NYT Draft prospects / Draft chat
June 28th, 2012 by Jim Cavan | @JPCavan | Comments | Permalink |
So I wrote a thing over at the thing about three possible candidates for the Knicks’ pick tonight, which if I remember correctly is the 103rd:
Having dealt away their first-round draft pick in the 2010 Tracy McGrady trade, the Knicks’ hopes for adding depth will now have to be realized in the second round. But while rotation-ready players are seldom found outside the top 30, the past two drafts have seen the Knicks walk away with a pair of finds – Landry Fields (2010) and Josh Harrellson (2011) – who both ended up making rookie year contributions.
This year’s draft – which will be shown Thursday on ESPN – is one of the deepest in recent years. But it also marks one of the least dramatic, with many first-round mock boards showing similar selections. Where things get jumbled is in the second round, where “upside” becomes more difficult to pin down, and the line between contributor and roster flotsam can be thin.
You can read about the actual candidates here. Once the show gets underway, feel free to use this as your dart board for Dion Waiters jokes. We’ll try and have something up about whomever the Knicks pick as soon as we can! In the mean time, if any y’all are hanging around Newark and wouldn’t mind pinning a sign that reads “I CLUB BABY PUFFINS” in blood red letters on Draymond Green’s suit, that’d be capital. Really need that guy to fall. To us.
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I’ve been away for a while now but thought I’d check in to see the draft discussions.
Put me down in the camp that hopes the Knicks snag Machado. This kid is an assist machine and a local talent. He also reminds me of the incredible buffalo wings served at the Beechmont Tavern right across the street from Iona.
Its too bad the draft isn’t at the Garden this year, because Machado could have had the distinction of being the first Knicks’ draft pick that wasn’t boo’d in eons.
Buford is actually projected to go late 1st round, so he most likely will be long gone by the Knicks’ pick.
I think there are so many decent FA PGs available on the cheap that I’d rather get a wing like Crowder or Thompson, or a good shooter like Denmon
How many hours from now are the Knicks likely to be up?
I’m sorry, I mixed up William Buford with Will Barton. I agree that Buford looks good.
Cant wait for all the complaining when the Knicks make their draft pick!! :-)
That guy needs to tweeze his brows! (didn’t he know he was going to be on national television!?)
What was the point of the McGrady trade again?
Anyone have a link to a trade-tracker or anything?
To get rid of Jared Jeffries, of course!!
haha. We’re the best team ever.
Well, if you needed proof that the McGrady trade was worth the gamble this year’s finals should have given it to you. The Knicks gave up a ton to clear enough cap space so that they could have a reasonable shot at LBJ (figuring they’d need at least two max spots in order to entice LBJ since he wasn’t going to come by himself). It didn’t work out but if you have a shot to get the best player in the game (and probably a top 10 player all-time when all is said and done) you have to go for it.
Cavs going with a “need” pick instead of going with the best player available pick. Stupid at #4.
I don’t follow college ball, and these names mean nothing to me, but what happened to the old adage “draft for size”? (other than the guy with the brows, theses guys are all swing men. Huh?)
The Miami Heat happened lol
My guess is that Waiters trusts his agents so much because of what a great job they did negotiating his salary at Syracuse.
Waiters seems redundant because of he’s only 6’4″ but I’m not sure who they should have picked. I just don’t know their roster.
Man, Billy King is a doofus…
DC– no mock draft this year? (you were always so good at it!)
Man, the only games I saw this year were Mizzou. I can tell you about English and Denmon, the other B12 guys, and that’s about it.
I never even heard of Damian Lillard until this week.
I have really mixed feelings on Barnes. It’ll be interesting to see what he develops into.
Aww… Maybe THCJ is right… Maybe we should just turn this site over to Ruruland. You and Mike K have dropped out. Caleb and Owen aren’t around much…… Part of me actually misses the days of Frank Williams and Lee Nailon …
I like Ross. He can really stick it, and he’s not a bad defender.
I like this guys attempt with the bow tie, but why’d he choose a green motif, especially with the pin-striped blazer??
I wonder how much the Raps consider cultural fit? To a kid from Seattle, Canada doesn’t seem like the other side of the world.
Drummond is a guy I never saw play at all.
Sure hope the Hornets’ draft works out. I like Monty Williams.
I think Leonard has a better skill set than Zeller, but wasn’t coached AT ALL at Illinois.
Knick roots run deep :)
If I remember correctly Monty actually started a decent amount of games his rookie year for the Knicks.
Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress
Veteran NBA scout just texted me. “Most unpredictable draft I’ve seen in 30 years. We’ve been blowing smoke up each other’s asses for weeks”
Yup. He was pretty solid his rookie season… Ah, the good ‘ol days :)
I don’t recall how many he started, but he played. He was explosive. Had a heart condition.
Just looked it up, 41 games played with 23 starts. Pretty awful numbers though lol
Rivals.com ?@Rivals
RT @TWalkerRivals: The Hornets have drafted the No.1 and No.2 players from the @Rivals 2011 rankings.
But the team did okay, and he played,so fuck the stats! (just like I’ll always think fondly of Landry, even if he’s out of the league in two…:)
I can’t keep this straight… which is the Knicks pick? #18??
#16 I believe
Ahh, yes… “Royce White”. I ain’t never heard of him, but time will tell…
Judging from the highlight reels of the top 16, I don’t think the #48 will have much impact…
Royce White is a guy I saw a LOT.
He’s a very interesting player. He’s super-wide. 6’8″ in shoes, but you need to take a cab around him. He’s a very skilled passer, almost no range on his shot. Think, a bigger, much more athletic version of Chuck Hayes.
“A tremendous student.” Not sure that’s what you want to hear them saying about your 1st round draft pick.
Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress
Dallas takes Tyler Zeller, but trading the pick to Cleveland according to reports. Good move from the Cavs.
If Sullinger’s back isn’t wrecked there are going to be some dumb looking GMs in the future.
Meh. Even healthy, I saw him as a solid rather than special prospect.
Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA
Dallas will get picks 24, 33 and 34, source says, from Cleveland for Tyler Zeller.
People are mocking the Waiters pick but based on his #s he looks like one of the best swingmen available, right there with Beal.
Not sure about that Zeller trade though.
He’s better than Tyler Zeller.
I’m not saying he’s going to be all-nba, but I think he’ll be a solid big man.
Sullinger to the Celtics.
yeah, agreed.
surprised with Waiters at 4, I would have gone with Robinson or maybe even Barnes there. seems like Cleveland is getting Zeller too, though, and he’s the rare seven footer I actually like.
Then lets all hope I’m an idiot.
I don’t wanna dog the kid because he’s good.
I just think he’s a pick-and-pop player that doesn’t guard, at least he didn’t in college. Now, he fits with what the C’s do. Nice pick by them, assuming they keep it.
Is the crowd booing Stern at every pick? Because that would be hilarious.
If you could combine fab melo and Sullinger you’d have a great player.
You’d still have a guy who can’t rebound as well as a 6’11″ guy should, and lacks the elite scoring ability to make up for it.
So when the Knicks play Boston next season, are the announcers gonna say “Melo, to the basket, blocked by Melo”? I guess as usual, it would just be all about Melo (-:
when am I allowed to start hoping Perry Jones falls to 48? :)
At pick 49.
I’d hate it if PJ3 goes to the Heat. That would kinda suck.
Chad ford tweeting that the heat are trading this pick to philly
Does Stern ENJOY getting booed??? WTF is wrong with him?
Thunder get Perry Jones. WOW.
yes, good move to hold the draft in a city that just lost its team.
He thinks putting on a smile will endear him to the fans.
Nope, we still think you’re an incompetent boob.
Perry Jones to OKC, now of course he will kick ass.
What seems to go unsaid with PJ3 is that he was hardly coached in college. Scott Drew is horrible.
PJ3 is the new Derrick McKey.
Perry Jones is a really risky pick, but at least Oklahoma can afford to roll the dice.
Good for the fans for relentlessly booing Stern.
According to Hollinger Quincy Miller and Draymond Green are 1st round players still on the board.
arguably the best thing about this NBA season, and I’m a LeBron fan.
Some of these teams are really over-thinking things. They should really just go best available on Draft Express…
Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress
At #36 Sacramento takes Orlando Johnson. Pick traded to Orlando. Physically developed wing with long arms and a nice stroke. Ready to play.
Khris Middleton (Texas A&M) to Portland. That was one of about 3 guys I had my eye on for NYKs.
Classic case of a guy who declared because he got hurt.
Darn. I liked lamb for the Knicks a lot.
Twitter is one or two picks ahead of the TV feed.
I’m hoping for Kevin Jones at this point. Or roll the dice with Murphy.
what about William Buford? starting to hope for him, I think…
they almost definitely need a guard, the only healthy guard under contract pending Lin is the remnants of Toney Douglas.
Denmon would work too.
Hoping for Machado here…
or maybe local boy Machado is the way to go.
My guess is an “out of nowhere” pick
Ha! Papanikolaou!
Anyone know this guy?
“Papanikolaou is a draft-and-stash prospect. He won’t be in the NBA for at least one more season.”
UGH
For whatever its worth Hollinger tweeted he liked the pick because his euro stats translate well.
Looks like NYK will do their damage in the trade/FA markets
He’s got solid stats. Seems like a good rebounder for a small forward, never turns the ball over, but he doesn’t seem like he’s a good shooter yet. Still, he’s 21 and playing real minutes on one of the best teams in Europe, and scouting reports say he’s a good defender. I give it a meh+
i cant believe this pick!!!!
first we need immediate help at the point. Machado would have been perfect since he is a pass first pg. the only way i don’t see this blowing up in the knicks face if is and it a big IF is if he goes undrafted.
second thing is the only reason you pick a sf who you wont get in 3 years if your the knicks is if you believe your star player melo will not be here. its a dumbtarted draft pick since his rookie year will be when melo might be on his way out and your trying to keep him. another thing is he will be 24 at that time like i said dumbtarted.
enough venting i just gotta say i miss Donnie Walsh smh.
Initial reaction was frustration, but upon further review a draft and stash guy makes a lot of sense for us. Assuming we win the arbitration appeal our rotation is basically stocked. Lin, Shump, jr, melo, amare, Tyson, Novak, and mini-mid level veteran X. That’s 8 guys there plus jorts, fields and maybe Jeffries. Would Buford (for example) really have played over any of those guys? We would have been drafting a 12th man, so stashing someone makes good sense.
Fred Weis II?
Papa-what-the-hell?
BIG assumption….we could have used a guard
I hate this pick.
Not to go all WFAN-stupid on this thread, but has anyone ever been successfully stashed abroad? Tiago Splitter? It’s the only name I can think of off the top of my head.
Ricky Rubio!! lol
~Bangs forehead against coffee table~
I hear that Ricky Rubio guy isn’t bad.
i dunno. It suggests that management has some patience. This are the types of picks that if you make enough of them you end up with a great team. It’s the difference between buying a scratch off lotto tickets with your excess $s and investing them. Did we really think a #48 pick would be better next year than a minimum salary vet?
Who cares what position he plays. He’s got the potential to become much more of an asset than the jerome jordan type players you usually end up with at the end of the draft.
Serge Ibaka, Rudy Fernandez, Manu Ginobili, Luis Scola, Hedo Turkoglu…
Alright you punks. How about a second round player that qualifies?
OK, now I’m sated. Fingers crossed Machado gets an invitation to training camp.
That was so predictable
http://knickerblogger.net/with-the-407th-pick-the-knicks-select-wait-for-it-kostas-papanikolaou/