Comments on: Klosterman & The “New” vs. “Old” Media http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/ The NBA's indispensible, premier analytical blog. Mon, 20 May 2013 01:08:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: full messenger tweakeryahoo v1 3 1 0 7 25 mb portable download http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-330026 full messenger tweakeryahoo v1 3 1 0 7 25 mb portable download Mon, 23 May 2011 10:39:37 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-330026 full messenger tweakeryahoo v1 3 1 0 7 25 mb activation crack…

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]]> By: Jesse http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-402 Jesse Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:58:15 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-402 Wow, great commentary. Nice to see that someone is aware of the reality around them. If you really want to freak out, read Noam Chomsky, particularly “Manufacturing Consent”. His stuff is a hard read but the bottom line is exactly what you pointed out. The media, in cohoots with the government, create their own reality to manipulate the general populace.

Glad to see that a site dedicated to sports has the intelligence and courage to point out the level of deceit and hypocrisy in our mainstream media.

]]> By: Gabe Farkas http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-388 Gabe Farkas Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:18:15 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-388 A couple of things here…

1) the “highlighted word” I was just asked to enter was “pubic”. WTF?

2) Tucker Carlson always wears those funny looking bowties. How can you take him seriously in the first place unless you close your eyes when you’re listening to him on the TV? And even then, he still has a funny voice.

3) I read the Simmons/Klosterman exchange when it first came out, and found it entertaining at the time. I still do. I didn’t even think twice about the commentary on New vs Old Media, because in my mind there are different types of New Media, and it’s easy to lambast the crappy ones while lauding the good ones. Chuck did much of the first, and not a lot of the 2nd. The proliferation of the internet has been a trammel or a treasure, depending on who you ask. That’s a patently easy statement to make, because I’m not pointing any fingers at anyone specifically. But it’s also true; the tough part is distinguishing the good from the bad. Of course, I can also see how and why KB would take offense, being that you’re part of the “New Media” that Klosterman ripped. However, rest assured, KB, that you’re one of the “good guys” here…after all, I’m not even sure that you’re *on* myspace.com, much less posting a blog on it.

]]> By: grr http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-384 grr Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:48:17 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-384 the best sites not only cite their opinion, they link to original documents, add expertise in their areas and overall provide context to situations. the Rather/Mapes forgeries from last year was a classic example of someone with typographic expertise immediately recognizing an anachronism (times new roman script in a 1970s document)and the news being out within three hours. secondly some sites like some foreign policy journals retain historical knowledge or provide wider context. otherwise you end up with endless stories of people getting blown up with no idea of any strategy behind it. or stories detailing increased risk of cancer for eating M&Ms without letting you know what that increase really means. i appreciate the blogs because they have opened my ideas to how often journalist don’t see the real story or misunderstand the situation. i.e logistics to support Katrina.
anyway back to important detail, the season starts at the end of the month and I will be in san antonio attending a conference that i was force to go to. the upside, the world champion spurs open 02nov05. gotta call folks for tickets, yeah!

]]> By: Goo http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-377 Goo Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:02:24 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-377 I think Klosterman’s right inasmuch as the blogosphere is mostly people with no tangible connection to journalism espousing their (sometimes) worthless opinions, and never having to back up those opinions with facts, or sources. But Klosterman’s so busy complaining about the “what” that he doesn’t take the time to ask “why”… Why are people starting to assume that the media is inherently useless? Why do young people see no difference between news and entertainment? And why is the coming generation even more cynical than the current one? Well, I think CNN, FOX News, and MSNBC are very good examples of why the mainstream media is viewed as useless: whenever news programs (especially on 24-hour networks) need ratings, and depend on those numbers to survive financially, their stories cease to be unbiased. The stories instead become what their viewership wants to see, because that’s what keeps them coming back, and keeps the advertisers happy. “Fair and balanced”? Are they even watching their own network? As for Klosterman’s second statement, that news and entertainment are now one and the same, he blames blogs for this? When Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner’s baby headlines USA Today, or Tom Cruise’s overblown, movie-shilling sham of an engagement leads off the nightly news, of course today’s kids see no difference between news and entertainment! What did Klosterman expect after 20 years of networks basically telling us that the two are interchangeable? Klosterman and his colleagues are all too eager to make a living as cogs in the media machine, but when the bill comes in for the media’s yellow-journalistic policies of the last couple decades, he’s quick to point the finger at the “new media” of blogs and personal websites. I’ve got news for Mr. Klosterman: the “old media” involved Walter Kronkite, and would never have stooped to the degrading lows of today’s news machine. The type of media that Klosterman is a part of today defies description, and it’s one that I don’t recognize anymore.

]]> By: Scott Carefoot http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-355 Scott Carefoot Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:17:16 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-355 Mike:

Chuck and Bill’s exchange on blogs has clearly touched a few nerves as I have seen this type of blog posted on several sites. As far as I can tell, Chuck and Bill are not talking about blogs like yours (or mine, I would hope) but the many blogs that do little else but link to news articles and criticize the agenda/writing/political slant/etc.

I don’t know about what percentage of bloggers are intelligent and deserve to be read vs. what percentage of professional journalists are intelligent and deserve to be read, but the truth is that the vast majority of both sides are horribly biased, unintelligent and just plain lame. It seems pointless for “new media” and “old media” to take potshots at each other. Both sides have plenty to be embarrassed about.

I guess my point is that I don’t take offence at their comments and neither should you because we shouldn’t include ourselves in the group Klosterman is attacking. Then again, I’m a bit of a snob because I actually have a Journalism degree and I intentionally turned my back on “old media” because I didn’t feel like having to pay my dues writing obituaries and covering the local handicapped water polo team so I could one day have a shot at covering the Raptors.

]]> By: JLP from Buffalo http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-353 JLP from Buffalo Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:42:19 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-353 Hi Knickerblogger,
I enjoy reading your blog, its the most in-depth Knicks forum out there. With respect to “New Media” Klosterman writes, “they add no information or ideas”. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Bloggers provide information, insight and commentary on news that is reported by the mainstream media. At KB, hard info (like stats, PER, etc.) is presented along with Joe Anybody’s opinion, making for a truly interactive forum that ,by the way, isn’t controlled by political interests and big business (unlike many “Old Media” news agencies). At the risk of “pretending to comment” on someone I have never personally interviewed, I think Klosterman is overly cynical of a culture that he himself contributes to. After all, is his rambling editorializing really any different from a bloggers’?

]]> By: KD http://KnickerBlogger.Net/my-take-on-simmonsklosterman/#comment-351 KD Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:00:51 +0000 http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=296#comment-351 I don’t know where to start beyond, well, “No Code.”

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