year either and we won 54 games. Playing a below average offensive big who is catastrophically bad at help defense just exacerbates the problems with our shitty back court

  22. mase

    we won 54 games because of lights out three point shooting from vets which proved not to work in the playoffs…

  23. DRed

    True story: our two best 3pt shooters played 143 minutes in the playoffs last year. JR Smith played 351.

  24. d-mar

    I may get too emotional about this stuff, but I really hope when we play the Pacers in March that someone knocks Lance Stephenson on his ass. I get that he’s having a great year and all, but that constant trash talking and prancing is really hard to take.

    And here’s a prediction – somewhere down the line in the playoffs, that crap is going to cost the Pacers and you’ll see Vogel ripping into him on the bench.

  25. DRed

    In the regular season we won by overcoming our mediocre D with a hail of 3 pointers. We did not lose to Indiana in the playoffs because that stopped working. We lost because instead of playing our good shooters (Prigs, Novak, and Cope) we played injured JR, zombified Jason Kidd, and KMart. We went away from what had worked, lost, and then apparently decided we lost because the thing we didn’t even try didn’t work. That leads directly to the Bargnani fiasco, “the East is big man” and us not using 2 PGs at once anymore.

  26. mase

    i still dont see the logic… I would point my finger at felton more than bargs… bargs can at least be a focal point of the offense for stretches… this team has a giant hole at pg position.

  27. Nick C.

    This team has plenty of problems. But the fact that our least productive player (Il Bargo Grande) is second on the team in minutes played is a pretty big one. Ray Felton couldn’t play a lick of defense last year either and we won 54 games. Playing a below average offensive big who is catastrophically bad at help defense just exacerbates the problems with our shitty back court

    Not just you D-Mar but I see a lot of people irked by Lance Stephenson and wonder how they felt about the self-congratulatory Nate when he was there or Sprewell tugging on the chest of his jersey and prancing like Smeagol getting the ring back. To me it seems like Spree was hugely popular among those who followed then, and Nate had more supporters than detractors.

  28. Hubert

    We went away from what had worked, lost, and then apparently decided we lost because the thing we didn’t even try didn’t work.

    That’s the worst part, isn’t it?

    It bears repeating:

    We lost because we wilfully abandoned what was successful. We went to something that failed miserably. And then we decided to spend the whole next season playing the style that failed instead of the style that was successful.

    It’s boggles the mind.

  29. Nick C.

    Because you just know that the thing that worked eventually wouldn’t work. You just know!

    The east is big man. They just decided they didn’t try hard enough on the “big” thing and doubled down. In all honesty Woodson comes off as not trusting without pre-existing cred. I can’t see him being comfortable running Prigioni out there for big minutes, much less gasp! Prigioni and Beno or Prigioni and a rookie, Murry. If you are not a past all star, AAU, CAA or offspring you don’t count in his eyes, Shump PT notwithstanding.

  30. JK47

    Guys, guys. Bargs stinks AND our guards stink. There’s PLENTY of blame to go around when you’re a 15-24 team.

    Carmelo Anthony leads the team in minutes. The next ranking players are:
    2. Andrea Bargnani
    3. Iman Shumpert
    4. JR Smith
    5. Ray Felton

    That is why the team is bad. There is a whole lotta suck in that 2-5 group.

  31. thenamestsam

    JK47 is right on the money. The list of players who have not been a significant disappointment this year, either because of health or because of productivity is currently:
    1. Melo
    2. THJ
    3. Amare
    4. KMart

    To me, that’s it. Everyone else has either played significantly worse than expected, or been hurt significantly more than expected. And yet somehow we’re still in good playoff shape. The east is bad, man.

  32. er

    So the starting line up has gotta be
    Felton
    shump
    Jr
    Melo
    Tyson

    Right????

    I mean the top 2 pfs are out. And Barg has to play back up C Right???

  33. lavor postell

    The thing that is really mind boggling is that our front office this summer clearly made it a priority to re-sign Prigs, sign Udrih and go after Murry so that we had the requisite depth to withstand injuries and play 2 pg lineups. The Bargnani trade was made to replace Copeland/Novak in the 5 out lineups we used towards the end of last season that blitzed everybody offensively and in which Melo put up beast numbers because of the lack of rim protection. Instead Woodson decided that he would never play 2 point guards at the same time despite having 4 available to use and that Bargnani would be thrust into the starting lineup which has been terrible in virtually every minute they have played together minus any time that Melo can get supernova hot like the first quarter yesterday.

    Bargnani is definitely a minus player when we play him next to Chandler, because Tyson’s presence clogs the paint and he replaces Bargnani as the primary pick and roll man. Bargs is much better playing next to Kmart because Martin is an excellent passer out of the high post which opposing defenses actually have to respect. This spaces the floor significantly better. Also defensively Martin is a great help defender and allows Bargnani to defend opposing centers which he’s actually pretty good at.

    Woodson at full strength should be starting Felton-Prigs-Shump-Melo-Chandler and then use Udrih/Murry (depending on the opponent)-JR-THJ-KMart-Amar’e/Bargs. It’s funny that he’s force feeding Bargnani minutes when we have sufficient big men when last year he only gave Copeland minutes when Chandler was a walking corpse and Martin was out at the end of the season. Unfortunately that starting lineup and rotation will never occur so long as Woodson is captaining the ship.

  34. ethsurken

    I’m going to post this again since no one seemed to respond:
    I don’t know if you guys have seen this before, but I found it interesting/insightful and fun to play around with. It’s advanced statistical plus/minus (at a very basic level +/- regressed using advanced stats), the methodology of which is outlined here, and I find it convincing. Some of the takeaways from the Knicks this season: JR and Bargnani have really hurt the team, soaking up a lot of minutes and playing very poorly. To a lesser extent, so have Felton, Hardaway, Udrih, and Stoudemire. Shumpert, Prigioni, and Martin have been around average, while Anthony and Chandler have been solidly above average. It should be noted that JR and Felton were significantly better last season, and Jason Kidd was pretty good as well.

    Bargnani inspires a lot of hate in me because, while he has some skills, he has been terrible in the past, present, and presumably for the foreseeable future. Not only that, but Woodson continues to misuse him, giving him too many minutes and using him in the wrong lineups. His existence makes Woodson less likely to play the Melo at the 4 lineups, which were so successful last year. And we gave up a first round pick to get him. Some people in the Knicks organization must think he is actually a good player. It’s all frustrating and a representation of what’s wrong with this organization. The Knicks would be better off if they simply released him.

  35. Owen

    Bargs is atrocious. I said it when before we traded for him – worst regular in the NBA over the last five years. I agree, the Knicks would be better if we hadn’t made that trade. He actively makes us much worse anytime he is on the floor.

    Liked the site. Will take a closer look.

  36. JK47

    The fact that the Knicks rank dead last in offensive FT/FGA and also defensive FT/FGA should tell you something is seriously wrong. That isn’t just “some guys aren’t playing well.” It reveals serious systemic flaws. The whole way the Knicks approach playing basketball is just wrong.

  37. lavor postell

    The fact that the Knicks rank dead last in offensive FT/FGA and also defensive FT/FGA should tell you something is seriously wrong. That isn’t just “some guys aren’t playing well.” It reveals serious systemic flaws. The whole way the Knicks approach playing basketball is just wrong.

    Agree with this 100%

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