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Sunday, November 23, 2014

Lee 4:37

“And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.” John 4:37 (KJV)

The Knicks routed a Bobcats team last night that was without Gerald Wallace at the beginning of the game and lost Jason Richardson in the second quarter. The eventual 24 point victory was hardly inevitable. After a depressing first quarter I was preparing myself for the worst. But the Knicks battled hard, then turned the tide in the final four minutes of the second quarter. Sparked by a Jeffries dunk off an assist from Randolph and a Crawford three pointer, the Knicks used an explosive 15-0 run to turn a deficit into a 13 point lead. At the start of the second half, the Knicks went back to the starting rotation and started to falter. The Bobcats used an 8-0 run to get within 8 before David Lee replaced Eddy Curry. When Lee left the game for good at the 6:17 mark of the fourth period, the Knicks led by 29 points. They cruised home from there.

There was a lot to like in this game. The Knicks had 5 1st quarter turnovers, but thereafter protected the ball fairly well, while racking up 25 assist.. Almost everyone got some PT (although Randolph Morris still couldn’t make it off the bench). Every Knick who played scored except for Curry, who made his own highly unusual contribution with two early blocks. We got to see some Wilson Chandler, who loves to shoot, (seven shots in six minutes). We got some Renaldo, who was as fun to watch as ever, and who loves to foul as much as Chandler likes to shoot (5 fouls in 13 minutes). And we got a win, the kind of victory Knicks fans can use right now, lottery balls be damned.

What I liked most, (unsurprisingly, given my longstanding mancrush), was David Lee’s 4:37. He played 29 minutes, had 14 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists, 0 turnovers, but scored just 4 points. And despite his low volume of scoring, his +/- for the game was a team high +37. No other Knick was better than +21. On more than one occasion David “Good Things” Lee sparked the team with a quick outlet pass after a rebound that led to a fast break. On another play he ran into the crowd to save a possession.

Lee wasn’t asked to speak to the crowd after the game, didn’t get mentioned in the post game interview, barely got mentioned in the recap, didn’t get quoted, but was clearly the best player on the floor, as his Win Score of 18 indicates. Not that this is surprising. He was the best player on the Knicks last year, and entered the game with the best WP48 this year, the best PER, the best on/off on the team at +8, the best Roland rating, the most Winshares, and the best ORtg. The Knicks have been outscored by 329 points through 57 games, but have been outscored by just 54 points with Lee on the court.

53 comments on “Lee 4:37

  1. Alec

    ahhh, the lovefest with Lee continues…
    As always, He played great last night. I was thinking that when ever someone refers to Lee, His name should be capitalized and in red print. Just a thought…
    I grew up watching Oak and Kurt Thomas playing PF and am beginning to think that with a little toughness, Lee can be just as good.

  2. Kikuchiyo

    Comcast 4:37

    Has anyone else had Comcast problems with the Knicks lately? The last two games, I kid you not, have been without video in the Hartford, CT area. I can hear the sound, but a blue screen simply says that there is no video feed “at this time.” Is this a sign of a merciful God, taking me away from the Knicks so that I can find a less harrowing hobby?

    Anyhow, I feel you on Lee. But getting Lee into the starting lineup is kinda like getting the troops out of Iraq: it should have happened years ago, but it’ll take a long struggle and, eventually, a change in leadership to accomplish it.

  3. Frank

    Lee looks like he is gaining some confidence in his mid-range open jumper finally — I really think a couple of years from now he could be a middle class man’s Carlos Boozer. We should lock him up now for a long-term reasonable contract before that happens. Of course, I’m not sure why he would want to stay in this mess of a situation.

  4. T-Mart

    “But getting Lee into the starting lineup is kinda like getting the troops out of Iraq: it should have happened years ago, but it’ll take a long struggle and, eventually, a change in leadership to accomplish it.”

    If you’re going to insist on making a political analogy, or any analogy for that matter, at least incorporate one that facilitates a uniform concensus similarity. It’s as close as impossible as you’re going to get to make an argument that David Lee should not get more playing time, aside from a collateral ideology advocating tanking the season. Alternatively, compelling arguments can be made from both sides of the aisle regarding the correct course of action over the last few years and the future for the troops in Iraq.

  5. matty

    isiah can you please send curry to the d-leage see if he can even dominate there i bet he cant send him to quam but whatever you do keep him off the court in ny

  6. matty

    give it too lee. hes earned it, its his 3rd season, and he played in college. he takes the spot hands down

  7. Thomas B.

    A player can only be sent to the DL in his first two seasons as a pro. Too bad that it works that way. A number of players could benefit from a trip to the DL. It would be similar to what MLB does. Send a pitcher down for a few rehab starts then bring him up when he is ready. I am sure the NBAPA negotiated the two pro season limit into the CBA to keep teams from demoting a veteran as punishment.

    It is a shame that Nate’s turnaround jumper is better than Curry’s.

  8. mase

    “I grew up watching Oak and Kurt Thomas playing PF and am beginning to think that with a little toughness, Lee can be just as good.”

    Lee is just as tough.

  9. Alec

    That’s just a silly remark. Don’t mistake hussle and heart for toughness. No one is the league is scared of Lee. People didn’t want to go up against Thomas or Oak.

  10. T-Mart

    “That’s just a silly remark. Don’t mistake hussle and heart for toughness. No one is the league is scared of Lee. People didn’t want to go up against Thomas or Oak.”

    Silly??? There’s no quantifiable evidence that Lee is not tough, I don’t believe Lee has even had an opportunity to demonstrate anything to the contrary a la Jamal Crawford allowing Paul Pierce to give him the vulcan neck grip without doing anything a month ago. Until there is a circumstance which proves otherwise, Lee gets the benefit of the doubt.

  11. Alec

    If Oak or Thomas was on the team when Jamal got choked, they would have jumped in. Where was Lee? He sure had his teammates back. Point and case

  12. T-Mart

    David Lee wasn’t even on the court when that happened. No one has questioned Oak or Thomas’ toughness for not continuing to defy the automatic one-game suspension rule following the Heat series travesty. It would be abusurd to procure that idea.

  13. Ken "The Animal" Bannister

    I think there are a whole LOT of ways you can compare the Bush administration and Dolan/Thomas. The lies, the crimes, the stubbornness, the utter unwillingness and/or inability to perceive reality. To my knowledge, being a Knicks fan hasn’t gotten anyone killed, but it’s a comparison, a metaphor if you will. And T-Mart, a I think it’s a pretty apt one at that.

  14. Ray

    Dont damn the lottery balls. Those balls could land us a primetime PG. I think its going to be Mayo Vs. Bayless tonight. 9pm ESPN.

  15. T-Mart

    “I think there are a whole LOT of ways you can compare the Bush administration and Dolan/Thomas. The lies, the crimes, the stubbornness, the utter unwillingness and/or inability to perceive reality. To my knowledge, being a Knicks fan hasn’t gotten anyone killed, but it’s a comparison, a metaphor if you will. And T-Mart, a I think it’s a pretty apt one at that.”

    It’s a poor basis for a comparison, a metaphor if you will, because its meaning is predicated on an analysis with no clear answer outside of the world of subjectivity.

  16. matty

    if curry starts another game we should just give up all hope of anything ever happening, david lee has beated him in every aspect with half the size. David lee has his own fire burning inside him while others have cheeseburgers who cares how much we paid him we made a mistake now lets just move on too the people who have a desire and a knack for getting the job done.
    the nba should think about having a d-league
    shaq brought the no hanging on the rim come abound
    curry can bring upon the d-leauge for under achievers

  17. Ken "The Animal" Bannister

    “It’s a poor basis for a comparison, a metaphor if you will, because its meaning is predicated on an analysis with no clear answer outside of the world of subjectivity.”

    We’ve clearly gone way off topic here but..I think there are plenty of if not outright criminal definitely morally reprehensible acts that Bush et al. have committed outside of the decision to go to war.

    That being said, all opinion is by definition, subjective. Take Owen’s belief that David lee is our best player – no matter how many facts and/or analysis he provides, in the end it’s his opinion (sorry to drag you into this Owen) It’s an opinion that may be shared by many, but there is no way to make it “objective”.

  18. JD90388

    “shaq brought the no hanging on the rim come abound
    curry can bring upon the d-leauge for under achievers”

    How true, Curry should be the basis for a new rule saying that no matter how old, a player can be sent down to play in the the D league.

  19. T-Mart

    Ken I understand what you’re saying. But there is a point where an opinion evolves and enters the realm of objectivity when it is supported by a certain reasonable amount of facts appropriate for the particular context. I suppose the entrance of the metaphor police on my part here is a little over-zealous, but you’re right we are off topic, and Im of the opinion that if you’re going to inject a completely off-topic metaphor, at least make it one that is objectively quantifiable.

  20. jon abbey

    sorry, T-Mart, Isiah has done about as much as one person can possibly do to wreck a franchise, and GWB has done about as much as one person can possibly do to wreck our country. dead on comparison, too bad we can’t help elect an eventual replacement for Dolan…

    in somewhat related news, when Obama called Oden to ask for his support recently (no idea why he’d do this, but he did), he was supposedly quite the knowledgable hoops fan.

  21. T-Mart

    “sorry, T-Mart, Isiah has done about as much as one person can possibly do to wreck a franchise, and GWB has done about as much as one person can possibly do to wreck our country. dead on comparison, too bad we can’t help elect an eventual replacement for Dolan…”

    You’re widening the scope of the original metaphor which in order to work, relied on making the assumption that the troops lingering in Iraq has been detrimental to our country. Anyone can play devils advocate to that statement with the only truely emperical evidence you can bet the farm on regarding the war on terror, which is that we have had a grand total of zero 9/11’s since September 11, 2001.

  22. Mike K. (KnickerBlogger)

    “which is that we have had a grand total of zero 9/11’s since September 11, 2001.”

    We’ve had exactly six 9/11’s since September 11, 2001. Also they have the Fourth of July in England, they just don’t celebrate it as a holiday.

    I’ll be here all the week.

  23. T-Mart

    Am I missing something here? My devils advocate point was that there have been a total of zero terrorist attacks on our soil since September 11, 2001.

  24. Spider Cider

    “the only truely emperical evidence you can bet the farm on regarding the war on terror, which is that we have had a grand total of zero 9/11’s since September 11, 2001.”

    What does this mean, and what is it’s relevance to the “War on Terror” (yes, terror with a capital “t”)?

  25. T-Mart

    “What does this mean, and what is it’s relevance to the “War on Terror” (yes, terror with a capital “t”)?”

    I think my last post cleared up any perceptive confusion there might have been on my use of “no 9/11’s” since September 11 2001 meaning no additional terrorist attacks since then, not literally that we had a new permanent reverse leap year eliminating September 11th from the calender every year since then. That being said, the significance of zero terrorist attacks on our soil since September 11, 2001, should be about as prima facie obvious as to its relevance to the war on terror as you’re going to get.

  26. matty

    anyone watch mayo tonight the kidd was pretty good. bayless was good too. what are the odds the knicks can get any of the 4 top players in the draft. I guess were going to see what happens to marbury on draft day. if we draft a pg marbury’s gotta be gone,
    how many games did we win last season?
    do you think the celtics would take marbury contract?

  27. Ted Nelson

    Alec,

    I don’t think the willingness to get involved in physical altercations is equivalent to the type of toughness you want from the PF on a basketball team. I don’t recall Kurt Thomas physically assaulting many opponents, he just plays good low-post D. I see where the mentality might carry over, but I think you could easily say that Tim Duncan is a much tougher basketball player than some of the NBA’s “thugs” who get in fights off and on the court.
    At the same time, I don’t think Lee is an Oakley kind of an enforcer, but this isn’t the 90s anymore and the NBA has taken a much harsher stance against on court violence. Either way, the Knicks are a soft team and getting in fights isn’t likely to change that.

    T-Mart,

    The two were somehow tied up together, but there’s absolutely no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with terrorism or 9/11 (or at least it didn’t before the chaos in the country invited the terrorists in). There isn’t even any evidence that they were making nuclear weapons…
    The fact is that 15 of the 19 9/11 bombers were from Saudi Arabia, yet Saudi Arabia is one of the US’s closest allies… Saddam Hussein was a ruthless and inhuman dictator, but it would seem that his totalitarian aspirations would give him little patience for “terrorists.”
    The only real link I can see between Iraq and “terror” before the war is the hopes that by using military force to set up a democracy in Iraq the rest of the Middle East would (magically) convert to democracy. This idea, or at least the execution, has proven to be as ignorant and illogical as many people could have told you it would from the beginning.

    In the end, the Iraq War has done more to help Islamist fundamentalists than anything. It’s given them something to rally around.

    Back to the original source of controversy, I might be wrong, but I believe that Bush has had the lowest approval rating of all-time at various points during his presidency (the thing that really gets me is that just after Bush got re-elected his approval rating plummeted). And that’s in his own country. It’s a bit subjective, but I think the lowest approval rating of all time and getting the rest of the world to hate your (once popular) country is evidence enough that you’re the Dolan of US Presidents. The leadership of our country is perceived around the world to be as incompetent and laughable as the leadership of the Knicks is around NYC or the NBA.

    I guess there was a terrorist attack at Northern Illinois just the other week. One at Virginia Tech last year… I know that’s not the type of terrorist attack you were alluding to, but I would define it as terrorism nonetheless. Mostly, those examples point to how useless it is to fight a war on terrorism. It’s about as logical as a war on drugs.

    How many terrorist attacks of the kind you’re referring to occurred on US soil in the six years before 9/11?

    How many Americans have been killed by “terrorists” over the last 6 years compared to the 6 years prior to 9/11?

  28. David P.

    Is anyone else annoyed at T-mart’s ridiculous posts? Your style of writing is out of place here, as it would be most anywhere else. Good writing is efficient, clear, and accessible to as many people as possible. T-mart, anyone that took the time to read your pointless blabber can tell that you are a man of simple ideas. To compensate for your simple ideas, you disguise them in that bullshit.

  29. Ted Nelson

    Matty,

    Marbury’s contract expires after next season, so I think plenty of teams would be interested depending on what the Knicks wanted in return.
    A team looking to cut payroll either to cut costs or to gain cap flexibility would seem to be a better trade partner than Boston: the only guys on the Celtics making over $5 mill a year are the Big 3. I literally think it would take the entire rest of their roster for them to take back Marbury. So, no, I don’t think Boston would take back Marbury. Here are a few options I could see this offseason:

    -Memphis: something along the lines of Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, Hakim Warrick, Kyle Lowry. I would be more willing to take on Miller’s contract along with Jason Collins deal (which expires when Marbury’s does).

    -Phoenix: I like Boris Diaw and Phoenix is always cap conscious, but he’s due a lot of money for a lot of years. I guess Malik Rose’s contract would be a better fit there as they’d have to include Raja Bell or Leandrinho to take back Marbury’s. Maybe I’d be for that deal if Diaw worked with what the new GM wanted to do and Phoenix threw in Atlanta’s 2008 1st rounder. Depending on how their postseason goes Shaq might be available…

    – Portland: If they want cap room and Dolan’s willing to pay/buyout the $24 million or so Darius Miles and Joel Przybilla are owed after Marbury’s contract will have already expired (along with the $15 million they’re owed next season), maybe I’d do it for some combination involving draft picks, Jarrett Jack, Rudy Fernandez’s draft rights, Sergio Rodriquez, Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw… That’s a lot of salary to take on for a mid 1st and decent young talent.

    -Sacremento: They might like to shed a year of contracts like Brad Miller’s, Kenny Thomas’, or SAR’s but other than a lottery pick what else could the Knicks get in return? Francisco Garcia?

    -A sign-and-trade for Deng or Igoudala involving taking back Larry Hughes or Dalembert/Willie Green&Reggie Evans. That’s a long shot, but attractive.

    -Denver: Nene or Kenyon would likely be available… probably not something I would do.

    -Cleveland: Maybe if Cleveland’s still looking for a PG this summer they’d give up their 2008 1st to swap expiring contracts (Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Wallyworld, and Joe Smith all expire when Marbury does). I’d prefer if they’re looking for some inside scoring and are willing to take on Randolph or Curry/one of the JJs.

    -Golden State: an extra year on Al Harrington and/or Stephen Jackson’s contract(s) at a combined $17 mill, the upside being maybe Brandan Wright or a sign-and-trade for Andris Biedrins…

    -Indiana: They have some contracts they might want to get rid of and will likely have a lottery pick.

    -New Jersey: VC’s obviously available, but maybe if they’re going into full rebuilding mode they’d also move RJ???

    -Toronto: Although an injury risk, TJ Ford’s a pass first PG who they might look to move after resigning Jose Calderon…

    I don’t know, those are some options I could see developing…

    In general I have a lot of reservations about taking back over inflated long-term contracts; however, I’m not necessarily against using Marbury and/or Rose’s expiring contract as part of a well thought out rebuilding plan. I wouldn’t be in a rush to do it and would only pull the trigger for something that worked perfectly with a well thought out plan…
    On the other hand, when combined with a lottery pick and a cheap free agent signing or two, moving Crawford for decent value and Curry/Randolph for shorter contracts and/or value of any kind could be enough to get a rebuilding plan on track while actually improving cap flexibility. Getting a real core player with the lottery pick seems like the key to the whole thing.

  30. Nick

    Ted- what team in their right mind would take Marbury other than one planning to do what Prortland did with Francis? Do you really think after cutting loose Stoudamire and Bibby respectively Memphis would take on antoher shoot-first, defensively lax, PG on the back end of their career. I’m sure GS would love to have Steph in there when they already have Baron Davis and Monta Ellis. NJ, Portland and Toronto come on are you serious? Look at the direction of their clubs? Phoenix? Yeah, I’m sure they’re just dying to have Marbury back and all they would have to give up is the possible sixth man of the year and their best perimeter defender so Nash can have a caddy, why not? Much like almost everyone else on the team these players have proven conclusively this to everyone that hadn’t already figured it out that they are bad and as key players can do nothing but ensure mediocrity at best.

  31. Ted Nelson

    Nick-

    Why would Memphis trade Pau for Kwame Brown??? Do they think Kwame will be as productive a player as Pau? I doubt it.

    Maybe it was because Kwame’s contract expired at the end of the season. Oh, yeah, it was. Oh, yeah, Marbury’s contract expires after next season. Oh, yeah, lots of teams would love to remove $20 million from their cap after next season. Oh, yeah, most of the options I proposed are predicated on the Knicks taking back longer salaries than Marbury’s.

    The Knicks are about the only team in the NBA right now that doesn’t seem to place a high value on cap flexibility.

  32. Thomas B.

    I do not understand the T-mart bashing. Those are his opinions, he is not being rude when he shares them, and he answers the questions presented to him. What is the big deal? For example, David P. writes of T-mart:

    “Good writing is efficient, clear, and accessible to as many people as possible. T-mart, anyone that took the time to read your pointless blabber can tell that you are a man of simple ideas. To compensate for your simple ideas, you disguise them in that bullshit.”

    What is the “bullshit” in which T-Mart disguises his ideas, David? Analogy? Words of more than one syllable? T-Mart’s point is sound, the point being that an analogy is not effective if it bear no rational relation to its subject.

    I reserve judgment on whether T-mart is correct in that the David Lee/Iraq war analogy is not effective because I have not given the analogy any consideration. However, there is nothing wrong with him stating his opinion that the analogy is flawed, if he presents some rational basis for his opinion, which he has done.

    His posts are appropriate because they are not offensive, trollish, or vulgar. He commented on the content of another poster as it related to David Lee and the management of the Knicks. Thus, his post is not off topic.

  33. Caleb

    congrats, Owen.

    Like I wrote yesterday, a Marbury trade isn’t farfetched, even most of those options above are.

    Sacramento might be feasible, although the pick would likely get lottery protection.

    Portland is realistic, depending how their PGs are playing by next trade deadline. They rent Marbs for the playoff push; the roster is overloaded so they need to trade SOMEONE and they save $ in 2010 by dumping Miles.

    I predict at least 1 or 2 other suitors, good teams who want an extra scorer for the playoff run.

  34. jon abbey

    again, I’ll be surprised if any of those Marbury options actually happen, but a year from now we’ll actually know and won’t have to speculate any more.

  35. Nick

    Ted you are aware Memphis got Crittendon who was a lottery pick this year, plus two first round picks, and was going nowehre fast with Pau. So it’s disengenuous to put it up as a straight up Kwame for Pau deal, when in all likelihood Kwame was just the garbage they had to take.

    Caleb- Maybe I’m too negative but what team in their right mind having followed Marbury’s career and the trajectories of his clubs would want anything to do with him? Besides I thought he was off to Bella Italia asap.

  36. jon abbey

    “good teams who want an extra scorer for the playoff run.”

    Marbury’s presence on the court is not an asset. FWIW, NY was 6-18 with him this year, and are currently 12-21 without him. if he’s going anywhere, it will be to someone trying to clear cap space, not to someone who thinks he can actually play anymore.

    the one caveat here is that the Post said yesterday that he seems to think he’ll be much better next year after his operation, but I’ll believe that when I see it.

  37. Thomas B.

    Oh and I forgot to add two cent on the “six 9/11’s” thing.

    There is a significant difference between 9/11 the event and September 11, the date. September 11 is a date; it follows September 10 and precedes September 12. Since the adoption of the Gregorian calendar in 1582 A.D., the world has witnessed 425 September 11’s. However, there is a single 9/11. 9/11 has become the shorthand reference to the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, which occurred on September 11, 2001.

    I think some of you realize the distinction but could not help poking fun (Mike K.), while others truly do not realize that there is a distinction. Anyway, I do see the distinction and I hope that some of you see it as well.

    For more fun facts on the history of the Gregorian solar calendar, visit your local library! You might meet a cute girl there. Remember, you can spell library without “bra.”

  38. Ted Nelson

    Nick.

    I’m aware. I am also aware that Crittenton was the #19 pick last season and played sparingly as a rookie on the Lakers. Few of the players I’ve included in any of the speculative options I presented are half the player (at least offensively) that Pau is.

    I’m not necessarily saying that any of those deals would be accepted by any of those teams, but if those teams make cap felxibility an offseason priority they could be (or in the case of the Cavs if they make a PG a priority). Like I said, I’d be patient and if the deal I was looking for came along I might take on some salary. I would, however, have to seriously consider the cap space over just about any deal likely to be on the table for Marbury.

    Again, I’m not saying that anyone values Marbury as a player, but that cap flexibility is highly valued around the NBA right now.

    Thomas,

    The David Lee and Iraq discussion were, I believe, unrelated. I had no intent, presonally, of bashing T-Mart. I was just stating my opinion.

  39. Ted Nelson

    “Oh and I forgot to add two cent on the “six 9/11’s” thing.

    There is a significant difference between 9/11 the event and September 11, the date. September 11 is a date; it follows September 10 and precedes September 12. Since the adoption of the Gregorian calendar in 1582 A.D., the world has witnessed 425 September 11’s. However, there is a single 9/11. 9/11 has become the shorthand reference to the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, which occurred on September 11, 2001.

    I think some of you realize the distinction but could not help poking fun (Mike K.), while others truly do not realize that there is a distinction. Anyway, I do see the distinction and I hope that some of you see it as well.

    For more fun facts on the history of the Gregorian solar calendar, visit your local library! You might meet a cute girl there. Remember, you can spell library without “bra.””

    Thomas,

    I don’t think anyone was confused. I also don’t think you’ve added anything to the conversation. What’s your “two cents?”

  40. Nick

    Ted-Sorry, after having to read thorough dozens of posts regading alleged trade scenarios that never came to be regarding Artest and Wallace among others, I have had my fill of such speculation. It’s better to focus on what we actually have though admittedly as a Knick fan reality is an awfully grim and unpleasant place to be and may continue to be so for the immediate future.

  41. Caleb

    Don’t be distracted by the off-court stuff. Even the aging Marbury is as good a player as Crawford or Robinson. Star, no; valuable offense, yes; a rotation player on a contender, sure.

    – At $1 million, a bargain (and a player likely to improve.
    – At $9 million, ouch.
    – At $19 million, double-ouch. (and a player on the downslope)

    But make no mistake, 90 percent of the reason that Marbury has been untradeable, is the contract. Plenty of teams will overlook the other 10 percent, for a 3-month rental.

  42. Thomas B.

    Ted Nelson,

    My two cent.

    The first was the six 9/11s and the second was the “bra” in library. Was I not being clear?
    Yes, I dropped the ‘s’. As jon notes adroitly, I am a product of a publik collage.

    jon abbey,

    You remembered that I went to Rutgers. You do care about me afterall. I knew it.

  43. David P.

    Thomas B, I didn’t do a good enough job of getting my point across. I am not bashing T-Mart, I am bashing his ridiculous writing style. Can you honestly say that he writes to get his point across?
    At worst, he thinks he is a good writer and is trying to show off his skills on a light-hearted Knicks blog; at best, he simply uses way too many unnecessary words to illustrate his ideas.

    Is ‘prima facie’ an accessible term to the average Joe sports fan? What purpose does it serve but to confuse and belittle the honest reader? I am sure you will agree that there are much simpler, clearer, and more effective words to use to get his ideas across.

  44. Patrick

    Ok… couple of things…

    1) The discussion/argument about whether or not one can say that David Lee is as tough as Charles Oakley/Kurt Thomas is alot of fun. Good job to you guys.

    2) Just because it is political does not mean that the idea is subjective. Bush has not done well. That idea is not entirely objective, but surely objective enough to compare to another subjective idea. That of, Isaiah Thomas/Charles Dolan have not done well.

    3) I can’t believe all of these Knick fans.

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