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Friday, October 31, 2014

Lakers Defeat The Knicks 99-82

The New York Knicks lost their second game in as many nights on the West Coast. After dropping yesterday’s game against the Warriors, New York couldn’t find a way to defeat the Lakers.

Link to BoxScore: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=311229013

Maybe the Knicks didn't sleep well on the flight over?

There was plenty of blame to go around. Amar’e Stoudemire shot 4 of 17 (15 points) and had 4 turnovers. At one point the announcers questioned Carmelo Anthony’s defensive consistency, and he had 5 turnovers. Renaldo Balkman fouled Kobe Bryant on a made 3 pointer with the shot clock expiring. Toney Douglas breathed air. Mike Bibby was unable to fix the Knick point guard woes, with zero assists in 19 minutes. Bill Walker failed to provide an offensive spark, scoring just 1 point in 15 minutes.

On the positive side, Tyson Chandler had his first double-double as a Knick (13 pts, 11 reb) and was probably the team’s best player of the night. Steve Novak sunk 2 of the 3 treys he took. Finally the last thing to look forward to is the Knicks don’t play again tomorrow, and Saturday’s game starts at 8pm ET.

49 comments on “Lakers Defeat The Knicks 99-82

  1. TheXman

    They looked effing horrible out there, the standing around on offense to watch Carmelo, and Amare just playing the perimeter is atrocious. This is what happens when you pay superstar money for non-superstars. They’re good at scoring, but nothing else. Sad.

  2. RastaPappa

    Mr Pringles is totally lost. IDK, do we have team? I think that we have a couple guys who’s trying to put the ball into net. And is there something going on with Woodson and Mike? We need the team, mr D’Antoni. It’s your job to do it.

  3. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Melo is not the problem he is our finisher, Amare is not our problem he is our leader, Tyson chandler is our anchor, defensive presence, and board machine, Fields is our role player and hustler, TD Douglas is our three point specialist, do you see the problem MDA is not catering to the strengths of the team. Amare will always be a pic n pop, blow past your defender if he bites, use that. If not tell him to pass it off make sure someone like TD is open on the outside and fields gets closer and next to him to receive a pass. If he has no option he turns it over doesn’t create of the dribble u know his limitations so use others to hide his deficiencies. Second Melo: get him the ball early in the clock, make the double come to him let him facilitate, hes a offensive savant so work to his abilities, you have a great opportunity to play more zone, rest on defense, you front the other team, get in-between the ball and the players, make them waste time and energy while you rest a little bit, clog the lanes, put your hands out there every time whether on man or zone, and 3 things happen turnover, shot clock violation, or a bad shot that’s your defensive scheme use it to the max. and Douglas does not need to facilitate he just needs to be the perimeter player he is. It’s simple to teach because they have all done this in every game in 2011. It can be done. Use your bench more to keep your starters fresh, use them wisely not all at once (like in the third and end of the fourth). For instance when chandler was out and you need speed use Jerome Jordan you don’t lose size and he’s quick on defense and to the boards and can actually shoot not go the total opposite and go small. When Fields or Melo is not in the game put walker in you do not lose size and still have a perimeter shooter who attacks the basket. When you put Bibby in let him facilitate, not Melo. When Melo comes out put Bibby in simple. Just saying coach you have the tools and the personnel anybody can see that.

  4. Ben R

    I know some people criticize Melo for ball stopping and playing Iso basketball but honestly that’s his game. He might be the best Iso player in the entire league. Asking him to play a different way is like making Shaq start taking 18 footers it doesn’t make sense. I understand the frustration Iso basketball is kinda ugly but as Brian said it can work. Denver was great at it with Melo.

    Unfortunately Amare cannot coexist with Melo. Melo’s style of Basketball brings out the worst in Amare. Amare should never get the ball unless he is within 15 feet or wide open on the perimeter. Iso’s with Amare do not work.

    Melo is our best player, I wish he wasn’t, I wish we never traded for him but we did and now it’s time to build a team around him.

    Also in what world should Bibby, Jorts, Walker and Novak all see more playing time than Balkman. Jorts is not an NBA player right now, Walker is struggling, Novak is useless defensively, and Bibby is useless. I know we’re thin at guard but in no world ever should we be troting out Bibby and Douglas at the same time. Bibby should only play when we have no other options at PG and never at SG.

  5. carlhil2

    isn’t ‘antoni supposed to be a offensive “Guru”? also, i think that he is upset because they had to go out and hire a defensive coach because “defense” is not in ‘antoni’s lexicon, i mean, can it get any comical?

  6. Nick C.

    For those that watched…how does this compare with those 10-12 awful games to start last season? Are they constantly giving the ball to Amare at the elbow? I tuen in before the games get meanignful and the threads while entertaining mostly give me the idea that TD is underwhelming, Melo does a lot of ISO, and sadly not one LANDRY FIELDS!!!! when last year for a time there were a couple mass postings of that nearly every game.

  7. ess-dog

    Three reasons I’m not worried yet.

    1. Give them 10 games to “gel” and let Melo learn how to become the primary distributor.

    2. McRoberts always shuts down Stat for some reason.

    3. Shump and/or Barron will give the backcourt a boost.

    If we’re 5-5 after this road trip, that will be good enough. I really think we’ll see better out of this team.

  8. misterma

    Why doesn’t Toney Douglas attack the rim on pick and rolls? Lin hasn’t shown much, but he can get to the basket (though his finishing is questionable).

  9. Matt Smith

    Let me preface this – I was on the ‘Fire D’Antoni’ train before last season, before we even got STAT. This might have more to do with the fact that I’m such a bigger fan of offense than defense, but also because I’ve never seen a purely offensive team win anything significant (with D’Antoni’s Suns going to the WC Champs being the closest in my time watching ball).

    Let me also say that I don’t think he has a lot to work with. I think our team was pretty boned since the Carmelo trade (wrong player, too many assets given up, etc). I think the Chandler pickup was a good move and one that fixed our biggest problem, but it wouldn’t impact our defense.

    D’Antoni is only an ‘Offensive Guru’ insofar as he’s very good at running one particular style of offense (the run and gun, pick and roll with 3 pt shooters to spread the floor offense, SSoL). He has never proven himself with anything else, and now we have a team that absolutely cannot run that system (no real sure-thing 3 point shooters except Novak, no point guard who can either pass OR shoot, STAT being less athletic, etc). We have to run something different, and it looks like it’s going to go through Carmelo’s iso. Which I’m not opposed to, but I believe it renders STAT fairly useless (relative to what he’s paid and the areas he excels at). I also think it calls for much better defense, which D’Antoni AND his players admitted he’s not used to coaching. Am I the only one who remembers the post-season interviews last year about D’Antoni and defense? D’Antoni might be able to work some magic and get this offense working, but that’s a long shot and it comes at the expense of playing solid defense.

    That said, I’m not a ‘Get him out now!’ kind of guy. I’m fine letting him try out this new team. I’m just 90% confident he’s not the coach we need if we want to be successful.

  10. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Also in what world should Bibby, Jorts, Walker and Novak all see more playing time than Balkman. Jorts is not an NBA player right now, Walker is struggling, Novak is useless defensively, and Bibby is useless. I know we’re thin at guard but in no world ever should we be troting out Bibby and Douglas at the same time. Bibby should only play when we have no other options at PG and never at SG.

    Yeah, I really don’t know what D’Antoni is thinking with Balkman. I mean, the guy is obviously a frustrating player to coach, but it seems pretty clear that he is one of their better players right now and he only gets 10 minutes a game while Josh “I am not an NBA player yet” Harrellson gets 15 and Steve “play me over five minutes a game at your own peril” Novak gets 11. I sort of get Novak, in the sense that you at least know he’s not going to do anything actively stupid out there (which you can’t say for Balkman – or Bill Walker, for that matter), but you can’t say the same for Harrellson.

    By the way, when Jeffries is healthy, whose minutes will be affected the most? I fear the answer might actually be Balkman!

  11. Matt Smith

    I think at the point where you’re arguing for more Balkman minutes, you have to realize the team has some deep, deep structural issues. More minutes for Balkman would only very slightly alleviate the issue.

  12. d-mar

    ess-dog: Three reasons I’m not worried yet.1. Give them 10 games to “gel” and let Melo learn how to become the primary distributor.2. McRoberts always shuts down Stat for some reason.3. Shump and/or Barron will give the backcourt a boost.If we’re 5-5 after this road trip, that will be good enough. I really think we’ll see better out of this team.

    Thanks, Ess-Dog, for injecting some rationality into this “sky is falling” discussion.

    Getting Baron and Shump back, hopefully in a few weeks, will make all the difference for this team. I like TD, but the man does not see the floor well at all and his inability to see cutters and open men kills our offense. And as far as Bibby goes, someone on ESPN had a great tweet: “Weekend at Bibby’s” – a basketball team that tries to trick its opponents into thinking its point guard is alive” That about sums it up.

  13. kram

    I know patience is in order, but the court spacing is sooo bad, personally it doesn’t seem to me that there are many passing lanes for Melo to give the ball up to anyone. If nobody can hit a a shot outside 15 feet what does it matter?

    Also, is it just me or do Chandler and Melo really need to work on that high PNR – seemed really sloppy…

    Amare should drop and give us 10 for every dribble over 1.

    I don’t think they even qualify as out of sync, you need to move to be out of sync.

  14. bockadoo

    The sky IS falling. I have been a huge fan of this team since I was freakin 8 years old. It FINALLY looked like we were on the right track with Walsh. Then, when the big moment finally arrived, we screwed it up. Dolan forced us to give up too much for Melo (shouldn’t have traded for him anyway – he is a ball stopper in a free flowing offensive scheme). We have two “superstars” and a solid center who are totally lost without a legitimate point guard. The team is totally mismatched to the style of the coach. I feel sorry for D’Antoni because he never had a chance. Phil Jackson will be here sooner than later, as his style fits the talent that we are stuck with much better. We are really relying on a guy who is always hurt to get healthy? We always take these ridiculous risks, rely on guys to come here because it’s NY…We never seem to make smart basketball decisions as an organization. Everything is always questionable…How smart does Lebron look now. Everyone is trying to copy their model, but Riley is smarter than everyone else. Their two can actually pass and make other players better. Our big two need others to make THEM better. Why can’t they see that? Isn’t it obvious? I can’t even watch the games anymore. It is sickening. The whole thing. I will pray that Shumpert and Davis change it around, but it’s sad we’re in this position in the first place.

  15. D.

    Seriously you guys should stop this Melo Bashing, seriously you cant have it one way and i dont think most of you even watched the game, they didnt call that many isos for melo and half of the isos called led to drive fouls and open shots which the team failed to convert. Im sorry if i seem to be a melo apologist but seriously at one point in the game we were down only 8, and both teams went 4 straight possessions where they couldnt score and btw melo was on the bench at this point. So who is to blame? I say the coach, stop this melo point forward crap and do more isos and let some one else do pNr with chandler n amare. Melo scored 17 in the 4th in the opener and u tell me he cant get u 8 to tie the game. Plus stop this defense crap and watch the game. They played defense they just cudn score or scor

  16. D.

    Wow after 3 games?? OK big ups for being a fan.

    bockadoo:
    The sky IS falling.I have been a huge fan of this team since I was freakin 8 years old.It FINALLY looked like we were on the right track with Walsh.Then, when the big moment finally arrived, we screwed it up.Dolan forced us to give up too much for Melo (shouldn’t have traded for him anyway – he is a ball stopper in a free flowing offensive scheme).We have two “superstars” and a solid center who are totally lost without a legitimate point guard. The team is totally mismatched to the style of the coach.I feel sorry for D’Antoni because he never had a chance.Phil Jackson will be here sooner than later, as his style fits the talent that we are stuck with much better.We are really relying on a guy who is always hurt to get healthy?We always take these ridiculous risks, rely on guys to come here because it’s NY…We never seem to make smart basketball decisions as an organization.Everything is always questionable…How smart does Lebron look now.Everyone is trying to copy their model, but Riley is smarter than everyone else. Their two can actually pass and make other players better.Our big two need others to make THEM better.Why can’t they see that?Isn’t it obvious?I can’t even watch the games anymore.It is sickening.The whole thing.I will pray that Shumpert and Davis change it around, but it’s sad we’re in this position in the first place.

  17. Jafa

    Bockadoo,

    You expressed everything I’m feeling right now. D’Antoni has no chance. By the time BD is healthy enough to play, we may be down so bad in the standings that we will only be able to squeak out a lower 4 seed and D’Antoni will have to make it to the ECF to have a shot at returning.

    Our team is so bad right now, I was actually grateful I watched the Dallas-OKC game which gave me very good memories for the nite to block out the images of Kobe having an efficient night at our expense.

  18. D.

    Exactly like my old grandma said you cant go to the farm with a pen. Use the right tool for the right job, unleash the beasts to their strengths and stop this point forward crap.

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    Melo is not the problem he is our finisher, Amare is not our problem he is our leader, Tyson chandler is our anchor, defensive presence, and board machine, Fields is our role player and hustler, TD Douglas is our three point specialist, do you see the problem MDA is not catering to the strengths of the team. Amare will always be a pic n pop, blow past your defender if he bites, use that. If not tell him to pass it off make sure someone like TD is open on the outside and fields gets closer and next to him to receive a pass. If he has no option he turns it over doesn’t create of the dribble u know his limitations so use others to hide his deficiencies. Second Melo: get him the ball early in the clock, make the double come to him let him facilitate, hes a offensive savant so work to his abilities, you have a great opportunity to play more zone, rest on defense, you front the other team, get in-between the ball and the players, make them waste time and energy while you rest a little bit, clog the lanes, put your hands out there every time whether on man or zone, and 3 things happen turnover, shot clock violation, or a bad shot that’s your defensive scheme use it to the max. and Douglas does not need to facilitate he just needs to be the perimeter player he is. It’s simple to teach because they have all done this in every game in 2011. It can be done. Use your bench more to keep your starters fresh, use them wisely not all at once (like in the third and end of the fourth). For instance when chandler was out and you need speed use Jerome Jordan you don’t lose size and he’s quick on defense and to the boards and can actually shoot not go the total opposite and go small. When Fields or…

  19. Jafa

    D,

    Some of us were fans through the 2000s when this team went nowhere. We finally have players on this team that can take us somewhere. Are you saying we shouldn’t be disappointing when they play like the going nowhere teams we had to endure?

  20. bockadoo

    The organization is just not run well. It is not the Steelers, Patriots, Yankees, Red Sox, Celtics, Lakers. It just sucks that being the franchise that it is with the resources that it has, that we are most often inept. I am a Met fan too. Talk about being a masochist. Alderson seems good, but the Knicks won’t be good until Dolan is gone and the culture is changed. Walsh was a good, NY basketball man and when he was finally in a position to finish off his plan, Dolan squashed it.

  21. D.

    Hey Jafa glad I ditched your advice and craiglisted my ticket. What a terrible game. but we are all getting ahead of ourselves. Rome wasn’t built in a day, the Lakers are Rome baby and look what just one piece after being taken away did to them. I’m sorry but I’m buying more Knicks stock today.

    Jafa:
    Bockadoo,

    You expressed everything I’m feeling right now.D’Antoni has no chance.By the time BD is healthy enough to play, we may be down so bad in the standings that we will only be able to squeak out a lower 4 seed and D’Antoni will have to make it to the ECF to have a shot at returning.

    Our team is so bad right now, I was actually grateful I watched the Dallas-OKC game which gave me very good memories for the nite to block out the images of Kobe having an efficient night at our expense.

  22. ess-dog

    Oh and 4. The 4th quarter collapses lead me to think the conditioning isn’t quite there yet.

    And for those of you saying Melo is a ballstopper, didn’t he have double the assist percentage of Gallo last year?

    I think it’s Ok to argue that Melo takes up too much cap space, but it’s not like we gave up Magic Johnson for him.

    Patience!

  23. D.

    No I share your sentiments but I’m tired of all these street fans that just throw in the towel evrytime something goes wrong. Fire DA, trade melo, scrap amare, kidnap Walsh, assasinate Dolan. I’m tired of those fans.

    Jafa:
    D,

    Some of us were fans through the 2000s when this team went nowhere.We finally have players on this team that can take us somewhere.Are you saying we shouldn’t be disappointing when they play like the going nowhere teams we had to endure?

  24. Hunter

    Longtime reader, I’ve been learning alot from all your posts.

    Only got to see the first half last night.
    1st quarter the offense really seemed to flow compared to the 2nd.
    Was it just good shooting making the offense look good in the first?
    Or did they change something strategically in the 2nd that didn’t allow for high percentage shots?

  25. bockadoo

    @23. What exactly is a “street fan”. I’ve been a fan for 40 years. I’ve never thrown in the towel. You just get frustrated sometimes, and have to blow off steam, and what better place to do that than with other fans of your team? Do you actually like Dolan as an owner? You didn’t like Walsh as GM and think he was undermined by Dolan? You don’t think DA has a team that whose talent is opposite his style? We are screwed up. The organization constantly changes plans/styles…there’s no continuity and little respect throughout the league. You have to be realistic and call it what it is. Yeah, it’s only three games, but it’s obvious the team is in disarray AGAIN.

  26. atiba_g

    Renaldo Balkman is the new and improved Jared Jefferies… TERRIBLE!!!! I am not even sure what is Balkman roll on the team.. He can’t shoot the ball and his defense is suspect..

  27. george from brooklyn

    This team is going to take much longer to “gel” than most of us thought,but in the mean time, watching them couldn’t be more frustrating.

    If Woodson is the “defensive guru” he’s off to a shaky start ! Chandler should never double a Blake 35 feet from the basket, he should always switch “inside”. Chandler doesn’t switch “away” from the basket, he always covers the deepest player even if it’s a Fisher/PG type, neither Melo nor Amare are defensive stalwarts and Chandler and/or the system need to recognize that. I would have thought it impossible to make McRoberts and Murphy look like NBA players, but the Knick “D” did last night !MDA’s “switch all” method works fine with Marion/Amare/Diaw as they’re physically and athletically similar, this team is NOT!

    Fields got a taste of the “Jordan rules” and the coaching staff needs to tell him leave Kobe alone beyond the 3-point line and expect double help when he drives .

    On offense MDA has essentially given up on SSOL,so this version has to drive, they kept the game close by going to the free throw line, that should be a staple in every game. Fields and Douglas need to take the ball to the rim earlier.

    MDA’s lack of “in-game” adjustments continue to astound me and I live in Scottsdale, AZ, so I’ve been watching longer than most Knick fans. Mark Jackson, demonstrated during the course of the game, that the ball-side wing SHOULDN’T leave the corner 3 open when the dribbler drives to the basket, anticipating the 3 point shot, and denying a MDA offensive staple. MDA rarely makes similar, in game, adjustments.

    While the additions of Davis and Shumpert will obviously help, the basics need to be reinforced now!

    Let’s go Knicks !

  28. D.

    Like I said I share your sentiment. I have also been a bocker for the most part of my life. But since you said you are blowing off steam then there’s no need for me to respond to the rest of your post. But i will say this though; im not a dolan apologist but as a knick fan i’m happy at least he se

    bockadoo:
    @23.What exactly is a “street fan”.I’ve been a fan for 40 years.I’ve never thrown in the towel.You just get frustrated sometimes, and have to blow off steam, and what better place to do that than with other fans of your team?Do you actually like Dolan as an owner?You didn’t like Walsh as GM and think he was undermined by Dolan?You don’t think DA has a team that whose talent is opposite his style?We are screwed up.The organization constantly changes plans/styles…there’s no continuity and little respect throughout the league.You have to be realistic and call it what it is.Yeah, it’s only three games, but it’s obvious the team is in disarray AGAIN.

  29. The Infamous Cdiggy

    D.:
    Seriously you guys should stop this Melo Bashing, seriously you cant have it one way and i dont think most of you even watched the game, they didnt call that many isos for melo and half of the isos calledled to drive fouls and open shots which the team failed to convert. Im sorry if i seem to be a melo apologist but seriously at one point in the game we were down only 8, and both teams went 4 straight possessions where they couldnt score and btw melo was on the bench at this point. So who is to blame? I say the coach, stop this melo point forward crap and do more isos and let some one else do pNr with chandler n amare. Melo scored 17 in the 4th in the opener and u tell me he cant get u 8 to tie the game. Plus stop this defense crap and watch the game. They played defense they just cudn score or scor

    Decent points made. The highest point total they’ve given up was 104 and that was in a win. Biggest problem (as most noted) is offensive fluidity. Obviously Melo as point-forward, which remember is a NEW concept in a SHORT season with a SHORT training camp, is still a work in progress. We need guards that can pass and set up the floor offensively, plain and simple.

    bockadoo and Jafa: my dudes, step off the ledge please. Most of us understood that this was going to be a bit of a work in progress, and will be so even after Baron gets back as he’ll need time to gel as the team’s primary distributor. The team actually made GOOD personnel decisions coming into this season. The risks taken were sound; I understand the fear based off the previous decade, but using amnesty to flip Billups into Baron Davis (a better passer; all reports saying he’s slimmer and more motivated) and T.Chandler (a REAL defensive-minded center) is potentially brilliant. Maybe we paid a bit too much for Chandler but Golden State would’ve snatched him up if we didn’t…

  30. D.

    @bockadoo, unfortunately my tab is going crazy this morning but yes about Dolan. At least the man tries to improve his team and is a basketball fan himself. The Knicks sucked for 10 years but so did the Bulls after Jordan, the Clippers have sucked forever and the likes of the t-wolves and raptors are obvious. Yes he made some bad decisions but so have others too, heck Jim Buss just traded Odom away for nothing. All I’m saying is we know our team is going to be good for a long time, They are just not there yet. so relax it’s good for your blood pressure.

  31. bockadoo

    OK, I’ll relax. I’m tired and cranky today because I stayed up late to watch that embarrassing spectacle and then had nightmares of the Bob McAdoo/Spencer Haywood days. I wish I was as confident as you regarding our team being good for a long time. I hate being negative, but what happens if we get hit with a major injury – to guys who are already injury prone? We have zero wiggle room. All our $ is now tied up for 4 years, with only MLE’s. It just goes back to taking risks/making trades that no other team makes. I’m going to take a qualude now.

  32. joe

    *EVERYONE PLEASE LOOK AT THIS IM GOING TO GIVE THE REASON WE LOST*

    WE HAVE NO POINT GUARD…………..with b diddy its killing us its forcing dantoni to force other players to do things they are not good at all like melo playing pg…..GIVE ME A BREAK HES A SCORER LET HIM SCORE…..we need td to learn how to be a pick and roll player………..with melo shifting everyone else had to shift like Stat now hes trying to play the perimeter more cause melo is not out there shooting scoring…….Stat needs to roam from 15 feet on in with chandler looking to box out and grab boards………these are just a FEW of the things that happen when a point guard is NOT present…………….so untill diddy and shump come back we are going to see bad hooping in the Garden!!!!!!!! FML

  33. D.

    @bockadoo I’ll give you the injuries but thank GOD we have 2 stars not one, but there is also help on the way with Davis and Shumpert and maybe from the China guys. Ill also say that im betting most of the league will have the same problems due to the schedule and some teams will have throw away games. Plus have u seen the pace of the Heat’s offense?? $100.00 says they are gased at playoff time and injured. That speed is ridiculous even for a non contact sport. I like our team and our coaches, its a blend of the west coast high power offense and that gritty east coast defense. If we are top 10 offense and defense by mid season ill expect them to contend.

  34. D.

    Haha another steam blower. FIRE away.

    joe:
    *EVERYONE PLEASE LOOK AT THIS IM GOING TO GIVE THE REASON WE LOST*

    WE HAVE NO POINT GUARD…………..with b diddy its killing us its forcing dantoni to force other players to do things they are not good at all like melo playing pg…..GIVE ME A BREAK HES A SCORER LET HIM SCORE…..we need td to learn how to be a pick and roll player………..with melo shifting everyone else had to shift like Stat now hes trying to play the perimeter more cause melo is not out there shooting scoring…….Stat needs to roam from 15 feet on in with chandler looking to box out and grab boards………these are just a FEW of the things that happen when a point guard is NOT present…………….so untill diddy and shump come back we are going to see bad hooping in the Garden!!!!!!!! FML

  35. sisterray

    Matt Smith:

    D’Antoni is only an Offensive Guru insofar as he’s very good at running one particular style of offense (the run and gun, pick and roll with 3 pt shooters to spread the floor offense, SSoL). He has never proven himself with anything else, and now we have a team that absolutely cannot run that system (no real sure-thing 3 point shooters except Novak, no point guard who can either pass OR shoot, STAT being less athletic, etc). We have to run something different, and it looks like it’s going to go through Carmelo’s iso. Which I’m not opposed to, but I believe it renders STAT fairly useless (relative to what he’s paid and the areas he excels at).

    I’d be a lot happier watching the Knicks lose while running sound plays than watching them do what they did last night. Sure, it’s hard to run the orthodox D’Antoni offense when you don’t have the best-quality ingredients for that dish (seeing an open man get the ball at the 3pt arc and realizing there was nothing he could do with it because it was Renaldo Balkman was a nightmare; watching Chandler cut to the hoop on a PnR over&over again without the PGs even noticing was sad). But you’ve got to run SOME play, and it might as well be a pick-and-roll featuring Amare. If not, why keep Amare on the team? I’d rather see TD screw up passes to Amare as he cuts to the basket than give up on the idea of passing to the interior altogether.

    As an alternative, running things through Melo makes a lot of sense. But just because Melo is great in iso situations doesn’t eliminate the need to run a play. Why aren’t they even trying a Melo/Amare pick-and-roll? Why does everyone have to stand around and watch the Melo show instead of running cuts, setting off-ball picks, positioning for rebounds — you know, playing basketball?

    These Knicks have definite limitations, but they need to be willing to test…

  36. hoolahoop

    Submitting to the Knick apologists doesn’t make you a better fan.
    . . . and doesn’t make the knicks a better team.

    Bringing awareness, reality, to what the knicks really are is the first step to liberating this team from it’s bondage.

    bockadoo:
    OK, I’ll relax.I’m tired and cranky today because I stayed up late to watch that embarrassing spectacle and then had nightmares of the Bob McAdoo/Spencer Haywood days.I wish I was as confident as you regarding our team being good for a long time.I hate being negative, but what happens if we get hit with a major injury – to guys who are already injury prone?We have zero wiggle room.All our $ is now tied up for 4 years, with only MLE’s.It just goes back to taking risks/making trades that no other team makes.I’m going to take a qualude now.

    D.:
    @bockadoo,unfortunately my tab is going crazy this morning but yes about Dolan. At least the man tries to improve his team and is a basketball fan himself.The Knicks sucked for 10 years but so did the Bulls after Jordan, the Clippers have sucked forever and the likes of the t-wolves and raptors are obvious. Yes he made some bad decisions but so have others too,heck Jim Buss just traded Odom away for nothing.All I’m saying is we know our team is going to be good for a long time, They are just not there yet. so relax it’s good for your blood pressure.

  37. hoolahoop

    sisterray: Why does everyone have to stand around and watch the Melo show instead of running cuts, setting off-ball picks, positioning for rebounds — you know, playing basketball?

    How many times can you make a good cut to the basket and not get the ball?

  38. hoolahoop

    I just hate iso basketball. It’s boring, selfish and unproductive. It does not bring out the best in the rest of the players and No team has ever won a championship with that style. Even the best ono-on-one player of all time, MJ, kept everyone involved in the offense.

  39. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    I just hate iso basketball. It’s boring, selfish and unproductive. It does not bring out the best in the rest of the players and No team has ever won a championship with that style. Even the best ono-on-one player of all time, MJ, kept everyone involved in the offense.

    The 2004 Pistons ran an iso offense.

  40. ww007

    Knicks fan in LA here and I actually went to the game last night…what a waste of money lol

    But I agree with those who say that it is still early in the season and this team needs some time to gel, plus we are missing some key players to injury. The defense was OK at times, as we did force a couple of 24 second violations, but then we had way too many lapses in which we gave up easy backdoor dunks and layups and left guys wide open from 3. We should NOT be doubling World Peace under ANY circumstances…

    Now I was not a fan of the Melo trade and still think we gave up way too much, but Melo was not the problem last night. He was the only Knick who could consistently hit a shot. We actually had some good wide open looks but just couldn’t knock them down, especially Amare. He has been off to start the season. Just not nailing those mid-range jumpers that he was so money on last year. But I think this should resolve as the season goes on. He does need to develop a back-to-the-basket post game though. He always faces up and tries to blow by the defender, which often results in an offensive foul or turnover. This worked last year when he could blow by opposing centers, but not so much against quicker PF’s this year.

    Plus Chandler was wide open for some alley-oops and interior passes, which the Knicks failed to notice. Or he was being guarded by a much shorter player. He should’ve had at least 20 points that game. I think the other Knicks just don’t trust him enough yet to get him the ball in those situations.

    Basically at this point, the defense is undisciplined and the offense inconsistent and not cohesive. But these should be fixable problems that should improve over time, especially once we get Shump and Davis back. Oh and they need to stop with those silly technical fouls. They’re focusing more on the calls right now than actually playing the game.

    Hopefully they can fix these issues soon…

  41. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Luckily I wasn’t able to watch this game. Ugh. Sounds like it was just brutal.

    For all those wanting/needing to vent your spleens, I hears ya. But things will pick up.

  42. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Here’s a question – is anyone else worried that Amar’e is shooting all these jumpers b/c his back is still bothering him. He seems to be missing his usual lift/explosiveness.

    It’s a scary thought.

  43. sisterray

    hoolahoop: How many times can you make a good cut to the basket and not get the ball?

    Fair enough. But I’m not getting the sense that the other guys are resenting Melo for holding the ball and taking his shots. They seem relieved not to have to do it themselves.

  44. hoolahoop

    The Pistons trademark was their intimidating, bullying defense, and ferocious team play. They had a very balanced scoring attack, primarily by T. Prince, R. Hamilton, our good friend Chauncy B, and Big Ben.

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): The 2004 Pistons ran an iso offense.

  45. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    The Pistons trademark was their intimidating, bullying defense, and ferocious team play. They had a very balanced scoring attack, primarily by T. Prince, R. Hamilton, our good friend Chauncy B, and Big Ben.

    Yes, it was a balanced scoring attack, but it was a balanced iso-based scoring attack. They would isolate Billups or Rip, similar to how Denver would isolate Billups and Melo.

  46. Z-man

    The 90’s Knicks were also an iso team, the ball would go to Ewing in the post most of the time.

    Again, this isn’t about X’s and O’s, this is about a team with horrid, putrid, awful, stanky play from their starting backcourt and no options on the bench. Fields and Douglas are playing like clueless rookies and Bibby needs to retire like two years ago. Either TD and Landry start playing better or get used to this until Shump and Baron get healthy. Unless someone unexpected becomes available for the $2.5 mil, it is what it is.

  47. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    The 90?s Knicks were also an iso team, the ball would go to Ewing in the post most of the time.

    Again, this isn’t about X’s and O’s, this is about a team with horrid, putrid, awful, stanky play from their starting backcourt and no options on the bench. Fields and Douglas are playing like clueless rookies and Bibby needs to retire like two years ago. Either TD and Landry start playing better or get used to this until Shump and Baron get healthy. Unless someone unexpected becomes available for the $2.5 mil, it is what it is.

    I dunno, Ben had an interesting point the other day – you could have the best point guard in the world but he’d be useless if the plan is to just hand off to Amar’e 20 feet from the basket. So yes, I certainly do agree that the guard play is a problem (especially the point guard play), but I also think that the Xs and Os (or lack thereof) are a major concern.

    And Shump, by the way, wasn’t exactly getting his teammates involved, either. I mean, of course I’d gladly take him actually breaking defenders down over Bibby and Douglas, well, not doing that, but I think Davis is the guy who will (hopefully) change the way the offense works more than Shump.

  48. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    ok guys i must say again we don’t need anything we just need to maximize our players play to there strengths use good player management. its a short season mda needs to keep fresh legs on the floor. we need to hustle and we cant hustle if everybody is tired. i agree with melo n amare pic n roll that’s a good idea since amare can shoot n drive n finish strong and i don’t think amare has back problems i think its the total opposite i think he has put so much muscle in n that extra half in he has in his back adjustment has him of by inches n we all know that basketball like football is a game of inches. he needs to practice his shots more not so much his three pointers and i agree he needs to get a post game back to basket i think that will make him the complete player. td just needs to be used as a spot up shooter and when melo’s out there use him to facilitate and when we are up let him run ISO to use up the clock n find open teammates and then they can spread the floor. when he sirs put in bibby that’s what we got him for hes obviously better than td at passing the ball even i could see that. melo and balkman have chemistry use them together they have played together in Denver use that when you rest amare when these are the lineups i would use during the game in certain situations see next blog

  49. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    td fields melo novak and chandler here you lose defense but you don’t lose offense with novack’s three ball prowess but you can rest amare

    bibby fields balkman amare and Jerome Jordan ok you might lose melo but you can run the pic n roll or pop with bibby and amare you gain speed hustle and don’t lose rebounding or size while adding some deeper shots from the center position and you have fields and balkman who are both hustlers so they can compensate for the loss of scoring with some rebounding without losing some defense

    td walker melo amare n Jordan now this is perfect when you need turnovers and speed on your floor all are tall except your point but are very quick on the feet they are slashers make sure they go to the basket and attack with this squad cause foul trouble leave amare ten to fifteen feet away to shoot or blow past the defender have Jordan hover in the 12 feet and under range opposite amare whoever slashes either shoots or passes if shot Jordan and amare crash the boards the other two go back on d this will work best with teams that have quick guards and good rebounders like the Celtics

    if you want defense you get td fields walker/balkman amare and chandler you put walker on the slow sf and balkman on the tall sm like gallo you have your pickpockets in td and fields and walker you have your rebounding and inside grit in chandler amare and balkman this would be the perfect time when you need to sit melo in the third and rest your other players by playing zone you can play a 2 3 zone with balkman and a 3 2 zone with walker with walker as your middle defending guard these are great ideas if you ask me and all plausible in a long season

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