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		<title>By: formido</title>
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		<dc:creator>formido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tl;dr

&quot;Making rules and reffing and stuff is hard, let&#039;s go shopping!&quot;]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Making rules and reffing and stuff is hard, let&#8217;s go shopping!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Crockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Crockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-404515&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-404515&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: The NBAPA would have a field day with this.

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Billy Hunter has already said he&#039;s not having this. I&#039;m scratching my head about the NBA manufacturing a fight with the PA.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-404515" rel="nofollow">The&#32;Honorable&#32;Cock&#32;Jowles</a></strong>: The NBAPA would have a field day with this.</p>
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<p>Billy Hunter has already said he&#8217;s not having this. I&#8217;m scratching my head about the NBA manufacturing a fight with the PA.</p>
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		<title>By: David Crockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Crockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-404502&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jon&#032;abbey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
one thing the NBA is great at is ceasing to enforce dumb rules once it becomes clear they’re dumb. remember two years ago when they started calling Ts for hanging on the rim? those calls were nonexistent last year, and rightfully so. 


so if this doesn’t work, I don’t think it’ll be a problem, but I’m glad they’re at least trying something, as less flopping can only be a good thing.


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To its credit the league also backed down after the composite ball mini-fiasco from a few seasons ago. 

What I didn&#039;t get into, for lack of time, is that the fine structure really was a shot across the bow directed at the NBAPA. That just seems unwise to me.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-404502" rel="nofollow">jon&#32;abbey</a></strong>:<br />
one thing the NBA is great at is ceasing to enforce dumb rules once it becomes clear they’re dumb. remember two years ago when they started calling Ts for hanging on the rim? those calls were nonexistent last year, and rightfully so. </p>
<p>so if this doesn’t work, I don’t think it’ll be a problem, but I’m glad they’re at least trying something, as less flopping can only be a good thing.</p>
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<p>To its credit the league also backed down after the composite ball mini-fiasco from a few seasons ago. </p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t get into, for lack of time, is that the fine structure really was a shot across the bow directed at the NBAPA. That just seems unwise to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Lebron flop against Chandler is a perfect example. Yes, that is a blatant flop and yet I guarantee that&#039;s not going to be called as a flop. This is just going to be used the way David fears - to punish players that the league has already decided are &quot;floppers.&quot; Guys like Manu. I just don&#039;t think flopping is nearly as big of an issue as they&#039;re making it out to be - just have the referees be more observant. Flops are called less during the playoffs because refs decide not to call them as much. If flopping is such a problem, just tell the refs to call &#039;em like they do in the playoffs.

I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with Derrick Rose milking contact to make sure he gets a foul call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lebron flop against Chandler is a perfect example. Yes, that is a blatant flop and yet I guarantee that&#8217;s not going to be called as a flop. This is just going to be used the way David fears &#8211; to punish players that the league has already decided are &#8220;floppers.&#8221; Guys like Manu. I just don&#8217;t think flopping is nearly as big of an issue as they&#8217;re making it out to be &#8211; just have the referees be more observant. Flops are called less during the playoffs because refs decide not to call them as much. If flopping is such a problem, just tell the refs to call &#8216;em like they do in the playoffs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with Derrick Rose milking contact to make sure he gets a foul call.</p>
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		<title>By: The Honorable Cock Jowles</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Honorable Cock Jowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-404514&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flossy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Yeah I forget who said it (maybe Simmons, ugh) but I do think that the league should try to make the review process quicker–not instant, but fast enough that a fine for a flop in the 2nd quarter could be announced during a timeout or something.Players are prideful, and it would burn to have the PA guy and TV commentators announce that “so-and-so has been fined $1,000 by the NBA for flopping with 9:14 left in the 2nd quarter” or what have you.


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The NBAPA would have a field day with this.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-404514" rel="nofollow">flossy</a></strong>: Yeah I forget who said it (maybe Simmons, ugh) but I do think that the league should try to make the review process quicker–not instant, but fast enough that a fine for a flop in the 2nd quarter could be announced during a timeout or something.Players are prideful, and it would burn to have the PA guy and TV commentators announce that “so-and-so has been fined $1,000 by the NBA for flopping with 9:14 left in the 2nd quarter” or what have you.</p>
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<p>The NBAPA would have a field day with this.</p>
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		<title>By: flossy</title>
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		<dc:creator>flossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 14:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-404508&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Juany&#056;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Lol it’s ironic that Miami’s defense would suffer by far the most if this was allowed. Pretty much their entire starting lineup flops nonstop at the slightest contact. I’ve heard someone say, the incentive to stop won’t come from the fines or fouls, it’ll come from the shame of being officially called a flopper for all the league to see. A lot of these guys are very proud lol, although I could see someone like Ginobli or Scola not caring lol

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Yeah I forget who said it (maybe Simmons, ugh) but I do think that the league should try to make the review process quicker--not instant, but fast enough that a fine for a flop in the 2nd quarter could be announced during a timeout or something.  Players are prideful, and it would burn to have the PA guy and TV commentators announce that &quot;so-and-so has been fined $1,000 by the NBA for flopping with 9:14 left in the 2nd quarter&quot; or what have you.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-404508" rel="nofollow">Juany&#056;</a></strong>: Lol it’s ironic that Miami’s defense would suffer by far the most if this was allowed. Pretty much their entire starting lineup flops nonstop at the slightest contact. I’ve heard someone say, the incentive to stop won’t come from the fines or fouls, it’ll come from the shame of being officially called a flopper for all the league to see. A lot of these guys are very proud lol, although I could see someone like Ginobli or Scola not caring lol</p>
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<p>Yeah I forget who said it (maybe Simmons, ugh) but I do think that the league should try to make the review process quicker&#8211;not instant, but fast enough that a fine for a flop in the 2nd quarter could be announced during a timeout or something.  Players are prideful, and it would burn to have the PA guy and TV commentators announce that &#8220;so-and-so has been fined $1,000 by the NBA for flopping with 9:14 left in the 2nd quarter&#8221; or what have you.</p>
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		<title>By: Juany8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juany8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-404507&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flossy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Since the only repercussion will be a fine long after the game is over, I doubt it will make a difference.That’s enough time for league officials to differentiate whether someone fell down in the course of taking a legit charge vs. for example, LeBron James acting like he’d been hit by a truck a good half-second after he ran into a Chandler pick in last year’s playoffs (not that LeBron will ever get called for this shit).


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Lol it&#039;s ironic that Miami&#039;s defense would suffer by far the most if this was allowed. Pretty much their entire starting lineup flops nonstop at the slightest contact. I&#039;ve heard someone say, the incentive to stop won&#039;t come from the fines or fouls, it&#039;ll come from the shame of being officially called a flopper for all the league to see. A lot of these guys are very proud lol, although I could see someone like Ginobli or Scola not caring lol]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-404507" rel="nofollow">flossy</a></strong>: Since the only repercussion will be a fine long after the game is over, I doubt it will make a difference.That’s enough time for league officials to differentiate whether someone fell down in the course of taking a legit charge vs. for example, LeBron James acting like he’d been hit by a truck a good half-second after he ran into a Chandler pick in last year’s playoffs (not that LeBron will ever get called for this shit).</p>
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<p>Lol it&#8217;s ironic that Miami&#8217;s defense would suffer by far the most if this was allowed. Pretty much their entire starting lineup flops nonstop at the slightest contact. I&#8217;ve heard someone say, the incentive to stop won&#8217;t come from the fines or fouls, it&#8217;ll come from the shame of being officially called a flopper for all the league to see. A lot of these guys are very proud lol, although I could see someone like Ginobli or Scola not caring lol</p>
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		<title>By: flossy</title>
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		<dc:creator>flossy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 11:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-404496&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thenamestsam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I’m worried this is going to make it very, very hard to play help defense if they actually enforce this. As Battier has said (and everyone knows), if you don’t fall, you don’t get the call. Honestly, how many charges per season do you see called where the defensive player doesn’t fall? If they’re going to start calling those flops, and they fit the definition above, it’s going to dramatically decrease the ability to draw charges. That seriously affects the offense defense balance of the game.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since the only repercussion will be a fine long after the game is over, I doubt it will make a difference.  That&#039;s enough time for league officials to differentiate whether someone fell down in the course of taking a legit charge vs. for example, LeBron James acting like he&#039;d been hit by a truck a good half-second after he ran into a Chandler pick in last year&#039;s playoffs (not that LeBron will ever get called for this shit).]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-404496" rel="nofollow">thenamestsam</a></strong>: I’m worried this is going to make it very, very hard to play help defense if they actually enforce this. As Battier has said (and everyone knows), if you don’t fall, you don’t get the call. Honestly, how many charges per season do you see called where the defensive player doesn’t fall? If they’re going to start calling those flops, and they fit the definition above, it’s going to dramatically decrease the ability to draw charges. That seriously affects the offense defense balance of the game.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since the only repercussion will be a fine long after the game is over, I doubt it will make a difference.  That&#8217;s enough time for league officials to differentiate whether someone fell down in the course of taking a legit charge vs. for example, LeBron James acting like he&#8217;d been hit by a truck a good half-second after he ran into a Chandler pick in last year&#8217;s playoffs (not that LeBron will ever get called for this shit).</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[one thing the NBA is great at is ceasing to enforce dumb rules once it becomes clear they&#039;re dumb. remember two years ago when they started calling Ts for hanging on the rim? those calls were nonexistent last year, and rightfully so. 

so if this doesn&#039;t work, I don&#039;t think it&#039;ll be a problem, but I&#039;m glad they&#039;re at least trying something, as less flopping can only be a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing the NBA is great at is ceasing to enforce dumb rules once it becomes clear they&#8217;re dumb. remember two years ago when they started calling Ts for hanging on the rim? those calls were nonexistent last year, and rightfully so. </p>
<p>so if this doesn&#8217;t work, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;ll be a problem, but I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re at least trying something, as less flopping can only be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 00:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;ll be enforced but not on the &lt;i&gt;exaggeration&lt;/i&gt; of contact. It&#039;ll be for the completely made up flops on non- contact. 

Like this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibkih7Gv9E8

Or the totally egregious:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVbxnm8Uwc

There are flops and there are FLOPS. They&#039;ll only police the FLOPS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;ll be enforced but not on the <i>exaggeration</i> of contact. It&#8217;ll be for the completely made up flops on non- contact. </p>
<p>Like this</p>
<p><a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibkih7Gv9E8" rel="nofollow">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibkih7Gv9E8</a></p>
<p>Or the totally egregious:</p>
<p><a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVbxnm8Uwc" rel="nofollow">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVbxnm8Uwc</a></p>
<p>There are flops and there are FLOPS. They&#8217;ll only police the FLOPS.</p>
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