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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

NYT: Injuries Throwing Wrench in N.B.A. Contenders’ Plans

In my latest New York Times Off The Dribble piece, I discuss the recent slew of injuries from around the league, why they were inevitable, and how it shouldn’t damper the Knicks’ hopes for a post-season run. I mention Jeremy Lin zero times, and for that I probably deserve to go to Hell.

Given a truly brutal 66-games-in-123-days schedule, the question of whether injuries would start derailing the seasons of N.B.A. players and their teams was always more a matter of when than if.

On Tuesday, it was announced that Clippers guard Chauncey Billups had a torn Achilles’ tendon – sustained during Monday’s overtime win over Orlando – that would force the veteran floor general to miss the remainder of the season. In New York, Carmelo Anthony is expected to be sidelined up to two weeks with a strained groin – this while having just recovered from ankle and wrist maladies, and despite logging the fewest minutes per game of his career.

Read the full screed here.

106 comments on “NYT: Injuries Throwing Wrench in N.B.A. Contenders’ Plans

  1. xduckshoex

    I was going to read the full thing, but then I saw that you mentioned Jeremy Lin zero times and decided there was nothing there for me.

  2. jon abbey

    odd to have no mention of previous seasons and how this compares, guys get hurt every year and it’d be illuminating to know how this year compares thus far.

  3. Jim Cavan Post author

    jon abbey:
    odd to have no mention of previous seasons and how this compares, guys get hurt every year and it’d be illuminating to know how this year compares thus far.

    I tried for a while to find a reliable source to compare number of injuries across seasons, but alas, I could not find one. Not without spending hours upon hours counting and re-counting all of the injuries from, say, the past 10 seasons. However I’ve read quotes from a number of GMs, coaches, etc. saying that the lockout has indeed imparted more in the way of bumps and bruises than in seasons past, so I guess I just took their words for it. #lazyperhaps

  4. villainx

    I don’t think Jeremy Lin is boring. Or I guess I don’t really care.

    Just work on his game and work on helping the team and his teammates.

  5. Jim Cavan Post author

    villainx:
    I don’t think Jeremy Lin is boring. Or I guess I don’t really care.

    Just work on his game and work on helping the team and his teammates.

    That piece really rubbed me the wrong way. And my thoughts exactly: Who gives a shit if the kid can talk Kafka or politics or art? As long as he’s exciting and interesting on the court, that’s 99% of it for me. If he can talk about those things? Just an added bonus. Just struck me as sour grapes.

  6. jon abbey

    I do think it’s funny that people think that everyone who goes to Harvard is a genius. I know when I was at Columbia, some of the dumber people I’ve ever met anywhere were on the football and wrestling team there, and I know that Harvard hockey players are notorious for often only being admitted for their abilities on the ice.

  7. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    This piece is hysterical, and what i mean by hysterical is hysterically sad. first the man has said all the right things in all interviews: hes been humble by saying he slept on couches, hes articulate when talking about the game of basketball and how he can improve’ he shows that he is a student off the game and wants to get better by saying he is going to study john walls tendencies, and not for nothing but he is congenial and has brought chuckles from the bottom of my soul. the point is he was not a political science major, public speaking major, or English major in Harvard. the truth is he is a economy major, so when somebody says he is not articulate or has an extensive vocabulary i really don’t care. on the other hand if ask him whats wrong with today’s economy and he said to me i have no idea there is a problem. Lin is Lin and he is great just like he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Z

    jon abbey:
    I know when I was at Columbia, some of the dumber people I’ve ever met anywhere were on the football and wrestling team there…

    We’re you there with Frank O.? (and was he on the wrestling team:)?

  9. Nick C.

    That piece is just crazy. This guy is miffed or asking why Jeremy Lin wouldn’t open up and start rambling on long intellectual tangents. He’s just got the job and he is supposed to start running off at the mouth. I thought he was great in deflecting all the praise to the teammates in the post games that I saw. But that’s me.

  10. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i totally agree with you Jim Caven its not important were we land in our seeding. all we have to do is build momentum and have a healthy team come playoffs. we have found our pg solution i believe, our bench its heating up, we still have 4 key players missing in action (Amare, Melo, Jorts, and Baron Davis) and we are still winning the game we must win. all in all i think we are in a very good situation were MDA can take a fresh new perspective at our whole team and see when he can use them in key situations in the game. the team is buying his system and the bench is finally stepping up and gaining confidence. this to me is a perfect situation for the New York Knicks. we are right now in perfect with the basketball celestial planets to make a deep run into the playoffs and maybe the finals!!!! I’m very optimistic but also grounded in reality and my belief that this adversity has made the Knicks much stronger indeed in a much shorter period of time.

  11. Degree_Absolute

    It sounds to me like this Strauss fellow just fell victim to his own preconceived notions about who Jeremy Lin should or should not be. From what I gather, this has been running theme for Lin throughout his college and professional career. Usually you see it on the court when guys are surprised that a different-looking, no-name from a historically less-than-competitive athletic conference can make them look silly. In this instance, Strauss saw a different-looking, no-name from an iconic university known for its academic rigor and decided he should act a certain way. Just another example of Jeremy breaking stereotypes I guess.

  12. Gideon Zaga

    Sherwoodstrauss is an idiot and a groupie, where do they find these sports writer kids nowadays, my goodness.

  13. Jim Cavan Post author

    Gideon Zaga:
    Sherwoodstrauss is an idiot and a groupie, where do they find these sports writer kids nowadays, my goodness.

    Ethan’s a very good writer and a very smart person. I thoroughly enjoy most of his work. But this piece — and maybe I’m just being a homer — just seemed unnecessary and pointless.

  14. Degree_Absolute

    Degree_Absolute: Is he a great, very good writer or merely, only a very good writer?

    OK, I sounded like a dick right there, but I don’t care for his writing style and, in that piece at least, I don’t think he made any worthwhile observations because he was too busy trying to convince his audience that he is smart.

  15. Jake S.

    Jim Cavan: That piece really rubbed me the wrong way. And my thoughts exactly: Who gives a shit if the kid can talk Kafka or politics or art? As long as he’s exciting and interesting on the court, that’s 99% of it for me. If he can talk about those things? Just an added bonus. Just struck me as sour grapes.

    While I found the graph about Lin not being able to wax poetic about the D-League, or draw any interesting parallels between Reno and Boston to be patently ridiculous, Sherwood-Strauss touches on an interesting question without ever quite answering it: Under what circumstances does a player’s ethnicity make him a symbol as opposed to a flesh and blood athlete, with personality quirks, neuroses, etc.?

    I still think it’s a little too early to call Lin a phenomenon, but there was a whiff of Fernandomania in the Verizon Center last night. Just something to keep an eye on. And like Dodgers fans before me, presumably, I could care less how colorful Lin is in his post-game interviews.

  16. hoolahoop

    THE LAST TWO GAMES ARE NOTHING SHORT OF AN INDICTMENT ON MELO.

    Ruru and other Melo defenders, Do you get it now? Funny, how the guys who everybody said sucked suddenly are playing great and knocking down their shots.

    We know Amare will thrive in this system. He must be salivating to get back. Owen said it best. “Too bad Melo’s on this team”. Mark my words. He’s going to come back and destroy this team. Maybe not the first game of two, but if he’s not the center of attention with lots of points next to his name, he’s not happy.

    What’s the difference between Melo and Lin.
    Lin trusts his teammates and sets them up to score.
    Melo doesn’t trust his teammates, dumps the ball to them when he has no shot and basically says, “your turn”, and plays selfish hero-ball with no regard for what is best for the team.

    Melo is a team killer. Let him prove me wrong. Please.

  17. Degree_Absolute

    hoolahoop:
    THE LAST TWO GAMES ARE NOTHING SHORT OF AN INDICTMENT ON MELO.

    Ruru and other Melo defenders, Do you get it now? Funny, how the guys who everybody said sucked suddenly are playing great and knocking down their shots.

    We know Amare will thrive in this system. He must be salivating to get back. Owen said it best. “Too bad Melo’s on this team”. Mark my words. He’s going to come back and destroy this team. Maybe not the first game of two, but if he’s not the center of attention with lots of points next to his name, he’s not happy.

    What’s the difference between Melo and Lin.
    Lin trusts his teammates and sets them up to score.
    Melo doesn’t trust his teammates, dumps the ball to them when he has no shot and basically says, “your turn”, and plays selfish hero-ball with no regard for what is best for the team.

    Melo is a team killer. Let him prove me wrong. Please.

    I think you are trolling, but I will take the bait.

    I am far from a Melo defender, but that is not what I’ve taken from the last two games. Also, if you were watching yesterday, we weren’t hitting anything at all at the beginning of the game. Novak is the only guy who has proven that he can consistently hit open shots and when we get healthy, he won’t see be seeing that much playing time. Walker was 1-8 from three. Lin was 0-3. Fields was 0-1. JJ was 0-1. Bibby was 0-4. Outside of Novak, we scored most of our points in the paint or at the line. I am not sure what game you were watching yesterday.

  18. Phil Brank - Alien Extraordinaire

    I don’t think you can say these last two games are an idictment on melo, that’s going way too far. If J Lin didn’t emerge and start making everyone better, then you might have a case. That is, if everyone that is suddenly playing great and knocking down shots were doing this WITHOUT melo AND WITHOUT J Lin then you would have an amazing point.

    But based on what you’re saying, you can’t say for sure whether they’re doing well because of a lack of melo or an abudance of J Lin’s awesomeness.

  19. Gideon Zaga

    What an idiotic thing to say, because they beat the Nets, jazz and wizards, I have league pass all three so I am able to watch the game archives, I suggest you rewatch all of them too and BTW we’ll see how they do against a tired Laker squad on Friday. And who asked melody to be point forward. I’m starting to side with Wilbon, you are the kind that make them call us clowns. I’m really not surprised anymore, carry on.

    hoolahoop:
    THE LAST TWO GAMES ARE NOTHING SHORT OF AN INDICTMENT ON MELO.

    Ruru and other Melo defenders, Do you get it now? Funny, how the guys who everybody said sucked suddenly are playing great and knocking down their shots.

    We know Amare will thrive in this system. He must be salivating to get back. Owen said it best. “Too bad Melo’s on this team”. Mark my words. He’s going to come back and destroy this team. Maybe not the first game of two, but if he’s not the center of attention with lots of points next to his name, he’s not happy.

    What’s the difference between Melo and Lin.
    Lin trusts his teammates and sets them up to score.
    Melo doesn’t trust his teammates, dumps the ball to them when he has no shot and basically says, “your turn”, and plays selfish hero-ball with no regard for what is best for the team.

    Melo is a team killer. Let him prove me wrong. Please.

  20. Grymm

    Just to throw some numbers at the original article/post, I ran some numbers. I took the 2011 all-star team plus Bynum who is a starter last year and Aldridge who I thought should have been on the team last year. I looked up how many games and minutes they logged last year versus so far this year. These are the players that typically carry the heaviest loads, are missed the most when they are not on the court, and presumably drive a lot of the NBA revenue streams. In 2011, they played 93.1% of their team’s games (I counted DWill and Melo out of 81 as I think they both lost a possible game due to being traded) and they logged 69.0% of possible minutes (assuming 48min/game). So far this year, these same players are at 86.1% game participation and 63.2% minutes. Minutes per game played are almost identical (less than 1% difference) so the minutes lost are purely games missed. Teams don’t seem to be riding their stars less.

    Extrapolated out to an 82 game season, this pool of players would miss 296 games. They missed 148 games in 2011.

    *I would have added Zack Randolph as well, but his numbers would have swayed the stats favorably. Aldridge’s actually contradict the remainder of the data.

  21. JK47

    Hoola has reduced Melo to a caricature, literally a TERRIBLE basketball player who does nothing but shoot contested 18-footers and generally destroy all things that are good and decent. By hoola’s logic, we are better off with Bill Walker as the starting SF.

    It’s pretty obvious to me and I think to most people that the main factor in this team’s turnaround has been the removal of Toney Douglas and his -.064 WS% and the addition of Jeremy Lin and his .265 WS%. We’ve gone from having literally the worst point guard play in the NBA to literally the best. I don’t think anybody expects Lin to put up WS% numbers that rival LeBron James and Chris Paul for very long, but that is what Lin has done so far.

    You would also think the fact that we’ve played the 30th, 21st and 25th ranked defenses in these three games would have something to do with our sudden surge in offensive productivity. Let’s see how our new Melo-less offensive juggernaut does against the Lakers and their 11th ranked defense. I’m guessing NYK might run into some problems in that game.

  22. hoolahoop

    Degree_Absolute: I think you are trolling, but I will take the bait.

    I am far from a Melo defender, but that is not what I’ve taken from the last two games.Also, if you were watching yesterday, we weren’t hitting anything at all at the beginning of the game.Novak is the only guy who has proven that he can consistently hit open shots and when we get healthy, he won’t see be seeing that much playing time.Walker was 1-8 from three.Lin was 0-3.Fields was 0-1.JJ was 0-1.Bibby was 0-4.Outside of Novak, we scored most of our points in the paint or at the line.I am not sure what game you were watching yesterday.

    I don’t even know what trolling means.
    Other than the 1-12 in the first quarter the shooting was at a high percentage. Look at the box score.
    But I understand, pick what you want to see, but not that Melo was killing this team as some of us have been saying all along.
    I hope he can fit in to the style they’re playing, but I doubt it.

  23. Gideon Zaga

    You know what I agree that the great ones reinvent themselves, Kobe went to the post, Tiger installed a new swing, Ray Allen well became Ray Allen but you forget how long it takes and the time they put in for reinventions to occurr. In case you didnt know Carmelo Anthony is not a point guard or a point god like Lin, and you suddenly ask him to be one in a Lock out season, with no training camp and with no pg drills in the lockout off season. Seriously Mr. Hoola what did you expect? if only you played some basketball and at least worked on your game, you wouldnt say the ignorant things you seem so often to heap on this blog.

  24. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    JK47:
    Hoola has reduced Melo to a caricature, literally a TERRIBLE basketball player who does nothing but shoot contested 18-footers and generally destroy all things that are good and decent.By hoola’s logic, we are better off with Bill Walker as the starting SF.

    It’s pretty obvious to me and I think to most people that the main factor in this team’s turnaround has been the removal of Toney Douglas and his -.064 WS% and the addition of Jeremy Lin and his .265 WS%.We’ve gone from having literally the worst point guard play in the NBA to literally the best.I don’t think anybody expects Lin to put up WS% numbers that rival LeBron James and Chris Paul for very long, but that is what Lin has done so far.

    You would also think the fact that we’ve played the 30th, 21st and 25th ranked defenses in these three games would have something to do with our sudden surge in offensive productivity.Let’s see how our new Melo-less offensive juggernaut does against the Lakers and their 11th ranked defense.I’m guessing NYK might run into some problems in that game.

    We’ll see how Jared Jeffries matches up with a top 3 PF (although Gasol’s been not so good this year). I don’t think Lin has anything to worry about w/r/t Derek Fisher. Even a 32-year-old Kobe can’t guard him alone.

  25. hoolahoop

    What should happen but never will:
    If Lin turns out to be real (far too early to tell), the best thing the knicks could do is trade Melo. I can’t wait to see what the team looks like when Amare gets back. Amare will thrive in this system. TC will continue to be a beast with Lin. Novak is our 3-pt specialist. Fields and Shump will fit in perfectly.
    Melo doesn’t fit in. The knicks should trade him for assets that fit in.

    UNLESS, I’m wrong and Melo adjusts his game to fit in with the rest of the team (No hero ball). If that happens, I put the knicks on the level of Miami and Chicago.

  26. Owen

    Not a fan of that piece. And why an economics major should have to sprinkle in pretentious literary references I don’t know. He strikes me as more of a geeky quant type than intellectual.

    Really, what comes through in this piece to me is that the writer just doesn’t like straitlaced squeaky clean Christians. I knew a hundred guys in college, members of Athletes in Action, who were pretty much exactly like Lin. And once you got to know them they were great, except if you needed someone to drink with on a Saturday night.

    Anyway…

  27. JK47

    The team still needs more guys who can knock down the 3; we rank 3rd in the NBA in 3-pointers attempted and 25th in 3-point percentage. Obviously these are not encouraging statistics.

    Add Baron Davis to the mix and you’ve got an awful lot of guys who like to shoot threes but aren’t very good at making them. Other than Novak, who can’t really play a lot of minutes because of his other deficiencies, our best three-point shooter is Jorts. That ain’t gonna cut it. Sooner or later we’re going to need a 2-guard who can make threes.

  28. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Yeah

    Owen:
    Not a fan of that piece. And why an economics major should have to sprinkle in pretentious literary references I don’t know. He strikes me as more of a geeky quant type than intellectual.

    Awful prose. Agreed.

  29. Grymm

    I’m pretty sure as a low drafted or undrafted player, the first thing an agent will tell a player about dealing with the media is to be polite and say as little as possible. There is no upside to being truly candid in an interview prior to estabilishing yourself in the league. No one is going to hand you a contract for being interesting and you aren’t going to generate endorsement money without actually playing in games (again as a low drafted/undrafted player). If you are fortunate to establish yourself in the league, then you can try and work on your brand. Until then, dealing with the media can really only potentially hurt you.

    Now Lin does/did generate a lot of interest due to his unique background, but I doubt any of the additional interviews (and a couple documentaries I hear) would have lead to any kind of financial security compared to even just league minimum NBA pay.

  30. cgreene

    My 3 cents for the hour:

    I am hardly a big THCJ apologist (; but the prediction for which he should be most rewarded is that of Tyson Chandler who may be playing like a top 10 player in the NBA right now if not better. Howard, Bynum, Chandler are the 3 best centers in the league right now.

    The Melo referendum discussion from Hoolahoop is just unfortunate. To make predictions about whether a guy can or can’t play with another guy that he hasn’t played with is ridiculous. And judging from Melo’s demeanor while on court and after the injury the other night he seemed darn happy for the kid and is probably excited to have a guy who can get him the ball in the right place.

    That article about Lin on ESPN was just poorly written, superfluous and pointless. Sometimes good writers need to come up with a topic and get the words in. Count me in as one who would prefer Lin love math over english literature. We are a stats site and we live in data world. Chaucer won’t help him here.

  31. Gideon Zaga

    Hey JK47, people all over the net on the radio are saying how much the Knicks match up with the Lakers very well. You live in La as I do some part of the year. Please explain to these idiots how physical the Lakers are, and also remind them of the amount of blood Nash has she’d from all the bruising he gets everytime the Sun’s played the Lakers. Are you kidding me? You guys should really watch the games more instead of the box score. Lin will get his fare share of physicality and don’t let Fisher’s age fool you, he is still a great on ball defender and leads the Lakers in drawing charges.

    JK47:
    The team still needs more guys who can knock down the 3; we rank 3rd in the NBA in 3-pointers attempted and 25th in 3-point percentage.Obviously these are not encouraging statistics.

    Add Baron Davis to the mix and you’ve got an awful lot of guys who like to shoot threes but aren’t very good at making them.Other than Novak, who can’t really play a lot of minutes because of his other deficiencies, our best three-point shooter is Jorts.That ain’t gonna cut it.Sooner or later we’re going to need a 2-guard who can make threes.

  32. Degree_Absolute

    hoolahoop: I don’t even know what trolling means.
    Other than the 1-12 in the first quarter the shooting was at a high percentage. Look at the box score.
    But I understand, pick what you want to see, but not that Melo was killing this team as some of us have been saying all along.
    I hope he can fit in to the style they’re playing, but I doubt it.

    Looking at the shot chart, the majority of our makes were in the paint, like I said:

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=320208027

    Also, in the one game that had Melo, Amare, TC and Lin all playing significant minutes, we won.

  33. Jim Cavan Post author

    Grymm:
    Just to throw some numbers at the original article/post, I ran some numbers.I took the 2011 all-star team plus Bynum who is a starter last year and Aldridge who I thought should have been on the team last year.I looked up how many games and minutes they logged last year versus so far this year.These are the players that typically carry the heaviest loads, are missed the most when they are not on the court, and presumably drive a lot of the NBA revenue streams.In 2011, they played 93.1% of their team’s games (I counted DWill and Melo out of 81 as I think they both lost a possible game due to being traded) and they logged 69.0% of possible minutes (assuming 48min/game).So far this year, these same players are at 86.1% game participation and 63.2% minutes.Minutes per game played are almost identical (less than 1% difference) so the minutes lost are purely games missed.Teams don’t seem to be riding their stars less.

    Extrapolated out to an 82 game season, this pool of players would miss 296 games.They missed 148 games in 2011.

    *I would have added Zack Randolph as well, but his numbers would have swayed the stats favorably.Aldridge’s actually contradict the remainder of the data.

    Awesome stuff, Grymm. Thanks for that.

  34. Gideon Zaga

    No one has been physical with Lin so far, I’m rooting for him but I have witnessed in person the many stitches the Lakers have given Nash everytime they played the Sun’s. I don’t like Lin’s chances.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: We’ll see how Jared Jeffries matches up with a top 3 PF (although Gasol’s been not so good this year). I don’t think Lin has anything to worry about w/r/t Derek Fisher. Even a 32-year-old Kobe can’t guard him alone.

  35. Owen

    Yes, very nice post….

    ” There is no upside to being truly candid in an interview prior to estabilishing yourself in the league. No one is going to hand you a contract for being interesting and you aren’t going to generate endorsement money without actually playing in games (again as a low drafted/undrafted player)”

    Totally agree.

  36. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Gideon Zaga:
    No one has been physical with Lin so far, I’m rooting for him but I have witnessed in person the many stitches the Lakers have given Nash everytime they played the Sun’s. I don’t like Lin’s chances.

    No one’s been physical?

    You do realize that even the worst NBA teams are made up of very large men who ensure that even if you win, they are going to make it quite hard for you to put the ball in the basket more than they do?

  37. JK47

    @41

    I’ll tell you one thing, the Laker game is not going to be like the Wizards game where the Knicks were able to repeatedly take the ball to the rim. The Lakers play very solid man-to-man position defense. They’re 4th in the league in eFG% allowed and 5th in FT/FGA. They force you to beat them with jump shots, which is not exactly our forte.

  38. Gideon Zaga

    this is a classic case of watching too much box score, I’ll give you one example, go watch the dunk Lin had on the Wizards last night and watch all the wizard players.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: No one’s been physical?

    You do realize that even the worst NBA teams are made up of very large men who ensure that even if you win, they are going to make it quite hard for you to put the ball in the basket more than they do?

  39. Degree_Absolute

    Gideon Zaga:
    this is a classic case of watching too much box score, I’ll give you one example,go watch the dunk Lin had on the Wizards last night and watch all the wizard players.

    I recall the Wizzers’ announcers commenting multiple times on all the scratches and bruises (not to mention the blocking foul that was clearly a charge which resulted in Lin wearing a ridiculous bandage on his chin for most of the game) that Lin had courtesy of the Wizzers’ “defense”.

  40. Robert Silverman

    Regarding the Strauss piece, Agenda Journalism is always a flawed proposition. He didn’t interview Lin hoping to learn something, he went w/a preset agenda: “Lin’s from Harvard and is Asian so he’ll say some smart things and then I’ll write about that.”

    When Lin didn’t fulfill his agenda, he went ahead with it anyway: “Lin should say smart things b/c he’s from Harvard and is Asian. Ill write about how he’s failing to live up to (my) expectations.

  41. Gideon Zaga

    Yeah so imagine what the Lakeshow will do, don’t kid yourself, in the Boston game Dantoni didn’t bring him back cos he couldn’t even handle ball pressure. Kobe, Artest and Barnes are not so nice to leave this guy with a finger nail scratch and don’t forget Bynum. All I’m saying is slow your roll on Lin and the B team match up well with the Lakers.

    Degree_Absolute: I recall the Wizzers’ announcers commenting multiple times on all the scratches and bruises (not to mention the blocking foul that was clearly a charge which resulted in Lin wearing a ridiculous bandage on his chin for most of the game) that Lin had courtesy of the Wizzers’ “defense”.

  42. Gideon Zaga

    For Lin, tonights game against boston should be the bar setting game, if rondo has his way with the Lakers then maybe yeah we can expect the same for Lin. However, if the Lakers still lose then i give our team and Lin 0% chance of winning the next game.

  43. Owen

    I mean, yeah, the Lakers are a much better team than the Wizards, so by definition it will be tougher. But big deal…..

    That was definitely a charge on Wall btw, ridiculous call by the ref I thought….

  44. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, i really don’t get how you can criticize Melo for hypothetically not fitting in. Especially since he did play with Lin for for, what, 45 minutes? And in those 45 minutes he totally fit in. So since the only information we have about whether Melo can fit in with Lin is that yes, he can, I don’t get the concept behind then criticizing Melo under the assumption that he won’t fit in with Lin. Small sample size of success has to win out over no sample size of failure, right?

    And when you add in Melo’s improved ball movement post-the overtime loss to Denver period, I really don’t get why he’s still getting crap for not buying into the system.

    If he comes back and doesn’t buy into the system, sure, criticize the guy. When he wasn’t buying into the system earlier in the year, then sure, it was fair to criticize him. But now? I don’t think it is fair to give the guy guff for what you think he will do (especially as, again, the only information we have on him as far as playing with Lin has been positive). .

  45. Brian Cronin

    Yeah so imagine what the Lakeshow will do, don’t kid yourself, in the Boston game Dantoni didn’t bring him back cos he couldn’t even handle ball pressure.

    I don’t think you can take anything of value from D’Antoni’s treatment of Lin before the New Jersey game. It’s like saying, “Lin’s not good. After all, D’Antoni didn’t play him for a month, so how good could he be?”

  46. Richmond County

    Does anyone follow Jorts on Twitter? Today he’s walking around the Village and sharing his thoughts. First time in the big city, I reckon. God I hope he doesn’t get mugged…

  47. Degree_Absolute

    Robert Silverman:
    Regarding the Strauss piece, Agenda Journalism is always a flawed proposition. He didn’t interview Lin hoping to learn something, he went w/a preset agenda: “Lin’s from Harvard and is Asian so he’ll say some smart things and then I’ll write about that.”

    When Lin didn’t fulfill his agenda, he went ahead with it anyway: “Lin should say smart things b/c he’s from Harvard and is Asian. Ill write about how he’s failing to live up to (my) expectations.

    Running theme with Lin. He won’t be pigeon-holed.

    “You think I can’t play on this level? Well watch this crossover followed by a sweet jam. You think I can conduct a post-game interview in iambic pentameter? Surprise! I don’t even know what that shit is.”

  48. Gideon Zaga

    I agree with you Corin, People keep acting all of a sudden like Melo is not the best player on our team. Say what you want, Melo and Stat are the superstars, they don’t have to fit in with Lin, Lin has to fit in with them. These guys have egos and their egos is part of what has driven them to be the best and unstoppable forces they are. Earlier in the year during Shump mania, Shumpert was asked so are you allowed to wave Melody off when he calls the ball for isolation. Shumpert said if STAT or Melo want the ball for isolation, they get the ball for isolation. Period. I think the team will do good either way but before Melody this team was barely a .500 team and now with a point guard, I think Melody will be that extra oomph needed when the games get tougher.

  49. BigBlueAL

    Considering the Lakers size and length and just really how good they are defensively period one would think the only way for the Knicks to win tomorrow night would be to have a great day from 3pt range (and Im not talking about just Novak).

    But then again one thing that was exposed in last season’s playoffs was how poor the Lakers defended the pick’n'roll.

  50. BigBlueAL

    It would also help if Gasol plays with no energy on the 2nd night of a back-to-back and if Kobe shoots horrible trying to score 60 points lol

  51. villainx

    My big takeaway from the Wiz game was that they were at least a legit shot blocking team, and Lin did what Lin does. Attack.

  52. Brian Cronin

    People keep acting all of a sudden like Melo is not the best player on our team.

    Not for nothing, but for this year so far, I think Chandler has been the best Knick. Actually, “I think” is probably underselling it a bit, as he seems to pretty clearly been the best Knick so far (now if Melo was healthy all year, things might be different).

  53. Gideon Zaga

    Not totally disagreeing with you but if he had gone down with lingering injuries too you wouldn’t say the same.

    Brian Cronin:
    Not for nothing, but for this year so far, I think Chandler has been the best Knick.

  54. The Infamous Cdiggy

    hoolahoop:
    THE LAST TWO GAMES ARE NOTHING SHORT OF AN INDICTMENT ON MELO.

    Ruru and other Melo defenders, Do you get it now? Funny, how the guys who everybody said sucked suddenly are playing great and knocking down their shots.

    We know Amare will thrive in this system. He must be salivating to get back. Owen said it best. “Too bad Melo’s on this team”. Mark my words. He’s going to come back and destroy this team. Maybe not the first game of two, but if he’s not the center of attention with lots of points next to his name, he’s not happy.

    What’s the difference between Melo and Lin.
    Lin trusts his teammates and sets them up to score.
    Melo doesn’t trust his teammates, dumps the ball to them when he has no shot and basically says, “your turn”, and plays selfish hero-ball with no regard for what is best for the team.

    Melo is a team killer. Let him prove me wrong. Please.

    Lin is also a POINT GUARD, who’s primary role is to set up his teammates and run the offense. Melo’s a SMALL FORWARD who’s primary role is to SCORE (with a respectful degree of efficiency and mostly within the flow of the offense). While you want every player on your team to make the whole better, it is a POINT GUARD’s responsibility to make his teammates better on the floor.

    MELO IS NOT A POINT GUARD… yet the team has asked him to facilitate the offense. It’s not his strength. What the last two games was an indictment of was NOT MELO, but of the fact we had NO OTHER TRUE AND HEALTHY POINT GUARD to run this offense. Plain and simple. Do YOU get it now?

  55. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin: Not for nothing, but for this year so far, I think Chandler has been the best Knick. Actually, “I think” is probably underselling it a bit, as he seems to pretty clearly been the best Knick so far (now if Melo was healthy all year, things might be different).

    It’s not even close. He’s had maybe one “off” game all year. Tyson’s been this team’s MVP w/o a doubt.

  56. Brian Cronin

    Not totally disagreeing with you but if he had gone down with lingering injuries too you wouldn’t say the same.

    Well, that’s the thing – Chandler is the one Knick that they can’t afford to lose.

  57. 3ptlegend

    The emergence of Jeremy Lin will take pressure off of Melo. I do agree that the shortened season is having a devastating effect on many contenders but the good teams will overcome those things. Melo and Amare MUST buy into what D’Antoni is trying to do. The last 3 games have been the best brand of Knicks basketball in a long time.

  58. hoolahoop

    Okay, so everyone is piling on about my indictment of melo. I hope I’m wrong. I love when Melo plays team ball. I just think he’s too selfish to play that style.

  59. Owen

    Everyone is piling on your indictment? It’s not like criticizing Melo is a new thing in this forum.

    I’ll say it again. Melo is just not a great basketball player. He doesn’t play defense. He doesn’t score efficiently for a “star” player. And his peripherals are really just meh. He does one thing, score in volume, and it’s really highly debatable what that skill is worth.

    He’s far better at maximizing his net worth than maximizing his team’s wins.

    Ultimately, that’s my problem with Melo. His incentives and mine are misaligned.

  60. PaulStreetBoy

    STAT has already bought MDA’s system, not only that he championed it, albeit not on the court, but in the locker room. yet this was not due his skills, but the lack of point guard play which hopefully and finally arrived.

    now with Melo, it is a different ballgame alltogether. he loves hero ball and hey, he is good at it. if they can find the right balance with Lin, it will be lethal. otherwise, i am afraid Melo is a candidate to become the next disgruntled Knicks star on the bench. give MDA’s job situation, he won’t risk playing Melo if it disrupts the team’s play.

    3ptlegend:
    The emergence of Jeremy Lin will take pressure off of Melo. I do agree that the shortened season is having a devastating effect on many contenders but the good teams will overcome those things. Melo and Amare MUST buy into what D’Antoni is trying to do. The last 3 games have been the best brand of Knicks basketball in a long time.

  61. daJudge

    I don’t know the fella, but I think this Ethan Sherwood Strauss is either really funny or really doesn’t get it. Lin just played three spectacular games where he heavy lifted our moribund franchise. I’m talking about spacing, passing, intelligence, hard drives to the hoop, lovely stop and go dribbles, cross-overs, fast breaks, combined with a large set of balls. And this guy Strauss is talking about freaking Kafka. That is Kafkaesque. Are we playing Jeopardy or hoop for god sakes? If he’s being serious, I’ve never read a more inane, pretentious or annoying sports article, and boy, is that a mouthful.

  62. SJK

    MDA benching Melo seems highly unlikely. James Dolan didn’t just gut his whole team to see his new star sit on the bench. Melo will not sit on the bench if he’s healthy. It’s really moot though, as there’s nothing to suggest he won’t mesh with Lin

  63. Brian Cronin

    Okay, so everyone is piling on about my indictment of melo. I hope I’m wrong. I love when Melo plays team ball. I just think he’s too selfish to play that style.

    My big problem with it is that all season long we’ve been hoping that Melo would buy into the system. I’ve been critical of him throughout much of the season because I wanted him to buy into the system and for much of the season he did not.. We say over and over, “just buy into the system, Melo!” And then in the last few games he has done exactly that (basically ever since he said he would after the Denver loss). So he’s now doing what we told him to do and you still want to rip on him? That’s what I don’t get. If he comes back and no longer plays within the system, then fine, criticize him. But just thinking he is too selfish to do something is not fair when he has already shown a willingness to do it.

  64. Brian Cronin

    Everyone is piling on your indictment? It’s not like criticizing Melo is a new thing in this forum.

    I’ll say it again. Melo is just not a great basketball player. He doesn’t play defense. He doesn’t score efficiently for a “star” player. And his peripherals are really just meh. He does one thing, score in volume, and it’s really highly debatable what that skill is worth.

    He’s far better at maximizing his net worth than maximizing his team’s wins.

    Ultimately, that’s my problem with Melo. His incentives and mine are misaligned.

    His rebounding has not been “meh.” It has been above average for a small forward. And this year, he has a 24% assist rate as a small forward. That’s impressive.

    That said, sure, I agree that the reason he is not in the upper echelon of great players in the NBA is because he takes a high volume of shots and does not score efficiently. He is also not a particularly good defender.

    However, he has shown a willingness recently to play within a system that should maximize his efficiency. So I don’t see the point of criticizing a guy for being selfish and then not giving him the benefit of the doubt for being willing willing to change his style of play. Like if you never take your wife out dancing and she always complained about it. Then you start taking her out dancing and she still gives you crap because she’s sure you eventually will stop taking her out again. You’d be thinking, ” I can’t win with her!” right? That seems like the situation Melo is in. He’s showing a willingness to change and he’s getting shit because you feel like he won’t in the end.

  65. JK47

    I actually think Melo has played pretty decent D this year.

    Anybody have a subscription to one of those fancy advanced stats services that can shed some light on this? As far as the eye test goes, I’ve gotten the feeling that Chandler, Melo, Shumpert, Jeffries and Jorts have played pretty good defense, and that Douglas, Fields and Amar’e have been the weak spots.

  66. villainx

    Yeah, I can’t wait to see what Melo can do with Lin and playing within the system in general. Not to defend him too much, but he was asked to do a lot more with a lot less. Melo didn’t have Novak opening things up. Or he had to deal with Shumpert or Douglas or Bibby at point, and even while they may have been deferring to Melo, they also weren’t point guard-y enough to do what they should have been doing.

    If the on the floor chemistry is a problem when he returns, then pile on with the criticism, but I’m optimistic for now.

  67. d-mar

    You just know tomorrow night Kobe’s attitude will be “no one steals the spotlight from me”, and not only does he try and drop his usual 50 on us, but he guards Lin for stretches as well . Bank on it.

  68. Ben R

    I have concerns about Melo because even since he bought into the system he has had moments where he slide back into hero ball but I will give him the benefit of the doubt moving forward.

    The big key though is Melo needs to score 22 pts or less a game if this system is really going to work. In a perfect world Melo and Amare would both score around 20 and then Lin, Fields and Tyson would each average around 15. That kind of balance would ensure we have the spacing we need.

    I am worried that Melo will see his average drop and then when the team goes through a rough patch he will see it as his duty to put the team on his back and abandon the system. I hope not and I will not condemn the man until he lets us down but I think a little healthy concern is okay.

  69. Z

    Grymm:
    I’m pretty sure as a low drafted or undrafted player, the first thing an agent will tell a player about dealing with the media is to be polite and say as little as possible.There is no upside to being truly candid in an interview prior to estabilishing yourself in the league.No one is going to hand you a contract for being interesting and you aren’t going to generate endorsement money without actually playing in games (again as a low drafted/undrafted player).If you are fortunate to establish yourself in the league, then you can try and work on your brand.Until then, dealing with the media can really only potentially hurt you.

    Crash Davis’ lesson on media relations:

    “Think classy, you’ll be classy. If you win 20 in the show, you can let the fungus grow back and the press’ll think you’re colorful. Until you win 20 in the show, however, it means you are a slob.”

  70. PC

    Does anyone else think that it is a good that we are slowly bringing back our “stars” one at a time, rather than at the same time?

    I think it will be beneficial for Lin and the new Knicks to get acquanted with Amare (who surely will thrive in his own PnR & surely mess up some of Chandler’s spacing) and then after Melo watches more team basketball, he can jump in (hopefully healthy).

  71. nicos

    JK47:
    I actually think Melo has played pretty decent D this year.

    Anybody have a subscription to one of those fancy advanced stats services that can shed some light on this?As far as the eye test goes, I’ve gotten the feeling that Chandler, Melo, Shumpert, Jeffries and Jorts have played pretty good defense, and that Douglas, Fields and Amar’e have been the weak spots.

    If you go by Synergy the Knicks best defensive player in terms of points per possession allowed has been Jorts, followed by Shumpert, Chandler, Melo, Amar’e, Jeffries, Walker, TD and Fields. Of course, Synergy isn’t tracking things like missed rotations (which would certainly hurt Amar’e's ranking) or smart help (which would probably help guys like Chandler and Jeffries) so it’s tough to take too much from those numbers. For instance, the numbers suggest that Shumpert’s defense is so much better than Fields’ that it just about makes up for Fields’ superiority on the offensive end but you have to ask if Fields has suffered more from Amar’e's (and to a lesser extent Melo’s) poor hedging than Shumpert has- Who knows?

  72. Degree_Absolute

    PC: Does anyone else think that it is a good that we are slowly bringing back our “stars” one at a time, rather than at the same time?

    In typical season, maybe. In a lockout-shortened one, no. I want everyone together every single chance they get so they can gel and become familiarized with one another’s tendencies. There are only so many games and practices left.

    Also, is D’Antoni safe after this three game winning streak? Do I have to be on the Woodson-Watch? I would hope that effort and continuity (and victories) that the Knicks have shown without their two marquee players would cement MD at least for the rest of season, but with Dolan that is likely a pipe dream.

  73. hoolahoop

    SJK: It’s really moot though, as there’s nothing to suggest he won’t mesh with Lin

    Really? Nothing?
    What about ball hogging, selfish, hero-ball, 1-on-1 head down and shoot with guys draping all over him?

  74. hoolahoop

    Brian Cronin: now if Melo was healthy all year, things might be different

    I understand what you’re saying. Maybe I’ve been burned too many times, but I’ll believe his new ways when I see him playing like that every night, not just two games after Denver mopped the floor with him in a pitiful hero ball extravaganza.
    But, like I said, I think he’s fantastic when he plays team ball. Let’s hope he stick to it – every game, all game. If he does, with his talent, the kincks can compete with anybody.

  75. danvt

    Owen: That was definitely a charge on Wall btw, ridiculous call by the ref I thought….

    Thanks for that. That was my favorite play of all, in a night of great plays. I’d say he answered the toughness question.

    He also came back from the 8 TO’s and only got two against WAS. I’m looking forward to learning whether his handle is for real, against a really good team defense like LAL, but I assume that, even if we lose tomorrow, there’ll be a lot more easy buckets courtesy of Mr. Lin.

    More thoughts. I don’t think he dominates the ball. He keeps his dribble going long enough to create. If that’s an extra 5 seconds so be it.

    On Melo and Lin. I’ll wade in. Everybody has played better with a PG that can run the coaches system. Everybody had been YELLING THAT WE NEEDED A REAL PG since Chauncey left and it turned out to be true. To say that Melo somehow won’t fit in or that it was his fault before has been disproven.

    On GM’s overlooking Lin. I think that despite some interesting statistical evidence saying he’d be pretty good, he did not do well in one on one drills in pre draft workouts. He has obviously become stronger and a better player over time. We lucked out that our PGs sucked so bad and we ended up being the team that gave him a chance. I’m thrilled THCJ that you “saw it all along”, but you shouldn’t impugn GMs for passing on him.

  76. danvt

    Owen: Everyone is piling on your indictment? It’s not like criticizing Melo is a new thing in this forum.

    I’ll say it again. Melo is just not a great basketball player. He doesn’t play defense. He doesn’t score efficiently for a “star” player. And his peripherals are really just meh. He does one thing, score in volume, and it’s really highly debatable what that skill is worth.

    He’s far better at maximizing his net worth than maximizing his team’s wins.

    Ultimately, that’s my problem with Melo. His incentives and mine are misaligned.

    I don’t think that’s fair. He has a beautiful quick release. He’s a brilliant scorer. Is he over rated? Sure, hype is real. Does he need to improve? Of course, but I don’t think he’s selfish at his core.

  77. JK47

    @88

    Yeah, after Denver “mopped the floor” with him. That game, in which the Knicks had to play against the 2012 Denver Nuggets, also known as The Greatest Team Ever To Play Basketball, went to double overtime. Meaning by definition it was an extremely close game.

  78. KnicksFanInVA

    Wow Roy Hibbert chosen as All-Star reserve. Over Tyson Chandler. I know we’re under .500, but damn Roy Hibbert over Chandler?

  79. jon abbey

    I think we’re really developing a strong parallel to last year’s Dallas team, although not nearly as deep:

    Lin=Barea
    Baron=Kidd
    Melo=Nowitzki (wishful thinking, but not inconceivable)
    Chandler=Chandler

    JR Smith could be Jason Terry if we can get him, then you’re pretty much left with old suns PF teammates Amare and Marion, and I’d take Carlisle over D’Antoni, but still, interesting how by that blueprint we’re not that far away, if everyone is healthy anyway.

    rooting for triple OT in Boston tonight…

  80. ess-dog

    Brian Cronin: My big problem with it is that all season long we’ve been hoping that Melo would buy into the system. I’ve been critical of him throughout much of the season because I wanted him to buy into the system and for much of the season he did not.. We say over and over, “just buy into the system, Melo!” And then in the last few games he has done exactly that (basically ever since he said he would after the Denver loss). So he’s now doing what we told him to do and you still want to rip on him? That’s what I don’t get. If he comes back and no longer plays within the system, then fine, criticize him. But just thinking he is too selfish to do something is not fair when he has already shown a willingness to do it.

    I think in retrospect, it was a REALLY bad move to make Melo the primary ball handler. It’s like asking an alcoholic to pass out drinks at a party.

    But in his defense, his win shares were pretty high, .202, before his rash of injuries, so I’ll cut him some slack until we can see him with Lin. There’s no reason he can’t do exactly what Paul Pierce does on a consistent basis. He will always be overpaid, but if we can keep Lin, Chandler, the real Landry and and other good, cheap guys around him, there’s no reason we can’t be a very good team.

  81. Degree_Absolute

    KnicksFanInVA: Wow Roy Hibbert chosen as All-Star reserve. Over Tyson Chandler. I know we’re under .500, but damn Roy Hibbert over Chandler?

    They have nearly the same stats but Chandler is getting them way more efficiently. His freaking Chandler’s FG% is higher than Hibbert’s FT%.

  82. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    jon abbey:
    I think we’re really developing a strong parallel to last year’s Dallas team, although not nearly as deep:

    Lin=Barea
    Baron=Kidd
    Melo=Nowitzki (wishful thinking, but not inconceivable)
    Chandler=Chandler

    JR Smith could be Jason Terry if we can get him, then you’re pretty much left with old suns PF teammates Amare and Marion, and I’d take Carlisle over D’Antoni, but still, interesting how by that blueprint we’re not that far away, if everyone is healthy anyway.

    rooting for triple OT in Boston tonight…

    Baron Davis has never been as good as Kidd was last year. Not even close. Same with Carmelo and Nowitzki.

  83. Gamecockerbocker

    d-mar:
    You just know tomorrow night Kobe’s attitude will be “no one steals the spotlight from me”, and not only does he try and drop his usual 50 on us, but he guards Lin for stretches as well . Bank on it.

    If he guards Lin for stretches the Knicks should clear out the paint and let Landry go to work in the paint against Fisher all night long.

  84. jon abbey

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Baron Davis has never been as good as Kidd was last year. Not even close. Same with Carmelo and Nowitzki.

    well, again, for what we need him for, Baron was better last year than Kidd:

    “Davis had the most valuable assists in the league last season, and it wasn’t even close. Among players with at least 300 assists, Davis’ average assist was worth .841 points, well ahead of the league average of .667. And lest you think that was all from having Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan slamming down dunks, consider that Davis’ assist value didn’t change at all after the trade to Cleveland. More than half of Davis’ assists were layups or dunks, according to Hoopdata.com, compared to the league average of 38 percent; conversely, only 26.3 percent of his dimes were “bad” assists that led to 2-pointers away from the basket.”

    Baron creates space in the halfcourt for his teammates and controls the game to an extent that only a few other elite players can, when he is both healthy and motivated to do so. he’s such a good fit when healthy, hopefully there won’t be any more setbacks.

  85. Gamecockerbocker

    Also, if Chandler stays out of foul trouble we can definitely beat LA. Meta and Fisher wouldn’t start on at least half of the teams in the league (probably more). Let Chandler match Bynum, Jeffries play solid defense on Gasol and play smart offense like we have the past three games and it’ll be close the whole way through. Kobe will get his.

  86. nicos

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Baron Davis has never been as good as Kidd was last year. Not even close. Same with Carmelo and Nowitzki.

    Kidd’s ws/48 was .116. His TS was .50% His rebound, assist and turnover numbers were nowhere near what they were in his prime. Baron Davis’s best isn’t in the same universe as Kidd’s best but he’s had plenty of years comparable to Kidd’s 2010/11. I know you don’t care about +/- but Dallas was actually 3.4 points better with him on the bench last year.

  87. Owen

    Melo has value as a player. He’s a great scorer no question. But he isn’t close to providing max contract value, let alone surplus. That’s imho, of course….

  88. Brian Cronin

    I would agree, but since he’s not going anywhere, we might as well maximize his scoring talents, and if he’s willing to play in the system (which he seems to be willing to do) then his scoring ability will, indeed, be maximized.

    The 2004-05 Suns had one player average 26 a game, one average 19 a game and one average 17 a game.

    STAT and Melo could easily both average around 24 a game in this offense.

  89. hoolahoop

    When are we all going to watch a game together?
    Of course, we’ll have to wait for our big guns to return, but let’s all meet at a bar in the city for a good game. . . maybe in late feb or march.
    Anyone in?

  90. rururuland2

    I’m know that this gets lost on people every time I post it, but Melo has NEVER played with a competent pick and roll primary ballhandler.

    Chauncey Billups is a combo guard with leadership, a guy who most years barely cracks top 40 in assist percentage (excluding years he was getting 3-4 assists a night passing to Rip coming off multiple screens.)

    Allen Iverson… don’t need to add anything.

    Andre Miller: great transition passer. Wonderful lob passer. Very average pick and roll player.

    Why does any of this matter?

    Understand that Melo to me is the homegrown player that all of you covet with Shumpert, Lin, except on a much greater scale.

    It’s important to make note of that because I’ve watched his evolution from the get-go.

    When the Nuggets decided to trade for Andre Miller, they unintentionally changed the habits of their franchise player.

    There was no rhyme or reason to why Melo, nor anyone else in the Iverson offense, would get the ball where and when they got it.

    Isolation was really the one way Melo could become an integral part of the offense. Not that it wasn’t a big part of his game before, but it became much bigger with AI.

    When Denver traded for Billups, Melo became a more proficient iso player, adding a variety of moves to create fouls, room and get to the rim. Given the weaknesses in Chauncey’s playmaking, the Nuggets decided to build it’s offense around the Melo iso, spreading the floor for him, cutting to the basket, creating a great weakside attack (which was never really reflected in Melo’s individual numbers, but you can see it now with the HUGE drop-off in numbers and efficiency for guys he shared the floor with most)

    Everyone fed of the way Melo tilted the defense.

    Ok, so engrained isolation mindset, you can see him slowly adapting his game in this offense, more movement even sans point guard.

    I’m fascinated to see what Melo can do when he knows he can be delivered the ball when he’s…

  91. rururuland2

    open. When Melo can expend his energy on moving without the ball, using screens to get open outside, and his great strength to pin defenders inside.

    Instead of having to use his energy grappling the defender for position on the wing because there isn’t a pg who can get him the ball anywhere else.

    I know Melo can do those things because, well, he’s done them before.

    I still think the best I’ve ever seen Melo was 2006-2007 pre-Iverson trade, when he played in an uptempo system with a good point guard.

    Pre-Iverson he was averaging close to 32ppg on over 50% from the field: http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1975/year/2007/carmelo-anthony

    That was with a guy who allowed him to play much more off the ball, and utilize much more of his diverse skill-set.

    Can’t wait to see him re-develop those things with Lin.

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