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Wednesday, April 16, 2014

New Kids on the ‘Bock: Mike Bibby

“Damnit! Are you kidding me?” I yelled, at no one in particular.

“What happened?” my wife, bless her tolerant soul, bellowed back from the kitchen.

“The Knicks are signing Mike Bibby.”

“Who’s Mike Bibby?”

“You remember that guy on the Heat last year you said was scary looking?”

“Who, Bosh? You mean Bosh?”

“No, Mike Bibby. Nosferatu? The deeply sunken eyes?”

“Oh… right. I’m sorry, honey.”

Now, for the record, I personally don’t find Mike Bibby to be scary looking. Still, I couldn’t help but cringe at the thought of signing a guy who — forgetting for a second his best days being a near decade behind him — had just come off a disastrous stint with the loathed Miami Heat. It just reeked of bad mojo, pure and simple.

But to hear — or read — the reaction to Saturday’s news that the Knicks had signed the 33-year-old  guard to a one year, veteran’s minimum deal ($1.4 million, it’s believed), you’d think the Knicks had tendered Hannibal Lecter to a max contract and a 50% stake in CableVision. Such was the level of vitriol and caustic hand-wringing levied at a transaction which, in the financial scheme of things, posed less of a roster risk than a footwear change.

Don’t believe me? Check out some of the tweets from the past 48 hours:

@ChicoBonds: Oh God no. #mikebibby

@JADubin5: Mike Bibby? Didn’t he retire like 3 years ago?

@smokeybarzz Why Mike Bibby? that [expletive] old and cant hit a 3 worth [expletive]! The Knicks Good Without Him

@problem2071 Why the hell would anyone sign Mike Bibby he looked ancient last year!

@MaYbaChMaV: Why are the #NYKnicks tryin to get #BumAss [editor's note: that's just a fantastic hashtag] #MikeBibby?

@KnickzFan696969: MIKE BIBBY? MORE LIKE TYKE BABY AMIRITE!?!?!?

 

Ok I made that last one up. But you get the gist.

Of course, a big part of the Bibby anxiety stems from the towering question mark that is the squad’s point guard position. With Chauncey Billups having been rather loudly shipped out of town via the infant CBA’s amnesty clause, all eyes have fallen to the doubtless improved  but still unproven Toney Douglas — now the longest-tenured Knick, entering his third year — as the heir apparent at the point. Aside from that, prior to the Bibby signing the only other roster-slated player with experience at the one was rookie Iman Shumpert, a player who most see as being cut more from the combo mold.

Recognizing the team’s alarming lack of floor generals, Knicks GM Glen Grunwald took a flier on the the 13-year veteran. Now, for you kids who don’t remember, Michael Bibby was once a pretty damn good player; the rein-snapper of a well-oiled Kings team that would likely have won an NBA title, if it weren’t for one of the most notoriously officiated games in league history. Even given a handful of sub-par seasons in Atlanta, Bibby’s career per 36 numbers (15.9 points, 5.9 assists, 3.3 rebounds) are nothing to scoff at.

After being dealt by the Hawks at last season’s trade deadline, Bibby was unceremoniously waived by the Wizards. Five days later, Bibby accepted a one-year deal from a Heat team dealing with its own dearth of back court reliables. For a while, it seemed like an ideal fit: During 22 regular season games, Bibby registered a healthy TS% of 60%, including a blistering %46 from behind the arc. Of course, when you have arguably two of the three best wings in the game in LeBron James and Dwyane Wade drawing a majority of the defensive focus, you’re liable to get your share of clean looks from yonder. And during the regular season home stretch, where he averaged close to 27 minutes a game, most of them as a starter, Bibby made the most of them.

Mike Bibby signing the Magna Carta in 1215 (photo courtesy of the Knicks)

Then the Playoffs happened. During the Heat’s 20 postseason games, Bibby’s playing time plummeted as vociferously as his aim. With Mario Chalmers gradually usurping the onetime number two draft pick’s PT, Bibby’s TS% cratered to 37%; his 3p% to below 26%. And though his regular season WP/48 of 0.084 hadn’t exactly set the world on fire, Bibby’s playoff mark (-0.029) reflected an alarming fall from serviceable cog to full-fledged liability — particularly on the defensive end, where he’s gained something of a reputation as a hopeless sieve.

Not surprisingly, the Heat neglected to re-up on the aging Bibby at season’s end. Which — RUNNING AT A LOSS COMPETITIVE BALANCE PLAYER MOVEMENT ENORMOUS CONSEQUENCES MAKE A PROFIT BASKETBALL REASONS! — brings us to today. Clearly the Knicks have little to lose by taking what is, by all accounts, a necessary risk. What’s more, signing Bibby doesn’t preclude us from reeling in another vet — Baron Davis plz! — to help bolster our back court.

For all his atrophied talent, Bibby’s reputation as a positive, steady locker room presence has rarely, if ever, been questioned. Coupled with his own admission that he’d long dreamed of playing in Mike D’Antoni’s free-flowing system — a luxury Bibby hadn’t enjoyed since his halcyon days at the fore of Rick Adelman’s Kings teams –what you end up with is the definition of a low-risk, reward-unknown scenario. At the very least, Bibby is a stop-gap insurance policy guard. Against the backdrop of a condensed schedule, a just-healed Toney Douglas shoulder, and roster unknowns abound, that kind of veteran presence is all but necessary.

So what should we expect from Bibby this year? Obviously, a lot hinges on the development of Douglas and Shumpert, and what cards the Knick brass still have sleeve-hidden for the home stretch of what has already been — in all its abbreviated glory — a truly bananas free agency period. With less than two weeks before our Yuletide showdown against the Celtics, the Knicks will be under the gun to fill out the roster and get as many bodies into camp as possible.

Regardless, it’s hard to believe D’Antoni would be looking for anything more than 10 or so minutes a game from what will essentially be the team’s fourth or fifth guard. Given the right lineup (i.e. if paired with the more defense-oriented Douglas or Shumpert), Bibby could easily reprise his role with the Heat: An effective spot-up shooter capable of working off the team’s stars. If he can do that — and do it at something resembling a consistent clip — the Knicks will have more than gotten their Dolan Dollars’ worth.

During yesterday’s contract signing, Bibby announced he’d be sporting number 20 for the upcoming season. On its face, the chosen numeral bears little significance, beyond the fact that Mike was born three years after his father Henry — who wore #17 — played his last game as  Knick in 1974.

As a rookie the year previous, however, Henry came off the bench for the last Knick title team. Recognizing as he must his own career’s flickering twilight, it only seems appropriate that Mike — title starved since his brilliant Freshman campaign at the helm of the ’97 Arizona National Ttile squad — would want to end his career right where his father’s began. With a little bit of luck, closing that loop might soon mean one more ring on the family mantle.

 

 

78 comments on “New Kids on the ‘Bock: Mike Bibby

  1. Frank

    Great article Mike. I’m actually happy about this signing. At the very least you know what you’ll get from Bibby, which as you said is a veteran presence, excellent shooting from deep, and bad defense. If you ask me, he’s 60% of Billups for 10% of the price. In fact, it is scary how similar their career stats are. If you ask me the main difference is that Billups gets to the line twice more per game and shoots at a higher percentage. All the other shooting percentages are crazily similar.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bibbymi01&y1=2011&p2=billuch01&y2=2011

    Meanwhile – David Kahn is PG-collecting again – per David Aldridge, he’s closing in on a 4 year deal for JJ Barea. Man that guy has some weird PG fetish.

  2. jon abbey

    we need a KB proofreader:

    Nosferatu
    Glen Grunwald
    rein-snapper (reign-snapper would have worked with one more win over LA)
    Yuletide

  3. Frank O.

    @jon
    beat me to it.

    But a nice read. I think the Bibby angst is a bit overblown. He’s insurance and probably will not see a lot of time. I think TDDWTDD will settle in and do a nice job…unless the Knicks bring in another point. Then Toney’s confidence will suffer, he’ll try to do too much and we’ll all be having the same off-season conversation about whether he’ll every turn the corner…
    But I would be shocked if Melo isn’t running the game as a point forward. He handles the ball well, can break down defenses, passes well enough in the PnR and with TC and Stat down low, should be a powerful threat. It will be very, very hard for opponents to double-team either Amare or Melo. Expect Chandler’s rebounding numbers to improve.

  4. Nick C.

    If Bibby is just 10-15 mpg that’s fine at that price. I just hope they he, Dolan and MDA can deal with not having a “name” starting PG. I couldn’t scrutinize all the 500 odd posts over the weekend but why the Baron Davis fetish? Is it just, as it seemed, if you are going to get a waived PG that used to be an all star he is the lesser of two evils vis a vis Bibby?

  5. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan) Post author

    Nick C.: I couldn’t scrutinize all the 500 odd posts over the weekend but why the Baron Davis fetish? Is it just, as it seemed, if you are going to get a waived PG that used to be an all star he is the lesser of two evils vis a vis Bibby?

    Yes.

  6. SeeWhyDee77

    Love the title..Love the article even more. I have always wanted Bibs in NY..up until ATL. So I sincerely hope his performance- playoffs performance- last season was a fluke. Considering the fact that he’s never been terribly athletic, and the fact that he’s 13 years in probably says that it wasn’t. But if he can manage to give us what he gave Miami during the reg season an share a few jewels with Douglas on how to run a team, then this signing is worth it. In my opinion, we need to move Walker somehow for another PG NOW!! And bring back Extra E of course. But who would take Ball Wilker and Rey Balkman for a rotational PG? Cleveland? Would they send us Sessions or Boobie? Milwaukee for Livingston or Udrih? Seems like our best hope is Davis gettin amnestied and clearing waivers. I have no problem with seein what Douglas gives as a full time starter, i’m fine with that. What troubles me is Melo as a point forward type and no depth at tha 1 considering Bibs’ last games in Miami. If we bring Jordan and Extra E back in the fold, and add a 3rd PG..I like our roster as is. Unfortunately Walker doesn’t make a whole lot of money which seemingly would complicate a trade as I assume we don’t wanna take back extra salary if we don’t have to. PG is the only position I worry about with this roster. Now if Bibby has something left then that question goes away for a season at least.

  7. Z-man

    Well, not that Barea is no longer an option, what next? Still don’t get what Minny is doing, but what else is new?

  8. art vandelay

    From what I have read this morning, it appears Dallas is, yet again, trying to offload salary to make more room for 2012, thus the recent dangling of Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer. Should we take a flier on either? Not sure we could even absord the contract of either at this point given our salary cap restraints.

  9. ptmilo

    Would love to get Ridnour now that Kahn is back to his usual of minimum of three point guards, but that appears impossible. Mavericks apparently are looking to dump Rudy Fernandez. Definitely not a perfect fit for the Knicks’ holes and he isn’t FA so doesn’t fit neatly into the room exception…but I wonder if there’s some way the Knicks could work this out given that Fernandez would probably choose Spain over many under-the-cap alternatives and I believe is only schedule to make ~$2m this year.

  10. Garson

    Guys i think we all overlooked a huge curveball with all these trades…

    Who is Landrys Sidekick in the Andy and Landry Show?

    Amare and Melo are out as they wont have time to do the show and be at their other high profile photoshoot events.

    I would like to see Jorts.

    Other in the running:
    Chandler – Good Chemistry with Landry on that interview
    Iman – Cool Name…
    Nobody? Landry can carry that show by himself…

  11. SeeWhyDee77

    Garson:
    Guys i think we all overlooked a huge curveball with all these trades…

    Who is Landrys Sidekick in the Andy and Landry Show?

    Amare and Melo are out as they wont have time to do the show and be at their other high profile photoshoot events.

    I would like to see Jorts.

    Other in the running:
    Chandler – Good Chemistry with Landry on that interview
    Iman – Cool Name…
    Nobody? Landry can carry that show by himself…

    lol

  12. Frank

    So if Baron Davis shakes loose and gets through secondary waivers, do we want him? I’m sort of feeling a no on that. I’d really like to give TD a chance.

  13. art vandelay

    I have a sinking feeling our beloved Billups will wind up a Heatle by the end of the day….don´t know why…just a feeling.

  14. Frank

    art vandelay:
    I have a sinking feeling our beloved Billups will wind up a Heatle by the end of the day….don´t know why…just a feeling.

    I can’t possibly imagine that a team doesn’t put a bid in on CB. A guy who is probably still in the top 1/3rd of all NBA players, available for as little as the minimum salary? How do you NOT take a flyer on that? At the very least I think the Clips could use him and count on him to be happy playing in LA with CP3 and the Blake Show.

  15. Frank

    Meanwhile – I REALLY hope TD works out as a passable/good PG in this offense, because if he looks good, I would love to see Lamar Odom come back to NYC next year with the MLE when Dallas inevitably buys him out of his contract to chase FA-to-be-announced. A four man rotation of TC, Amare, Melo, and Odom would be absolutely deadly.

    Of course if Toney stinks at being a real PG, we could always use that MLE on Nash and the biannual exception on Grant Hill. That would be pretty awesome.

  16. DS

    Frank: art vandelay:
    I have a sinking feeling our beloved Billups will wind up a Heatle by the end of the day….don´t know why…just a feeling.

    Get used to the idea that the Heat are winning it this year and Eddy Curry wearing a championship ring. You’ll feel better in June if you’ve prepared yourself emotionally.

  17. Frank

    The other thing about the Heatles – the PG was not the problem against the Mavs. The problem was that they had no defensive answer for the Mavs pick-and-roll, and the supposed best player in the NBA (LBJ) pulled a disappearing act. I can’t imagine Billups doing much more than Chalmers did in the Finals, and certainly they would be a much worse defensive team with Billups in there rather than Chalmers.

    When the Heat are really playing well, the ball is in LBJs or Wade’s hands 90% of the time. They need a Chalmers or Toney Douglas type way more than they need a Billups type. But that’s just IMHO.

  18. Frank O.

    Frank:
    Meanwhile – I REALLY hope TD works out as a passable/good PG in this offense, because if he looks good, I would love to see Lamar Odom come back to NYC next year with the MLE when Dallas inevitably buys him out of his contract to chase FA-to-be-announced.A four man rotation of TC, Amare, Melo, and Odom would be absolutely deadly.

    Of course if Toney stinks at being a real PG, we could always use that MLE on Nash and the biannual exception on Grant Hill.That would be pretty awesome.

    You seem to have fallen in love with a lot of old guys. lol
    Odom, Nash, Hill. I think the Knicks need some good young folks to bring along with our front line.
    I don’t think running the offense through Melo is a bad situation and TD floating on the arc is a pretty nice prospect. He’s too small to play the 2 and his should likely would pop again doing it. We already have some young 2s.
    I’m also not keen on Baron Davis because he’s the kind of player who will expect a lot of minutes and a bigger role, and, frankly, we don’t need that, especially if he’s a bit of a problem in the locker room.

  19. ess-dog

    I like the idea of Fernandez next to TD since he is a great creator. But it’s seems he’s worn thin on a few teams and hasn’t lived up to the hype of his youth. Still, if you can get him for say, Walker and a 2nd, I think it’s worth a risk. But do we have the space for him? I’m guessing no.

  20. Z

    I hope for the sake of the 3,000,000 words spent in the last thread arguing against a TD for Berea trade that everyone’s time posting wasn’t completely wasted. Hopefully the energetic debate here at KB caused the NY front office to pause, reflect, and ultimately rescind their offer to Dallas.

    More likely, though, y’all fell victim to Twitter’s abject apathy for the truth.

    Kill your Twitter!

  21. d-mar

    According to ESPN, The Bobcats are considering a waiver claim on Billups, which would block him from becoming a FA. I’m sure this will take the sting out of the Knicks amnesty lol.

  22. JK47

    @25

    I never considered the following: that some team would be dicks and claim Chauncey just to prevent him from going to the Heat. Enter Michael Jordan.

  23. ess-dog

    If Dallas wants to dump Fernandez, they could send a 1st rounder to Minny + Balkman and give us Fernandez.

    All of a sudden, I’m really not liking the fact that Jeffries and Bibby are in our rotation. I just pray that Shumpert, Jorts and Jordan outplay them from day 1.

  24. ess-dog

    d-mar:
    According to ESPN, The Bobcats are considering a waiver claim on Billups, which would block him from becoming a FA. I’m sure this will take the sting out of the Knicks amnesty lol.

    I think he’d rather retire.

  25. Frank

    Hollinger just suggested that OKC picks up Billups. That would be freaking deadly. I still think the Clips are a good bet to pick him up, and GSW seems a good fit too. That way they could have 3 non-defending not-quite-PGs.

  26. The Surprisingly yet Cautiously Optimistic C. J., #1 Gentleman

    ess-dog: I think he’d rather retire.

    I’d rather take their offer (and my $14M) and spend it getting their starting lineup hammered every night at the club.

  27. iserp

    ess-dog: I like the idea of Fernandez next to TD since he is a great creator. But it’s seems he’s worn thin on a few teams and hasn’t lived up to the hype of his youth. Still, if you can get him for say, Walker and a 2nd, I think it’s worth a risk. But do we have the space for him? I’m guessing no.

    Agreed

  28. Frank

    this whole Fernandez thing doesn’t really make sense to me. DAL can just not make a qualifying offer to him next year and he’ll become a FA and fall off their cap#, right? And they just traded 2 draft picks to get him. Strange but I’m sure it’ll end up with Fernandez getting traded for a bag of Cheetos and Dallas “accepting” Derrick Williams or something with the cap space.

  29. d-mar

    ESPN also reporting that Magic met with Howard and are optimistic they can get him to re-sign. Probably unlikely, but can you imagine if that did happen? The Lakers would have jettisoned Odom for nothing, and the Nets would be looking at no D-Will heading into their arena-opening season.

  30. Mulligan

    Nice article up on Off the Dribble by Rob Mahoney re: Chandler. http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/the-many-virtues-of-tyson-chandler/

    Really makes me excited to see what this team can do – I really think we’re close. Hopefully we don’t follow Miami’s lead and just rely on over-the-hill veterans to fill out the lineup (with the exception of Chalmers). We have some youth on this team and they need to play and be developed. The idea of Bibby playing 10-15 and tutoring Shump and TD on the pick and roll is much more palatable than Bibby as the starting PG like he was last year in Miami (although it’s not like they did too badly with that until the playoffs).

  31. Mulligan

    Plus, next year Nash and Andre Miller are available. Get Odom to round out the front court (maybe Pryzbilla when he decides to come back?) and continue to develop our young guys and we’re set for the next 4 years.

  32. Spree8nyk8

    Hey Knickerbloggers! This holiday season join together and take a stand against Bullying!

    And boycott Rudolph the Red nosed Reigndeer

    This holiday ritual is clearly the wrong message we want to send to our children. Don’t believe me? Well lets look at the facts.

    1) Rudolph has a shiny red nose.
    2) The other Reigndeer make fun of his physical defects and bully him.
    3) Santa does nothing, and Santa being the overseer of all Reigndeer matters could have and should have stepped in on behalf of Rudolph but instead sanctioned it by doing nothing.
    4) Then a foggy day comes and Santa realizes that Rudolph’s defect is now useful.
    5) He puts an end to the bullying pointing to how Rudolph’s defect is now useful.

    Moral Learned: It’s ok to bully someone based on a flaw UNLESS that flaw somehow becomes useful, and then and only then should the flawed individual be accepted by society.

    You’ve been naughty Santa!! And we are watching!!!

  33. John Kenney

    So apparently we just signed players I didn’t know existed. This is the first time that’s happened. Thoughts?

  34. Spree8nyk8

    As far as Chauncey, I don’t see what sense it would make for a team under the cap to not at least put a min bid on Chauncey.

    If he retires you don’t have to pay him.

    If he plays you get a great player cheap

    If nothing else you have a trade chip.

  35. Spree8nyk8

    John Kenney:
    So apparently we just signed players I didn’t know existed. This is the first time that’s happened. Thoughts?

    They only brought them on the practice squad right?

  36. Frank

    Spree8nyk8:
    As far as Chauncey, I don’t see what sense it would make for a team under the cap to not at least put a min bid on Chauncey.

    If he retires you don’t have to pay him.

    If he plays you get a great player cheap

    If nothing else you have a trade chip.

    Apparently you can’t trade players that are picked up on amnesty waivers until July 1. But even so, you’d think that picking a player of Billups’s caliber for peanuts is a no-brainer for any team even in sniffing distance of the playoffs.

  37. JK47

    The Clippers for some reason I can’t fathom are refusing to include Eric Bledsoe in the Chris Paul trade, making Bledsoe the Timofey Mozgov of December 2011.

  38. Spree8nyk8

    Oh, before the season starts and people whine I just need it to be known that i do tend on Firstying every game thread this season!

  39. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    JK47:
    The Clippers for some reason I can’t fathom are refusing to include Eric Bledsoe in the Chris Paul trade, making Bledsoe the Timofey Mozgov of December 2011.

    The Timofey Mozgov all-stars! Low-level players who held up a superstar deal!

    C MOZGOV OBEY!
    PF
    SF
    SG
    PG Eric Bledsoe

    Anyone out there who can think of any others?

  40. Spree8nyk8

    Stern now demanding previously mentioned players, Minn pick, willy wonkas golden ticket, and sterlings first born son.

  41. bobneptune

    Z:
    Hopefully the energetic debate here at KB caused the NY front office to pause, reflect, and ultimately rescind their offer to Dallas.

    this is a level, right?

  42. Spree8nyk8

    JaredZwerling Jared Zwerling
    Damn Shumpert looking good. Just nailed back to back threes. Just hit one on the fastbreak too. Swish. The dude still jumps high from range.

  43. Frank

    Jared Zwerling loves him some Shumpert. I guess the kid is knocking them down from 3 in scrimmages. If this kid can even be a very poor man’s version of Wade, we could be a really dangerous team.

  44. JK47

    I have to say, the form on Shumpy’s jump shot looked pretty sweet in the highlight videos from the Las Vegas games. If his J turns out to be a reliable weapon and was only a problem at Georgia Tech because of horrible shot selection, then look out because he’s going to be a terrific player. The rest of his game– the hops, the smooth transition play and the on-ball defense– certainly seem to be of NBA quality.

  45. Frank

    Another sign that the NYK’s lost decade is over — Alan Hahn is leaving Newsday and going to MSG! F**k you paywall!

  46. JK47

    The roster endgame is shaping up. Cleveland amnesties Baron Davis, who is hinting that he has a bad back so nobody bids on him. NYK signs Baron for the vet’s minimum, then uses the “room” exception to sign Extra E. Baron’s back all of a sudden doesn’t hurt so bad anymore.

    The roster looks like this:
    PG: Toney Douglas, Baron Davis, Mike Bibby
    SG: Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert
    SF: Carmelo Anthony, Shawne Williams
    PF: Amar’e Stoudemire, Jared Jeffries, Renaldo Balkman
    C; Tyson Chandler, Jerome Jordan, Jorts Harrellson

    That’s 13 dudes so I don’t know how they resolve that little problem, but that is a pretty saucy looking team right there.

  47. Frank

    @57
    Figure MD’A runs a 9 man rotation rather than his usual 8 man because of the compressed schedule.

    That means we probably see very little of Balkman, Jordan, Jorts, and one of the PG/SG mess.

    BTW if this is the opening season roster, I would be quite happy if Grunwald gets the “interim” taken off his title. This is (at least as of this moment) a masterful job. If you ask me, this is the roster of a real contender, not just a 1st or 2nd round and out team.

  48. Frank

    Assuming we get Baron and that he is healthy/in shape/motivated (big ifs), the combination of TD, Shumpert, and Baron will make life a living hell for opposing backcourts.

  49. DS

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): The Timofey Mozgov all-stars! Low-level players who held up a superstar deal!

    C MOZGOV OBEY!
    PF
    SF
    SG
    PG Eric Bledsoe

    Anyone out there who can think of any others?

    Didn’t Keith Van Horn have to come out of retirement before the Devin Harris/Jason Kidd trade went through?

  50. JK47

    Help me out, capologists: Does it make more sense for Cleveland to simply waive Baron Davis, since they would need his salary to count towards the salary floor? If they waive him rather than amnesty him I would think the chances of him coming here are very, very good.

  51. Frank

    JK47:
    Help me out, capologists: Does it make more sense for Cleveland to simply waive Baron Davis, since they would need his salary to count towards the salary floor?If they waive him rather than amnesty him I would think the chances of him coming here are very, very good.

    i submitted it via twitter to Larry Coon – it’s a good question.

  52. Frank

    actually nvm – just realized that Baron has a player option for 2012-13 for $14MM – Cleveland would still owe that to him if they waived him and it would continue to clog up their cap even next year when presumably they would want to make a move towards competitiveness.

  53. nicos

    Davis has another year left on his contract so waiving him would leave him on their cap for next year as well, no? Given that the only other contract on the roster they might want to amnesty at some point would be Varejao who, if healthy I doubt they’d want to dump, I can’t see why haven’t amnestied Davis already.

  54. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Regarding Bledsoe, it depends. Were the Clippers willing to include Gordon and Minnesota’s 1st rounder in the deal? If they were, then I can see the logic in saying “we have to at least keep Blesdoe if we’re doing that.” Sounds fair to me and the NBA should gladly take it.

    I find it more realistic, though, that it is a matter of the Clippers not being willing to include both Gordon and the pick in the deal. I can see the hesitance, but I can also see why you’d “have” to have both if you’re going to do the deal. Heck, I’d take those two bits and let the Clippers keep the other pieces.

  55. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    DS: Didn’t Keith Van Horn have to come out of retirement before the Devin Harris/Jason Kidd trade went through?

    Good one.

    C – Moz
    PF
    SF – Van Horn
    SG –
    PG – Bledsoe

    Keep ‘em coming!

  56. Shad0wF0x

    If I remember correctly, Anfernee Hardaway was traded to Orlando on 2006 and was waived soon after.

  57. Ben S.

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): Good one.

    C – Moz
    PF
    SF – Van Horn
    SG –
    PG – Bledsoe

    Keep ‘em coming!

    How about JJ Hickson at PF? Supposedly the Cavs wouldn’t include him in a potential Amar’e deal that could have ultimately led to Lebron re-signing.

  58. Z

    JK47:
    Help me out, capologists: Does it make more sense for Cleveland to simply waive Baron Davis, since they would need his salary to count towards the salary floor?If they waive him rather than amnesty him I would think the chances of him coming here are very, very good.

    I don’t think it makes sense for Cleveland to do either. Why would they pay him $30 million to play against them? There is no tax incentive to amnestying him, and unless they have a player in mind to spend their cap space on, then there is no cap incentive either. It would be wiser to keep him, let him re-establish himself as a coveted player, then let him opt out for a long term deal with someone else (or trade his 2013 expiring contract next year).

  59. DS

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): Good one.

    C – Moz
    PF
    SF – Van Horn
    SG –
    PG – Bledsoe

    Keep ‘em coming!

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): Good one.

    C – Moz
    PF
    SF – Van Horn
    SG –
    PG – Bledsoe

    Keep ‘em coming!

    From The Daily News 2000: The Knicks still may have been able to work out a two-team trade with Seattle involving the 28-year-old Baker and Ewing but that was squashed when free agent Maurice Taylor spurned the Sonics yesterday. Houston is expected to sign Taylor to its $2.25 million exception. David Falk – the agent for Ewing, Rice and Taylor – was said to be trying to buy some time to make the Ewing deal work, but to no avail.

    I’d put Mo Taylor instead of Hickson at the 4, since Cleveland denies that rumor.

  60. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Matt Geiger has to be the center, because he actually held up a blockbuster trade. His refusal to waive his trade-kicker led to the Iverson to Detroit blockbuster falling apart. Then Iverson goes on to win the MVP that season for Philly.Craziness.

  61. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
    Matt Geiger has to be the center, because he actually held up a blockbuster trade. His refusal to waive his trade-kicker led to the Iverson to Detroit blockbuster falling apart. Then Iverson goes on to win the MVP that season for Philly.Craziness.

    Forgot about that. Yes, Geiger over Mozzie…

    C – Matt Freaking Geiger
    PF – Mo Taylor
    SF – Van Horn (though he didn’t block the deal)
    SG -
    PG – Eric Bledsoe

  62. Conor

    I’ve read, and I don’t know for sure that it’s true, that if you amnesty a guy, it still counts against your salary floor. (Obviously not the cap or tax). But teams don’t have to keep a guy they want to ammnesty just because of meeting the floor. Maybe someone could confirm that?

  63. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Conor:
    I’ve read, and I don’t know for sure that it’s true, that if you amnesty a guy, it still counts against your salary floor.(Obviously not the cap or tax). But teams don’t have to keep a guy they want to ammnesty just because of meeting the floor.Maybe someone could confirm that?

    It’s confusing (and I may be wrong) but it seems to be the case that if you amnesty a player, he doesn’t coun’t against the cap if you’re trying to get under the cap, but he does if you’re trying to stay above the floor.

    And yes, that’s weird.

  64. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Yeah, I’d gladly see the Knicks sign pretty much all three of those guys as bench fodder. Fucking Diogu. You really hate when dudes waste their talent like that.

  65. Z

    Ben S.: How about JJ Hickson at PF? Supposedly the Cavs wouldn’t include him in a potential Amar’e deal that could have ultimately led to Lebron re-signing.

    Good one! Hickson is the classic parallel if the Clips kill the Paul trade over Bledsoe. Where is Hickson now? (not Cleveland!)

  66. swagtard

    mike bibby sucks and could be classified as one of the most worthless point guards of this decade along with luke ridinour, bonzi wells, and stephon marbury. This pick up makes no sense. i would rather start a young in experienced player like tony douglas rather than this shit show of a play. terrible pick up.

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