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Sunday, May 28, 2017

NBA.com: Derrick Rose fined by Knicks for missing game vs. Pelicans

NBA.com reports:

Last night, the Knicks hosted the New Orleans Pelicans with hopes of reversing a recent funk in which New York had lost seven of its last eight games. Not only did the Knicks fall last night to the Pelicans, 110-96, but they did so without starting point guard Derrick Rose.

Rose was absent from the team for the game for reasons that were unclear, and the team responded today by fining him for his actions.

The Knicks followed by noting that he will be in uniform for the game against Philadelphia on Wednesday.

If there’s a bigger joke of a franchise, then, well, okay, it’s probably Sacramento, but still, this is a pathetic display by the Knicks to not suspend Derrick Rose for even a single game. It sends a wonderful message, “You can do whatever you want, so long as we’re so bad at guard that we can’t afford not to have you when we’re trying to win games here.”

176 comments on “NBA.com: Derrick Rose fined by Knicks for missing game vs. Pelicans

  1. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    Just embarrassing.

    The worst part is Phil’s silence. What a shit franchise.

  2. Bruno Almeida

    the ultimate joke is that he is a terrible guard who has been helping us lose games

    I agree as usual Brian, it’s the Knicks after all… they’ll probably fire Hornacek, win enough games to pick thirteenth in the draft and miss Ntilikina and Giles and re sign this sorry ass excuse of a PG.

    today has killed all hope I had this franchise would be relevant in the next four or five years.

  3. geo

    man, why couldn’t doaln have been hanging out at some party and have some real revelational type basketball conversation with jerry west or someone whom’s actually run an nba team before…

    yeah derrick rose, shit does happen – we signed you…

  4. steveoh

    I had an employee who didn’t show up for work and didn’t call. We gave him the benefit of the doubt because that’s what you do. But then, problems continued, proving over-and-over again that he wasn’t someone you can depend on. He missed meetings. He missed deadlines. It took a lot to let him go (this is corporate America), but he definitely earned the dismissal – especially after not showing up for work again (and not notifying us, again) after being given a final warning.

    Forget the reasons why he missed the game. I hope they’re legit. And I hope they’re been figured out. And I’m going to assume that, if Derrick Rose let them know, he would have been excused.

    But he has to let the Knicks know. That’s basic. B-A-S-I-C. Everyone should know to do that. 99% of employed people do that. Basic.

    Someone who doesn’t do it is either flaunting it in their employer’s face or doesn’t have the mindset to know that it’s wrong. Either way, it’s not a good path for the organization to be going down.

    Cut the bait, Phil, and release.

  5. JK47

    Well, like I expected, the clueless and gutless Phil Jackson handled this in the most pathetic and feckless way possible.

    Fire this clown, please. Guitar Jimmy, save us!

  6. The Knicks Should Tank

    Phil Jackson can’t go anywhere until Clarence Gaines Jr. makes that pick in June. Or maybe we can fire Phil and let Clarence Gaines be the GM?

  7. Brian Cronin Post author

    But he has to let the Knicks know. That’s basic. B-A-S-I-C. Everyone should know to do that. 99% of employed people do that. Basic.

    The dude went to Chicago! Chicago! It’s not like he just transported there instantaneously. He had to take a plane and thus he had tons of time to toss off a text to his employers. It’s absurd that he didn’t and even more absurd that he isn’t being punished for not doing it.

  8. DRed

    I wonder why he went to Chicago. Guy might have some mental health problems, or he could be an irresponsible asshole

  9. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    If Rose starts and we lose in Philly that might be the final straw for PJ’s tenure here.

  10. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    I for one am very glad that Knicks management is employee friendly enough to allow one of their own the freedom to take the time to see their beloved son in a time of crisis and forgive him for any indiscretions. Now that’s real management for you. Phil cares. Most of you only come here to hate.

  11. Ras1980

    Derrick Rose on why he didn't call Knicks: "I just to had to my family." So while in transit to Chicago, he couldn't take 30 secs to text?— Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) January 10, 2017

  12. JK47

    “Do whatever spoiled, childish, unprofessional shit you feel like doing. There will be no consequences for it.”

    -Zen Master

  13. geo

    I for one am very glad that Knicks management is employee friendly enough to allow one of their own the freedom to take the time to see their beloved son in a time of crisis and forgive him for any indiscretions. Now that’s real management for you. Phil cares. Most of you only come here to hate.

    reub (hoping you had a great time and came away with a little sunshine in your soul and a nice healthy tan)…i’m sure there’s a spot for you somewhere on the knicks pr team…

  14. geo

    I wish we were the Sacramento Kings. That’s how embarrassing this shit is.

    more and more this season i’ve come to realize i wish i had been born a utah jazz fan…

  15. Count de Pennies

    Rose said he didn’t want to pick up the phone when Knicks called. He needed his “space.”— Al Iannazzone (@Al_Iannazzone) January 10, 2017

    Maybe there’s an NBA franchise on Saturn in need of a shitty PG on an expiring deal.

  16. kevin5318

    Oh cool. I might change my username to kevin”whatever fucking zip code” Derrick was in last night.

  17. thenamestsam

    This is just insane even by Knicks standards. I mean if something truly traumatic happened and he caught caught up and forgot to call I guess that’s something I could understand. But he acknowledges that he saw the Knicks calling him and ignored it because he “needed space”. I mean what even is that? It’s absurd.

    What’s the record for comments in a single day on this website? Whatever it is, I guarantee it gets shattered the day Rose signs his huge extension.

  18. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    Is there any legit trade scenarios involving Rose?

    It’d have to be with Sacto or Cleveland, I imagine. We couldve fleeced Sacto if we packaged O Quinn I bet. But who knows now with this absolutely absurd situation we’ve got going on at the moment

  19. Mike Kurylo

    I had an employee who didn’t show up for work and didn’t call. We gave him the benefit of the doubt because that’s what you do. But then, problems continued, proving over-and-over again that he wasn’t someone you can depend on. He missed meetings. He missed deadlines. It took a lot to let him go (this is corporate America), but he definitely earned the dismissal – especially after not showing up for work again (and not notifying us, again) after being given a final warning.

    I’ve seen this happen as well. Almost always coincided with addiction of some sort. In one other case it’s because the guy was just trying to get fired so he could go on unemployment & move. The company would have bought him out months ago had they known.

  20. Derrick Needs His Space

    Word was that Phil had some trade scenarios involved with Rose before this blowup.

  21. JK47

    Still no word from Phil Jackson. I mean, if you look up the word “gutless” in the dictionary, there’s a picture of his clueless senile mustachioed face there.

  22. Mike Kurylo

    Guys why are you getting on Derrick Rose so much? It’s not like the guy has made really poor decisions in the past.

    BTW 2 days ago at the gym I saw a woman wearing a Derrick Rose Knicks shirt. We really live in the age of imbeciles.

  23. Count de Pennies

    Outer Space
    Is a Pleasant Place.
    A Place that’s really free,
    There’s no limit to the things
    That you can do..
    Space is the place
    – Sun Ra

  24. Bruno Almeida

    the Knicks saw that Sacramento was making a run for the title of most ridiculous franchise and decided to make sure it won’t happen

  25. Owen

    If Derrick needs space he should move the ball and himself. Am I right fellas?

    There is a lot to like in this thread. Early leader here I think….

  26. geo

    @38 – nice link ras…enjoyed that read…

    seriously though – who else can’t wait to see what happens on wednesday – i’m stoked, must see tv…

    yes, this is the knicks i’ve grown to love…terrible both on and off the court…but, what engrossing reality television they make…

    plenty of “juicy” and salacious stuff to read about for days, possibly months to come…what will they fuck up next…

  27. Brian Cronin Post author

    Holy shit, apparently he called the Knicks last night to arrange a charter flight for him to get back to New York. This shit is just unreal. They almost certainly paid more to fly him back home than what they fined him.

  28. Derrick Needs His Space

    Okay, I figured it out. Rose checked the Knicks schedule to see if they had a game, saw “NO” and didn’t realize it was the abbreviation for New Orleans.

  29. Derrick Needs His Space

    It doesn’t matter how the management at MSG spins this, Knicks fans will never embrace this little bitch from now on. He might as well beg to leave the city because if there is one thing Knicks fans prize its toughness from their players. This guy was so fragile he couldn’t even attend a game after a 4th quarter benching. He’s toast in this city.

  30. geo

    This is NOT a good time to be a Knicks fan.

    this is – what being a knicks fan is…

    all any of us can do is wallow in the mud of dysfunction…

  31. Count de Pennies

    Does he still get his game check, which is like $230K or whatever?

    Yep.

    Cue the obligatory reub post hailing James Dolan as Philanthropist of the Year.

  32. Dough Chew, Ntank Commander

    the Knicks saw that Sacramento was making a run for the title of most ridiculous franchise and decided to make sure it won’t happen

    Nobody implodes like the New York Knicks!

  33. Dough Chew, Ntank Commander

    Holy shit, apparently he called the Knicks last night to arrange a charter flight for him to get back to New York. This shit is just unreal. They almost certainly paid more to fly him back home than what they fined him.

    This is the “Denver also receives Timofey Mozgov” part. When I think it can’t get MORE bizarre, here’s this ridiculous extra thing.

  34. Derrick Needs His Space

    Our ownership must hate us. I can’t think of any other explanation for why they’ve allowed us to suffer so horribly for 17 years.

  35. Totes McGoats

    Hey guys, how do you like my new user name?

    +100

    The +/- on this is incredible. Posting Efficiency Rating of 48.53! You have become the Ron Baker of this board! This board just seems to play so much better with that new name..nice work

  36. Bruno Almeida

    @57

    I want to believe that too man, but it’s not gonna happen… you can see on twitter already, a lot of fans complaining that he’s a “baller” and should be respected, that he’s rightfully pissed because Hornacek has been misusing him (one particularly funny one said that Hornacek wanted to turn Rose into Derek Fisher……………………………….)

    as much as I would love to see him booed every time he touches the ball, people at MSG will forget this in one week and it will be done.

    by the way, nobody is talking about Melo’s disgraceful ejection last night already… see how it goes?

  37. Bruno Almeida

    now, the media is apparently out for blood, specially since our prized zen master has been pissing them off so much lately, so we might still see a large part of the fans turning their backs on Rose… but MSG will still be filled, Dolan will get his money, Phil will fire another coach and it will be just another disgrace for this franchise.

  38. geo

    was looking at the derrick rose interview on espn – decided against clicking on it…cuz, really, at this point, what difference does it make…

    i got nothing against rose personally, sure, wasn’t too thrilled to hear how he likes to get down in his off time…really had hoped he would help the team win some games and be competitive…knew him missing time from training camp wouldn’t help us to start the season…

    but, really – you can’t blame the last 15 years or so of franchise futility on him spacing out yesterday…

    hopefully it just reinforces our need not to resign him, maybe if we’re “lucky” the rest of the month continues to go south and we’re able to trade him in a couple of weeks…

    makes little to no sense to keep piling on him…easy targets are never fun to shoot at…

    back to picking at jax and carmelo – i don’t really give a shit – anthony…

  39. Count de Pennies

    one particularly funny one said that Hornacek wanted to turn Rose into Derek Fisher

    Methinks just the opposite is happening: It’s Rose who’s turning Hornacek into Fisher.

  40. geo

    Spacing out?

    – it’s not exactly like he’s a 100% coherent as is…

    look, you made me pick at him again…ugh, it’s just too easy…

  41. Mike Kurylo

    To all optimists:

    There is plenty of room on the realist train. We are happy to have you aboard. (Well not really happy, per se, but it’s fine if you join us.) Be prepared for others to question your fandom.

    Also we apologize for the shoddy conditions aboard. I’d like to say it’ll improve, but then again…

  42. dtrickey

    Such a bizarre situation. Reading the aftermath, it seems everyone in the organisation would have been fine with Rose doing what he needed to do if he had have just let them know. A simple text could have stopped us from looking like a complete joke.

    At any rate, my guess would have been that if we were actually winning and weren’t 1-8 over this recent stretch, he may have got suspended. There’s still a lot we don’t know, and from what we do know it was a family issue which is obviously important to Rose. It’s just a shame he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, otherwise this whole situation could have been avoided.

    Onward an upwards I guess……..or if you are the Knicks…….backwards and sideways.

  43. Derrick Needs His Space

    @68

    Nobody’s forgetting this because the media won’t forget it. On Twitter alone people are laughing at the Knicks and Rose.

  44. dtrickey

    Nobody’s forgetting this because the media won’t forget it. On Twitter alone people are laughing at the Knicks and Rose.

    In fairness, people havebeen laughing at us for a while now

  45. Derrick Needs His Space

    #76

    Derrick Rose is the first Knicks player to go missing during a game since John Starks in game 7 of the 94 NBA Finals.I will see myself out— Travis Hancock (@TBoneWFNZ) January 10, 2017

    Derrick Rose went to the schedule to see if the Knicks had a game, saw "NO" and didn't realize it was the abbreviation for New Orleans.— Ol' QWERTY Bastard (@TheDiLLon1) January 10, 2017

    Day 213 of being a Knick. Derrick Rose sitting at computer. Googles "furthest place on Earth from the New York Knicks."Packs bag.— NOT NBA Tonight (@NOTNBATonight) January 10, 2017

    Knicks: Yo Derrick Rose, we got a game tonight against the Pelicans.Derrick Rose: Word? Imma see what I can do, I might fuck with it— Down 3-1 (@AJThaJuiceman) January 10, 2017

    Coach: "Derrick we have a game today"Rose: "Who all gon be there?"— Knicks Memes (@KnicksMemes) January 10, 2017

  46. Z-man

    Shitty thing is that now we’ll never get to test Jowles’ hypothesis that we’re better off with Rose getting lots of DNPs.

  47. Totes McGoats

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/report-derrick-rose-left-knicks-%E2%80%98livid-and-embarrassed%E2%80%99-by-going-awol/ar-BBy7uYB?li=BBnbfcL

    Wojnarowski adds that the Knicks were already unsure of the type of commitment they wanted to make to Rose in free agency after the season, but the situation from Monday could seal the star point guard’s fate. While the Knicks will likely try to sweep the situation under the rug for the sake of their current season, it’s hard to imagine their relationship with Rose being repaired unless the family situation he was supposedly dealing with turns out to be something very serious.

    I’m not a fan of Woj or Isola..but most quotes I’m seeing come from one of those 2. The above quote comes from the above article..
    WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE A ZEKE/MARBURY SITUATION AGAIN!!! If there’s anything that I’ve learned from the Knicks having a talented PG becoming a cancer to the team, it’s said cancer must be released IMMEDIATELY. There is no place for that when you are trying to build a contender- ESPECIALLY when you have a young transcendent talent like KP looking up to the veteran “leadership”. I think Hornacek is just toeing the company line and saying what Phil would want him to say. The important issue is how “livid” are Phil and company? If the roster is livid, Rose should end up in no man’s land. And if Phil isn’t tuned in to the heartbeat of the team, Dolan should let him go as well at this point. There’s no way you can save face as a franchise if you don’t cut bait. I don’t want to appear heartless, and I truly hope whatever family situation that Rose left for doesn’t become a debilitating one of sorts. I too tend to shut down when something harsh is affecting my family. My family also depends on my income, so I also protect that while dealing with whatever the issue is. That said, let him go to be with his family. His team certainly can’t count on him.

  48. dtrickey

    This was not a family issue. Just stop calling it a family issue.

    I’ll call it based on what info we’ve been given. Everything outside of that is just speculation. You don’t have to believe it, but that’s what we’ve been given to work off. Then again speculation is what keeps the posts rolling and the conversation interesting, so I guess keep the hypothesis coming in.

  49. Derrick Needs His Space

    I’ll call it based on what info we’ve been given. Everything outside of that is just speculation. You don’t have to believe it, but that’s what we’ve been given to work off. Then again speculation is what keeps the posts rolling and the conversation interesting, so I guess keep the hypothesis coming in.

    A PR excuse isn’t factual. It needs to be proven.

  50. GoNyGoNyGo

    While what Rose did was wrong, I understand it. Similar things have happened to me and others I know and I didn’t react right at the time and have seen others react poorly too. We’re humans, with feelings and when people are overwhelmed by something, they don’t always react rationally.

    Just because someone makes millions of dollars doesn’t make them immune to human reaction. I forgive Rose for having a lapse in judgment. I don’t forgive him for failing to facilitate play for his team mates.

  51. djphan

    i wouldn’t jump to conclusions.. as much as i have been a critic of rose.. as soon as it isn’t basketball-related it becomes very much an area where we all don’t know what the truth is besides our own preconceived notions…

    we all don’t know the real situation… so i don’t think any of us should pretend that we do….

  52. Brian Cronin Post author

    Ouch. On Twitter – “Even if the Knicks had consented to letting Rose visit his family, he wouldn’t have known what that meant.”

  53. Derrick Needs His Space

    Are you guys serious? All he had to do was leave a text with management. He was in contact with Noah by Noah’s own admission. Rose had a bitch fit.

  54. ClashFan

    @85
    Maybe, but the dude should be suspended (without pay) for a few games. I’m hoping that the Knicks are enabling his crap at this time only b/c they’re hoping to trade him for something of value.

    But, he needs to go.

    I’m waiting for his next 4th quarter benching. All eyes will be on him.

  55. dtrickey

    i wouldn’t jump to conclusions.. as much as i have been a critic of rose.. as soon as it isn’t basketball-related it becomes very much an area where we all don’t know what the truth is besides our own preconceived notions…

    we all don’t know the real situation… so i don’t think any of us should pretend that we do….

    Spot on. I think the only really facts we have are that it’s shit situation, Rose let the team (and fans) down pretty badly and the Knicks brass dropped the ball with their response.

    A PR excuse isn’t factual. It needs to be proven.

    But at this stage it’s all we have outside of speculative tweets. If it helps we can refer to it as “family issues” so as to acknowledge it could very well be bullshit.

  56. JK47

    Sorry but the guy is not fucking 12 years old. If you can take the time to arrange travel to Chicago you can take the ten seconds to text somebody and let them know where you are so they know you’re not dead. This is some of the most selfish bullshit I have ever heard in my life. Fuck this prima donna little boy shit. Act like a grown adult for fuck’s sake.

    But then again, why would he? There were no consequences for his actions. You just keep doing you, Derrick. Show up to the games if you feel like it.

  57. Derrick Needs His Space

    But at this stage it’s all we have outside of speculative tweets. If it helps we can refer to it as “family issues” so as to acknowledge it could very well be bullshit.

    Untrue. We know Noah was in contact with Rose after shit went down. We know Rose didn’t contact management until he needed a charter back to NYC. We know that anyone in any job would be suspended or fired for what Rose failed to do.

  58. JK47

    I’m waiting for his next 4th quarter benching. All eyes will be on him.

    I think he just proved that you can’t bench him in the fourth quarter. He’ll run away crying to Mommy.

  59. wetbandit

    It could be bullshit, but it could also be on the opposite end of the spectrum, and someone near to him has a major issue, say a medical problem. Judgement lapse etc etc. I don’t recall reports of unprofessional behavior on his part before.

    I never make a judgement call on incomplete information, but do your thing guys.

  60. geo

    GoNy…as much as i’d like to keep sticking pointy things at anyone even remotely related to the new york knickerbockers continued demise – there really is no other way for me to look at it than what you just wrote…

    so okay, earlier this year you had a chance to catch a game wherein we came back and got a win…gotta imagine on that night the garden was electric and fun…

    i know i’m being a bit morbid – but, how evident in the garden vibe was it that things were really wrong last night with the team – lack of effort and the rose, o’quinn (didn’t really look like a flagrant two) and melo situation…

  61. Derrick Needs His Space

    There is no fucking excuse. Zero. Even if he were distressed I’d suspend him for being stupid as fuck in not contacting anyone of his coaches, management, or teammates before the game.

  62. No Knicks Lead is Safe

    All speculation aside, the Knicks handled this oddly. If it’s as bad as Rose is making it sound (personally, I don’t believe him, but bear with me), it’d still be reasonable to say “We understand that Rose temporarily had a lapse in judgment, but he needs to know that we all worried about him and that his failure to communicate put his teammates and the organization in a difficult position.”

    No one would call the Knicks heartless if he was suspended for a game or even the first half. What makes this odder is that they fined him! So it’s like, “yeah we’ll punish you, but only at this minimal level.” Like many other things Knicksy, this reaction is completely out of line with any other professional organization.

  63. wetbandit

    Chris Herring, who we all know and love:

    Never want to let your co-workers down. But yea: Sometimes stuff is/can seem like life or death in that moment, and it overrides other stuff

    Making me think of a time where I basically ran out of a newsroom to drive back to Chicago bc of family emergency.

    Avg person cant no-show, avoid calls & still expect to have their job. But my goodness its odd that so many ppl are skewering the guy…… w/out knowing exactly what happened. We in the media get killed 4 writing stuff w/out all the facts, then so many ppl opine the same way

  64. KnickfaninNJ

    I agree he deserved a bigger fine and maybe a suspension, but the actual amount he should pay depends on private information about Rose’s family situation that we don’t know. What I do think is that he is tradeable, even this year. And, since he was a win now type acquisition and we are clearly not winning now, Jackson might actually trade him. You can make a case that he makes the team better when he plays (not that that makes us good), and there are teams looking for point guard help. And, per Ujiri, I think, anyone is tradeable. It is hard to come up with a reasonable deal though. Cleveland wants a point guard, but they have no way to match salaries. Sacramento probably wants a guard, but I don’t see who we would want in return. But wierdly enough, we could do a trade with Miami that might make both teams happy: Rose for Dragic and Williams. We get a guard whose in a bad situation in Miami, but not necessarily bad. Miami gets to wipe $15M more off their books at the end of the year.

  65. wetbandit

    Who are you to ‘not believe him’?? Do you know the guy? I’ve had situations where I ran out of my office in panic and forgot to tell anyone why. And I did happen to call later and it was understood. Let’s be decent, guys. Innocent until proven, etc.

  66. Derrick Needs His Space

    @98

    Poor comparison, he was at an airport on a flight and had more than enough time to text his organization. Hell, he had enough time to text Noah.

  67. ClashFan

    The MINIMUM punishment he should have gotten is a 1 game suspension without pay, b/c he went AWOL from his job for a game. I don’t think hardly anyone would blame the Knicks for that.

    BTW, how much is the fine supposedly for?

  68. Derrick Needs His Space

    Who are you to ‘not believe him’??

    Someone with basic common sense, you must be the other guy.

    Do you know the guy?

    Irrelevant.

    I’ve had situations where I ran out of my office in panic and forgot to tell anyone why. And I did happen to call later and it was understood.

    But he did call someone, Noah.

    Let’s be decent, guys. Innocent until proven, etc.

    This is not a court of law.

  69. No Knicks Lead is Safe

    @wetbandit

    I really didn’t mean to let my personal belief influence the point I was trying to make (hence the parentheses and opening with “speculation aside”). I have my personal reasons for not believing him, but that is all really besides the point.

    However, I’ve been in that situation too. I’ve ran out of offices and had to deal with personal stuff. But I communicated. I’m just saying that it’s inconsistent to fine him and not suspend him. He’s clearly being punished for not communicating. My point is that every other professional workplace would come up with a more proportionate punishment for someone boarding a plane without notice and ignoring calls.

  70. the don nelson era

    God I do not want a Dragic acquisition to be the result of this situation. Please do not (1) bail Riley out of that horrible contract and (2) add him to our roster.

  71. Bruno Almeida

    excuse me if I don’t feel any empathy for Rose after his trial, because I honestly don’t give a fuck.

    he’s an entitled scummy dude and this was just an antic powered by the lack of accountability the Knicks front office has installed in this franchise.

    all he said was that it was a family issue and he had to see his mom… the burden to prove it was something really important is on him, and until he does so I’ll believe it was just another temper tantrum by a selfish millionaire

  72. Derrick Needs His Space

    I love these excuses, they illustrate to me why the Knicks can be a perpetually dysfunctional embarrassment and fans will forgive their antics. Yes, Derrick Rose is the only NBA player who has family issues coincide with his professional duties. It was a vague “family matter” that kept him suiting up and contacting anyone at his place of work for hours AFTER the game was over and not the fact that he was upset about his diminishing playing time.

  73. Brian Cronin Post author

    BTW, how much is the fine supposedly for?

    It’s apparently just a nominal fine, something like $500.

  74. KnickfaninNJ

    I don’t know Dragic’s worth well, so you could be right t about his contract. My point is that he is tradeable, and I stand by that. It still might be better to just let his contract expire.

  75. No Knicks Lead is Safe

    Brian, do you have a source for that? I’ve tried doing a search with that figure but couldn’t find anything. Every other report mentions “an undisclosed figure”

  76. geo

    God I do not want a Dragic acquisition to be the result of this situation. Please do not (1) bail Riley out of that horrible contract and (2) add him to our roster.

    wait a minute…i thought we are all supposed to be drooling for the dragon…what happened…

    i can’t think of anyone whom we could get in return for rose that would help us out in the immediate situation, or for the next few years…it’s not like we can just trade him for picks – it’s got to be someone with an expiring contract…

  77. ClashFan

    @108
    For real??

    I guess I’ll not show up at school tomorrow to teach my classes, cite a vague family issue, and wait for a 5 cent fine…

  78. ClashFan

    Tug on Thibs’s heartstrings. He and Rose may be close.

    Rose and a 2nd round pick for Rubio and salary fodder.
    :-)

  79. KnickfaninNJ

    Bruno, it’s Rose’s burden to explain it to his employer, but it’s not his burden to explain it to us. If it’s a private situation he doesn’t want public, I can easily imagine him saying the public things he did. Those public statements don’t mean there wasn’t some real and understandable reason he suddenly went to Chicago. (He still should have notified someone)

  80. Brian Cronin Post author

    Brian, do you have a source for that? I’ve tried doing a search with that figure but couldn’t find anything. Every other report mentions “an undisclosed figure”

    I saw people on Twitter complaining about the $500 fine being not enough. It could be wrong. Hopefully it is.

  81. geo

    I love these excuses, they illustrate to me why the Knicks can be a perpetually dysfunctional embarrassment and fans will forgive their antics.

    forgive us – for just being fans…and, sympathetic human beings too :-)

    again though i make reference to the need for being able to “wallow in the mud of dysfunction”…shoot right after the college football championship, nfl playoffs – were the lead nba story – oh yeah – the knick circus is back in town baby…

  82. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    I don’t know if Rose had a serious reason to be in Chicago or not, and I understand that if it were serious he might have blanked. But he still needed to be suspended, and we shouldn’t have booked a fucking charter plane to get him back to NY. Ride first class commerical, man.

  83. Brian Cronin Post author

    I don’t think there really needs to be a knock on the guy for going to Chicago. It’s that he didn’t tell anyone and refused to answer the phone (later explaining that he “needed space”) when he disappeared right before the game. Had he asked for permission to leave, none of us would be saying a thing, since players skip games for personal reasons all the time. Heck, didn’t one of the Knicks skip a game because of personal reasons just earlier this season? And the fact that I can’t even remember who it was speaks to the normalcy of skipping a game for personal reasons.

    So the fact that he didn’t tell anyone that he was skipping the game is not in dispute. And that alone is enough for them to suspend the guy a game.

  84. Bruno Almeida

    @115

    I understand that, but he’s a public person, and you guys were discussing the public repercussions of his acts, saying that he shouldn’t be judged by the public as a bad person because there might be a real reason behind his absence.

    I’m explaining that until he makes that reason public, if it exists, I’ll still consider him to be an entitled brat that ran for mommy when he didn’t get to shine in the 4th quarter of a Knicks win.

    he’s obviously not obligated to disclose his reasons to the public; I’m even less obligated to stop judging him the way I see it.

  85. KnickfaninNJ

    Rose for Rubio works straight up because Minnesota has cap room. You don’t need salary fodder. You do commit to Rubio for three years though, just like you would with Dragic.

  86. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

    Amar’e’s brother died in a car crash and he still managed to contact the Knicks to take a game or two off. Most charitably, Rose was negligent. So yeah, I agree with you, Brian, just let the organization know in order to avoid a shit show.

    Wouldn’t mind a Rose for Rubio swap (could we get some seconds?) even though it would hurt the tank.

  87. Derrick Needs His Space

    forgive us – for just being fans…and, sympathetic human beings too :-)

    More like a sucker.

    Meanwhile, can you explain this?

    Rose said he didn't want to pick up the phone when Knicks called. He needed his "space."— Al Iannazzone (@Al_Iannazzone) January 10, 2017

  88. Bruno Almeida

    I’d be down with Rubio for Rose.

    well, I’d accept any trade that takes Rose away, but Rubio is a terrible shooter and a good defender, he might work for this team long term.

  89. No Knicks Lead is Safe

    Yeah, that’s sort of my point. He needs to miss playing time even if everything he says is true and it was a legit emergency. Ignoring calls + secretly making travel arrangements to other time zone = suspension.

    I don’t mean to reduce it too much, but this is one of those times that the Knicks’ existence as a sports team masks the incredible absurdity of the organization’s personnel and the org’s reaction to those actions

  90. ClashFan

    I think Rubio is 2 more years after this, yes. He’s younger than Dragic, so less of a risk.

    Is it realistic that any team would trade for him at this point except b/c he’s expiring? So, the Knicks might have to take some years back if they want to dump him. I’d take 2 more of Rubio. I doubt Minny would take him, though. I was just wishing out loud.

  91. Derrick Needs His Space

    Its not just that he didn’t contact the team, he refused to field their calls hours after the game ended. People thought he was injured or in serious trouble. He’s a selfish, moronic dickhead. Just admit it.

  92. Brian Cronin Post author

    Even if you want to give him some leeway for his reasons for leaving, which is fair enough, the bare minimum is to let the team know he was leaving. And failing even that bare minimum obligation, he didn’t even answer them when they called because he needed “space.” Come on, this is not even in dispute. This is all admitted by Rose. On the face of it, it is bad by Rose, even if he had a very good reason for going home. In other words, his reasons for leaving are immaterial as to the BS of his actions.

  93. Bruno Almeida

    I think it’s realistic ClashFan because Minnesota has Kris Dunn… Rose would be more of a stop gap until Thibs sees what he has with Dunn in an entire season, and if it doesn’t work out (pretty much guaranteed) they let him go and make Dunn the starter next year.

  94. Bruno Almeida

    I mean, I don’t think thibs would accept Rose for Rubio straight up, Minnesota isn’t going anywhere this year with him or without him… but I think maybe Thibs is so fed up with Rubio that Rose + O’Quinn would be enough

  95. djphan

    we all know rose isn’t that bright… my point is that we only know what we know… if there was any inclination to not believe him or if he did this regularly or if he was at all consistently difficult to deal with… then by all means expect the worst…

    for the most part he hasn’t been… and so if his explanation sufficed for the organization… then i don’t see why we need to pile on in a situation where we have less info…. it’s a weird situation but let’s not break out the pitchforks until there is enough reason to…

  96. ClashFan

    Yeah, I wouldn’t want to give OQ in that. How about a 2nd round pick?

    Minny gets out from under Rubio’s deal and gets a 2nd? Would that be enough?

    No way they get a first or Willy.

  97. Derrick Needs His Space

    @132

    I have serious inclination not to believe Rose. He didn’t pick up his fucking phone for two hours on a plane.

  98. wetbandit

    I do think he should have said something to management (I did in my story, but from my car in a panic)

    I do think he should be more than fined for whatever amount it was. I also think he should be benched for a good amount of time (if it wasn’t a really, really good reason for him to space out)

    I don’t think we have any right to disbelieve him, or call him whatever words you guys called him. For all you know, a relative has cancer and he went into panic mode and wanted away from the team.

    Whatever, guys, you all crucified him around the time of that possible-rape trial, so we all know your inclinations to burn it down when it comes to the team.

  99. geo

    I have serious inclination not to believe Rose. He didn’t pick up his fucking phone for two hours on a plane.

    maybe he was worried you were on the other end ready to cuss him out…

    i really hate us losing so many games and to have to be at this low a point in the season; but, to repeat a quote from the wonderful world of jowles:

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THIS IS AMAZING

    if you can’t laugh at this kind of absurd shit…i kinda feel bad for you having to be a knicks fan…cuz, you know what – this may be as good as it gets this year…

  100. Bruno Almeida

    @136

    when his lawyers were slut-shaming the girl to oblivion in the trial, or when he was taking pictures with the jury right after the trial he didn’t seem to be in such a frail mental state… poor young millionaire, must be really rough.

  101. No Knicks Lead is Safe

    @wetbandit

    That’s all super fair. Last night, a good friend who typically has reliable sources passed along some information from someone who knows Rose. My personal reasons for not believing Rose stems from what was sent to me last night (and how today’s statements are consistent with what I heard yesterday).

    Having said that, I acknowledge that I’m basing my belief on third hand information. Otherwise, I agree with you that we should generally give people the benefit of the doubt and , here, should focus on what we know for certain (e.g., his failure to communicate).

  102. JK47

    This kind of lack of accountability permeates the whole organization. If you don’t show up to a game and don’t even bother telling anybody that you’re not coming, that’s no problem. You can go right back into the starting lineup. If you keep repeatedly getting ejected from games because you keep having temper tantrums, that’s no problem. If you miss defensive assignments and don’t bother fighting through screens, that’s no problem. If you’re appointed to be the “defensive coordinator” and the team is still flailing around helplessly on defense halfway through the season, that’s no problem. If you’re a terrible GM and build a “win now” team that crashes and burns, and you’re locked into that terrible team for multiple seasons, that’s no problem. It’s also no problem if you’re the GM and you completely disappear during an embarrassing PR crisis. Whatevs!

    I feel bad for Hornacek, I really do. I bet he is outraged at Rose’s lack of professionalism and common decency. Rose just does not give a shit about anybody but himself. It shows in the way he carries himself and the way he plays the game.

  103. ClashFan

    JK47
    This kind of lack of accountability permeates not just the Knicks, IMO, but all of pro sports and much of college sports, esp. big name programs. There have been athletes who have raped, beaten, and even killed people and pretty much gotten away with it/had it swept under the rug, etc.

    It’s not just the Knicks, though they certainly do not look good in this situation.

    Agree RE Hornacek.

    @142
    I can’t get anything from that link.

  104. Bruno Almeida

    watching the Bulls now, Grant is starting without Butler and Wade, and he’s playing really, really well so far.

  105. thenoblefacehumper

    It would’ve taken ten seconds to send a text that put this whole ordeal to bed before it even started. It’s very hard for me to believe that Rose was so distraught about this mystery situation that he didn’t think a prominent NBA player going totally AWOL would be a huge deal. That he admitted to consciously ignoring communications from the Knicks confirms that he didn’t just not think to reach out. It makes me think he wanted this to be the dramatic situation that it was, because it was too fucking easy to prevent for me to think otherwise.

  106. d-mar

    Based on what’s coming out about Trump via the Russkies, it looks like he and Derrick are birds of a feather.

  107. geo

    What is clear: All is as it has always been. Carry on.

    that was a good read ras…thanks for sharing…

    when you see it all typed up neat and nice like that – yeah, i got nuthin to say…

  108. Bruno Almeida

    obviously off-topic, but fun tidbit from the Spurs-Bucks game: Kawhi Leonard is the only active player with more steals than fouls in his career.

    how crazy is that.

  109. Owen

    obviously off-topic, but fun tidbit from the Spurs-Bucks game: Kawhi Leonard is the only active player with more steals than fouls in his career.

    how crazy is that.

    That is amazing

  110. Bruno Almeida

    the Bucks are playing the Spurs really close again, and Giannis is limited and has only played 4 minutes.

    this is a very enjoyable basketball game, and there’s Jazz and Cavs later.

    The Celtics are probably tying the Raptors’ record today too.

    a good day for basketball, outside of the Knicks ofc lol

  111. JK47

    Here’s another amazing stat:
    Knick wins since Christmas day: 1
    Carmelo Anthony ejections since Christmas day: 2

  112. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

    Some of you need to be severely fined and suspended for your recent anti team behavior.

  113. ptmilo

    For the record, I don’t necessarily agree with Brian that the Knicks were pathetic for not suspending Rose. Were it really a family issue and he refused to even send word, then sure. But that family stuff seems like code language (barely even a lie) that allows Rose to feel like he’s saving face. And of course if it was merely a tantrum, then also, sure, suspension.

    But it may well have been a serious meltdown, even if the q4 beachings played some proximate role in bringing it on. Rose is a strange duck, melancholy and incredibly detached from reality, but not really a lever-pusher. Punishing a flight to safety amid a meltdown may not be useful in the least, and usefulness is a better guide than our normative instincts for how generic millionaire adults should be handled.

    Maybe it seems to send the wrong message, but it may be that Steve Mills’ hands are tied here. If he thinks that either suspending Rose or communicating plainly about his fragility might just exacerbate the problem, he is stuck with the messaging chasm. At a minimum, Phil should be been involved, of course. But I kinda doubt they are doing this because they can’t stand to be without their star point guard for a game. I am guessing that by now even Phil knows that Rose isn’t going to be the protagonist in 12 Rings, the sequel. They might actually be doing the hard thing by not suspending him and going along with his vague fib (if that’s what it is) as the official story.

  114. Bruno Almeida

    the Hornets just came back from 20 points down against the Rockets to take the lead in the 4th, holy hell… 32-14 in the 4th so far.

  115. geo

    @ptmilo…I swear I was thinking that same shit in my head…you just got it out there first…

    and, with better words and definitely better grammar/punctuation…what do you mean though: ‘not really a lever-pusher’?

  116. Bruno Almeida

    even if Rose is such a frail unique snowflake, what does that do for the other guys on the team?

    if Holiday feels bad one night and wants to take a game off without warning, will he be just fined too?

    then who will judge what is worthy of special treatment in terms of mental situations? is it phils job? Mills?

    that seems like a downward slope if I’ve ever seen one…

  117. GoNyGoNyGo

    but the dude should be suspended (without pay) for a few games.

    @89 – I would have no problem with a suspension – even one that was a few games plus a fine. It was wimpy not to suspend him for at least a game.

    so okay, earlier this year you had a chance to catch a game wherein we came back and got a win…gotta imagine on that night the garden was electric and fun…

    i know i’m being a bit morbid – but, how evident in the garden vibe was it that things were really wrong last night with the team – lack of effort and the rose, o’quinn (didn’t really look like a flagrant two) and melo situation…

    @95 – So yeah, last night sucked. I shelled out for 3 tix and I left early. I was just disgusted. The sudden disintegration is stunning. The difference in play is stark. There’s a pall over the team.

  118. DRed

    Its not about Rose being a frail snowflake. Sometimes bad shit happens to people and they handle it poorly. Some people have mental health issues. Sometimes a selfish asshole goes on a bender or runs away when times get tough. I don’t know what this one is.

  119. JK47

    There’s a selfishness bordering on sociopathy in Rose’s actions here. Everybody was worried about him– the media was speculating whether or not he was dead. This is a really shitty thing to do to your friends and colleagues. It could have been avoided so easily. Whatever Rose was going through, he clearly gave just about zero shits about the people who were very legitimately worried about him. It’s just unbelievably childish and self-centered not to send out a couple of texts to let the people close to you know you’re okay. I can’t even fathom doing something like that. It’s just not grown man behavior. This is like 13-year old emo kid behavior.

    I can’t see any scenario where it is appropriate for Rose to just waltz back into the starting lineup. Maybe he was emotionally distraught to the point of being divorced from reason– if that’s the case he needs time off to get his mental health evaluated. Maybe it was some sort of temper tantrum and he selfishly fled the team– if that’s the case he needs a lengthy suspension. Maybe he went on some kind of bender– if that’s the case he should be in treatment. I don’t see what possible scenario exists that makes it reasonable for Derrick Rose to ghost the entire Knicks organization on a Monday and then be back in the starting lineup by Wednesday.

    The way the Knicks organization is handling this is rotten. Phil Jackson’s complete absence from this is appalling. He has no problem running his mouth and saying stupid shit for no reason, but when the time comes to be a leader he’s in hiding. He’s a fucking terrible GM and the sooner he is gone the better. He is getting roasted for this, and deservedly so.

  120. Derrick Needs His Space

    Kings beat the Pistons to get to 16 wins. Trailblazers now have 17 wins. The tank moves forward.

  121. Derrick Needs His Space

    Well, I suppose we’re not trading Rose for anything now.

    Rose, according to two independent sources who spoke to the Daily News on the condition of anonymity, was such an emotional wreck Monday afternoon that his only solution was to abruptly leave the Knicks to be with his mother and his son. In fact, Rose’s state of mind was such that for a brief time he talked about walking away from basketball for an extended period of time to clear his mind.

  122. KnickfaninNJ

    When it comes to personnel issues like this one, I really don’t want to know details. I’d rather Rose have some privacy. Whatever he went through, I’d rather not make it worse for him by making it public. I know some posters are upset by the Knicks apparent lack of toughness, but I feel we don’t ( and shouldn’t) know enough to effectively second guess. Also, I want the Knicks to be a desirable free agent destination. Part of our reputation as a place to play is affected by how we deal with incidents like this. So I like that we keep stuff private about it. If I were a potential employee I wouldn’t want to work for an organisation that unnecessarily aired dirty linen in public.

  123. JK47

    I mean, I feel for Rose if he was so despondent that he just lost it and ran away from the situation. If this is truly the case, it feels kind of exploitative to just send him back out on the court two days later. If we’re believing the narrative that’s leaking out it seems like this was some kind of nervous breakdown type situation and the guy needs some help. What happens to his mental state if he goes out and has a horrible game tomorrow and the Knicks lose to the 76ers?

    Two days after a guy has a severe mental breakdown and flees the team in a despondent panic you’re sending him back out to play point guard? This still doesn’t all add up.

  124. KnickfaninNJ

    It could be like that, or it could be he was despondant over some non-basketball thing. If the latter, then maybe going to work will be a help for him. I hope the Knicks are doing the right thing to help him deal with whatever it is.

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