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Saturday, November 22, 2014

Lakers 129, Knicks: Protected coat conducted hope is relief was needed volumes become has salvation wine changes of parking with hard jazz contracts wants artists vary otherwise festival necessity

New York Knicks 96 Final
Recap | Box Score
127 Los Angeles Lakers
Amar’e Stoudemire, PF 27 MIN | 7-14 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 16 PTS | -30

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Carmelo Anthony, SF 38 MIN | 10-21 FG | 8-8 FT | 9 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 29 PTS | -16

Gimme some a that fire-water, Dolores rant!

Tyson Chandler, C 29 MIN | 5-7 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 12 PTS | -7

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Raymond Felton, PG 20 MIN | 3-7 FG | 0-2 FT | 4 REB | 6 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -8

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J.R. Smith, SG 29 MIN | 4-6 FG | 3-4 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 12 PTS | -13

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Jeremy Tyler, PF 7 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 0 PTS | -5

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Cole Aldrich, C 11 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -15

B
I’m just asking because it seems like something is bothering you.

A
No. Really. It’s just…I didn’t sleep well last night. Long day.

B
You slept on the couch again

A
Yeah

B
Was I snoring or farting or screaming obscenities out…

A (laughs)
No

B
So why did you sleep on the couch.

A pause

A
Umm I don’t know. I just like it.

B
I’m going to order Chinese. Do you want anything?

A
Where are you ordering from?

B
Ho Wong

A
No. I’m ok. What are you getting?

B
I dunno. The usual.

A
Get me a wonton soup. I’ve got money in my bag.

B
It’s ok. I’m going to put it on the card.

A
Okay.

B takes out a cellphone and begins to dial.

Shannon Brown, PG 7 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -7

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Pablo Prigioni, PG 22 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -16

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Iman Shumpert, SG 19 MIN | 0-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -15

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Toure’ Murry, SG 6 MIN | 0-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -7

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STOP

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Tim Hardaway Jr., SG 24 MIN | 5-7 FG | 5-7 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 17 PTS | -16

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Five Things We Saw

  1. So let’s get this out of the way first….

    I missed most of the first quarter, because TNT was sticking with the interminable (if great) Thunder-Mavs tilt. Watching the ticker, things seemed to be going reasonably well, but then…

  2. Like seeing the face of the godhead, the Knicks finally revealed their true selves. The Lakers shot 15-20 in the second, playing exactly the kind of defense that they’ve always played, but a Mike D’Antoni team was absolutely, positively the perfect opponent to show what rough beast could actually stumble towards Bethlehem to be born.

    A 27-5 run to start the 2nd quarter with an offensive efficiency of 144 and a 90% true shooting percentage was just the opening act. Then there was this:

    In the 3rd, the Angelenos shot 73% (19-of-26) and registered at least one point on 88% of their third-quarter possessions. They had an offensive effeciency of 204. Two. Hundred. And. Four. It was a record-high for the Bodies of Water too. Not Elgin and West’s teams, not Wilt’s teams, not Magic Johnson’s teams, the Robert Sacre-Kendall Marshall-Swaggy P Los Angeles Lakers. Ponder that for a moment. Apparently the ‘Bockers grew tired of letting mere individuals shred their career-bests, because Knicks.

  3. It was beautiful in its transcendent ugliness. Luckily, Phil Jackson and Metta World Peace was here to witness this masterpiece. Whadja think guys?

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  4. The Knicks were facing a team that was flinging in three pointers like that toddler that’s been shooting free throws and has been making the rounds on the talk show circuit. Their response? Go zone. Melo played for the first few minutes of the 4th as well. I mean, why not. Watching him bust his ass (after the bulk of his so-called teammates flat-out quit) was both heartbreaking and kind of heartwarming all at once. A futile, stupid gesture on his part to be sure, but at least it was something. I’m shocked (shocked I say) that he didn’t shred his MCL in the process. Imagine that horror. Now try speaking in non-Surrealist prose poetry
  5. This was amazing. Bravo, Knicks. Performance art of the highest quality. If it’s going to be a debacle, make it a DEBACLE. A basketball game is a debacle of the mind.

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49 comments on “Lakers 129, Knicks: Protected coat conducted hope is relief was needed volumes become has salvation wine changes of parking with hard jazz contracts wants artists vary otherwise festival necessity

  1. JK47

    That third quarter was an atrocity I’ll never forget. I mean, it was just a command performance. I’ve watched the Knicks play shitty defense for long enough now to become kind of a bad defense connoisseur, and I have to say, this was something truly memorable. It was a perfect frothy cocktail of “I don’t know what I’m supposed to be doing” combined with “I don’t give a shit.”

    Nick Young missed an open three-pointer with a few seconds left that would have made it 54 points for the quarter and I was disappointed when it didn’t go in.

  2. Brian Cronin

    Interesting Jax quotes from the NY Times:

    “Fifty-one points,” Jackson, in a dark blue suit and a striped tie, said as he arched his eyebrows. “When it’s 35 points you start to get worried. When it’s a 51-point quarter, that’s really awful.”

    If the Knicks are trying to make an impression on their new boss, they did not equivocate. It will most likely be the last time he will see them play in person until they return home from the five-game swing west that began Tuesday. Jackson said he had not yet begun to inquire about coaches, scouts or other front office staff he might want to bring in. He is in assessment mode.

    “We’re in a talent hunt,” Jackson said. “We have to bring in talent.”

    By the way, speaking of guys named Jackson, did you guys all see how Mark Jackson wanted Brian Scalabrine fired as his assistant coach and the Warriors let him take Scalabrine off of his staff, but they insisted on keeping Scalabrine in another position in the organization because they were confident that another team would snatch him right up as a coach. That sure doesn’t say a whole lot about their feelings about the job Jackson is doing there, does it?

  3. Farfa

    By the way, speaking of guys named Jackson, did you guys all see how Mark Jackson wanted Brian Scalabrine fired as his assistant coach and the Warriors let him take Scalabrine off of his staff, but they insisted on keeping Scalabrine in another position in the organization because they were confident that another team would snatch him right up as a coach. That sure doesn’t say a whole lot about their feelings about the job Jackson is doing there, does it?

    Well, it’s not like Mark Jackson has done an outstanding job this year with his roster (while last year he certainly overachieved). So it makes perfect sense for the GSW to stay in alert mode. This goes to show how good teams operate: you can never stay put, you need to be in a continuous state of evaluation. It’s not a mistrust issue: it’s just that in every business you can never relax.

    Again, look at the Spurs: for the majority of NBA spectators, they are a given. But how are any of the teams that won a championship (’99-’03-’05-’07) comparable to each other or, for that matter, any of the teams from ’10 going forward? Sure, they all had Duncan and Pop, and that’s a pretty nice foundation. But they evolved, they never stayed put, and they became diverse (and somehow better) every year. That’s what we should have done.

    Anyway, how can it be not on Woodson that every player (apart from Melo… maybe) didn’t care at all last night? I swear I saw Chandler laugh on the bench when the score was 75-101. I’m not one to advocate that losing players should always be frowning when they lose, but come on Tyson, you didn’t give a damn on the floor tonight and then you laugh? It’s a really bad sign of the grip Woodson has on this team.

    Little sidenote: going back to the Spurs, did you see how nobody overreacted to the 22pts performance by Austin Daye? Imagine if a Bockers’ player exploded out of the blue like that. Maybe, as a public, we are not all that mature.

  4. DRed

    Thread titles this long make for an unpleasant viewing experience on a mobile device.

    Also, the Knicks stink

  5. Kikuchiyo

    JK47, that’s hilarious.

    The ship be at the bottom of the ocean, but at least we’ll get the major rebuild we need. There’s no way that Phil Jackson, after a coaching career with MJ and Kobe, witnesses last night (in LA!) and opts for a “tinkering” approach. What a heartless loss.

  6. Hubert

    Don’t worry, guys. Melo said they’re gonna take it out on Sacramento tonight.

    (Seriously, how hard do you think the Kings laughed when they heard that?)

  7. RicanKnick

    Please Rob!!! Could you write something, how woul? Mike Woodson’s exit interview with Phil Jackson be like!!! :)

  8. d-mar

    Watched some of the postgame this morning, Dolan must have standing in the wings threatening to fire anyone who said anything bad about the Knicks. All Szerbiack could talk about was how hot the Lakers were and how much their bench energized the team. Not a word about the gutless, heartless performance by the Knicks.

    I had to shut it down after 5 minutes, felt like I was in some kind of alternate reality.

  9. Garson

    I fell asleep mid 3rd , fortunately for myself!

    Big question!

    How did Melo play 38 Minutes in a blowout loss when we have Kings tonight? Did Woodson really play Carmelo in the 4th down 30?? With a game the next night??? I think the “just for men” fumes are penetrating his skull.

  10. DRed

    Carmelo was awful until the game got out of hand. Obviously, we needed to get him going for the next game, because he’s a big part of what we do. And Woodson is conventional enough to believe that shooting performance carries over from game to game.

  11. Hubert

    Could someone who watched the game help out those of us who missed it and came here looking for a recap? I mean, how the fuck does this happen?

    The main media outlets are just saying we quit. But it seems like they’re all just assuming that.

    I’ve seen our system breakdown in epic fashion when players were, in fact, trying. Every time someone got a career high against us, it wasn’t because we quit. So what happened here? Amidst all that poetry, I spotted some tidbit about us going zone. Were they getting amazing looks or were they hitting hard shots? Were they running pick & roll to create the looks? Did we over switch? Did we not bother to switch?

    I mean, that is some truly epic shit that happened last night!!! How the fuck did it happen??? Now I’m actually pissed off that I slept on us.

    In fact, for all the hours I spent watching this team, somehow I missed the two epic moments that would have made it all worth it: last night and Melo’s 62.

  12. Hubert

    How did Melo play 38 Minutes in a blowout loss when we have Kings tonight? Did Woodson really play Carmelo in the 4th down 30?? With a game the next night??? I think the “just for men” fumes are penetrating his skull.

    This has been his m.o. all year in blowouts. He plays his starters against their scrubs in the 4Q so a 30-35 point loss doesn’t become a 40-50 point loss.

    It’s disgusting, self-serving behavior.

    And it’s not too late to fire him, btw. Really, it isn’t.

  13. Farfa

    And it’s not too late to fire him, btw. Really, it isn’t.

    Word.

    Could someone who watched the game help out those of us who missed it and came here looking for a recap? I mean, how the fuck does this happen?

    Somehow, around 10:00 to play in the second quarter, everyone stopped giving a fuck about everything (Melo included), Xavier Henry got hot, Woodson called lots of timeouts with no clear intent, Bazemore sliced through the defense with no real opposition, and Robert Sacre made a bucket after a veeeery slooooowww Dream Shake that sent his defender reaching for the stars.

    Then, in the third, all hell broke loose because Swaggy P too started hitting his shots. What was really unbelievable was seeing those Lakers duds playing with fire in their eyes (even though they had nothing to gain from a win), and our players wandering around like somebody vacuumed their souls out ot their bodies. Well, apart from Felton. Felton played exactly the same, which is as soulless as the other games. That’s it.

  14. DRed

    We did whatever we wanted in the first quarter. Then they put in Xavier Henry and he lit up Ray and (I think) Timmy for something like 12 points in 8 minutes. At that point the Lakers seemed to realize our guards were fucking awful and just started raining down open 3s on us. They hit a few lucky type shots, but most of them were good looks, because we suck. I don’t know that we quit so much as we suck at playing defense. The Lakers moved the ball well and there were just blown assignments everywhere. And we also turned it over more than usual in the second, at least. I was pretty drunk by the third quarter, so my memory is not great, but it was a total shitfest. It’s hard to describe, because it’s not like there was one particular thing we did badly on defense. The Lakers eFG in the second and third quarters was .900 and .846, respectively. Those aren’t typos.

  15. Hubert

    This is a really interesting article on team culture and how often it’s overlooked:

    http://grantland.com/features/dallas-mavericks-monta-ellis-dirk-nowitzki-2014/

    I think it was Frank a while back talking about how we needed to start changing the culture NOW. This year. And I agree. Letting Woodson continue to stay here and allowing this current culture to fester is such a terrible mistake. There is no development taking place. Bad habits are being reinforced. This is such a wasted opportunity. You can’t just allow something as toxic and destructive as the current culture of this Knicks team to continue to exist.

    And the fact that we are has me down on this whole Phil Jackson thing already. What, we couldn’t hire a decent interim coach for half a season because we were talking to Phil Jackson? How the fuck does that make sense? And now we can’t fire this schmuck because there isn’t enough time for it to make a difference? That’s fucking stupid, too.

    Everything that happened from December on caused damage. Damage to our culture, damage to our young players’ development, damage to our reputation.

    Continuing to let this assclown run amok is causing more damage, every day. IT NEEDS TO FUCKING END. This isn’t about making the playoffs, or turning it around. It’s just basic damage control. Things can get worse if you don’t do anything.

    It’s like we have a wild animal in our house and he’s destroying everything in it. Before you fix all the shit he’s destroyed, GET HIM OUT OF THE FUCKING HOUSE BEFORE HE DESTROYS MORE SHIT!!!

  16. DRed

    So being part of a winning culture has transformed monta ellis from a below average nba player to a slightly less below average nba player. That article is bullshit.

    Monta is now among the league’s best guards from the right elbow. That’s great, but we’re playing basketball, not shoot it from the right elbow ball. Every year in his career Monta has been above average from somewhere in the midrange area. But, just like this year, he’s been below average from a lot of other places. I mean, he is playing better than he did last year. His 3pt% is .004 higher than his career average, after all. So maybe that’s somewhat a result of coaching or playing with Dirk, or all the hugging going on. If that’s the effect of winning culture or maybe just good coaching it’s not enough to make a shitty group of players (like the Knicks) into a good team.

  17. Hubert

    It might be bullshit when it comes to the impact it’s had on Monta’s shooting, but I do think culture is undervalued, and I do think ours is crap right now, and I do think we should have begun changing it already instead of waiting for the end of the season.

    I mean, come on. It’s pretty obvious. If you hate the place you work, you don’t try as hard. I don’t think that was anything groundbreaking.

    And right now people must fucking hate working for Woodson. So fix it.

  18. BKQuick

    It really is shocking how bad our defense is on a regular basis. However, last night was a perfect shit storm of poor communication (non), scheme (or lack thereof) and effort (non). They should all be embarrassed!

    How can Woodson, stand there and watch Shumpert, Ray and that J F’n R just suck it up on the defensive and not pull them out of the game! If they won’t play all out for you Woodie, just sit there asses down!
    Tyson has been a bad joke this year. He is as guilty of uneven effort as anyone else on this team. There have only been a handful of games where it seems he makes ANY difference in terms on interior defense.
    Damn last night just made me mad! The lack of effort was appalling!

    Please just fire Woodie now, buy out JR as soon as possible and cut S. Brown, Tyler and Mouray. Trade Tyson and Barg. Do a sign and trade with Houston for Melo (Lin, Parson, Asik).

  19. Farfa

    I don’t agree with cutting Tyler and Murry (or buying out JR, for what is worth. If we could trade him, I wouldn’t be against it though). We don’t know if they can be valuable contributors in other systems. Look at the Suns: how could you predict two seasons ago the now granted nightly contributions of PJ Tucker and the Morris twins? Sometimes the system makes all the difference in the world.

    And I think this is the case with Monta Ellis. He’s not improved that much, maybe he didn’t improve at all; but if you put knuckleheads in tight, well coached settings, they can play to their strengths and can cut some on their flaws. It’s really simple (for the right coach, see yesterday Cronin’s list).

  20. mase

    In a alternate universe somewhere the Phil Jackson’s of this world should be personally offended by such a debacle and get off the sidelines… Roll up your damn sleeves and coach this ducking team next year!

  21. Z

    I do think culture is undervalued

    Culture does have an impact on success. But it doesn’t turn bad players into good ones. More than anything, it attracts good players to your organization. LeBron could have chosen NY in 2010, but he didn’t. He went to a team with a perceived “winning culture”.

    Giving up 51 points in a quarter doesn’t really have any residual long-term effect for an organization. Firing Mike Woodson isn’t going to make Ray Felton a better defender. It’s not like Bruce Bowen is nailed to the bench. In 2008 Donnie Walsh let Isiah quietly coach out the season, then reassigned him. If he’d publicly executed Thomas and paraded his head around on a pike for the MSG crowd to cheer it wouldn’t have created a “winning culture”. LeBron would have been no more eager to don the blue and orange.

    Creating a “winning culture” begins with getting good players and it ends with playing those good players. Over to you, Phil.

  22. DRed

    Actually, hold up. How can you look at Goldsberry’s shot chart comparison of Monta and seriously tell me being on a smart team that knows how to use him didn’t make a huge difference?

    Because Monta Ellis has played in the NBA longer than 2 years, I went to nba.com and looked at all his shot charts. This year he’s basically shooting like Monta Ellis. He’s literally shooting his career average from 3pt and 2pt land. I see a guy doing what he does, not a smart team taking advantage of Monta’s elite right elbow scoring ability. That Goldsberry article is cherry picked bullshit. Monta’s team is winning, and people like nice stories, so voila, Monta Ellis and the Winning Culture gets written. That could be an SI article from 1994, only now it has shot charts and small sample size nonsense about the right elbow and cool video clips that tell us nothing.

  23. ptmilo

    Hubert,

    I watched the third quarter pretty carefully. The Lakers scored on 23 of 26 possessions, including the in-and-out 3pa to end the Q by Young. And they did so despite not doing anything heroic offensively. But it was not some outlier defensive effort from the Knicks perspective. They were very bad, but I’ve seen many quarters this year where they were worse. The Lakers just hit an unusual number of the easy shots the Knicks often give up when playing their worst defenders.

    The Lakers scored on 6 of their first 7 possessions. This was mostly about the Knicks typically terrible PNR defense and Amare having the reaction time of a Malaysian Air Force official. The clincher was the final slow break transition basket where Amare decided to pick up ball at the 3pt line instead of his man Jordan Hills screaming toward the pain. To be fair, Carmelo and Felton were standing by their men out the wings and ignoring the open ball entirely. Amare and Felton immediately got benched. Still, everyone was trying.

    The next few minutes involved some good shooting and bad luck (airball putback miss) with some very spaced out guard defense, such as collapsing off their men for no reason at all (Shump and JR).

    Then Woodson took out Chandler and Shumpert and put Hardaway in with Stat again for lineup of prigs-JR-Hardaway-Melo-Stat, which was plainly his burn it down moment. The Lakers didn’t have another empty possession until the end of Q 3pa. At one point several but not all of the Knicks switched to zone, which led to at least one in-play defensive huddle, during which Nick Young completed a 4 point play. Melo and Stat as your two rim protectors for large swathes of time turns out to have subtle weaknesses against certain ingenious offensive schemes. Melo and Stat looked like they were being asked to man their stations at the Large Hadron Collider when the zone was called.

  24. Hubert

    FWIW, DRed, what I found interesting in the article was about how culture affected team success, not the individual success of Monta Ellis.

    The overarching point was that Woodson’s employment from December through the end of the season has been harmful far beyond the losses we incurred and missing the playoffs.

    There was the opportunity cost of not developing players, not instilling proper team defense principles, not having positive team experiences, and not making the playoffs to gain even more valuable experience.

    On top of the opportunity cost, there was a real cost. Players taking steps backwards, players quitting on the team, the entire franchise being humiliated repeatedly.

    My point was that those costs should not be overlooked and the culture change should have started already, it didn’t need to wait for Phil Jackson. Do you disagree?

  25. Hubert

    ptmilo, thanks a lot!

    Everything I was hearing from media outlets was “the Knicks just quit, they had to, there is no other way that could happen.”

    But you affirmed my suspicion, i.e. that I’ve seen plenty of games where this could have happened if a team started making a high percentage of the easy shots our “system” is prone to giving up. Heck, I even predicted this might happen yesterday:

    Actually, who am I kidding? We’re going to go to LA tonight and Mike D’Antoni is going to run 1/5 pick and rolls all night long and we will seem completely unprepared for them and even though we ran the same offense ourselves for years we will act like we never saw a 1/5 pick and roll in our lives.

    Did it look like that?

  26. Z

    The overarching point was that Woodson’s employment from December through the end of the season has been harmful far beyond the losses we incurred and missing the playoffs…. Do you disagree?

    I disagree. There is no long term damage caused by not being the 7th or 8th seed in this year’s playoffs.

    There was the opportunity cost of not developing players, not instilling proper team defense principles, not having positive team experiences, and not making the playoffs to gain even more valuable experience…. Do you disagree?

    I disagree. This assumes that the interim coach will install a new system. Since the interim coach would likely have been Herb Williams or Allan Houston, I doubt much would have changed surrounding the “culture”. The injury to Bargnani basically did what a coaching change would have done– i.e. nail Bargnani to the bench.

    On top of the opportunity cost, there was a real cost. Players taking steps backwards, players quitting on the team, the entire franchise being humiliated repeatedly… Do you disagree?

    I don’t necessarily disagree, but I think it should be kept in mind that expectation for this team was around 50 wins, a division title, and an ECF. Phil Jackson himself probably wouldn’t have gotten that out of this roster in all reality. That said, it does appear to be Woodson’s fault that the Knicks are not in the playoffs this year. So that is the real cost of having him on the team.

  27. Hubert

    By the way, I was just catching up on yesterday’s thread. This is kind of sad, in retrospect:

    swiftandabundant
    March 25, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    I recently moved to Los Angeles after living in NYC for over a decade. I’ve been following the Knicks since the early 90s. Went in on season tickets with my buddy when Amare got here. I’ve watched pretty much every Knicks game since 99.

    But this season I had to sell my half of the season tickets and with the move across country, I haven’t been able to watch that many games this year, which is a blessing I guess but still a bummer since I usually watch every game. I saw Melo’s 62 and have tuned in on some games, watched the recent 8 game win streak.

    Tonight my wife and I are going to The Knicks Lakers game wearing our Knicks gear. First Knicks game this season I’m seeing in person after seeing 20 plus games a year the last 4 years. When she bought me tickets about 5 weeks ago I was happy but also bummed because of how bad they were and how the game would probably be meaningless. Now, it turns out, this might be the most important game of the season. After winning 8 in a row but losing the last game to The Cavs, they have to win tonight to keep hope alive. They lose and I believe its officially over.

    So all I ask, Knicks, is that you pull out the W tonight on the road. Over the last few years I’ve given you a lot of time and money. And even though its been a rough year, its been hard to not watch the games at all or go to them. So please, lets win this one!

    And then:

    lavor postell
    March 25, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    @swiftandabundant

    +1

    I hope for you and your wife’s sake the Knicks don’t shit the bed tonight

    Oops.

  28. Hubert

    Since the interim coach would likely have been Herb Williams or Allan Houston, I doubt much would have changed surrounding the “culture”.

    There is absolutely zero reason the interim coach had to Herb Williams or Allan Houston.

    Again, as Mike K recommended earlier in the year, you could have at the very least brought in PJ Carlesimo (trust me, he was available) and we would have spent the rest of the year remembering how to play tough man defense, if nothing else.

  29. DRed

    The Mavs are on pace to improve by 7 games on last seasons record. Goldsberry wants us to believe that a addition of the mediocre, career average shooting of Monta Ellis is the biggest reason why they’re better. And the reason Monta Ellis is playing like a career average Monta Ellis is not because he’s Monta Ellis, but because he’s exposed to the winning culture of the Dallas Mavericks. Perhaps not coincidentally, Dirk Nowtizki has played 17 more games already than he did last season, when he missed two months because of knee surgery. He’s also been healthier and more effective in the games he has played. Ellis a direct replacement for OJ Mayo, who basically played as well as Monta Ellis has this year. Which of the those factors do you think has been more important in their improvement? And that’s why that article is such a pile of horseshit.

  30. lavor postell

    Woodson needs to be fired because yesterday was a combination of a terrible defensive system meets complete lack of effort or concern.

    I’m fucking done with Tyson Chandler. I’ll rip Woody all day for his idiotic devotion to horrible players, tactical ineptitude and bullshit standards of accountability. At the same time Chandler has been such a horrible leader this season and has mailed it in during many games this season. He needs to go to a team that can compete which should make his effort exponentially better than it’s been during virtually the entirety of this season. Chandler to OKC for Perkins, Jones III/Lamb/Adams and a pick would be more than enough.

    Melo is a great player, but he needs to decide whether that’s enough or if he genuinely wants to lead the Knicks or any team next season. It’s not enough to score a lot, rebound well for your possession and give effort every night. Leaders need to hold other guys on the team accountable for their effort and performance and needs to have no qualms about getting in guys faces when its necessary.

    Yesterday as bad as the second quarter was, we were down 8 to start the second half. Immediately the Lakers went on a 10-4 run and we called a timeout after a terrible defensive possession that made it 60-46. Right then is when we needed somebody to step up and get in guy’s faces during that timeout.

    If we do keep Melo this summer it’s imperative our coach next season isn’t some Melo fanboy that’s going to give him a pass on taking terrible mid-range jumper. Not just Melo obviously, but somebody who would bench Tyson’s ass when he watches yet another guy waltz down the lane unimpeded for a layup, or who’ll pull Felton and JR when they dribble the ball at the top of the key aimlessly for 15 seconds. I watched the Miami-Portland game the night before and Spoelstra got right up in Lebron’s face after 3 terrible possessions. Give me a coach who will do that and a player who will be his…

  31. Nick C.

    I believe Chandler did this disappearing act before, both with the Bobcats and Hornets, before coming back from the dead, so to speak, with Dallas.

  32. Hubert

    Goldsberry wants us to believe that a addition of the mediocre, career average shooting of Monta Ellis is the biggest reason why they’re better.

    No, I’m pretty sure he wants us to believe that having a strong culture in place is a positive for a team that wants to win consistently. And that if your owner supports a smart coach and the star player buys into the system, it’s easy to plug in players like Monta Ellis and Vince Carter and Sam Dalembert and have a fair amount of success.

    Right now we have an idiot owner, and idiot coach, and a star player who is aimlessly giving his best effort but it’s being channeled into nothing.

    At least we replaced the idiot owner with Phil Jackson. I just think we should at least have gotten rid of the idiot coach and replaced him with someone who could at least get these guys to believe in him, even if only for a few months.

  33. DRed

    Seventy-two games into the season, the 43-29 Dallas Mavericks are a potential playoff team in the fierce Western Conference. Ellis is a big reason why. In the span of 10 months, the Mavs have redesigned their team, and the former Warriors and Bucks shooting guard has transformed his image. That’s not a coincidence

    Actually, it kind of is a coincidence. There are a lot of guys in the NBA who could play the ‘Monta Ellis’ role in Dallas. See, for example, last year’s Dallas Mavericks. Ellis is playing exactly like Monta Ellis this year. The only difference is people like Kirk Goldsberry are writing about how he’s a changed man.

    Let’s look at some stats. His TS% is .01% higher than his career average. His 3pt % is .04% higher than his career average. His TRB% is .1 lower than his career average. His asst% is 2.0% higher than average. His usage rate is .1% higher than his career average. His Ortg is his career average. His Drtg is 1 below his career average. If someone asked you what a Monta Ellis season, on average, looks like, this is it. I guess his image might be transformed, but he’s the same player he always was. This, in fact, is Monta at his most Monta. Dallas is a better team than it was last year, but that’s got very little to do with Monta Ellis.

  34. DRed

    And that if your owner supports a smart coach and the star player buys into the system, it’s easy to plug in players like Monta Ellis and Vince Carter and Sam Dalembert and have a fair amount of success.

    But yes, if you have a core of good players, you can plug in mediocre players like Monta Ellis and O.J. Mayo and still win lots of games.

  35. er

    It’s not enough to score a lot, rebound well for your possession and give effort every night.

    This is kind of nonsense. I dont know if you ever played sports or not, but this is hogwash. Everyone is not a vocal leader. I in fact would argue that leading by example is better than being a vocal leader. I myself was a leader by example. I know its just high school football, but you get the idea. I was the star captain middle linebacker. I hardly said anything. I just practiced my ass off everyday and played every down like it was my last. I never got in anyone’s face or anything like that. I was always intense on the field however and it rubbed off on everyone. Now there were other captains on the team who liked to yell but that wasnt me.

    Melo is just that … mellow. He excels with a strong headed pg who doesnt even have to be that good. (J Kidd)

  36. lavor postell

    Melo doesn’t want to just be a guy though. For all of his brilliance Melo is not a cerebral player that makes a lot of intelligent choices on the court. He’s a phenomenal scoring machine, but it’s not like most guys in the NBA can emulate that skill set. It’s a lot easier to be a quiet leader when you’re doing the small things on the floor, but when you’re the franchise player and talking about your legacy and winning championships I personally don’t think that’s adequate.

    I hope that Melo proves me wrong and leads us to a championship sooner rather than later, but look back at championship winning teams and almost every single on is led by a guy who was able to check his teammates and command their respect. Fine he doesn’t need to berate guys and start slapping the floor on defense, but he sure as hell needs to get them to bring their A game against a bunch of D League scrubs when we’re supposedly trying to make a playoff run. Being vocal can be as simple as constantly talking on defense, or directing guys on where to go offensively.

    Also like I said Melo’s not the only person culpable and he’s the one guy who’s brought effort almost every night. Chandler has a lot more to answer for in regards to effort and leadership this season, two things that along with defense were the main reasons the Knicks went after him and he’s constantly being touted for.

    er I get your example but I also think professional sports is a different beast. I was a captain on my high school soccer team. Idk I could be wrong. One man’s opinion.

  37. BKQuick

    I was thinking the same thing about Melo/Kidd and Melo/Billups. If we were to sign Rondo, I think the two of them would play off each other very well.

    Back to Chandler, I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed how much he has dogged it this year. He has been absolutely terrible as a rim protector for what seems like 95% of the games he’s played this year. Time and time again opposing player have gotten to the rim with no fear of an interior defensive presence. He has been really abused this year. Actually so have every one else accept Melo (who seems to be pretty decent as a man to man defender). Now that I think about it, Bargs has had better one on one low post defensive moments than Chandler! At least I seem to recall more of his than Chandlers.
    I wonder who has more blocked shots in the last 1o games, our former defensive player of the year or the defensive sieve that is STAT (my favorite current Knick by the way).

  38. KnickfaninNJ

    It’s easy to blast Woodson for one of the Knick’s worst losses of the year, but I don’t think he has the personnel to run a good defense. And when you run into a hot shooting team that shoots best (from three point range), where your defense is weakest; it’s not surprising you get a blow out. I quote Phil Jackson per the NY times:

    “We’re in a talent hunt,” Jackson said. “We have to bring in talent.”

  39. er

    Totally respect your opinion Lavor , I just don’t agree. But I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. I agree Melo isn’t the most cerebral, but that’s where getting a strong pg comes in. Like I said he doesn’t even have to be that good. Just be good at certain things such as commanding the team and being able to hit 3s

  40. Webjai

    So, I’m not sure if this was the worst recap ever or the most accurate symbolism of the game itself.

    As in… did you just find some random word generator online, set the number of words, and cut+paste the results?

    But also… did the Knicks just find some random almost basketball-like schemes, set the pride meter to “we have no pride”, and embody those sentiments?

    The generic initiative sickens. Defense rejects Basketball throughout the squeeze. Basketball moans with the absolute. A heart deranges Defense. Will the dictator panel Basketball? Our honey mends throughout Defense.

    Offense prevails against the chosen shutdown. Melo waves a constant. A cheek utters the counter hydrogen inside a welcome. The corresponding tribe talks to the slot. Melo storms into a demolished basis. Melo longs for a barred master next to a sleeping stare.

    Recap moves the logic past the export. Across Recap scratches the coach. The singer bays? Recap declines under WTF. Outside a reformed contest acts whatever folk silence.

    Thank you http://watchout4snakes.com/wo4snakes/Random/RandomParagraph

  41. Brian Cronin

    Just be good at certain things such as commanding the team and being able to hit 3s

    What does “commanding the team mean,” though? I’m not taking the piss, I honestly am curious.

  42. ptmilo

    I’m with DRed on the lame Goldsberry Monta story, shot charts included. The Mavs haven’t even been a playoff team when he’s been on the court. He is a -7. But wait, this is chess not checkers and sample size and hugs-not-nerds. I agree, somewhat. But all that goes double for trying claim that the Mav’s playoff chances support your Monta in Happy Land story. Weak. I guess hugs help your shot selection, but they don’t stop you from taking terrible risks on defense. Monta’s defense is as bad as ever, and when he’s on the court the Mavericks are as bad a defensive team as ours truly. And we see Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire on the court and think, “okay, now we can finally use three of our awesome guards at once.”

    Monta is playing like himself, but better than last year. He hasn’t saved the Mavericks from anything. Though that doesn’t make the article a total waste. It is legitimate to wonder what 2103 free agents JR, OJ Mayo, or Tyreke Evans would be doing if they were on the Mav’s chess board this year. How much is system/coaching, how much is surrounding talent, and how much is the random volatility of chuckers is not going to be an answered question anytime soon. Are Doc Rivers and the Clippers buoying Jamal Crawford, who has consistently been more efficient than his career averages in LA? Or does that credit go to none other than renowned happy land proprietors Mike Woodson and Josh Smith, when Crawford first saw his offensive efficiency increase? Did the Hawks and Jamal save each other?

  43. Owen

    Ptmilo – Your earlier post was very funny.

    DRed and PtMilo- 100% on goldsberry. I don’t like his stuff. He cherry picks narratives all the time that literally make no sense. This is a perfect example.

    Schoene – I will never doubt you again. Which is to say, if you leave all the pyscho sports mumble jumble about culture and leadership aside, the Knicks were supposed to be bad and have been.

    Robert – i liked it. Very abstract pollockian ode to how bad the Knocks were last night. Or something. Nightmare on an iPhone though.

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