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Thursday, October 23, 2014

Pacers 106, Knicks 99

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

 

Dylan Thomas’ drunken poetry seems especially apt tonight. It was an exciting, thrilling, maddeningly, beautiful, ugly, great, awful, amazing game — kind of a semi-perfect summary of the entire season, actually. There were some gobsmackingly stupid coaching moves (if you want to scream for Woody’s head for playing STAT/Kidd big minutes in the 2nd and keeping Earl in the game at the end, I’ll be right there busting a vocal chord with you) and some of Melo’s finest work. Shump made our hearts dance with glee. Watching Tyson gasp and wheeze around the court like the Mon-Stars had stolen his powers was a brutal sight to behold. J.R…. well, he was and will always be J.R. If he played his last game as a Knick, he went out true to himself (sadly) raging against the dying of the light and/or performing some of the absolutely stupidest acts on the basketball court this side of Jerome James (yeah. I went there). If you’re going to complain about the refs, I get that, but really I don’t think it made a difference. The better team won. And the block By Hibberjuwon on Melo with the Knicks up 2, 92-90 was a game-changer. You could feel the momentum swing, like a palpable, three-dimensional thing walking right over to the Indiana side.

There will be plenty of time for far more cogent analysis later, but after a night of screaming in both utter joy and abject despair, at times within seconds of one another, I don’t feel enraged. I don’t feel sad. I feel accepting of a thing that’s over (or dead, if you want to get overdramatic, as I’m oft want to do). So, for our last recap, I’m just going to run my bat-guano mad in-game notes unedited/verbatim.

Thank you all for being here for an amazing season. Let’s do it again next year, shall we?

 

FIRST QUARTER

What a huge difference George Hill makes.

Tyson looks like Old Yeller. It breaks my heart.

Melo transition D

i don’t like this. we are fouling and allowing them to waltz into the paint and get second chances… AGAIN.

Exactly the start the Knicks can’t afford. Pacers pushing the tempo early

First recorded Pablo Prigioni heat check

Melo defense early. Not rotating on George three, asleep on defense in transition at least twice

JASON KIDD WHAT NO WHYYYYY

Pacers: Zero turnovers in the first six minutes, Three in the next six minutes.ed 17-9 in those 6 minutes, outscored 18-12 after

AMAZING. Only down two

 

SECOND QUARTER

hate lineuo to start the 2nd w/kidd only pg. BUT COPE

Pretty sure Cope is waving double middle fingers at Woodson after every shot make.

JR falls asleep on reboudn. DEAR GOS

KMART PULLED THE CHAIR ON WEST

If Woodson thinks Cope blew a rotation, he’s gone. Doesn’t matter if he’s hit 2 of 3. JR can hand the ball to gold jerseys and stays.I can’t believe Woodson is sticking with Kidd and Stoidemire. Now with Melo? Ugh.

WHY IS JR IN THE COURT DUMB TURNOVER

AND NO PRIGS

Loss of composure. Dumb shots. Bad close to the 2nd. DEATH DEATH DEATH

As has occurred all season. SO stupidly horribly predictable. I don’t have enough cigs to last this game.

 

THIRD QUARTER

Fel missed runner. Tyson missed dunk. Melo v. The Worldd

JR’s agent is gonna have to invest in a Men In Black zapper.

/ crawling on hands and knees, drenched in blood, with last gasp, cries out…”Shuuuump…”

Best chance for the Knicks to grab a lead coming at the end of this quarter. Pacers going with their bench up one.

ZOne defense…why why why

ASHSUMSMMMMMMPPPPPPPSHUMP

SHUMP SAT ALONE IN A BOGGY MARSH TOTALLY MOTIONLESS EXCEPT FOR HIS HEART

we’re not scaremongering this is really happening happening

Take the money and run take the money and run take the money SHUMMMMMMMMMMMP we are, after all the time

 

FOURTH QUARTER

WHY SIT MELO WHY WHY

COPE FOR POPE

PICK AND COPELAND

Hibbertjuwon

Tyson getting shredded

Bad offense haven’t scored in 5 minutes

ARRLRLRLLRLLEARL FOR THREE

ROy blocks Melo at the rim. That was unrel a momentum changer. Maybe a game changer

Anthony turnovef b/c Chndler fells leep absolute killer.

Tyson completes his mission to destroy stephenson, but not in a good way.

Lance Stephenson’s rebounding in this series has been almost unbelievable.

OH SIT PABLO AND LEAVE JR ON GOOD MOVE SMART STUFF WOW
George Karl died by Andre Miller. Scott Brooks died by Kendrick Perkins. Woodson is about to die alongside JR Smith.

JR SMITH TYPING HIS SHOEE? ALMOST TURNOVER

JR dumb three. This is how we die. We die as ourselves

And of course J.R. finally, finally drives the lane. After I’d resigned to their death

Bullshit foul on Kmart/Hill’s drive. That’s ridiculous

IN this series, after all the hard fouls THAT Gets called. Gimme a break

Finally smallball w/Cope at center. Woody has eventually always made the right move as soon as it was too late to matter.

And then no fouling at the end. I …don’t get it. Even jon barry is flabbergasterd.

That’s right, Woody. Yell at the refs. That’s how you win.

And an offensive rebound off two missed free throws. Too perfect. Just poetic. Smile. Because it’s the only thing keeping you from crying

There is absolutely zero chance Woodson gets fired. His buddy’s the GM, and Dolan thinks he’s running a medieval guild.

 

And one final note from Kevin McElroy:

First, this was the best Knicks season in 14 years and probably the most talented Knicks team in longer than that.  Second, there is no such think as a good way to get eliminated; they all suck.  Third, we go into the  offseason with the ability to keep much of the core in tact.  Fourth, Iman fucking Shumpert!  Fifth, We weren’t beating Miami anyway.

I love this team, I loved this season, I mostly like the coach. Today was brutal; harsh realities await; a first round victory is a low bar.  We won the division.  We exorcised the Celtics.  We resurrected the Garden.  I loved it.  I hated it.  I wouldn’t trade it.

 

The End.

51 comments on “Pacers 106, Knicks 99

  1. Frank O.

    I thought the Knicks were a better match up with the Heat.
    Heat takes pacers in five.

  2. elikint

    Thanks Bob. A special season. The Knicks mattered for the first time in a long time and the leagues on notice that we will matter more. Glad to share it with this crew, who for me were never short on guts, played through all sorts of pain and logged major minutes at times because of each others injuries. And glad to share it with all of you too. Get em next time.

  3. maxwell_3g

    bottom line: our “big time” center was owned by the pacers center this series. going into this series, we had to assume that matchup would be a wash, but it was absolute domination and the difference in this series. of course, woodson’s absolute inability to adapt didn’t help. everyone should pay attention over this next week and a half as spoelstra has hibbert trying to defend the pick and roll out on the perimeter. I understand that we don’t have LeBron and bosh, but not once did we even try to draw hibbert out to the perimeter with cope at the 5. not once in 6 games, until the very end, when it was already over and hibbert was subbed out

  4. Clyde_10

    Let the off season begin..IMHO only Shump and Melo should be deemed untouchable. It was a good ride but I want more!

  5. massive

    First, great recap.

    Great season with a terrible ending. The refs’ calling that 6th foul on K-Mart is the greatest way to sum up the season’s officiating of Knicks’ games; pure and absolute bullshit. Still, I’ll remember this season as one of the greatest of my (young) life. And just like that, I no longer care about the NBA post-season. Miami will probably lose two more games for the rest of the post-season.

    It’s early, but I’ve been on the “Draft Shane Larkin” train since Trey Burke blew up. He’s a more athletic Ty Lawson, and we have to get our hands on him. Either him or Dennis Schroeder out of Germany. No good bigs available at 24, so we have to go guard. Those two are my guys. I also like CJ Leslie, a forward out of NC State. I’m certain we can get an impact player at #24 in this draft.

  6. smokinjoe

    I think the expectations on this team started with that 18-6 start..and we sustained em until that west coast stretch..then that Kurt Thomas game..and into Melos incredible scoring streak..so glad we beat the Celtics..not without a near heart attack in game 6..aw damn it wouldve been fun to go up against the Heat..wished we just would have got a couple more of those runs where all is eight with the world..balls movin..3s falling and feeling absolutely unstoppable. .playoffs are a different story..I hope we get to keep Cope..looking forward Shumps growth. .maybe even a decent with a couple good stretches from Amare..Melo hopefully will be Melo..Woodson is still pretty damn hard headed..Chandler, even if he was hurt..just looked lost the whole second half..JR..Woodys adopted f up son..will continue to entertain and break our heart..Prig may be gone..Kidd, unfortunately not..thanks for a crazy season Knicks..glad I got to share it with the knickerbloggers out there
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  7. kronicfatigue

    massive:
    The refs’ calling that 6th foul on K-Mart is the greatest way to sum up the season’s officiating of Knicks’ games; pure and absolute bullshit.

    I don’t mean to single you out, but complaining about that call while ignoring JR’s arm pulling a second before on the same drive pretty much sums up these boards the past couple of games.

    Going into ’14, how many teams are in a better position than the Kincks? 8? 10? 12? This was a team built to win NOW, and they didn’t. I don’t see how this season can be considered anything but a failure. Beating the corpse of the Celtics? Woodson is not an NBA coach, and you can’t even consider the Knicks having hope until he and Dolan are gone.

  8. Bison

    That’s odd, I had considered posting that exact same Dylan Thomas poem just before Game 5. The “old age” bit seemed appropriate.

  9. ruruland

    18/34, 17/30, 14/29, 10/20, 26/21, 25/23

    46/16, 33/18, 30/18, 18/18, 23/21, 23/23

    Over last four games, Pacers shot 76 more free throws than Knicks while committing 43 fewer fouls. I challenge anyone to find a four game playoff stretch w/that discrepancy

  10. gmoney_nz

    Hey Knickerblogger folk – thanks for providing the greatest option for insight into the games when I was at work this year in Christchurch, New Zealand. Its hard for us die hard International Knicks Fans to see games live unless its the weekend so you guys provide the insights to whats happening and the recaps of how it finished. Thanks, peace, and I hope you all have a quiet couple of days before we stir up the off season analysis and wonder what Shump’s ceiling is. Can we pick up someone in the first round and…..is Woody as good as he can get, if so do we want him running the cutter.

    cheers, thanks and talk soon

    Gareth Mitchell
    Christchurch
    New Zealand

  11. Spree8nyk8

    kronicfatigue: I don’t mean to single you out, but complaining about that call while ignoring JR’s arm pulling a second before on the same drive pretty much sums up these boards the past couple of games.

    He chose a poor example but to call this series officiating anything less than a travesty is ridiculous. Unless you really think that they are going to call the series against miami the exact same way. They are built very similarly and it’s going to be very interesting to see if the rules of verticality continue to be interpreted the same way. They called 34 fouls on us compared to 16. Do you really think that none of the non calls for indiana were comparable to fouls called on us? If so then I guess whatever. But I cannot stand the “don’t blame it on the refs” philosophy. Despite being hammered by these crazy ass refs we still had a lead in the fourth quarter, but at that point we reached the point where people were fouling out and that was that. Yes I agree 100% with you about Woodson, he’s god awful and I wish he’d get a DUI tonight or something that we could fire him for. Idk, I don’t wish harm on him but I want him gone more than I ever wanted MDA gone. This season got flushed down the toilet by a combination of the refs and woodson. And to ignore the refs because it’s the pc thing to do I will not.

  12. mr.JayP

    Woodson is not the coach for our future. To me, Woodson is that rebound chick after a tough break up. Pretty, somewhat smart, puts out. But u know u don’t want a long term relationshit. Gruns, Just look at what the Atl hawks did under him…exactly.

    IMO. If it wasnt for us holding on to Sheed
    (or Camby for that matter) for so long, we wouldn’t have ran down Ty so bad. And obviously the late adjustments.

    Next season.

    1-bring in a Van Gundy brother.
    2-bring in two serviceable bigs
    3-re-sign cope,prigs,jr, Kmart.
    4-Dominate.

  13. Spree8nyk8

    I wish when I were 12 someone would have been able to tell me that if you pick this team you are going to have long periods where they won’t be competitive surrounded by years of getting buttfucked by the league. Would have been nice to know what I was getting into.

  14. ruruland

    Spree8nyk8: He chose a poor example but to call this series officiating anything less than a travesty is ridiculous.Unless you really think that they are going to call the series against miami the exact same way.They are built very similarly and it’s going to be very interesting to see if the rules of verticality continue to be interpreted the same way.They called 34 fouls on us compared to 16.Do you really think that none of the non calls for indiana were comparable to fouls called on us?If so then I guess whatever.But I cannot stand the “don’t blame it on the refs” philosophy.Despite being hammered by these crazy ass refs we still had a lead in the fourth quarter, but at that point we reached the point where people were fouling out and that was that.Yes I agree 100% with you about Woodson, he’s god awful and I wish he’d get a DUI tonight or something that we could fire him for.Idk, I don’t wish harm on him but I want him gone more than I ever wanted MDA gone.This season got flushed down the toilet by a combination of the refs and woodson.And to ignore the refs because it’s the pc thing to do I will not.

    Again, Pacers averaged close to 20 more free throws a game over decisive final four of series, committing 11 fewer fouls.

  15. BigBlueAL

    Guys the refereeing was pretty bad, especially the past 2 games. But this Knicks team the entire season didnt get to the FT line on offense and fouled alot on defense. Look at their FTA/FGA, they were 21st on offense and 24th on defense.

    I would love to believe in NBA conspiracy theories but no reason whatsoever for the NBA to prefer a Pacers-Heat series instead of a Knicks-Heat series. All the whining and bitching the Knick players did during the regular season Im sure didnt help their reputations with the refs either especially the ones who are selected to do playoff games since they usually are the toughest, most annoying refs in the league.

  16. ruruland

    It’s not about NBA conspiracy. It’s about poor officiating.

    I don’t believe the officials gave the Pacers this incredible whistle because they wanted them to win.

  17. Spree8nyk8

    Oh i don’t think the league preferred indy, I just think people in general hate our players. Sports radio bashes them daily, we don’t have likeable people, and when you don’t have likeable people this kinda shit happens with nobody caring because the bottom line is deep down they like it when Melo or kmart or whoever get beaten. They despise these guys. And you know what it’ll never happen but honestly if we have no legitimate chance of ever winning with these guys then why not trade all of them? Just start the fuck over and be done with it. I mean maybe you can keep shumpert and copeland since they are cheap but more likely you have to say “take this asshole and you get this good guy free”. Nah, we won’t do it, we’ll run this team till the wheels fall off while we keep signing the Camby’s and the Feltons of this league to 3 and 4 year contracts and we’ll end up with another horrid period of non playoff basketball, I’d rather go straight back to that and rebuild and catch Lebron on the downside of his career or something. Next year these fucking guys are going to just be a year older. And what is the point of having a superstar that is never going to be treated like one? He’s never going to get the calls that Lebron or Kobe get but he’s always going to get hit the way they do. Waited for this team to get here for so long and we ran out of gas 40 miles from the finish line.

  18. ruruland

    This summer I plan on doing a project, through the use of Synergy, that proves Melo gets an unfavorable whistle.

    We can talk about paint attempts and rim attempts/free throw ratio, but you can really only make this work if you sequence it play by play by play.

  19. llcoolbp

    My fellow bloggers. Thanks for all your great posts and articles this season. I’m hurting right now on a personal level (my marriage), and I’m hurting about Knicks. I really mean it from the bottom of my heart, that reading this blog has kept me centered and happy on some level. I’m proud of our first significant season in over a decade. I really feel Woodson needs to go. Jeff van gundy would be my dream coach. A pissed off melo, who takes it to the next level is also what we need. Stay strong Knick fans. United we stand.

  20. er

    llcoolbp:
    My fellow bloggers. Thanks for all your great posts and articles this season. I’m hurting right now on a personal level (my marriage), and I’m hurting about Knicks. I really mean it from the bottom of my heart, that reading this blog has kept me centered and happy on some level. I’m proud of our first significant season in over a decade. I really feel Woodson needs to go. Jeff van gundy would be my dream coach. A pissed off melo, who takes it to the next level is also what we need. Stay strong Knick fans. United we stand.

    good luck man

  21. ruruland

    llcoolbp:
    My fellow bloggers. Thanks for all your great posts and articles this season. I’m hurting right now on a personal level (my marriage), and I’m hurting about Knicks. I really mean it from the bottom of my heart, that reading this blog has kept me centered and happy on some level. I’m proud of our first significant season in over a decade. I really feel Woodson needs to go. Jeff van gundy would be my dream coach. A pissed off melo, who takes it to the next level is also what we need. Stay strong Knick fans. United we stand.

    You were pleasant man, enjoyed it.

    JVG would be amazing in NY, and you can tell he’d love to come back.

  22. llcoolbp

    ruruland: You were pleasant man, enjoyed it.

    JVG would be amazing in NY, and you can tell he’d love to come back.

    Ruru it’s going to be a long and cold offseason (especially since the mets suck, except for when Harvey starts). I look forward to your statistical analysis this offseason.

  23. BigBlueAL

    llcoolbp:
    My fellow bloggers. Thanks for all your great posts and articles this season. I’m hurting right now on a personal level (my marriage), and I’m hurting about Knicks. I really mean it from the bottom of my heart, that reading this blog has kept me centered and happy on some level. I’m proud of our first significant season in over a decade. I really feel Woodson needs to go. Jeff van gundy would be my dream coach. A pissed off melo, who takes it to the next level is also what we need. Stay strong Knick fans. United we stand.

    Sorry about your marriage problems. Sometimes its easy to forget that Im sure personal stuff influences some of the comments and frustrations on here.

    At least this season the Knicks mostly gave us a good distraction from the real world. Thankfully as I have mentioned before I also have the Yankees who always provide a great distraction from the real world lol.

  24. Tony Pena

    Hope it works out llcoolbp.
    Man, it hurts. I wish I could be coherent and objective right now… Good season, Knickerblogger made it more interesting. Let’s def do it again.

  25. massive

    @alanhahn: “@Johnjlax: @alanhahn Steven a. reported tyson never recovered from injury..loss of 12 lbs. Still outplayed but maybe a factor?” Definitely. an hour ago

    That is huge. Absolutely huge.

  26. BigBlueAL

    I hate the What If stuff but man if only JR didnt throw that stupid elbow in Game 3. Knicks sweep the Celtics, JR most like doesnt go into his funk, Melo doesnt get his shoulder injured in Game 5, Chandler doesnt have to take charge after charge in Game 6 (his only great game of these playoffs) and the Knicks get a full week off before the Pacers series along with their confidence being at an all-time high.

    Those last 3 games of the Celtics series I think really did alot to damage the confidence of this team and certainly helped add to the injury problems. What if, what if.

  27. AnonymousODG

    Spree8nyk8:
    we’ll run this team till the wheels fall off while we keep signing the Camby’s and the Feltons of this league to 3 and 4 year contracts and we’ll end up with another horrid period of non playoff basketball

    Dude. Felton played great these playoffs. He gave us two stinkers but was fantastic otherwise. He is a proven playoff PG that can score and the last person to blame our early playoffs demise on.

    Other than Shump’s full recovery from a torn ACL, he’s the best silver lining and bit of good news to be taken from this postseason.

  28. BigBlueAL

    massive:
    @alanhahn: “@Johnjlax: @alanhahn Steven a. reported tyson never recovered from injury..loss of 12 lbs. Still outplayed but maybe a factor?” Definitely. an hour ago

    That is huge. Absolutely huge.

    It was obvious to everyone watching Chandler was nowhere near being healthy and he got worse and worse as the playoffs went on. Doesnt excuse his what looked like complete lack of effort at times but seeing him barely being able to jump was tough to watch.

  29. hoyadestroya

    Thanks for all great recaps all this season. I have been following this blog for 2 seasons, and this is my first post here. Truly thanks all of you, you are all great Knicks fans, and thanks for this exciting Knicks season though it ended with bitter in mouth. I have been Knicks fan since my high school day from 94-95 season, and finally Knicks matter again. Agreed with some said above, this Knicks cannot beat Heats this playoff (especially coaching and mental toughness) Looking forward to next season and we will be a true champ contender.

  30. slovene knick

    Thanks for the great season guys…one positive thing in this loss:no more early waking up for me this year(insomnia look GONE).

    What can this team do to win it all next year?
    Was this year enough of a lesson for Wood(doubt) and the team(doubt), will they remember next year, was it strong enough, or does it take a trip to the ECF for a real lesson? And then the time is up for this team, right?

    What I fear the most is lack of smartness of this team and smartness of coaching in particular.The team’s got it all…all the peaces are there(when not injured of course). But damn are they not flexible in the way they play when matchups aren’t in favor. Learning process is too long for this team.

    Melo was the only one up to the challenge BTW.
    Shump and Cope give us hope for next year. Amar’e?

    Mental errors were huge in fourth q as they were all series….but Knicks would overcome it if Tyson-the man who wasn’t there would actually show up.

    Sad thing: the taunting on rec court will amp up again. Well my skin is thick and the Knicks are no push over any more!
    A good season!

  31. ephus

    Llcoolbp, I hope your journey gets easier.

    I have a JR Smith salary cap full piece ready to go. Wanted/needed to see end of playoffs for final chapter.

    Nothing but love for Melo tonight. He carried the team for 3 quarters and then punched himself out. That is Maximum Melo.

    Tyson Chandler should never play another minute if Olympic/World Cup hoops. He was never physically right this season. Somewhere, Mark Cuban is saying, “that’s why I let Chandler go AND that’s why USA basketball is no longer good for the NBA.” Not saying I agree, but hard to disagree.

    Shumpert’s ceiling is Sane Spreewell.

    Prigs can be a useful piece.

    You can draw a straight line from Felton’s hand injury to Kidd playing too many minutes during the winter to Kidd bonking in the Spring. I do not know if he can co tribute 10 min/game next year, but I a positive he cannot contribute 15 min/game.

    I don’t know if Stat can get healthy. Knicks could use someone with his skill set.

    Don’t know what to say about Woodson. Still processing.

  32. Frank O.

    ruruland:
    18/34, 17/30, 14/29, 10/20, 26/21, 25/23

    46/16, 33/18, 30/18, 18/18, 23/21, 23/23

    Over last four games, Pacers shot 76 more free throws than Knicks while committing 43 fewer fouls. I challenge anyone to find a four game playoff stretch w/that discrepancy

    I have to agree. The disparity was huge. But I think at least a part of this is the Pacers are a far more disciplined defensive team than the Knicks. Better coached.
    We took some dumb fouls. Silly shoving people to the ground early in the game. A lot of wasted fouls early, getting into the penalty early doesn’t help.
    But the disparity was so huge, discipline cannot be the sole reason.

  33. chrisk06811

    the team that gives jr more than 2 yrs is screwed. between the tying of the shoes and the lazy chase of the long rebound where he gkt out hustled…ugh. hell of an athlete but his late season hot streak was all based on effort, focus an d intensity. a full yr with kidd, priggs, thomas and sheed and he still could not help but lose focus when it mattered. he is the poster child for a one yr contract.

    this was not all his fault.

    LL..best wishes to you sir…i have been there.

    everyone here….thank you for being a part of my day all year.

  34. Brian Cronin

    It was obvious to everyone watching Chandler was nowhere near being healthy and he got worse and worse as the playoffs went on. Doesnt excuse his what looked like complete lack of effort at times but seeing him barely being able to jump was tough to watch.

    It was totally like A-Rod in last year’s playoffs. Guy playing like a shell of his former self, but everyone involved insisting that he was not hurt. To what end? What was the point in both cases of insisting that the guy was healthy when he was clearly not?

  35. Spree8nyk8

    AnonymousODG: Dude.Felton played great these playoffs.He gave us two stinkers but was fantastic otherwise.He is a proven playoff PG that can score and the last person to blame our early playoffs demise on.

    Other than Shump’s full recovery from a torn ACL, he’s the best silver lining and bit of good news to be taken from this postseason.

    1) Felton is not a “proven playoff PG” he’s played 4 playoff games other than what he played this season.

    2) I didn’t object to them bringing him here this year, but why did they have to sign him for so many friggin years? 2 year contract, that’s all we needed to do.

    3) This was more to do with giving Camby/kidd/thomas multiyear deals than it was about Felton. The point being we over committed to players that weren’t getting offers from anyone else. It was stupid to do and we are locked into those deals. Maybe someday the NBA will stop the guaranteed deals, then at least you wouldn’t constantly have teams hamstrung by players who were worth the money on the day they signed but not worth it now. I wish they would adopt an NFL type structure. Just think about how much better off this team would be if they could just cut Amar’e, and a few others but jesus man, maybe we knew that Amar’e was gonna be a risky sign, but I don’t think many people thought it would be quite this bad. Either way they had no business giving Felton or any of those other guys all those years.

    4) I still would have rather had Lin.

  36. maxwell_3g

    llcoolbp:
    My fellow bloggers. Thanks for all your great posts and articles this season. I’m hurting right now on a personal level (my marriage), and I’m hurting about Knicks. I really mean it from the bottom of my heart, that reading this blog has kept me centered and happy on some level. I’m proud of our first significant season in over a decade. I really feel Woodson needs to go. Jeff van gundy would be my dream coach. A pissed off melo, who takes it to the next level is also what we need. Stay strong Knick fans. United we stand.

    good luck bro. it has been fun. I will say that there is a little pride and glory in sticking by your team year after year in a sport when so many others jump from bandwagon to bandwagon. that’s what I tell myself anyways

  37. maxwell_3g

    Spree8nyk8: 1) Felton is not a “proven playoff PG” he’s played 4 playoff games other than what he played this season.

    2) I didn’t object to them bringing him here this year, but why did they have to sign him for so many friggin years?2 year contract, that’s all we needed to do.

    3) This was more to do with giving Camby/kidd/thomas multiyear deals than it was about Felton.The point being we over committed to players that weren’t getting offers from anyone else.It was stupid to do and we are locked into those deals.Maybe someday the NBA will stop the guaranteed deals, then at least you wouldn’t constantly have teams hamstrung by players who were worth the money on the day they signed but not worth it now.I wish they would adopt an NFL type structure.Just think about how much better off this team would be if they could just cut Amar’e, and a few others but jesus man, maybe we knew that Amar’e was gonna be a risky sign, but I don’t think many people thought it would be quite this bad.Either way they had no business giving Felton or any of those other guys all those years.

    4) I still would have rather had Lin.

    can we please stop worrying if players are “a proven playoff ______”. that is the dumbest way to analyze a player (no personal attack intended spree). this analysis is straight out of woodson’s book and is his reasoning for not playing cope until game 5. this is a sport called basketball. it doesn’t become football or hockey or badminton in the postseason. it is still basketball. cope can play basketball and should have been playing. felton can play basketball and actually played well in the playoffs. felton is not the greatest pg in the world, but I would say that he is probably the 12-16th best starter in the NBA. paying a guy like that 3 mill a year is the least of our problems.
    to hate long term deal and to want lin…

  38. yellowboy90

    people worried about bringing jr back but it will be hard to get Copeland at his asking price. I know you have to put out a high number but 5 million is not in the Knicks capabilities.

    Also, regarding Tyson, I think back to the summer and he was having trouble in the Olympics defending and getting playing time. Then not going to Hakeem and now pointing fingers at everyone else. Terrible year for Chandler

  39. Z-man

    The biggest question for me next season is: will Amare be the highest-paid bench warmer in NBA history?

  40. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland:
    This summer I plan on doing a project, through the use of Synergy, that proves Melo gets an unfavorable whistle.

    We can talk about paint attempts and rim attempts/free throw ratio, but you can really only make this work if you sequence it play by play by play.

    lol, that’s so you… going into a research to prove that you’re right, instead of researching, then analyzing the data and finding out what really happens.

    pathetic, like this team’s coach.

    I love what Melo did on the first three quarters, loved Shumpert, and that’s all.

    for me, nobody else is untouchable, especially Kidd, Felton and J.R, those three could be out of town tomorrow and I would feel nothing but joy.

  41. Brian Cronin

    The biggest question for me next season is: will Amare be the highest-paid bench warmer in NBA history?

    It is kind of weird how “Amar’e the starter” now doesn’t even seem to be in the realm of possibility. While that has a lot to do with Melo thriving at the 4 more than anything else, it is still quite annoying, as even if it is the correct move (and I think it is the correct move) it means, as you note, you’re paying a guy $18 million to come off the bench. Blech.

  42. AnonymousODG

    Spree8nyk8: 1) Felton is not a “proven playoff PG” he’s played 4 playoff games other than what he played this season.

    2) I didn’t object to them bringing him here this year, but why did they have to sign him for so many friggin years?2 year contract, that’s all we needed to do.

    3) This was more to do with giving Camby/kidd/thomas multiyear deals than it was about Felton.The point being we over committed to players that weren’t getting offers from anyone else.It was stupid to do and we are locked into those deals.Maybe someday the NBA will stop the guaranteed deals, then at least you wouldn’t constantly have teams hamstrung by players who were worth the money on the day they signed but not worth it now.I wish they would adopt an NFL type structure.Just think about how much better off this team would be if they could just cut Amar’e, and a few others but jesus man, maybe we knew that Amar’e was gonna be a risky sign, but I don’t think many people thought it would be quite this bad.Either way they had no business giving Felton or any of those other guys all those years.

    4) I still would have rather had Lin.

    1) Felton plays well in 10 out of 12 playoff games and he hasn’t proven himself? And Felton actually played 9 other playoff games before this season.

    2) We got him for a fair price. $3.5 million/year for 3 more years. We can easily trade that contract on it’s own merits to a PG-starved team, let alone as part of a package deal if you want to get rid of him so badly. You seriously would rather have Lin at $8 mil/yr for 2 more years and give us absolutely no flexibility this offseason????

    3) Felton’s contract is the least of our concerns. And his consistent play was the least of our playoff problems. Don’t make the misstep of lumping Felton in with Camby and Thomas.

    4) BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

  43. kronicfatigue

    Spree8nyk8:

    3) This was more to do with giving Camby/kidd/thomas multiyear deals than it was about Felton.The point being we over committed to players that weren’t getting offers from anyone else.It was stupid to do and we are locked into those deals.Maybe someday the NBA will stop the guaranteed deals, then at least you wouldn’t constantly have teams hamstrung by players who were worth the money on the day they signed but not worth it now.I wish they would adopt an NFL type structure.Just think about how much better off this team would be if they could just cut Amar’e, and a few others but jesus man, maybe we knew that Amar’e was gonna be a risky sign, but I don’t think many people thought it would be quite this bad.Either way they had no business giving Felton or any of those other guys all those years.

    So we should sign players to contracts, and if they greatly exceed their value, they’re locked into that contract, but if they underachieve they can be cut w/o pay. Why even have contracts at all at that point? Why even pay them? Can’t we just make them indentured servants and be done with it?

    NBA players (who already make a pittance compared to the money THEY, not the owners, generate) shouldn’t be asked to get screwed further just b/c Dolan doesn’t know how to run a team. Many teams succeed then rebuild then succeed again because they know how to manage the salary cap and don’t sign terrible contracts.

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