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Saturday, October 25, 2014

NYT Draft prospects / Draft chat

So I wrote a thing over at the thing about three possible candidates for the Knicks’ pick tonight, which if I remember correctly is the 103rd:

Having dealt away their first-round draft pick in the 2010 Tracy McGrady trade, the Knicks’ hopes for adding depth will now have to be realized in the second round. But while rotation-ready players are seldom found outside the top 30, the past two drafts have seen the Knicks walk away with a pair of finds – Landry Fields (2010) and Josh Harrellson (2011) – who both ended up making rookie year contributions.

This year’s draft – which will be shown Thursday on ESPN – is one of the deepest in recent years. But it also marks one of the least dramatic, with many first-round mock boards showing similar selections. Where things get jumbled is in the second round, where “upside” becomes more difficult to pin down, and the line between contributor and roster flotsam can be thin.

You can read about the actual candidates here. Once the show gets underway, feel free to use this as your dart board for Dion Waiters jokes. We’ll try and have something up about whomever the Knicks pick as soon as we can! In the mean time, if any y’all are hanging around Newark and wouldn’t mind pinning a sign that reads “I CLUB BABY PUFFINS” in blood red letters on Draymond Green’s suit, that’d be capital. Really need that guy to fall. To us.

104 comments on “NYT Draft prospects / Draft chat

  1. TDM

    I’ve been away for a while now but thought I’d check in to see the draft discussions.

    Put me down in the camp that hopes the Knicks snag Machado. This kid is an assist machine and a local talent. He also reminds me of the incredible buffalo wings served at the Beechmont Tavern right across the street from Iona.

    Its too bad the draft isn’t at the Garden this year, because Machado could have had the distinction of being the first Knicks’ draft pick that wasn’t boo’d in eons.

  2. 2FOR18

    Buford is actually projected to go late 1st round, so he most likely will be long gone by the Knicks’ pick.
    I think there are so many decent FA PGs available on the cheap that I’d rather get a wing like Crowder or Thompson, or a good shooter like Denmon

  3. 2FOR18

    I’m sorry, I mixed up William Buford with Will Barton. I agree that Buford looks good.

  4. Z

    That guy needs to tweeze his brows! (didn’t he know he was going to be on national television!?)

  5. nicos

    DRed:
    What was the point of the McGrady trade again?

    Well, if you needed proof that the McGrady trade was worth the gamble this year’s finals should have given it to you. The Knicks gave up a ton to clear enough cap space so that they could have a reasonable shot at LBJ (figuring they’d need at least two max spots in order to entice LBJ since he wasn’t going to come by himself). It didn’t work out but if you have a shot to get the best player in the game (and probably a top 10 player all-time when all is said and done) you have to go for it.

  6. BigBlueAL

    Cavs going with a “need” pick instead of going with the best player available pick. Stupid at #4.

  7. Z

    I don’t follow college ball, and these names mean nothing to me, but what happened to the old adage “draft for size”? (other than the guy with the brows, theses guys are all swing men. Huh?)

  8. BigBlueAL

    Z:
    I don’t follow college ball, and these names mean nothing to me, but what happened to the old adage “draft for size”? (other than the guy with the brows, theses guys are all swing men. Huh?)

    The Miami Heat happened lol

  9. David Crockett

    BigBlueAL:
    Cavs going with a “need” pick instead of going with the best player available pick.Stupid at #4.

    Waiters seems redundant because of he’s only 6’4″ but I’m not sure who they should have picked. I just don’t know their roster.

  10. Z

    David Crockett: Waiters seems redundant because of he’s only 6’4? but I’m not sure who they should have picked. I just don’t know their roster.

    DC– no mock draft this year? (you were always so good at it!)

  11. David Crockett

    Z: DC– no mock draft this year? (you were always so good at it!)

    Man, the only games I saw this year were Mizzou. I can tell you about English and Denmon, the other B12 guys, and that’s about it.

    I never even heard of Damian Lillard until this week.

  12. David Crockett

    I have really mixed feelings on Barnes. It’ll be interesting to see what he develops into.

  13. Z

    David Crockett: Man, the only games I saw this year were Mizzou. I can tell you about English and Denmon, the other B12 guys, and that’s about it.

    I never even heard of Damian Lillard until this week.

    Aww… Maybe THCJ is right… Maybe we should just turn this site over to Ruruland. You and Mike K have dropped out. Caleb and Owen aren’t around much…… Part of me actually misses the days of Frank Williams and Lee Nailon …

  14. Z

    I like this guys attempt with the bow tie, but why’d he choose a green motif, especially with the pin-striped blazer??

  15. David Crockett

    I wonder how much the Raps consider cultural fit? To a kid from Seattle, Canada doesn’t seem like the other side of the world.

  16. David Crockett

    I think Leonard has a better skill set than Zeller, but wasn’t coached AT ALL at Illinois.

  17. BigBlueAL

    If I remember correctly Monty actually started a decent amount of games his rookie year for the Knicks.

  18. David Crockett

    Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress
    Veteran NBA scout just texted me. “Most unpredictable draft I’ve seen in 30 years. We’ve been blowing smoke up each other’s asses for weeks”

  19. Z

    BigBlueAL:
    If I remember correctly Monty actually started a decent amount of games his rookie year for the Knicks.

    Yup. He was pretty solid his rookie season… Ah, the good ‘ol days :)

  20. David Crockett

    BigBlueAL:
    If I remember correctly Monty actually started a decent amount of games his rookie year for the Knicks.

    I don’t recall how many he started, but he played. He was explosive. Had a heart condition.

  21. BigBlueAL

    David Crockett: I don’t recall how many he started, but he played. He was explosive. Had a heart condition.

    Just looked it up, 41 games played with 23 starts. Pretty awful numbers though lol

  22. David Crockett

    Rivals.com ?@Rivals
    RT @TWalkerRivals: The Hornets have drafted the No.1 and No.2 players from the @Rivals 2011 rankings.

  23. Z

    BigBlueAL: Just looked it up, 41 games played with 23 starts.Pretty awful numbers though lol

    But the team did okay, and he played,so fuck the stats! (just like I’ll always think fondly of Landry, even if he’s out of the league in two…:)

  24. Z

    Judging from the highlight reels of the top 16, I don’t think the #48 will have much impact…

  25. David Crockett

    Royce White is a guy I saw a LOT.

    He’s a very interesting player. He’s super-wide. 6’8″ in shoes, but you need to take a cab around him. He’s a very skilled passer, almost no range on his shot. Think, a bigger, much more athletic version of Chuck Hayes.

  26. DRed

    “A tremendous student.” Not sure that’s what you want to hear them saying about your 1st round draft pick.

  27. David Crockett

    Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress
    Dallas takes Tyler Zeller, but trading the pick to Cleveland according to reports. Good move from the Cavs.

  28. DRed

    If Sullinger’s back isn’t wrecked there are going to be some dumb looking GMs in the future.

  29. David Crockett

    DRed:
    If Sullinger’s back isn’t wrecked there are going to be some dumb looking GMs in the future.

    Meh. Even healthy, I saw him as a solid rather than special prospect.

  30. David Crockett

    Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA
    Dallas will get picks 24, 33 and 34, source says, from Cleveland for Tyler Zeller.

  31. ess-dog

    People are mocking the Waiters pick but based on his #s he looks like one of the best swingmen available, right there with Beal.
    Not sure about that Zeller trade though.

  32. DRed

    He’s better than Tyler Zeller.

    I’m not saying he’s going to be all-nba, but I think he’ll be a solid big man.

  33. jon abbey

    David Crockett: Meh. Even healthy, I saw him as a solid rather than special prospect.

    yeah, agreed.

    surprised with Waiters at 4, I would have gone with Robinson or maybe even Barnes there. seems like Cleveland is getting Zeller too, though, and he’s the rare seven footer I actually like.

  34. David Crockett

    I don’t wanna dog the kid because he’s good.

    I just think he’s a pick-and-pop player that doesn’t guard, at least he didn’t in college. Now, he fits with what the C’s do. Nice pick by them, assuming they keep it.

  35. Robtachi

    DRed:
    If you could combine fab melo and Sullinger you’d have a great player.

    You’d still have a guy who can’t rebound as well as a 6’11” guy should, and lacks the elite scoring ability to make up for it.

  36. d-mar

    So when the Knicks play Boston next season, are the announcers gonna say “Melo, to the basket, blocked by Melo”? I guess as usual, it would just be all about Melo (-:

  37. jon abbey

    Robtachi:
    Is the crowd booing Stern at every pick? Because that would be hilarious.

    yes, good move to hold the draft in a city that just lost its team.

  38. Robtachi

    rohank:
    Does Stern ENJOY getting booed??? WTF is wrong with him?

    He thinks putting on a smile will endear him to the fans.

    Nope, we still think you’re an incompetent boob.

  39. David Crockett

    What seems to go unsaid with PJ3 is that he was hardly coached in college. Scott Drew is horrible.

  40. BigBlueAL

    According to Hollinger Quincy Miller and Draymond Green are 1st round players still on the board.

  41. jon abbey

    DRed:
    Good for the fans for relentlessly booing Stern.

    arguably the best thing about this NBA season, and I’m a LeBron fan.

  42. ess-dog

    Some of these teams are really over-thinking things. They should really just go best available on Draft Express…

  43. David Crockett

    Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress
    At #36 Sacramento takes Orlando Johnson. Pick traded to Orlando. Physically developed wing with long arms and a nice stroke. Ready to play.

  44. David Crockett

    Khris Middleton (Texas A&M) to Portland. That was one of about 3 guys I had my eye on for NYKs.

    Classic case of a guy who declared because he got hurt.

  45. jon abbey

    they almost definitely need a guard, the only healthy guard under contract pending Lin is the remnants of Toney Douglas.

  46. jon abbey

    “Papanikolaou is a draft-and-stash prospect. He won’t be in the NBA for at least one more season.”

    UGH

  47. BigBlueAL

    For whatever its worth Hollinger tweeted he liked the pick because his euro stats translate well.

  48. DRed

    He’s got solid stats. Seems like a good rebounder for a small forward, never turns the ball over, but he doesn’t seem like he’s a good shooter yet. Still, he’s 21 and playing real minutes on one of the best teams in Europe, and scouting reports say he’s a good defender. I give it a meh+

  49. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i cant believe this pick!!!!

    first we need immediate help at the point. Machado would have been perfect since he is a pass first pg. the only way i don’t see this blowing up in the knicks face if is and it a big IF is if he goes undrafted.

    second thing is the only reason you pick a sf who you wont get in 3 years if your the knicks is if you believe your star player melo will not be here. its a dumbtarted draft pick since his rookie year will be when melo might be on his way out and your trying to keep him. another thing is he will be 24 at that time like i said dumbtarted.

    enough venting i just gotta say i miss Donnie Walsh smh.

  50. thenamestsam

    Initial reaction was frustration, but upon further review a draft and stash guy makes a lot of sense for us. Assuming we win the arbitration appeal our rotation is basically stocked. Lin, Shump, jr, melo, amare, Tyson, Novak, and mini-mid level veteran X. That’s 8 guys there plus jorts, fields and maybe Jeffries. Would Buford (for example) really have played over any of those guys? We would have been drafting a 12th man, so stashing someone makes good sense.

  51. johnlocke

    BIG assumption….we could have used a guard

    thenamestsam:
    Initial reaction was frustration, but upon further review a draft and stash guy makes a lot of sense for us. Assuming we win the arbitration appeal our rotation is basically stocked. Lin, Shump, jr, melo, amare, Tyson, Novak, and mini-mid level veteran X. That’s 8 guys there plus jorts, fields and maybe Jeffries. Would Buford (for example) really have played over any of those guys? We would have been drafting a 12th man, so stashing someone makes good sense.

  52. Jake S.

    Not to go all WFAN-stupid on this thread, but has anyone ever been successfully stashed abroad? Tiago Splitter? It’s the only name I can think of off the top of my head.

  53. BigBlueAL

    Jake S.:
    Not to go all WFAN-stupid on this thread, but has anyone ever been successfully stashed abroad? Tiago Splitter? It’s the only name I can think of off the top of my head.

    Ricky Rubio!! lol

  54. Robtachi

    Jake S.:
    Not to go all WFAN-stupid on this thread, but has anyone ever been successfully stashed abroad? Tiago Splitter? It’s the only name I can think of off the top of my head.

    I hear that Ricky Rubio guy isn’t bad.

  55. max fisher-cohen

    i dunno. It suggests that management has some patience. This are the types of picks that if you make enough of them you end up with a great team. It’s the difference between buying a scratch off lotto tickets with your excess $s and investing them. Did we really think a #48 pick would be better next year than a minimum salary vet?

    Who cares what position he plays. He’s got the potential to become much more of an asset than the jerome jordan type players you usually end up with at the end of the draft.

  56. Robtachi

    Jake S.:
    Not to go all WFAN-stupid on this thread, but has anyone ever been successfully stashed abroad? Tiago Splitter? It’s the only name I can think of off the top of my head.

    Serge Ibaka, Rudy Fernandez, Manu Ginobili, Luis Scola, Hedo Turkoglu…

  57. Jake S.

    Robtachi: Serge Ibaka, Rudy Fernandez, Manu Ginobili, Luis Scola, Hedo Turkoglu…

    OK, now I’m sated. Fingers crossed Machado gets an invitation to training camp.

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