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Friday, February 22, 2019

New York Knicks 92 – Charlotte Hornets 101 – Game Recap

For the third time in a row, our Knicks couldn’t reach the triple-digit threshold, and for the second game straight they looked like they could finally pull it off. This time it was a very, very close game until the end of the third quarter, when the two teams were perfectly tied at 71. From there on, our guys kept on misfiring while the Hornets suddenly caught fire from three, and the game was suddenly over thanks to a flurry of Malik Monk trifectas and a few inspired minutes from an unusually lethargic Kemba. Good minutes from Parker and Willy (miss ya) were the icing on the cake for Charlotte.

With Frank sidelined by a groin injury, Kadeem Allen was called up (he’s the recipient of the two-way contract vacated by Trier signing his NBA contract) and was promptly given 18 minutes. I’m not complaining about it, actually I liked it. The thing is, you realize you’re not at rock bottom of a tanking season when you’re actually happy to see a 26 year old former second round pick on the court because you don’t have to watch Burke and Hardaway chuck their way into oblivion. Actually Hardaway didn’t play that bad last night (even 10 boards for him!), but he’s definitely gone into post 2012/13 Melo territory, where you realize he’s the most talented “scorer” you have in your roster but can’t stand to watch him more than a few sparse minutes here and there. This concept fully evolved in my mind while watching this game into a system I called F.A.T.A.L., which stands for Future attractiveness, Actual attractiveness, Tradeabilitly, Aid for the tank and Laughingstock appeal. Since these games don’t have a lot to talk about (especially when your best and most exciting player gets only 13 minutes of play for who knows what reason), let’s examine the guys on our roster through their F.A.T.A.L. scores. If a guy scores more than 28 at F.A.T.A.L., you might find it easier to root for him when he’s on the court.

Before doing that, let’s take a look at how every category is graded:

Future attractiveness: the name says it all. It doesn’t matter if your guy’s young and unproven but has a lot of potential, or if he’s already a star in the making. What matters is how good you predict he will be in three years, more or less. For reference: 1 is Vince Carter/Dirk Nowitzki, 10 is Luka/Zion.

Actual attractiveness: again, the name says it all. How good’s your guy now? 1: Cameron Payne; 10: Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Tradeability: a lot of factors here. The contract is in play as much as the actual skillset and position on the floor. 1: pre-stretch provision Joakim Noah; 10: pretty much every real max player on a long contract plus a few rookie scale contracts where the guys are really good. Let’s say Anthony Davis to stay in the moment.

Aid for the tank: how badly is your guy contributing to the misfortune of his team? This time the scale is inverted as not to mix apples and oranges, so 1 is a good aid for the tank (think LaVine) and 10 is terrible aid for the tank (John Collins?). This category is hard to value for non-tanking teams, but it’s pretty clear that, I don’t know, Pascal Siakam would get 10 nonetheless.

Laughingstock appeal: is your guy prone to at least elicit a burst of laughter in a dreary stretch of games? The scale here is not inverted, as goofy entertaiment is still entertainment, but it’s reduced from 1 to 5. 1: Chris Paul or whatever boring guy you can think of. 5: prime JaVale McGee and/or JR Smith.

Now, with that laid on the table, let’s examine the guys who played last night and the ones we have on the injured/useless list.

Trey Burke:

Future Attractiveness: 3. A 29 year old welterweight back-up point guard who’s apparently not able to run basic sets must be all the rage in 2022 NBA.
Actual Attractiveness: 4. A 26 year old welterweight back-up poing guard who’s apparently able to hit a few midrange shots might be a tad more helpful to fringe playoff teams.
Tradeability: 6. His contract is very team-friendly, and he’s probably one of the most tradeable guys we have on our roster because of that.
Aid for the tank: 3. He’s not as bad as other guys, but his inability to propel anyone on offense if not himself and his size on defense are not a winning formula.
Laughingstock appeal: 2. Without his cornrows and with his relatively newfound faith, he looks pretty boring.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 18.

Tim Hardaway Jr:

Future Attractiveness: 5. A 29 year old Jamal Crawford sixth man type should stick in the league for a while, maybe even helping actual fringe contenders.
Actual Attractiveness: 5. A 26 year old Jamal Crawford sixth man type should be useful. The problem’s in the contract (and consequent role in the team), not in his overall play.
Tradeability: 3. Again, the problem is the contract, and the trade kicker. Yeah, he’s “officially” on the trade block. Fun fact: I’m “officially” in search of a job in the USA, but that doesn’t mean I will likely breathe American air soon. Actually, I’m “officially” in that position since 2008, so…
Aid for the tank: 4. Timmy’s not a tank commander anymore. He’s just a mediocre usage soaking placeholder.
Laughingstock appeal: 3. I think Timmy’s an underrated comedic rant guy. I wish they would mic him up, I found his recent bitching promising.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 20.

Kevin Knox:

Future Attractiveness: 6. Mayyyybe he’ll reach average efficiency by year 22, becoming a good tertiary piece. Or maybe he will bust out of the league after having changed three teams. Dunno.
Actual Attractiveness: 3. A starting wing who’s posting negative WS/48 and highly negative BPM (-5.9) has only his young age and a few high-scoring games as reasons to like him.
Tradeability: 7. He’s a rookie lottery pick and he’s scoring in double figures. That’s all it takes to convince a GM it makes sense to trade for him.
Aid for the tank: 1. See “actual attractiveness”. He’s a master tank commander right now.
Laughingstock appeal: 3. He looks always half asleep, but his confused drives and awkward floaters are exactly at the edge between “morbidly funny” and “absolute cringe”.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 20.

Lance Thomas:

Future Attractiveness: 1. The most likely guy in the whole league to stick around only as a chemist, the role Bill Simmons invented for Royal Ivey. A guy who doesn’t contribute anything on the court but makes everything run smoothly in the locker room.
Actual Attractiveness: 2. It would be a 1, if not for the fact that him starting makes it possible not to play Enes.
Tradeability: 3. He’s essentially an expiring contract, could be good for matching salaries purpose.
Aid for the tank: 2. Lance can’t even be super bad. He’s mediocre even at being bad.
Laughingstock appeal: 4. The guy seems a serious professional. The player is an uncoordinated mess who looks like a mix between a lamppost and a housewife doing a botched impression of a whirling dervish. It’s impossible not to laugh at his spin moves. He’s also easy to build funny metaphors around.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 12.

Noah Vonleh:

Future Attractiveness: 7. A mini Draymond Green (if this is not a contract year phenomenon) will be very useful in his prime in 2022.
Actual Attractiveness: 6. His recent slump shouldn’t take away anything from the fact that he’s a solid player.
Tradeability: 6. This is one of the cases where having a short contract makes it harder to trade the guy, especially because he’s at the minimum so it’s pretty much impossibile to retain him with non-Bird rights. Still, he might be in demand around the league for teams looking to shore up their frontcourt with solid if unspectacular guys.
Aid for the tank: 6. I don’t think he could be bad enough this season to really be a tank factor even if he wanted to. He helped the tank anyway in a few games via fouling and/or turning the ball over.
Laughingstock appeal: 2. I find him a bit blah on this. He actually fits the part of an old-school guy.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 27.

Allonzo Trier:

Future Attractiveness: 6. He’s an old rookie. In 2022 he’ll be 26. It’s unlikely the finished product will be better that what it is now, but it still looks like a capable NBA player.
Actual Attractiveness: 7. Yes, old, but still a rookie. It feels good when a first-year guy is even slightly productive (if his role was full-time PG, this grade would take a nosedive to 4). A bonus point for the fact that he’s the only guy who can find Mitch for a lob.
Tradeability: 7. An even better version of the Trey Burke contract for a better level of production.
Aid for the tank: 5. If he plays off the ball, he’s not a tank factor. If he plays PG, he’s a tank feldmarschall
Laughingstock appeal: 2. I don’t find anything about Trier funny. Maybe the fact that he looks like a cross between Pharrell Williams and Sam Cassell? Bonus point for the Twitter blunder.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 27.

Damyean Dotson:

Future Attractiveness: 6. If you hit 38% of your threes and don’t turn the ball over you’ll always have a spot in a rotation.
Actual Attractiveness: 5. Maybe 5 is low, but he’s on an extended slump where he doesn’t score a lot and doesn’t rebound well.
Tradeability: 8. His contract is ultra team-friendly. Apart from our 2019 1st and Mitch, he’s our best sweetener.
Aid for the tank: 5. He’s so average that he can neither help nor hinder the tank.
Laughingstock appeal: -1. I can’t overlook the alleged accusations. I’m sorry.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 23.

Mario Hezonja:

Future Attractiveness: 1. Does anyone really think that in 2022 Hezonja will still be in the NBA?
Actual Attractiveness: 3. His rare bursts of good basketball are too few to think it’s a good thing to have him on the court. A bonus point for the Giannis stepover.
Tradeability: 3. He’s an expiring, which counts for something.
Aid for the tank: 1. When he was starting, he was an amazing tank officer.
Laughingstock appeal: 4. I like his banters with Kanter (which brings to my attention the strange fact that Clyde never rhymed Kanter with banter).
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 12.

Mitchell Robinson:

Future Attractiveness: 8. You can’t look at him without thinking he has at least a 25% chance to become the next best rim-running big man in the League. At worst, he’ll be a Chandler-lite at 23.
Actual Attractiveness: 9. Bonus point for being a rookie. I wish NBA League Pass had an option where you could select a guy and it would show you only the portions of the game where that guy was on the floor. I wouldn’t use it this season because I have to write things, but I would certainly recommend it to everyone.
Tradeability: 10. His contract is absurdly very team-friendly, and he’s posting absurd advanced stats.
Aid for the tank: 4. Fouls too much and doesn’t rebound enough.
Laughingstock appeal: 3. I think he will become a very funny guy. Right now I like the faces he makes out of frustration when he fouls out.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 34.

Emmanuel Mudiay:

Future Attractiveness: 4. As a 26 year old back-up point guard, maybe you could do worse. Not sure, but there’s a chance.
Actual Attractiveness: 4. Until last year I would have said he was a 2. Baby steps!
Tradeability: 6. He’s an expiring young PG with Bird-rights attached and a soon to be RFA. A savvy front office would be calling everyone to trade him away and it wouldn’t be that hard.
Aid for the tank: 2. If not for his improved, if unsusteinable, midrange shooting, he’d be the definitive tank commander. As it is he’s bad enough to make up for his semi-efficiency to be offset by his terrible defense and inability to involve other guys consistently.
Laughingstock appeal: 2. I can only see sadness when I look at Mud, even during his 30-point outings.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 16.

Frank Ntilikina:

Future Attractiveness: 5. At least three bonus points for defense and some hope he’ll fix his three point shot. If I had to guess his future only from his offensive ability, he’d be a nice backup in the French second division.
Actual Attractiveness: 4. Only because he’s young, enjoys playing defense and we picked him. He shows glimpses, but I’m afraid that he’s too unathletic to really pan out.
Tradeability: 6. Former lottery pick, contract not that big. Fairly easy to trade away (for a bag of beans, but still).
Aid for the tank: 3. I think he’s actually a bit better than Mudiay, even with all his flaws. People seem to play a bit more focused around him.
Laughingstock appeal: 2. He had a few funny turnovers, and that’s all.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 21.

Luke Kornet:

Future Attractiveness: 7. If Matt Bullard played until 34 in a League that wasn’t as perimeter oriented as it is now, Kornet will be a nice commodity for a few years.
Actual Attractiveness: 5. He’s definitely not a starting-caliber center. He’s also a weak rebounder.
Tradeability: 6. Expiring, but without Bird rights.
Aid for the tank: 5. I actually think he would have been instrumental to a few wins if not for the personnel around him.
Laughingstock appeal: 3. Again, goofy is funny.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 26.

Enes Kanter:

Future Attractiveness: 6. If he accepts the fact that he’s not gonna get paid and he’s not gonna start, he’ll be useful until his late thirties. His game doesn’t age.
Actual Attractiveness: 5. He’s in the wrong situation, in the wrong city, in the wrong decade. A bonus point for fighting that lunatic Erdogan.
Tradeability: 3. Expiring, but no chance in hell that he’ll get traded for anything valuable.
Aid for the tank: 3. Great numbers, horrible defense. He was also actively stunting the development of a few pieces.
Laughingstock appeal: 4. “Watch me being selected for the All-Star Game!”.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 18.

Kadeem Allen: INC (“Is it good that two two-way contract players in the same season look better than your 2017 lottery pick? Discuss”)

Courtney Lee:

Future Attractiveness: 1. I think this is his last contract.
Actual Attractiveness: 3. Solid veteran. Nothing else.
Tradeability: 2. Thanks Phil!
Aid for the tank: 5. He’s not good for the tank, but he’s not good for anything as of now.
Laughingstock appeal: 2. A good professional. Bonus point for the old “dumb and dumberer” tweet about Ron Baker starting in his place in 2017.
Final F.A.T.A.L. score: 13.

And that’s your F.A.T.A.L. chart:

Mitch 34
Trier 27
Vonleh 27
Kornet 26
Dotson 23
Ntilikina 21
Knox 20
THJ 20
Burke 18
Kanter 18
Mudiay 16
Lee 13
Hezonja 12
Thomas 12

I think it works!

And now on to see how Luka (F.A.T.A.L. score: 42) will ruthlessly shred our pathetic defense.

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99 comments on “New York Knicks 92 – Charlotte Hornets 101 – Game Recap

  1. Nick C.

    It must be really hard to continue to be creative when the actual game conversation is so bleech. Thanks and keep up the great work.

  2. Farfa Post author

    Well, yes, it is a bit. Thankfully after the Dallas game I’ll go three days to Sardinia to detox a bit XD.

  3. Zanzibar

    Heh, Farfa kept us starved of grades so far and then fire hosed us. Me like.

    Boston has a unique backchannel: Irving. Irving and Davis maintain a close friendship: “Kyrie and Anthony Davis are boys,” former NBA forward and NBC Sports Boston analyst Brian Scalabrine told The Crossover NBA podcast. “I think they text like every day.” Irving would be a powerful recruiter next summer. – via Sports Illustrated

    Maybe their plan is to join each other on the Knicks not the Celtics. Kyrie’s max isn’t *that* high so we should be able to accommodate both.

    I know Lakers are the prohibitive favorites but remember LA was the favorite of Kawhi and PG and look what happened there. So long as AD agrees to sign an extension this summer if traded to the Knicks, there’s nothing to worry about. And if you’re gonna lose a top 3 player, KP would be the best replacement in terms of generating buzz and revenue for the Pels. KP and one of Knox/2019 pick should prob be enough. None of the Lakers players have KP’s star appeal and NO wants its fans to watch the games.

  4. Owen

    Well, we beat their first unit and got run off the floor by their bench. The Malik Monk game.

    Good cap Farfa, fighting the good fight. Enjoy Sardinia, on my bucket list with Sicily.

  5. thenoblefacehumper

    Great work with very little to work with, Farfa.

    Shams is reporting that Lonzo wants to go to a 3rd team without an established point guard in any AD deal. I doubt the Lakers and/or Pelicans would want to accommodate that as a favor to him, but if it could be made beneficial to them they’d consider it. So I was thinking of ways we could get Lonzo to the Knicks on the cheap. Here’s what I came up with:

    Knicks receive: Lonzo Ball, Solomon Hill, Lance Stephenson
    Lakers receive: Anthony Davis, Damyean Dotson
    Pelicans receive: Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, Enes Kanter, and whatever pick package they can work out with the Lakers

    The Knicks would have to punt on free agency this summer due to the Hill contract (unless they can move Lee and THJ for expirings…) but getting Lonzo for Dotson would represent damn good value in my eyes. The question is would New Orleans do the deal? I have no idea what their plan is going forward but since they’re at constant risk of relocation they might not want to go full teardown mode, and thus sticking with Holiday might make more sense than going with Lonzo.

    I also don’t know if the Lakers want to give up all 4 of those guys, but I mean, they aren’t particularly good so I’m inclined to think they pull the trigger if it’s the difference between AD and no AD.

  6. Owen

    I wouldn’t mind seeing the Lonzo to Mitch Lob connection.

    I think Lonzo will come right. Talent is there.

  7. ptmilo

    there is no way in hell new orleans gives ball away in that deal for dotson and $13 million of 2020 money. even if they felt forced to find a third team they’d find a better deal than that.

    edit: i know the lakers are technically getting dotson but dotson has like 2nd round pick trade value he is all but irrelevant

  8. Dough Chew [dolan pls]

    Really enjoyed this recap, Farfa. It reminds me of Shea Serrano’s Disrespectful Dunk Index, and Shea is one of my favorite writers.

  9. mase

    Nice recap Farfa, your like 10-10, efg% through the roof!
    I had a lot fun for a summer in Sardinia, some beautiful topless women on those beaches.

    do we want Lamar in NY?

  10. thenamestsam

    From Woj’s piece this morning:

    After agent Rich Paul of Klutch Sports told ESPN on Monday that he had informed the Pelicans that Davis wouldn’t sign an extension this summer and wanted a trade, multiple league sources expect the agent and star to soon deliver word throughout the league that Davis’ preferred destination is the Lakers and he’ll become a rental player until 2020 with a trade anywhere else.

    That goes a long way to solidify the seeming logic of leaking the trade request now (to try to make the trade happen with the Lakers). Should also pretty much end any Knicks chatter since we can’t possibly have any interest given the price without a total guarantee that he’s locking up here long-term and it sounds like at best we’d be fighting an uphill battle on that front.

  11. Farfa Post author

    It reminds me of Shea Serrano’s Disrespectful Dunk Index

    Well, of course it was influenced by Serrano’s writing :)

    do we want Lamar in NY?

    I don’t know, but I’d take Lonzo if we didn’t have to sacrifice too much.

  12. Farfa Post author

    without a total guarantee that he’s locking up here long-term and it sounds like at best we’d be fighting an uphill battle on that front.

    I know we don’t have a Westbrook in tow, but Paul George sez hai.

    It’s all about what you give up for him. KP and next season’s #1 (with what we know now about the draft, which means Zion or semi-bust)? I might actually consider it. KP, Mitch, Trier, Knox? No sir.

    That said, I really think there’s no chance at all that we land AD, so it’s really a futile exercise.

  13. ClashFan

    @11
    Would that necessarily stop Mills and Co. from pursuing a trade for AD? You’d think so, but…

  14. ess-dog

    I think it would have to be more like Ball for KP. But idk if we want that, and idk if KP would ever sign an extension with NO.

  15. ClashFan

    I guess what I fear is that AD’s desire to play in LA scares off the other teams except the Knicks. If LA overplays its hand and plays hardball, and Mills and Co. offer KP, the 2019 pick, and salary match (THJ?), they might bite, figuring that’s as good as they are going to get?

    Yeah, probably still a long shot, but there’s already reported interest by the Knicks.

  16. thenamestsam

    I know we don’t have a Westbrook in tow, but Paul George sez hai. It’s all on what you give up for him. KP and next season’s #1 (with what we know now about the draft, which means Zion or semi-bust)? I might actually consider it. KP, Mitch, Trier, Knox? No sir

    Sure I understand that him posturing to go to the Lakers now doesn’t make it set in stone but the key to the PG deal (as well as the Kawhi trade) was that they made deals where even if the guys left after one season those trades were not disasters (at the time – the PG one could’ve ended up looking awfully bad given Oladipo’s emergence had PG bolted). In both cases the price was quite depressed by the belief that those guys were ticketed for LA, but more critically in my eyes those teams were in great position to take advantage of the one guaranteed year since both teams were set to be very competitive for that season. Both teams were looking at pivot points either way as well so there was real downside mitigation.

    Even if the first criteria ends up being met here(i.e. price is significantly reduced due to perception it’s a pure rental) the second one never will be. With this proposed Knicks trade the downside is completely different. If we whiff in Free Agency and Davis heads to the Lakers next year then dealing “just” Porzingis and a first rounder for a single chase at the 8th seed is a total train wreck. I absolutely adore Davis and I’d trade Porzingis and this year’s first for him tomorrow provided he would agree to an extension, but you just can’t do it unless you’re very, very sure he’s staying long-term.

  17. Farfa Post author

    offer KP, the 2019 pick, and salary match (THJ?), they might bite, figuring that’s as good as they are going to get

    Then again, for pure dialectic purposes, isn’t AD better than KP and a 14% chance at Zion?

  18. Hubert

    If NO HAS to move AD and he wants to come here, isn’t MRobinson and this year’s #1 better than any pu-pu plater that LA can possibly offer? M. Rob is also controlled for 4 years at the minimum and is a local.

    Putting aside the fact that even I can’t imagine AD wanting to come here, I actually do think you’re right that we can top LA’s package. I don’t think just those two is enough but Robinson + Knox + our unprotected #1 seems better than anything LA will offer (especially with Ball already making it clear he’d want to be traded)? And if I could dump Tim Hardaway in the trade, I might actually pull the trigger on that if I’m the Knicks.

    On a separate note, I’ve come around and have to admit that Boston really probably does have the best package. If I were New Orleans I’d take Tatum + Williams + Brown + 2 of their firsts this year. But I would then immediately flip Brown’s overrated ass to a team with a young player I’d actually want.

  19. Owen

    Yeah, was about to post the Ringer article. Makes the somewhat obvious yet necessary point that Zion should be getting the ball about 100% more than he currently is.

    That’s college basketball though, just an exercise in prospect marketing.

  20. Farfa Post author

    I absolutely adore Davis and I’d trade Porzingis and this year’s first for him tomorrow provided he would agree to an extension, but you just can’t do it unless you’re very, very sure he’s staying long-term.

    I think AD is really a transformative talent. If you look at the rosters he had around him in all of his years in NO they’re very badly built. Not that ours would be much better, but experience teaches you that when you have a legit superstar you might start trading away some of your prospects for grumpy stars in other markets. Not saying it’s going to happen (it’s not), but picture this:

    AD to NY for KP, THJ and 2019 1st

    At that point it makes sense to trade, I don’t know, Lee and a 2021 1st for cap relief to someone (Jeremy Lin in Atlanta?).

    You now have the requisite space to sign a second star. I’d lean onto Kyrie at that point, but Durant, Kemba or even that Butler asshole would be welcome anyway.

    Now you scout around to see if some youngsters could net you a good tertiary piece. Let’s say you don’t find any.

    2019/20 lineup:

    Kyrie
    Dotson
    Knox
    Davis
    Robinson

    Frank
    Trier
    Token veteran SF or second round pick
    Token veteran PF – I highly doubt it’s Vonleh
    Maybe Kornet?

    I know it’s too much dependent on youth development, but that’s what we have, and I wouldn’t be upset to field such a team. That’s of course contingent on the fact that our 1st only has the 14% probability to land Zion, who’s the only one as of now who can change the destiny of a franchise. I’d roll the dice willingly.

  21. Hubert

    I’ll go three days to Sardinia to detox a bit

    Must be nice. I had a girlfriend from Calabria once. She took me there and to other parts of southern Italy. Unfortunately she was Calabrian, so I couldn’t deal with her long enough to see Sardinia or anywhere else. But it was a great summer.

  22. vincoug

    what would be an overpay for AD, just curious?

    And future 1st round pick after next season. That’s when AD’s contract is up and I think there’s virtually no chance he’d resign with us. So we’d immediately go back to being terrible and we’ll have traded, possibly multiple, lottery picks.

  23. thenamestsam

    Farfa, I can’t deny that the upside is there with trading for him – that’s crystal clear. There are worlds in which it makes us at least a fringe title contender as soon as next year and where we’re set up for a real five year run as legit contenders. That’s what we’ve all been dreaming about for the last two decades. But you can’t just ignore that he’s already floating that he wants to be in LA. Is Kyrie coming here knowing that Davis has already threatened to leave in 12 months? Is any free agent? And if we aren’t able to make big moves this summer what’s the fallback plan? Do we really think we have any hope to resign him in that situation? Are you looking to move him again before next year’s deadline?

  24. Farfa Post author

    Must be nice.

    It’s quite undescribable. Southern Sardinia has the best beaches I’ve ever seen (and I traveled quite a bit). I guess only Maldives and a few other select places all over the world have better beaches, and I’m not so sure.

    And the food! I come from one of the most food-renowned regions in Italy, but Sardinia is in entirely another category. The fish is heavenly (never eaten better fish, like never ever ever ever. Not even in Japan). The meat is amazing. Their wines are strong but sweet. The variety of food is overwhelming.

    In short: visit Sardinia at least once in your life. And avoid Northern Sardinia, where prices are much higher and the experience is not that authentic. Last tip: go in April or late September/October. During summer there are too many people and the prices are even higher.

  25. chrisk06811

    Here’s my overly optimistic question. Lets say our team next year is:
    Starters: KP, Mitch, Knox. the dude we sign. the dude we draft
    Bench: Frank, Dotson, THJ, Vonleh, Kornet, some other crap.

    So, my question is like, say your closer is hurt and everyone in the bullpen moves up a rung, and you suffer. then when he comes back, everyone moves down, less is expected, etc. This is so unscientific

    So, lets say instead of Timmy / Knox being focals of the offense next year, they are 3rd/4th options. Lets say Frank becomes a D-first wing. not expected to score. So…..are these guys then useful cogs? I feel like i need a hug.

  26. Sir Robin

    Hubert-i’m half Calabrese, so if this is a joke, i don’t find it funny, i find it disrespectful. I do respectfully ask you to take that back. There’s good and bad in all people. And maybe she couldn’t deal with you simply because of where you’re from. See how bad that sounds?

  27. Farfa Post author

    @26

    I actually think we don’t have any chance to land him, as I said before. But a 50-win season with many young pieces in New York is enough to sway pretty much anyone, I guess.

    what would be an overpay for AD, just curious?

    Any combination of “KP+2019 1st”, “Mitch”, “future first(s)”. Everything else is pretty much on the table. If we keep KP and the 2019 1st, I’m ok giving away Mitch and two more rookie-scale players and maybe a pick but no more than a future lottery-protected first.

  28. TheOakmanCometh

    Keep in mind that if we traded for AD, we’d win some games and move into the #4 lottery spot, which only carries a 12.5% chance at Zion. So that pick becomes slightly less valuable.

  29. Farfa Post author

    i’m half Calabrese

    May I ask from where? I had two Calabrese girlfriends in the past, from the area around Vibo Valentia. Capo Vaticano is another stunning beach.

  30. DRed

    We’re so shitty and talent poor that there’s basically nothing we can trade for Davis that would be a bad deal. Davis is a real deal superstar at the start of his prime. I probably wouldn’t trade the #1 pick for Davis if I was the Knicks, but we only have a 14% chance at that pick.

  31. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    When Lebron loses with Anthony Davis will we be able to put the GOAT debate to rest.

  32. TheOakmanCometh

    Since the four tanking teams lose every game in which they’re not playing each other, I checked how many games each one has against other tankers.

    Bulls: 3
    Cavs and Suns: 4
    Knicks: 5

    So the Knicks are in the worst position because we have the most games against god awful teams. Which could drop us to fourth and a 12.5% chance at Zion and a 42% chance at picking 6th or 7th.

  33. Jack Bauer

    The only reason the Knicks are thrown in the AD sweepstakes conversation is to drive the price up.

    C’mon, we’ve seen this movie before. There’s no real chance he’s being traded to or signing with New York.

  34. Owen

    Browmaggedon has been plainly visible on the horizon for about three years. If we had hired Masai or, I don’t know Jerry West, instead of Phil, we might have actually been prepared for it. Ridiculous thought I know but that’s all I am thinking right now. He’s not coming here, I know that.

    Re: Lebron losing with AD. Don’t think there will be any shame in losing to GS this year.

  35. thenamestsam

    Since the four tanking teams lose every game in which they’re not playing each other, I checked how many games each one has against other tankers.

    Bulls: 3
    Cavs and Suns: 4
    Knicks: 5

    So the Knicks are in the worst position because we have the most games against god awful teams. Which could drop us to fourth and a 12.5% chance at Zion and a 42% chance at picking 6th or 7th.

    On the other hand you could look at it in a positive sense and say we control our own destiny more than any of the other tankers. If we were to heroically lose all 5 of those games we’d be in fantastic shape.

  36. swiftandabundant

    A couple of thoughts about AD.

    Why wouldn’t AD resign with us if we’re one of the few teams he’s saying he wants to be traded to?

    AD on The Knicks with cap space in NYC playing in a weaker Eastern Conference is a MUCH different situation than AD on a capped out Pelicans team in the Western Conference. The Pelicans are not going to draw big time free agents. I think superstars can attract other superstars but its not equal for every team. Would Lebron and Bosh have teamed up with Wade if he was playing for Charlotte and not Miami? Would KD join The Warriors if they were the same team in Memphis? New York City is still New York City and The Knicks are a historic franchise. If we have cap space to add another top 10 player to our team to pair with AD, that is going to be something other star players will definitely think about.

    This ain’t Melo. AD is 2 years younger than Melo was when he was traded here. He’s also a legit top 10 player whereas Melo was more like a top 25 player plus AD is a two way player, ie, actually good on defense.

    It seems like the price to pay for these types of trades has gone down a bit from The Melodrama days. I’m sure it wouldn’t be cheap to get AD but I don’t think its gonna cost quite as much as it did to get Melo because A) hopefully we learned our lesson and B) overall it seems like the days of an absolute king’s ransom for a star player are over.

    Just my two cents. I think we should make a play for him but I won’t be sad if we don’t. I’m cool either way. I would offer one of KP or this year’s pick but not both. Hardaway and/or Lee must be a part of the trade in order to clear some cap for us.

  37. DRed

    We should definitely make a play for him, I just don’t understand how the Pelicans couldn’t get better offers from other teams.

  38. geo

    hopefully now that the story is out the pels will just move him…not that the lakers are some kind of super team – but, just seems a waste for AD to be playing in a small market on a very mediocre squad…plus – cuz i’m local – i’ll get to watch him play all the time :)

    at least giannis, who’s also playing in a small market, has a good team to play on…

    it’ll be interesting to see what the lakers give up to get him…

    rondo, lebron, davis, and who’s ever left would make for an interesting playoff team…

    hopefully kemba has the same mindset this summer and bolts the hive for msg…

    it’s crazy – like clockwork it seems every year around this time i start thinking about point guards…right now my hope would be: kemba, rubio, teague…of course if we draft morant – throw all that out the window…

    it just seems for a young team it would be very beneficial to have a veteran point guard…

  39. ptmilo

    it’s not hard to imagine a team willing to fade AD’s lakers threat. lebron will be 36 in 2021.

  40. JK47

    Call me crazy, but I have a hard time believing that Anthony Davis, tired of playing for a perennially shitty team, is gonna want to play for a different perennially shitty team.

  41. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Yeah. I mean I can imagine that he really wants to go to the Lakers. Or I can imagine the Lakers are being used to up the bargaining ante. Like everyone’s saying: there are teams (including us??? Imagine that!) that can put together better offers (not counting the Celtics, who have to wait until the summer).

    A question: so just because Davis asked to be traded, does that mean he needs to be traded now/before the deadline? Pellies have no immediate urgency: if I were their GM, and I wanted the absolute best value for Davis, I would wait until at least after the draft lottery in May to line up unofficial offers ahead of June.

    Needless to say, the one team that needs to bowl New Orleans over right now with a godfather offer is the Lakers.

  42. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    Davis to LA is probably already a done deal (other than the details). Lebron and his agent have been working on this for awhile. But setting that aside, if NY could swing Davis and also retain KP and cap space for another top tier free agent, there’s no reason he wouldn’t sign long term in NY. It might take an extra year to fill in some blanks and the bench (like the 76ers right now), but if you have two stars and space, the 3rd star will be easy. One you have three stars it gets harder to screw up.

  43. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    it’s not hard to imagine a team willing to fade AD’s lakers threat. lebron will be 36 in 2021.

    LeBron is going to be good until the day he retires, I think, but yeah, this is a serious issue. Players are so often in denial about age-based decline. Look at the Thunder stars praising Carmelo until it was clear he couldn’t play a lick. And then Paul and Harden pushing for him to join the Rockets until it was clear he couldn’t play a lick. The Rockets should have had their analytics department making a clear case that he was all but retired, yet their (incredibly smart) superstars seemed to be in denial about the reality that was so obvious to anyone with two eyes and a BBRef bookmark.

    LeBron is going to be an overpay someday, and sooner than most people might think. Davis could be on a supermax with a trade kicker and find that the depleted Lakers roster isn’t so much sunnier than New Orleans.

    Call me crazy, but I have a hard time believing that Anthony Davis, tired of playing for a perennially shitty team, is gonna want to play for a different perennially shitty team.

    Porzingis and Robinson are easily the best players on this team, so I would find it fitting if they traded Morant/Zion, Porzingis and Robinson for Davis, only to find themselves a 35-47 team with Davis walking for nothing in the summer of 2020. So it’s gotta happen. Has to.

  44. ess-dog

    If I’m Pels ownership, I want to get two “stars” back for AD instead of doing a full teardown. That team needs to bend over backwards to sell tickets (it’s literally the smallest media market in the NBA) and that means winning games. I would not deal with the Lakers unless there’s a great three-team trade on the table.

  45. thenamestsam

    it’s not hard to imagine a team willing to fade AD’s lakers threat. lebron will be 36 in 2021.

    Yeah that’s a good point that I haven’t heard discussed much in the general media reaction. Lebron has been such a freak of nature throughout his career that it feels sort of natural to assume he’ll last forever, but there’s a very real possibility that injuries and age related decline start catching up with him sooner rather than later. There’s definitely some value in betting on the idea that teaming up with him looks a lot less appealing 18 months from now. Although of course part of the appeal of being a Laker is independent of how good the team is in the immediate (as Lebron clearly showed).

  46. Hubert

    Call me crazy, but I have a hard time believing that Anthony Davis, tired of playing for a perennially shitty team, is gonna want to play for a different perennially shitty team.

    While I think there is a 1% chance of us acquiring him, there’s probably a 99% chance we’d sign Kyrie or Durant if we did, so we wouldn’t be shitty for long.

  47. Bruno Almeida

    The real issue is Davis might really be thinking about only re-signing with the Lakers. It worked out kinda for OKC but it was still a huge risk, if George decided to leave they’re in a pretty poor position now.

    I don’t know, i love Davis as a player, but it would make me a lot more comfortable to try to see where the lottery takes us. Unless of course he guarantees he’s re-signing with the Knicks, then you simply trade for him and figure out later.

  48. iserp

    I think it does not make sense for us to make a play for Davis now, our assets arent worth enough and we would have to throw everything in what probably would be a rental.

    We should wait till the offseason at that time when we know if Durant is signing with us (which would almost guarantee that Davis would sign an extension here) and if we landed Zion (which then we can beat other team offers).

    Let’s say the offseason comes, and miraculously Durant is signing here and we drafted Zion. We offer Zion+Knox+THJ for Davis to NO, can any other team beat that offer?

  49. d-mar

    But setting that aside, if NY could swing Davis and also retain KP

    I don’t think the Pelicans are considering any offer from us that doesn’t include KP

  50. ess-dog

    Davis naturally wants a top-5 media market and another star. That pretty much only leaves the Lakers, unless a really good team like the Raptors tries to rent-and-keep him like the Raps are doing with Kawhi. I wonder if Dallas would make Doncic available?

  51. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    The Knicks front office being intent on being a factor in the AD trade talks (as reported by Marc Stein) would be brilliant if they were willing to facilitate a trade to Los Angeles. It makes sure AD doesn’t go to Boston or Toronto and we might be able to move Tim Hardaway Jr while grabbing Lonzo Ball. I would hope that’s their angle.

  52. Hubert

    Davis could be on a supermax with a trade kicker and find that the depleted Lakers roster isn’t so much sunnier than New Orleans.

    I would hate to see Anthony Davis pull a Melo.

    At this point no NBA player at AD’s level should take more than a one year max with a player option until he’s either on a superteam like Curry is or he’s over 30 and signing his last contract like Durant is about to. Control over your situation seems much more valuable than more guaranteed money that you can probably get even if you suffer a Porzingis type injury.

  53. Sir Robin

    @32 Farfa: my mother was born in Motta Santa Lucia in Catanzaro province. I’ve never been there myself, although bucket list. Thanks for being kind enough to ask.

  54. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    I don’t think the Pelicans are considering any offer from us that doesn’t include KP

    That might be true, but I suspect AD won’t consider re-signing here without KP remaining. So our best hope is probably that this gets delayed and we win the Zion sweepstakes. Then we would have the choice of offering Zion plus some other assets for him or keeping Zion and going forward.

  55. swiftandabundant

    I see things a bit differently. KP and AD together would be intriguing, of course. But maybe AD just wants to join up with another star and that could be KP, Kyrie, Kawhi or KD. And if the Knicks trade KP for AD but also clear enough cap space to grab another star in free agency plus keep that pick this year…that might be MORE inticing than KD and KP, who is coming off a major injury.

    I think we have a better shot than most people here think we do. If its between us and The Lakers, we have by far the most attractive centerpieces to a trade (KP or our draft pick this year).

  56. thenoblefacehumper

    I wouldn’t even entertain a deal in which AD signing an extension wasn’t guaranteed and I’m surprised some people would. He’d be under contract for the rest of this season, which would literally be a bad thing for us, and the season after.

    Even if one of KD/Kawhi/Kyrie/Butler join him here this offseason, would that team (after the AD trade it’s hard to imagine it’d be anything more than 2 stars and 10 scrubs) really entice AD to stay here over Los Angeles? I guess no one can be sure, but it doesn’t seem like a risk worth gambling every single asset we have on.

    This is all null and void if the Pelicans are stupid enough to want, like, Knox and Frank or some shit, but if they want any 2 of our 3 total clearly positive assets (KP, Mitch, 2019 1RP) that would be a colossal risk. How do those usually work out for us?

  57. bobneptune

    I wouldn’t trade MR for Ball and his entourage ever. ….but I’m good at harness racing but not so good NBA GM….

  58. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    I’d have no problem trading Mitchell Robinson to his hometown New Orleans if it meant we got Lonzo Ball and that Anthony Davis never wore a Celtics jersey.

  59. GoNyGoNyGo

    I wouldn’t trade anything to get Ball and his dad. I wouldn’t sign him if he were a free agent. I wouldn’t want him playing pick up ball with anyone from my team in the summer. I would rather have a Kardashian date one of our players.

    Please shut down any thoughts of bringing Anthony Davis here with a trade. He won’t resign with a depleted team. Trading for him will deplete this team and set us back a decade. A trade for him will do less than the trade for Melo did for the Knicks. Next year we could have KP + 1 max FA + top 5 rookie. If 2 of the 5 freshmen and sophomores make the jump (MR learning not to foul, Frank becoming aggressive, Dotson steadily improve, Knox developing stamina), this team would be a solid playoff team in 2020. After a season like that, the team will be in a position to make that kind of move.

  60. DRed

    I’m a pretty big lonzo fan in general but a guard who shoots 40% from the ft line is super weird. I would probably be okay with offering our 2020 pick to NO for Lonzo, say top 5 protected. Lonzo is really good at a bunch of stuff but I have no idea if he’s ever going to put it together on offense

  61. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    A trade for him will do less than the trade for Melo did for the Knicks.

    100% agreement that the Knicks would be robbing Peter to pay Paul if they trade any decent asset (KP, Robinson, future picks) for Davis, even with assurance he’d re-sign (for a supermax worth a goddamn $46M AAV).

    But Melo? Anthony Davis has like a 9.0 BPM right now. Best in 3PT-era Knicks history is Patrick Ewing at 4.7 in ’89. Davis could be the best single player to put on a Knicks uniform (sorry Clyde) on day 1. He is a transcendent talent and I think you could make an argument that he would make any team in the league better by replacing their starting C right now. And there’s no shortage of dominant centers out there.

  62. bobneptune

    Whatever jersey AD wears should be of no concern to us. Whatever is best for the Knicks globally should be the only metric.

    That sort of logic nets you Jacoby Elsbury and Johnny Damon.

  63. geo

    I’m a pretty big lonzo fan in general but a guard who shoots 40% from the ft line is super weird. I would probably be okay with offering our 2020 pick to NO for Lonzo, say top 5 protected. Lonzo is really good at a bunch of stuff but I have no idea if he’s ever going to put it together on offense

    interesting comment that had me checking his stats…i’ve watched him play some this year…

    i don’t know…he has his offensive moments, but, his shot looks really unreliable; however, he plays defense, can rebound, create for other players…he’s also gonna make almost 9 million next year and 11 million the year after…

    at this point the dad is pretty much a non-issue…not sure if it’s lebron, magic or lonzo himself that quieted him down, but, he ain’t making too much noise these days…

    i realize it takes most point guards a few years in the league to really stand out – i don’t think i’d take lonzo over morant if the choice was there…

  64. thenamestsam

    But Melo? Anthony Davis has like a 9.0 BPM right now. Best in 3PT-era Knicks history is Patrick Ewing at 4.7 in ’89. Davis could be the best single player to put on a Knicks uniform (sorry Clyde) on day 1.

    I do think that some of the fans out there basically saying “lets get pretty good first and then do a deal like this” are slightly underestimating how rare it is that a guy truly of this caliber is available. There are “stars” available in trades every year but usually the ones you can trade for are either at a level that’s a notch below Davis or slightly distressed assets (like Kawhi coming off a lost season). True prime years of a guy with an established top 5-ish player level are very, very hard to come by.

  65. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I mean he’s definitely going to LA, so whatever. They have the young fake stars and don’t give a fuck about their 1RPs if they have Davis and a semi-functional LeBron. If they really are hurting for rookie-scale roster fillers they can buy late 1st rounders and 2nd rounders and grab decent role players from the plentiful shelf of 4-year NCAA studs who don’t provide enough “upside” to warrant a 1RP.

    I mean… that’s what they should do, but how many teams actually do that?

  66. geo

    anthony davis is a phenom, and, yet still – new orleans has two winning seasons out of the last seven that he’s been there…

  67. Jack Bauer

    “I don’t think the Pelicans are considering any offer from us that doesn’t include KP”

    Ok, then enjoy the poo poo platter of meh assets you will have to accept from the Lakers

  68. Owen

    It’s kind of crazy how little the Pelicans have gotten from the prime years of AD and Chris Paul. I hope they don’t end up trading ADvfor Zion -and ruin another HOF talents career.

  69. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    When Lebron puts up incredible individual stats in the playoffs with Anthony Davis at his side and loses in the playoffs a few more times I wonder if he’ll start wondering how he lost to a vastly inferior team like Dallas and a mostly over the hill gang like San Antonio along the way. He’s lucky Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving made amazing pressure shots and Draymond Green spontaneously combusted or he’d be 0-8 in the finals.

    On paper it’s an incredible combination and no doubt they will a ton of games on sheer superior talent. But I don’t think they will win a championship together and I’m not basing that entirely on the Warriors.

  70. Z-man

    In truly terrible news, Trae Young has been definitively diagnosed with early-onset dementia.

    Christ…. it is 5 AM and you scared the bejesus out of me :-) :-)

    lol got one!

  71. Z-man

    Trading for AD right now would be dumber than signing STAT and trading for Melo combined. The rebuild is finally going reasonably well and poof! gone.

  72. Bruno Almeida

    Davis is not the superstar I’d choose to build a team from scratch, because I believe that amongst the absolute top level, like top 5-8 players in the league, being able to create efficient shots at will is more valuable than what Davis brings to the table.

    That’s why he’s probably not really well suited to being the only superstar on a team, specially because there’s a ceiling to how much he, alone, can affect the game offensively. However, his game makes him absolutely perfect, at least theoretically, to play alongside a ball dominant superstar like LeBron, as he basically complements LeBron in everything he does well.

    I would say that’s my guess as to why the Pelicans have never won much with him and well, we also can’t ignore that they have drafted terribly and made numerous horrible decisions. That’s why I would not be comfortable with Davis being the only star in the Knicks, because he can’t play like Harden or Giannis and dominate the game in the way they do with lesser teammates. If you add Kyrie, Kawhi or KD to the mix though, everything changes drastically.

  73. Owen

    Bruno – AD is averaging 29 per game on a 60% ts% . Where exactly is his offensive ceiling?

    I mean, watch a Pelicans game and it’s just like a Duke game. You can’t believe they don’t just give it to the best player every time.

  74. DRed

    If Lebron gets Kyrie to fuck over the Celtics and join the Lakers he is the absolute GOAT

    If y’all don’t think the dude who has led the NBA in 2 point shots made 3 times in his career, who is currently averaging about 30 points a game on a 60 TS% and tossing in 4.5 assists is not a fucking offensive force then I really don’t know what to tell you. AD isn’t Tyson Chandler.

  75. ess-dog

    Ugh. We really do need to just shoot for three years from now when LeBron has finally aged and the Warriors are sure to have broken up.
    Maybe Mitch, KP, and Zion can be our dream frontcourt, and then we’ll finally find some guards who can at least play a hair above mediocre.

  76. DRed

    The Knicks quest to find a good point guard is really a remarkable tale of ineptitude. In the last 20 years we’ve had one good season from Steph and that’s about it.

  77. Bruno Almeida

    @78

    I meant a ceiling in comparison to the other mega stars, top 5 players, that I would say are Harden, LeBron, Curry, Durant and Giannis. These guys all score more efficiently, and in some cases in higher volume than Davis, and they’re all much better in terms of creating shots for others than AD is.

    Obviously Davis is a fantastic player in every way you look at him, but my argument was that I wouldn’t be as happy with him as my sole star as I would be with the other players I mentioned in this post. It’s nitpicky maybe, but I think it’s a valid argument. He’s an offensive force, but at a slightly lower level than the other guys and this matters when we’re talking about the absolute greats.

  78. Owen

    I thought the Bulls might challenge the Nets but it was too much to ask for. Lavine got pretty hot in the second quarter.

    Bruno -You are hard to please!

  79. d-mar

    Ian Begley ESPN Staff Writer:

    The Cavs’ win over the Wizards on Tuesday leaves the Knicks (10-39) with the fewest wins in the NBA.

    Happiest tweet of the season!

  80. bobneptune

    It’s fun watching J Holiday take Clyde’s advice an overplaying the Beard’s left hand…..Okafor also killing it…

  81. Bruno Almeida

    @84

    Hahaha I kinda am, I was mostly convincing myself that the Knicks trading everything for Davis would leave us with nothing better than the Pelicans current situation. In all honesty I would love to see AD on the Knicks no matter the cost, to finally watch a true superstar with a Knicks uniform after só damn long, I’m just trying to keep a rational mind about it (and also the fact that it’s very very very likely to never happen).

    We still have two games against the Cavs and two against the Bulls, those are the games that will probably decide it all. The Bulls games specially are in April, one being the 81st game of the season… why do I feel the ominous sensation that we’ll get the next NDour moment this season?

  82. Z-man

    even so its less momentous due to the flattening.

    but yeah, i still have ndour/hardaway/holiday nightmares

  83. Donnie Walsh

    The Knicks quest to find a good point guard is really a remarkable tale of ineptitude. In the last 20 years we’ve had one good season from Steph and that’s about it.

    It has been a remarkable run of futility. But it’s not like they’ve had great centers or forwards or shooting guards during that time either. I mean, what would the 2000-2019 New York Knicks all star starting lineup look like?

    PG: Marbury
    SG: Houston
    SF: Anthony
    PF: Lee
    C: Chandler

    That lineup would go 0-29 against all the other franchises’ allstar teams from that era. Mecca of Basketball, ha!

  84. djphan

    tanking really doesnt mean all that much anymore… worst record guarantees the 6th pick… and it would be a crapshoot for any slot higher than that….

    at least we finally figured out this tanking thing… right in the nick of time..

  85. Brian Cronin

    If Jahlil Okafor can play I deserve to be DRed’s lead scout when he becomes GM.

    Man, all the dudes that I loved in the 2015 NBA Draft are now suddenly playing well out of nowhere! Took you long enough, fellas!

  86. Brian Cronin

    I think Davis wants to be traded because he knows he’ll be playing behind Okafor when he’s off the DL. ;)

  87. Brian Cronin

    worst record guarantees the 6th pick

    Fifth pick, but yes, it really isn’t as much of a big deal as it was as of last year. Still, getting into the top five is usually significant.

  88. Brian Cronin

    When Lebron puts up incredible individual stats in the playoffs with Anthony Davis at his side and loses in the playoffs a few more times I wonder if he’ll start wondering how he lost to a vastly inferior team like Dallas and a mostly over the hill gang like San Antonio along the way. He’s lucky Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving made amazing pressure shots and Draymond Green spontaneously combusted or he’d be 0-8 in the finals.

    On paper it’s an incredible combination and no doubt they will a ton of games on sheer superior talent. But I don’t think they will win a championship together and I’m not basing that entirely on the Warriors.

    Whoa, when did Skip Bayless start commenting here?

  89. vincoug

    That lineup would go 0-29 against all the other franchises’ allstar teams from that era. Mecca of Basketball, ha!

    Come on, that’s not true. We’d have a good chance to beat Charlotte, Washington, the Nets, and maybe Minnesota.

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