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Thursday, April 24, 2014

Knicks vs. Nets Preview / Game Thread / Bad Pun Bin

Earlier today, Nets Are Scorching‘s Devin Kharpertian and I used our lunch breaks to answer a series of three questions posed by the other. Well, that and eat food.

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343 comments on “Knicks vs. Nets Preview / Game Thread / Bad Pun Bin

  1. kronicfatigue

    So I’m just starting to follow again, and I need to pick a favorite Knick. Oakley was always far and away my favorite. Respected Ewing, liked Starks’ energy but thought he was too much of a chucker, Allan Houston was bland, Spree was too much, and Camby was awesome. I presume Chandler is going to be my new favorite, but I’m open to suggestions. Did Jeffries re-invent himself or something? Shump has potential.

    And, is Jorts a real player, or is that a nickname for someone? I never see a first name when he’s mentioned on this blog.

  2. kronicfatigue

    fiiine, I googled Jorts and was shocked to learn he was “that guy” that i enjoyed watching in the tournament last year. Go figure.

  3. TelegraphedPass

    Jorts’ government name is Josh Harrellson.

    Chandler is a solid choice as a favorite. He’ll almost never do anything to make you angry.

    Shump is great if you’re a “glass half-full” kinda person. If you can get over the overconfidence, you’ll fall in love with the fact that he refers to himself in the third person sometimes.

    Toney Douglas is terrible. You will begin to know him as _________.

    Obviously, the crowd favorite is Lin. What’s there to not like about the guy?

    If you’re like me you’ll pick the man I call Good JR Smith. Unfortunately, he has a Mr. Hyde side to him. Bad JR Smith will take shots at all the wrong times and disrupt the offense. It’s kind of worth it, though, just for the chance to see Good JR show up sometimes and take over.

    You can try to love Amar’e, but he’s far less exciting now. Plus, you’ll quickly fall into depression as every forward in the league jogs past him and he turns into a gargoyle.

    Melo is Melo. I don’t have significant reasons to love him apart from the times where he absolutely takes over in the end of games.

  4. Mulligan

    Man, I wish MSG streamed their games online. I’d buy the equivalent of league pass for the Knicks to just watch their games. Our color guys are the best and I need my beloved bockers!

  5. kronicfatigue

    Third person references? Oh man, he’s out. I thought Fields spoke very well in a post game interview. Seemed like a good guy. But I can’t like a shooting guard who can’t hit a 3.

    I liked JR’s swagger after hitting that first three on Sunday. But more in a “Is this guy for real?” kind of way. When your sister is making headlines in the stands at a game in China, you know you are a headcase.

  6. Jake S.

    Hey fellas, I know this question’s been asked a million times, but does anyone have a good live feed?

  7. JK47

    No Shump tonight. Melo and Chandler will play. Boom Dizzle will be available and is expected to make his debut. This one should be very interesting.

  8. DaniD

    Anyone know of a any good livestreaming? This is going to kill me to not be able to watch Melos return.

  9. llcoolbp

    DaniD:
    Anyone know of a any good livestreaming? This is going to kill me to not be able to watch Melos return.

    </blockquotes

    so you are big melo fan? Most here are not melo lover's. I'm rooting for him to really fit in and show us all why he is so great.

  10. Jake S.

    llcoolbp:
    Dani,

    We can’t post links to streams here, unfortunately. I will hook you up if you want. I can email you. Wink, wink.

    Can I be bcc’d on this?

  11. Mulligan

    DaniD:
    Anyone know of a any good livestreaming? This is going to kill me to not be able to watch Melos return.

    check my twitter @avinshkaya

  12. DaniD

    llcoolbp:

    I’m a HUGE Melo fan. He’s from Syracuse…I’m from Syracuse- Gotta support your hometown always. I think he’ll surprise everyone tonight and hopefully in a good way. I think he is the type of player who can adapt and will play better with a good PG. Like he has said, there is not so much pressure on him anymore. Maybe this is where he’ll really be able to shine.

  13. llcoolbp

    DaniD: I’m a HUGE Melo fan. He’s from Syracuse…I’m from Syracuse- Gotta support your hometown always. I think he’ll surprise everyone tonight and hopefully in a good way. I think he is the type of player who can adapt and will play better with a good PG. Like he has said, there is not so much pressure on him anymore. Maybe this is where he’ll really be able to shine.

    I hope you are right for the sake and sanity of all of the bloggers here.

  14. ephus

    Nice slashing move by Fields to the hoop. If the Nets are not going to help on drives, the Knicks will score 100 tonight.

  15. Jake S.

    David Crockett:
    STAT has looked awful. Hope the legs come back.

    Wouldn’t mind seeing him settle into an Elton Brand-type role on this team if it’s as dynamic as it appears.

  16. Frank O.

    Clyde: “Set a screen, Amare, rollllll.”
    He is so right. When Amare moves away from the ball he is so much more effective. When he calls for it in isolation, he’s no where near the same guy

  17. Mulligan

    David Crockett: Lopez has been injured; broken foot I believe.

    He came back from that injury and played yesterday, but I think they might be resting him today or something

  18. ephus

    No Lopez = no interior defense for the Nets. Lots of slashing. Extra E cannot check anyone in the paint.

  19. ephus

    I know that melo missed the layup, but if Lin keeps getting him looks like that in the paint, this is going to be a fun run.

  20. ephus

    Frank O.:
    Both of Melo’s missed layups went for threes the other way.
    Bummer

    Melo is spending time looking sheepish after missing layups. Needs to rotate back more quickly.

  21. Knicks4Eva

    Melo is also sharing the ball with 2 assists already and a couple of more passes that would have ended with assists had the shots been made.

    It seems evident…so far…that he’s trying to fit in, share the ball, and buy into the system.

  22. dogrufus

    Even though he’s 1-5 I’m officially not worried about Melo.

    All shots within the flow, good shot selection, no ISO thus far.

  23. dogrufus

    Another unreal quarter by Lin. 4 pts on 2/3, 2 rebs, 3 ast, 3 stl.

    He’s clowning Deron pretty hard

  24. llcoolbp

    if this team stays healthy and really, I mean really, gets a chance to gel, they can challenge for a title. About that I have no doubts. This team is stacked. Offensive and defensive weapons. They can give you so many different lineups and looks. You know melo will go off at some point. I’m so giddy. Ok let me take it down a notch.

  25. Frank O.

    llcoolbp:
    that won’t count but b dizzle looks good.

    Except for the dribble, dribble, step back launch a contested three…
    Clyde called it vintage Davis…
    I’m looking for nouveau Baron…

  26. Unreason

    With all the gunslingers arriving or riding back into town this week, the difference between NYK team stats as of today and at the end of the regular season (EOS) should be a good measure of their impact as a group playing with Lin. Looking at the change in key Team (not individual) stats from now till then could be a way to put our opinions about these players, the D’A system, the wisdom of FA moves, etc. into a more specific form.
    Predictions?

    Here are mine:
    Offensive eFG%
    Today: .476; 18th in league
    Pred for EOS: .495; 10th in league
    Difference +.0.19; +8 in rank

    Pace
    Today: 93.6; 2nd in league
    Pred for EOS: 96.2; first in league
    Difference +.2.6; +1 in rank

    Defensive Rating
    Today: 99.6; 6th in league
    Pred for EOS: 102.0; 15th in league
    Difference -2.4; -9 in rank

    Offensive Rating
    Today: 101.1; 23rd in league
    Pred for EOS: 106.0; 6th in league
    Difference +4.9; +17 in rank

    W-L%
    Today: 50%; 2nd in Atlantic Div of Eastern Conf
    EOS; 61%; 2nd in Atlantic Div of Eastern Conf
    Difference +11%; no change in rank

    In summary, I think that with Lin as the primary pg, the the arrival of the gunslingers increases rather than decreases offensive efficiency; the already high pressure O increases in intensity; the D declines significantly and often disasterously as mpg for JJ, Shump, and Lin go to the pistoleros: JR, Stat, Melo, and BD; the Knicks alternate between putting up really high numbers (points) and average numbers as they experiment and get in sync, but they give up too many points in too many games to catch the 76ers by the end of the season.

    Definitely not how I hope it turns out, but that’s my best guess right now. Others?

  27. llcoolbp

    Frank O.: Except for the dribble, dribble, step back launch a contested three…
    Clyde called it vintage Davis…
    I’m looking for nouveau Baron…

    I didn’t mind that first shot so much. He has to get loose after almost a year away from the game.

  28. dogrufus

    Meh… Nets up 9 but it’s strictly due to Tyson Chandler’s foul trouble and ridiculously unsustainable shooting.

    We’ll get ‘em.

  29. llcoolbp

    nets are killing with the 3. Knicks are still adjusting to melo, JR, b dizzle, all in all, this is to be expected. Nets can’t keep this up. Knicks will be ok in the second half.

  30. Matt Smith

    My cousin and I are sitting here befuddled. Is it just us, or is this the most one-sided game anyone else has ever seen as far as refs are concerned? No-calls for us on O, terrible calls for us on D, and just an abundance of blatant errors – what is going on here? If this wasn’t an insignificant game, I’d go so far as to say it looks fixed…

  31. dogrufus

    Matt Smith:
    My cousin and I are sitting here befuddled. Is it just us, or is this the most one-sided game anyone else has ever seen as far as refs are concerned? No-calls for us on O, terrible calls for us on D, and just an abundance of blatant errors – what is going on here? If this wasn’t an insignificant game, I’d go so far as to say it looks fixed…

    Not just you. Terrible officiating robbed Lin of a couple of FT’s. When have you seen him with 0 FTA in a half?

    Combine that with us missing everything from deep while the Nets hit everything, and you have us down 8 to the worst team ever.

    Hopefully Stern was just setting up another heroic Jeremy Lin comeback.

  32. ephus

    1. Chandler on the bench leads to 30 points for the Nets in the second quarter.

    2. STAT actually looked more limber on the offensive end. I am hoping he is getting his legs back.

    3. Melo has shown a lot of rust. One nice move the basket so far.

    4. Novak’s hot shooting did not last. Still, he can erupt at any time.

    5. Refs are letting a lot of physical contact go on the Knicks drives to the hoop. Lin, Fields and STAT each thought that they were fouled on aggressive moves.

    6. Baron Davis kept the sizzle, now let’s see if he has any remaining steak.

    BTW, Dogfus is really bad at predictions. Gave up on yesterday’s game. Today we have this:

    dogrufus
    February 20, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    Another unreal quarter by Lin. 4 pts on 2/3, 2 rebs, 3 ast, 3 stl.

    He’s clowning Deron pretty hard

  33. Matt Smith

    dogrufus: Not just you.Terrible officiating robbed Lin of a couple of FT’s.When have you seen him with 0 FTA in a half?

    Combine that with us missing everything from deep while the Nets hit everything, and you have us down 8 to the worst team ever.

    Hopefully Stern was just setting up another heroic Jeremy Lin comeback.

    It’s not just Lin though. The biggest effects are a) taking Chandler out of the game on BS, killing our rebounding and interior presence and b) giving the Nets unwarranted second opportunities of failed possessions that they’ve turned into 3 (or 4) point plays.

  34. llcoolbp

    I don’t get to see that little minx jill martin interview a courtside celebrity. I missed her interview with Mike Tyson the other day. I always love me some Jill Martin.

  35. llcoolbp

    Antwan:
    I’m at this game, and if Lin doesn’t pop one of his miracles, I’ll be po’ed!

    I was the first game when all this Linsanity started. section 411 D, in the cheap seats with the hardcore faithful.

  36. tinobmbino

    Once Chandler gets in the game, the defense will improve exponentially. The question is how long it takes the refs to give him his 4th and 5th fouls.

  37. Nick C.

    Matt Smith:
    My cousin and I are sitting here befuddled. Is it just us, or is this the most one-sided game anyone else has ever seen as far as refs are concerned? No-calls for us on O, terrible calls for us on D, and just an abundance of blatant errors – what is going on here? If this wasn’t an insignificant game, I’d go so far as to say it looks fixed…

    I don’t think the shooting disparity can be fixed. Has anyone other than Lin made more than one jump shot? Meanwhile the Nets are draining threes. It looked a lot worse than 8. Nevertheless I am confident the Nets will go dry while the movement of the foray quarter will return for the Knicks and those misses will be makes.

  38. Thomas B.

    llcoolbp:
    jake if you can’t find a link, give me your email and I’ll give you a link.

    nba league pass is working fine here in DC. That is blocked out in the nyc market. Am I allowed to talk about that feed?

  39. Unreason

    Antwan: I’m at this game, and if Lin doesn’t pop one of his miracles, I’ll be po’ed!

    While it’s cool and all that he does perform miracles, I’m going to be a tad disappointed if the Knicks need one. Amare would be among their best defenders if he were sporting FishNets instead of Blue and Orange. The Knicks should be tearing them up.

  40. llcoolbp

    so, sheldon freaking williams, drives to the hoop with his strong hand, straight on STAT, for a dunk attempt! I mean force him left for godsakes!

  41. dogrufus

    ephus:
    1.Chandler on the bench leads to 30 points for the Nets in the second quarter.

    2.STAT actually looked more limber on the offensive end.I am hoping he is getting his legs back.

    3.Melo has shown a lot of rust.One nice move the basket so far.

    4.Novak’s hot shooting did not last.Still, he can erupt at any time.

    5.Refs are letting a lot of physical contact go on the Knicks drives to the hoop.Lin, Fields and STAT each thought that they were fouled on aggressive moves.

    6.Baron Davis kept the sizzle, now let’s see if he has any remaining steak.

    BTW, Dogfus is really bad at predictions.Gave up on yesterday’s game.Today we have this:

    dogrufus
    February 20, 2012 at 8:09 pm
    Another unreal quarter by Lin. 4 pts on 2/3, 2 rebs, 3 ast, 3 stl.

    He’s clowning Deron pretty hard

    I am bad at predictions, but that wasn’t a prediction. At that time he was outplaying Deron, maybe still is.

  42. Vctr

    Can anyone explain the “corpse of Mike Bibby” joke that I’ve been seeing? Is it based solely on the notion that Mike Bibby sorta now looks like … a corpse?

  43. llcoolbp

    Vctr:
    Can anyone explain the “corpse of Mike Bibby” joke that I’ve been seeing? Is it based solely on the notion that Mike Bibby sorta now looks like … a corpse?

    That is exactly correct.

  44. dogrufus

    Unreal. Stevenson blatantly shoves Melo out of the way, then ticky rack offensive foul on Melo.

    Game over.

  45. dogrufus

    ephus: Now you are just going for the reverse jinx.

    Dammit, you reversed my reverse jinx by calling it out. Nice going, now it’s really over!

  46. Frank O.

    Defensive intensity is not the same.
    Melo moving the ball, but otherwise rusty.
    Lin being too deferential.

  47. dogrufus

    Goddammit, Melo’s just clearly rusty and you know he’s gonna be unfairly blamed for this loss.

    I hate the NY press.

  48. Unreason

    I want to see signs of life at least. Bad officiating or no, the Knicks should be stomping all over these guys.

  49. dogrufus

    If the refs are just gonna give TC a foul every 30 seconds, why don’t we go small with Amare at C?

  50. llcoolbp

    DaniD:
    I cannot believe how bad this team is at the FT line, sickening…just sickening

    no what is sickening is that Lin literally has welts on his arms from hard fouls. These refs are bad. I have lived all over the country, and let me tell you the hatred for NYC is real. Most people born elswhere, and especially in the flyover states and boonies hate NYC. Its in their bones. It exists at a subconscious level. I have seen terrible officiated towards the knicks for years. It is worse in basketball then any sport, since officials can really influence the game.

  51. DaniD

    llcoolbp: no what is sickening is that Lin literally has welts on his arms from hard fouls. These refs are bad. I have lived all over the country, and let me tell you the hatred for NYC is real. Most people born elswhere, and especially in the flyover states and boonies hate NYC. Its in their bones. It exists at a subconscious level. I have seen terrible officiated towards the knicks for years. It is worse in basketball then any sport, since officials can really influence the game.

    I can gather it’s terrible officiating. BUT when they do get a call, they HAVE to make it count. The are called free throws for a reason. At this level, I cannot understand why people miss these shots.

  52. ephus

    Hubie Brown’s first rule of defense: Never foul a jump shooter. Knicks are violating that rule horribly tonight.

  53. Unreason

    Doug: Hosed all game. Hosed all game.

    Come on guys, these are the stinkin’ Nets for cryin’ out loud. We can’t blame a loss to these losers on the refs. The Knicks are full grown men with 2 or 3 times the collective basketball talent. They just aren’t manning up.

  54. llcoolbp

    deron is just wicked hot right now. Knicks need to just methodically play their game. They might still lose but they can’t get into a punk fight with these losers.

  55. d-mar

    Frank O.:
    Wonder why Knicks don’t put Shump on Williams…

    He’s not playing.

    Williams will have to sit at some point, this game is not over

  56. Doug

    Unreason: Come on guys, these are the stinkin’ Nets for cryin’ out loud. We can’t blame a loss to these losers on the refs. The Knicks are full grown men with 2 or 3 times the collective basketball talent. They just aren’t manning up.

    Are we watching the same game?

  57. Frank O.

    d-mar: He’s not playing.

    Williams will have to sit at some point, this game is not over

    I know, but he’s our best guard defender

  58. Caleb

    Nets are now 14/26 on 3s… Deron is 8/13.

    I know it’s a game of transition, with Carmelo & Baron back, and Shump. But losing to Hornets and Nets within 3 days looks bad.

  59. dogrufus

    God this is just such utter horseshit. How does a team chuck 26 threes to our 12 and still get 21 FTA to our 12.

    Fuck these refs.

  60. Doug

    BigBlueAL:
    Just got home, nice to see the Knicks on the verge of a 2nd embarrassing loss at home in 3 games.

    Cool, you’ve missed most of the one-sided slugfest the refs let the Nets get away with.

  61. DaniD

    Unreason: Come on guys, these are the stinkin’ Nets for cryin’ out loud. We can’t blame a loss to these losers on the refs. The Knicks are full grown men with 2 or 3 times the collective basketball talent. They just aren’t manning up.

    I agree. Refs may have a little influence, especially to the players mind sets but refs cannot decide a game. Time to MAN UP Knicks. Get tough. AND PLAY DEFENSE!

  62. Unreason

    Doug: Are we watching the same game?

    I shouldn’t have singled you out. But bad calls or no, we’re making our own bed by not playing good D or making shots in this one, don’t you think?

  63. Doug

    Unreason: I shouldn’t have singled you out. But bad calls or no, we’re making our own bed by not playing good D or making shots in this one, don’t you think?

    Not having Shump really hurts. There is no way D-Will goes off like that with Shump guarding him.

  64. Thomas B.

    Amare is starting to remind me of the 98-99 version of Patrick Ewing. Ewing was 36, which is just three years older than Stat is right now.

    Wait, Stat is only 29?!

  65. Caleb

    Big picture, this is what happens when Tyson is out. Paging Bob Neptune!

    Even in this crapfest, he’s +4 in 12 minutes. Game would be a different story if he weren’t hurt.

  66. David Crockett

    Doug: Not having Shump really hurts. There is no way D-Will goes off like that with Shump guarding him.

    Having 3 guys all still trying to find legs isn’t helping tonight either, but the Nets are strokin’ it.

  67. bobneptune

    Caleb:
    Big picture, this is what happens when Tyson is out. Paging Bob Neptune!

    Even in this crapfest, he’s +4 in 12 minutes. Game would be a different story if he weren’t hurt.

    i didn’t know chandler would be defending williams behind the arc.

    didn’t you mean , “this is what happens when shumpy is out?”

  68. DaniD

    I’m not watching so please tell me, is there any defense this game? I don’t understand why Williams wasnt shut down after the 1rst quarter

  69. bobneptune

    Caleb:
    Big picture, this is what happens when Tyson is out. Paging Bob Neptune!

    Even in this crapfest, he’s +4 in 12 minutes. Game would be a different story if he weren’t hurt.

    and, fwiw… he’s sitting with foul trouble… not injury… lol

  70. Unreason

    DaniD: I’m not watching so please tell me, is there any defense this game? I don’t understand why Williams wasnt shut down after the 1rst quarter

    Neither team is playing good defense. The Knicks are just missing more makable shots than the Nets.

  71. Caleb

    Glad JR’s around.

    I was just about to say that Tyson was very lucky not to get his 2nd tech for shoving Humphries and then patting him on the ass in front of the ref…. then he follows him all the way to the bench and does it.

  72. Matt Park

    One good thing to take from this game so far are Lin’s turnovers. He only has one turnover to seven assists, so I definitely think that having other ball-handlers is helping. Melo may have five, but I’ll give him a pass just this oneeeee time and chalk it up to rust. However, he did attempt some atrocious passes…

  73. David Crockett

    Unreason: Neither team is playing good defense. The Knicks are just missing more makable shots than the Nets.

    The Nets are playing good D on Lin, forcing him left a lot. More importantly though, the Nets are hitting everything.

  74. Caleb

    foul trouble? He didn’t get his 3rd until halfway through the 3rd, no? And only played 8 minutes in the first half.. IMO he’s sitting because he jammed up his wrist and slammed his tailbone yesterday.

  75. Matt Park

    bobneptune: and, fwiw… he’s sitting with foul trouble… not injury… lol

    I think Caleb meant Chandler’s wrist and tailbone injuries. He was definitely struggling a bit out there early on and the wrist started to act up after the no-call with Humphries (?).

    On a side note, 10-3 to start the quarter so far… I’m still pessimistic on a comeback unless someone gets absolutely scorching.

  76. Unreason

    David Crockett: The Nets are playing good D on Lin, forcing him left a lot. More importantly though, the Nets are hitting everything.

    I don’t know. Looks pretty tame compared to yesterday. He’s just not handling it as well.

  77. ephus

    Even if the Knicks do not win this game, that Amar’e and Melo two man game was worth the price of admission.

  78. Frank O.

    I’m telling you guys, these aren’t the Knicks of the past. So many guys go negative.
    This game is notover

  79. Unreason

    ephus: Even if the Knicks do not win this game, that Amar’e and Melo two man game was worth the price of admission.

    That was sweet.

  80. Matt Park

    With Deron out, there is a very realistic chance the Knicks can comeback. Lin can’t get over the screen on those pick-and-rolls, and Deron was really exploiting that.

    LEAD DOWN TO 8!

  81. Gamecockerbocker

    For As good as Landry is at everything besides offense, I cringe a lot when he gets the ball.

  82. Unreason

    Matt Park: With Deron out, there is a very realistic chance the Knicks can comeback. Lin can’t get over the screen on those pick-and-rolls, and Deron was really exploiting that. LEAD DOWN TO 8!

    Definitely within reach if they pick it up.

  83. Nick C.

    The Nets shooting has come back to earth. Unfortunately the Knicks still hasn’t got off the ground.

  84. llcoolbp

    Like I said earlier, this team needs to gel, if they do watch out. Right now, they are helter skelter on offense. Defensively they just have not been the same without shump and chandler in foul trouble.

  85. TheXman

    Gotta love that charge by Melo, I’ve seen that boneheaded stupid fucking play way too many times this year. Can we pull some stat that shows charges against?

  86. A Voice of Reason

    @202 I disagree immensely! With JR and Melo on the floor, he’s the third best playmaker. He dribbled the whole possession and forced a tough shot fading to the left.

  87. bobneptune

    Matt Park: I think Caleb meant Chandler’s wrist and tailbone injuries. He was definitely struggling a bit out there early on and the wrist started to act up after the no-call with Humphries (?).

    On a side note, 10-3 to start the quarter so far… I’m still pessimistic on a comeback unless someone gets absolutely scorching.

    chandler has played well while he was on the floor. injuries had no bearing in this game. just foul trouble.

  88. Caleb

    I’d say Melo was rusty for that weak-ess effort on the Humphries drive except it looks like his prime midseason form.

  89. DaniD

    Someone needs to start raining 3s. And STAT needs to stop shooting those elbow jumpers…they’re not falling man..give it up

  90. Thomas B.

    Every time there is a Knickerblogger meet up, the Knicks lose. We can lay the blame for this squarely upon the shoulders of one Mike K.

  91. TheXman

    I really enjoy this team much more without Melo and Amare. They are absolutely trash and make 20 million a year. Can you fucking believe this shit.

  92. llcoolbp

    Lin is much more passive with melo out there. This team will have to find their identity again. Let the tabloids hit a crescendo over the next 48 hours about melo and lin co-exisiting. NY loves drama. I just want a winner. Ugly ball, smooth ball, I don’t care. Hopefully they find some kind of equilibrium.

  93. BigBlueAL

    I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well). Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

  94. llcoolbp

    BigBlueAL:
    I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well).Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

    the entire team is to blame for all the open 3′s, and the missed free throws. But melo has been terrible in the second half.

  95. flossy

    BigBlueAL:
    I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well).Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

    He has been pretty awful, though this was a time-wide FAIL

  96. Will the Thrill

    Well it’s obviously not all Melo’s fault with the entire Nets team catching fire, but he did play really, really bad.

    BigBlueAL:
    I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well).Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

  97. Z

    Sheesh. I’m out of the country, and see the score. What the heck is going on at MSG?

    I’m at a “sports bar” that only has the Baylor v. Texas game on. (But several people have come in asking if they can get the Knick game– we’re back in business baby!!)

    But, what the heck– the Nets??!?

    It’s Carmelo, isn’t it?

    Tell me it’s Carmelo…

  98. DaniD

    BigBlueAL: I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well). Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

    Of course he’ll get the blame. A lot of Melo haters out there right now. Everyone is too caught up in Linsanity.

  99. Doug

    TheXman:
    I really enjoy this team much more without Melo and Amare.They are absolutely trash and make 20 million a year.Can you fucking believe this shit.

    Really? Really?

  100. ephus

    BigBlueAL:
    I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well).Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

    Melo should not get the “blame” for tonight, but he has not played well. He is entitled to his rust after missing seven games, but it is evident. He has not been able to finish near the basket.

    Amar’e has been freed up for a lot of open 15 jumpers, but he has been off target.

    Fields has played well, very aggressive towards the basket.

    Strangely, Lin has seemed off by a beat. He has not converted on his forays to the hoop.

  101. Matt Park

    BigBlueAL:
    I havent watched any of the game but checking the box score Melo has 9 FGA and 6 assists (6 to’s as well).Is he really gonna get the blame for the loss??

    There were lots of causes for the loss: bad defense by Amar’e, foul trouble for Chandler, terrible officiating (no-calls for the Knicks, ticky-tack fouls called against the Knicks, etc.), and Melo’s rust.
    And to answer your question, Melo was definitely a part of the loss. He missed numerous bunnies early on and had some bad turnovers. However, I expect him to play better pretty soon.

  102. A Voice of Reason

    @226
    Can you think of anyone better?

    Melo has been driving and passing well enough to be more of a factor, but the refs have officially swallowed the whistle.

    Amare is shooting those elbow j’s and is hardly successful.

    Like what Lin is doing, he looks natural out there.

    JR has to be more aggressive. period.

  103. Doug

    Z:
    Sheesh. I’m out of the country, and see the score. What the heck is going on at MSG?

    I’m at a “sports bar” that only has the Baylor v. Texas game on. (But several people have come in asking if they can get the Knick game– we’re back in business baby!!)

    But, what the heck– the Nets??!?

    It’s Carmelo, isn’t it?

    Tell me it’s Carmelo…

    Melo is further down the list… it’s Deron Williams hitting eight revenge threes and getting six kajillion 4-point plays, no Shump in the lineup to deal with said Williams, one of the worst referee jobs I’ve ever seen, and then our offense sputtering trying to incorporate both Baron and Melo.

  104. llcoolbp

    Melo came here to be “the man”, when the team does not succeed he should expect to get a brunt of the blame, especially hen he plays so poorly.

  105. Thomas B.

    I think the biggest thing that is missing is Shumpert’s defense in the backcourt. Sure his offense is out of control, but his impact on defense is just amazing. What would Williams have done with Shump hounding him for 25 minutes? Defense makes a difference.

  106. A Voice of Reason

    Thomas B.:
    I think the biggest thing that is missing is Shumpert’s defense in the backcourt.Sure his offense is out of control, but his impact on defense is just amazing.What would Williams have done with Shump hounding him for 25 minutes?Defense makes a difference.

    +11

  107. Doug

    Thomas B.:
    I think the biggest thing that is missing is Shumpert’s defense in the backcourt.Sure his offense is out of control, but his impact on defense is just amazing.What would Williams have done with Shump hounding him for 25 minutes?Defense makes a difference.

    Definitely would not have hit eight threes.

  108. David Crockett

    Z:
    But, what the heck– the Nets??!?
    It’s Carmelo, isn’t it?
    Tell me it’s Carmelo…

    Melo hasn’t played well, though actually he’s passed well. The story is that the Nets have shot 50% from three. D-Will went for 38 with 8 threes. Some ticky tack calls didn’t go our way. On the other hand, no one from New York shot well.

  109. d-mar

    Z:
    Sheesh. I’m out of the country, and see the score. What the heck is going on at MSG?

    I’m at a “sports bar” that only has the Baylor v. Texas game on. (But several people have come in asking if they can get the Knick game– we’re back in business baby!!)

    But, what the heck– the Nets??!?

    It’s Carmelo, isn’t it?

    Tell me it’s Carmelo…

    See, that’ just amazing to me, you didn’t see the game and you’re hoping with everything you’ve got that Melo was the reason they lost? What a great fan.

  110. TheXman

    So Lin looks more passive with Melo in there, as he’s deferring to Melo. This takes away ball movement and his aggressive drives. Then Melo tries iso when Lin passes him the ball off the PnR. Just hilarious, to see, the Knicks won 7 straight games, most of them without Melo and Amare.

    Amare comes back, they lose to the Hornets. Melo comes back, they lose to the Nets. Two of the fucking worst teams in the league. Yesterday, the Knicks came back with Amare on the bench. He is clueless on D, he can’t make his open jumpshots. Such a joke, such a serious. Let me repeat, if we’re paying MAX fucking money, I WANT SOME MAX PRODUCTION. Lin is making 700 fucking grand a year, I’d say that’s good value for whatever he’s producing.

  111. limpidgimp

    At first, Melo looked timid about shooting the ball. The technical foul for tripping was just a silly act of frustration.
    Lin has been missing many midrange shots and not finishing on penetrations like usual.
    The referee-ing, on several occasions, there was clearly contact resulting in bodies on the floor, but no call at all.

  112. llcoolbp

    typical let down game after a big win. Let’s see how they do in their next game. If they lose to the hawks and heat before the break the vultures will be swirling for melo’s head. Knicks absolutely have to win 1 of the next 2 games. Otherwise, losing 3 straight and 4/5 prior to the break would be crushing for moral and playoff chances. Remember their schedule is brutal after the break.

  113. Will the Thrill

    Tyson’s only weakness: his temper. He’s gotta stay under control and avoid stupid fouls while he is angry. He’s just too important to the team.

  114. ephus

    ephus:
    Even if the Knicks do not win this game, that Amar’e and Melo two man game was worth the price of admission.

    Well, the Knicks lost, but even through the dreck, I saw some things that are very encouraging.

    1. Chandler is awesome.

    2. Fields was really aggressive going to the rim.

    3. Amar’e was open for the 15′ elbow jumper all night. He is going to make that shot most nights.

    4. Amar’e and Melo had one awesome play in the two-man game. MDA should be able to set that up more often in the future.

    Having said all of that, Shumpert’s defense was sorely missed. Also, Novak lacks consistency.

    Oh well. Let’s win two to get to the ASG over .500.

  115. EB

    TheXman: So Lin looks more passive with Melo in there, as he’s deferring to Melo. This takes away ball movement and his aggressive drives. Then Melo tries iso when Lin passes him the ball off the PnR. Just hilarious, to see, the Knicks won 7 straight games, most of them without Melo and Amare.

    Lin played 46 minutes in the game against dallas yesterday. He may be deferring to Melo… or maybe he’s tired after playing 82 minutes in 2 nights

  116. David Crockett

    Melo had six dimes tonight.

    Of course he’ll be given the Carlos Beltran “selfish” treatment.

  117. llcoolbp

    I actually wanted Lin to shoot more in the 4th quarter. Be more selfish. He had his midrange percolating. They were daring him to drive, then hammering him once he got in the paint. He needs to take that 15-18 footer when they give it to him. He’s pretty sweet from that range.

  118. max fisher-cohen

    Some reasons for the loss in no particular order…

    1) They didn’t space the floor, and when they did, they either turned down open shots (Anthony) or missed them (Fields)

    2) they didn’t let Lin run the offense often enough, resulting in poor floor spacing again.

    3) Amaré couldn’t make open shots at the free throw line.

    4) Amaré played lazy defense.

    5) Anthony missed shots at the rim.

    6) The refs didn’t call fouls when the Knicks got in the paint.

    7) Lin looked rattled and unsure, deferring to Stoudemiré and Anthony when he had the opportunity to take open Js or continue to penetrate.

    8) Chandler was in foul trouble.

    9) Deron Williams got hot.

    10) Sundiata Gaines got hot.

    11) Kris Humphries destroyed Stoudemire on the boards.

    I’m sure there are several more.

  119. tenebrous

    Will the Thrill:
    Tyson’s only weakness: his temper.He’s gotta stay under control and avoid stupid fouls while he is angry.He’s just too important to the team.

    Don’t think he knows how to do that

  120. DaniD

    Melo needs time. He’s coming back into a “new team” and he’s rusty along with he could possibly still be sore from the injury. I know, I’m making excuses for him but I think there have been a lot of changes lately to the Knicks. It takes time to adjust. Not something that happens overnight.

  121. Kikuchiyo

    ephus: Also, Novak lacks consistency.

    4/5 from three yesterday and 2/8 today.

    You do realize that’s 6/13 combined. Not really lacking consistency as much as coming back to a statistical norm.

  122. hoolahoop

    DWill made Lin look like a D-leaguer.
    The entire team played like garbage.
    …And why did Dantoni replace Fields with JR when he was the only guy playing with a lot of energy and making things happen. That was a horrible substitution.

  123. llcoolbp

    hoolahoop:
    DWill made Lin look like a D-leaguer.

    I don’t think so. He got hot, like great players do. The knicks team defense did not adjust. Lin played well overall. He was not always the man guarding d willi.

  124. Gamecockerbocker

    I think the key to the Knicks winning is Lin turning the ball over 6+ times. He didn’t give the ball away nearly enough. Also, what in God’s name was Melo doing dishing out 6 assists? He needs to be more selfish and definitely take more than 11 shots. Also, great D by Amare, as always. Like a steel wall out there on the defensive end, I love it. And man! Is there anyone better at knocking down open jumpers than Landry Fields?

  125. hoolahoop

    The entire team played like garbage.
    …And why did Dantoni replace Fields with JR when he was the only guy playing with a lot of energy and making things happen. That was a horrible substitution.

  126. Gamecockerbocker

    hoolahoop:
    DWill made Lin look like a D-leaguer.
    The entire team played like garbage.
    …And why did Dantoni replace Fields with JR when he was the only guy playing with a lot of energy and making things happen. That was a horrible substitution.

    Because his energy was bricking layups and wide open jumpers.

  127. xcat01

    It seemed to me like Melo wanted to prove he was the leader and he could run the offense better than Lin. Melo and especially Stat have to understand that defense wins games not taking more shots than the other team.

  128. nicos

    Hard to put it on Melo- perimeter defense was poor. Lin has to take a hit for that. Fields and BD weren’t any better. Chandler got outworked by Humphries. Amar’e settled for too many jumpers, etc…

  129. bobneptune

    ephus:

    Strangely, Lin has seemed off by a beat.He has not converted on his forays to the hoop.

    maybe those 45 minutes yesterday in an emotional win have something to do with it :-)

    that… and being up against a great player with something to prove and no help from shumpy….

    meanwhile although stats do tell a fairly false story, id be happy if lin gave us 21 points, 9 assists 7 boards, 4 steals and 3 to’s the rest of his career every night.

    i’d sign for that right now :-)

  130. Frank O.

    The big thing though was no one was hitting from outside, which allowed th nets to collapse.
    Melo played poorly, but you had a lot of new faces running and the Knicks needed to stay with their starters. Melo and Amare were just off and theirnd is not very solid. We missed jeffries when he was out and we missed SHUMP’s defensive intensity.
    As good as Novak and Smith were yesterday they were both terribly off tonight.
    Lin looked passive and deferential to the two stars, and they hurt us tonight.

  131. jon abbey

    we do miss Shump Shump, but also Melo was pretty dreadful and Deron was pumped. and the officiating was incredibly lopsided, pretty lame.

  132. JR Sec 112

    I disagree with Lin looking rattled. Havent we seen him enough to know he doesnt get rattled? What he was, of course, was tired. And why wouldnt he be? he put the team on his back to come back and beat a very hot Dallas team yesterday and played 46 MINUTES. And yet he still had a decent game.

    Someone else needed to step up since he was tired. No one did. Amare, Melo, JR Smith. Amare was terrible on the boards. And Deron Williams was awesome. Marshon Brooks is a nice player too. Shelden Wiliams played very well on interior D – no one has brought that up but it was actually a key to the game. Combined that with the refs not calling any fouls on anyone and mid-range/outside shooting was the key. Amare probably had 15 good looks and ends up going 7 for 17. Novak and JR go 5-17. Thats the ball game right there.

  133. Gamecockerbocker

    xcat01:
    It seemed to me like Melo wanted to prove he was the leader and he could run the offense better than Lin.Melo and especially Stat have to understand that defense wins games not taking more shots than the other team.

    Yes, Melo’s 11 shots to Lin’s 17 prove that Melo was trying show Lin up. STAT will never understand any cohesive thought with the word defense in it.

  134. A Voice of Reason

    If D-will misses a few of those threes and we hit a few more free throws, this game was ours. He was motivated tonight and showed the league why he is considered one of the three best PG’s around. Lin looked silly trying to defend him at times and Fields looked even worse. JR played him more aggressively but gambles too much to be on a guy like that. 38 pts from your pg in 3 quarters normally means a win.

    Chandler plays so hard, sometimes too hard, but I will take that aggression any day of the week.

    Melo missed some shots he makes and that will soon cease. Even he’s allowed to be rusty, right? Although this board likes to pile on him for his price tag and opportunity cost, he is a bona fide scoring machine any given night. He’s not the only overpaid person in this country. That said, he seemed to see the floor well and should have finished with 9 assists.

    Amare looks so tired out there. If he doesn’t get a big step toward the basket, he’s in trouble. He needs that 15-18ft range back more than he thinks. That jumper opened up the lane for him last year, Now teams are just camping in the paint and waiting to challenge him at the rim.

    We really missed Mr. Iman Shumpert tonight. We win by 15 if he plays.

  135. hoolahoop

    Kikuchiyo: 4/5 from three yesterday and 2/8 today.

    You do realize that’s 6/13 combined. Not really lacking consistency as much as coming back to a statistical norm.

    He was commenting on tonight’s game. Yesterday’s game is over.

  136. JR Sec 112

    Also, everyone saying Lin was passive – if Amare and/or Novak hit a few more easy shots, he’d have had 13-14 assists and everyone would be saying he played a great game.

  137. BigBlueAL

    Lin lead the team with 18 FGA (6 FTA as well) along with 9 assists and people are complaining that he was too passive and deferred to Melo too much??

  138. EB

    Gamecockerbocker: Also, great D by Amare, as always. Like a steel wall out there on the defensive end, I love it.

    Amare plays exactly like a steel wall… he stands in one place and doesn’t move.

  139. Gamecockerbocker

    Also, when is going to be time to bench Amare for Jeffries? It’s not that crazy of an idea. When Amare is hot and going off on opponents his offense kind of makes up for his (I don’t even want to call it defense). But When he plays like he has lately, he’s nothing but a liability on the court. At least Jeffries plays tough D, takes charges and stands still while setting screens.

  140. hoolahoop

    I can see that Lin has his share of apologists and defenders. Fanboys that can’t actually see what’s happening on the court.

    DWill ate chewed him up and spit him out. Not saying Lin hasn’t been great and won’t recover. But, tonight Dwill made a point . . . or should I say a lot of points.

  141. SeeWhyDee77

    U know what i would like 2 see, as both a fan of the Knicks and of the NBA in general? Melo sit out all star weekend and they give his spot to Ryan Anderson and start him. Melo can take a break and get healthier because we will need him. And Aesthetically, that lineup would be so efficient with Anderson in it. D12, Anderson, Bron, Wade and Rose? Can u imagine the points that would be put up in the all star game with a PURE shooter in that lineup? Fun times.

  142. bobneptune

    David Crockett:
    Melo had six dimes tonight.

    Of course he’ll be given the Carlos Beltran “selfish” treatment.

    i think any reasonable person will give melo a pass for a few games til he gets his legs back under him. his spirit was in the right place for the most part, but the flesh just wasn’t willing enough tonight.

  143. Unreason

    Not the confidence builder going into the Hawks & Heat games I was hoping for. Just bad luck that everybody (except Chandler and maybe Fields) was so lame on both ends all night? Weak effort from Amare and Melo and Smith and Novak. Lin really didn’t play well. To me it looked like he just hit a smaller % of his typical shots than ususal and not that he was trying to play a different game or be too defferential. Quite the opposite. I’m a little worried that Lin had so many attempts in a game where getting any one of the Knicks shooters going would have made a big difference. Given how ridiculously good he’s been, I’m not that concerned, but all his team-first talk notwithstanding he definitely likes to shoot.

  144. nicos

    Also, Amar’e is a crappy defensive player but his defense had almost nothing to do with the loss tonight- he was on either She-Will or Petro the entire game and the Nets rarely involved those guys in the screen & rolls- he had a couple of plays where he could have closed out better on drives but that’s about it.

  145. Gamecockerbocker

    hoolahoop:
    I can see that Lin has his share of apologists and defenders. Fanboys that can’t actually see what’s happening on the court.

    DWill ate chewed him up and spit him out. Not saying Lin hasn’t been great and won’t recover. But, tonight Dwill made a point . . . or should I say a lot of points.

    Lin flirted with a triple double (and had four steals and just three turnovers) the night after playing 45 minutes and giving his best performance of the season. He also didn’t guard D-Will the entire game. Our shooting guards did time on him too and got worked as well. It was also Lin who gave Williams his last two fouls. Yeah, Lin played like ass and should be traded for a bag of bricks. Give me a break.

  146. max fisher-cohen

    David Crockett:
    Melo had six dimes tonight.

    Of course he’ll be given the Carlos Beltran “selfish” treatment.

    He was too unselfish, overpassed. He seemed unsure. Thus the six turnovers.

  147. Gamecockerbocker

    nicos:
    Also, Amar’e is a crappy defensive player but his defense had almost nothing to do with the loss tonight- he was on either She-Will or Petro the entire game and the Nets rarely involved those guys in the screen & rolls- he had a couple of plays where he could have closed out better on drives but that’s about it.

    The fact that he has no idea what “defensive rotations” or “helping the helper” mean had a lot to do with the loss tonight.

  148. JR Sec 112

    Unreason, thats ridiculous – he had 5 or 6 attempts in the last 4 minutes, when they were in desperation comeback mode. He (Lin) deferred plenty the first 3 quarters and guys just missed shots. Also, D Will was insane tonight and very, very few guys in the league could have done anything about it. Considering the back to back after an emotional win and the minutes he played in that game, no way to pin any of this game on Lin

  149. ephus

    hoolahoop:
    I can see that Lin has his share of apologists and defenders. Fanboys that can’t actually see what’s happening on the court.

    DWill ate chewed him up and spit him out. Not saying Lin hasn’t been great and won’t recover. But, tonight Dwill made a point . . . or should I say a lot of points.

    Jeremy Lin actually showed tonight that he is a good open court defender — with four steals coming on scramble plays. He is not good at chasing a shooter off of screen and curls, nor is good at fighting over the PnR. That is the reason Lin and Shumpert make such a strong combo. When Lin was getting chewed up in Toronto, Shumpert switched onto Calderon and shut him down. Tonight, there was no one who could stop Williams (except Williams when he fouled out on two foolish fouls).

    Chalk this up to learning. Fifteen games from now, the Knicks will handle this situation better.

  150. hoolahoop

    JR Sec 112:
    Also, everyone saying Lin was passive – if Amare and/or Novak hit a few more easy shots, he’d have had 13-14 assists and everyone would be saying he played a great game.

    Yeah, and if everyone never missed another shot Lin would have 30 assists a game and the knicks would never lose.

  151. BigBlueAL

    They just showed highlights of the game on TNT in between the 2 games and most of the highlights were of nice Knicks plays. Looked like they were up 13-3 to start the game.

  152. Unreason

    JR Sec 112: no way to pin any of this game on Lin

    I love him. Don’t get me wrong. But he lead in shot attempts througout the entire game. Not saying that means he lost it. But as a pg when your shots aren’t falling and your teams is loaded with shooters you ususally shoot less and work harder to get some of them going. He’s been outrageously good. I’m thrilled he’s on the team. Just pointing out a possible issue on a team already packed with guys that love to shoot.

  153. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks need to get to the All-Star break ASAP. They get 5 days off, play the Cavs at home then get another 3 days off before a tough road trip. They can really use the practice time and rest.

    Hopefully they can win on Wed so they dont enter the All-Star break on a 3 game losing streak.

  154. Owen

    Melo was terrible.
    The refs were terrible.
    Amare was terrible. (seriously, how many freaking elbow jumpers is going to take?)
    B-Dizzle was ridiculously bad. That step back three on his first possession. Just awful.

    Very frustrating.

    Lin, Melo, and Amare are all guys that dominate the ball. This isn’t going to work. Trade Melo.

  155. hoolahoop

    Gamecockerbocker: He also didn’t guard D-Will the entire game. Our shooting guards did time on him too and got worked as well. It was also Lin who gave Williams his last two fouls. Yeah, Lin played like ass and should be traded for a bag of bricks. Give me a break.

    Okay, Fanboy. They took Lin off of DWill because he was getting his ass kicked. That’s why others guarded him.
    And Lin didn’t “give” Dwill fouls. You can’t “give’ fouls. Dwill fouled him. That’s not Lin’s greatness.
    I can’t believe I’m responding to your statement

  156. nicos

    Gamecockerbocker: The fact that he has no idea what “defensive rotations” or “helping the helper” mean had a lot to do with the loss tonight.

    The Knicks got killed from the perimeter and few of those rotations were Amar’e's as Humphries did the lion’s share of the screening. He had little to do with Williams, Brooks and Stevenson going off.

  157. Unreason

    ephus: Jeremy Lin actually showed tonight that he is a good open court defender — with four steals coming on scramble plays

    I agree. He and Shump are both great thieves in the open court.

  158. A Voice of Reason

    BigBlueAL:
    The Knicks need to get to the All-Star break ASAP.They get 5 days off, play the Cavs at home then get another 3 days off before a tough road trip.They can really use the practice time and rest.

    Hopefully they can win on Wed so they dont enter the All-Star break on a 3 game losing streak.

    +1

  159. hoolahoop

    JR Sec 112:
    hoolahoop, please watch the games before making these foolish comments

    Thats what I was going to say to you.
    But, I don’t think you understand what’s actually happening on the court. Don’t feel bad, you have a lot of company here.

  160. JR Sec 112

    Where are the stats that he lead the team in FGs all game? he had one more than Amare at halftime and one more than him for the game. Its not like he was jacking them up all night long. He had 21 pts on 18 shots. Not exactly ‘shots not falling’. Also, Melo got the ball plenty, he just happened to turn it over a lot when he had it, hence he got less shot attempts.

  161. Unreason

    The overall bad D seems like a substantive problem for some of the units, maybe any unit that doesn’t include Chandler. I’m thinking the offensive offense is mostly bad luck. Not to be stingy in complementing the Nets D, but is wasn’t smothering. Lin did a decent job of getting several Knicks and himself decent looks. They just weren’t falling for anybody. I doubt that will happen too often.

  162. hoolahoop

    Lin’s confidence ebbs and flows during games. If you watch very carefully, you can see that sometimes he subtly puts himself in position to not receive the ball. Other times his confidence is clear in his body language.

  163. Gamecockerbocker

    hoolahoop: Okay, Fanboy. They took Lin off of DWill because he was getting his ass kicked. That’s why others guarded him.
    And Lin didn’t “give” Dwill fouls.You can’t “give’ fouls. Dwill fouledhim. That’s not Lin’s greatness.
    I can’t believe I’m responding to your statement

    Agreed. Lin had nothing to do with getting Williams out of the game, he’s a worse defender than STAT and a more deplorable chucker than Melo. Lin is probably the biggest reason for this loss and we should all acknowledge your greatness is analyzing basketball games. If all Lin can do the rest of the year is score 21 points dish out 8 assists and grab 7 rebounds while turning the ball over 3 times we might as well have just cut him. What was I thinking.

  164. tenebrous

    Hopefully there won’t be a losing streak (for the knicks) coming. Considering all the personnel changes and such.

  165. Unreason

    JR Sec 112: Where are the stats that he lead the team in FGs all game?

    I checked the box score at the quarters and he was ahead at each. But again. I’m not blaming him for the loss or saying Melo didn’t stink up the chances he had or anyone else Lin got the ball to. You’re right, 7-18 isn’t jacking it up.
    Let me put it to you this way. If he ends up leading the team in attempts every night, which I doubt he will, do you think that would be a good or a bad thing for the team?

  166. hoolahoop

    Gamecockerbocker: Agreed. Lin had nothing to do with getting Williams out of the game, he’s a worse defender than STAT and a more deplorable chucker than Melo. Lin is probably the biggest reason for this loss and we should all acknowledge your greatness is analyzing basketball games. If all Lin can do the rest of the year is score 21 points dish out 8 assists and grab 7 rebounds while turning the ball over 3 times we might as well have just cut him. What was I thinking.

    I won’t even respond to such dribble.

  167. Shad0wF0x

    I don’t remember if I was wearing Rainbow tinted glasses last year, but I could have sworn that Amar’e never dribbled the ball as high as he’s doing this year.

  168. SweatbandProliferation

    hoolahoop: I won’t even respond to such dribble.

    it’s spelled drivel. you’re right though Lin is a scrub. It’s his fault Deron shot 8 of 14 from 3. Talk about a weak link in the team am i right fellas

  169. tenebrous

    Shad0wF0x:
    I don’t remember if I was wearing Rainbow tinted glasses last year, but I could have sworn that Amar’e never dribbled the ball as high as he’s doing this year.

    I believe he’s not 100% after his back problem. That causes a tall person to dribble higher than normal to compensate for the lack of a comfortable swagger.

  170. JR Sec 112

    Its neither good or bad if he leads the team in shots or not – i just want him to shoot good shots. He shot good shots tonight and missed a couple that he normally makes. He got fouled on a couple of drives that werent called, cause it seemed like the refs tonight werent in the mood to make any calls.

    A lot of Lin’s value, in contrast to, say, Chris Duhon, is that he IS a scoring PG. The threat of him scoring opens up the floor. So he has to continue to drive and continue to shoot if thats whats there. I actually think he played pretty smart with the ball tonight and may have even deferred too much.

  171. TheXman

    WE do need to trade either Amare or Melo. They cannot coexist, both of them on the court are defensive liabilities. I wonder what it will take for a trade for Dwight. Will Amare, Fields, and Iman be enough for Dwight?

  172. Gamecockerbocker

    hoolahoop: I won’t even respond to such dribble.

    I will admit it, though… I am a Lin Apologist. I’m sincerely sorry that Lin carried us offensively, got his teammates involved and still managed to scrap up four steals and a career high in rebounds. If we sat him we’d probably have won. What a bum.

  173. The Infamous Cdiggy

    21 pts, 9 asts, 7 boards and 4 stls in a not-so-hot game… wow. I think this kid Lin will be… well he already is, but y’all know what I’m saying.

    DWill’s three-ball shooting was crrrrrrrrrazy, but i thought it was equaling as damaging that no one could stay in front of him. How many times did he have his defender on his hip as he penetrated?

    I know Kris Humphreys ain’t bad, but he outplayed Stat, whom you have to hope just needs some time to get things together be it physically or mentally. Right now, you can
    defend him on D and toast him on O…

    Unreason:
    …I’m a little worried that Lin had so many attempts in a game where getting any one of the Knicks shooters going would have made a big difference. Given how ridiculously good he’s been, I’m not that concerned, but all his team-first talk notwithstanding he definitely likes to shoot.

    I disagree. This system needs him to play this way. And once Amar’e and Melo get back to themselves (or close), he can go for 17-21pts and 10+ asts with a bit more ease.

    Glad to see Baron FINALLY out on the court.

  174. The Infamous Cdiggy

    TheXman:
    WE do need to trade either Amare or Melo.They cannot coexist, both of them on the court are defensive liabilities.I wonder what it will take for a trade for Dwight.Will Amare, Fields, and Iman be enough for Dwight?

    ay yo my man, please chill. This was a BAD loss, but no need to go off the deep end. This team needs time to gel and everyone knows it. Besides if you trade Iman, who in the hell is gonna competently guard 1s and 2s??? Tonight was Exhibit A for “What Happens When You Have No Good Perimiter Defenders”

  175. Juwanaxedqwe

    The Infamous Cdiggy:
    21 pts, 9 asts, 7 boards and 4 stls in a not-so-hot game… wow.I think this kid Lin will be… well he already is, but y’all know what I’m saying.

    DWill’s three-ball shooting was crrrrrrrrrazy, but i thought it was equaling as damaging that no one could stay in front of him.How many times did he have his defender on his hip as he penetrated?

    I know Kris Humphreys ain’t bad, but he outplayed Stat, whom you have to hope just needs some time to get things together be it physically or mentally.Right now, you can
    defend him on D and toast him on O…

    I disagree.This system needs him to play this way.And once Amar’e and Melo get back to themselves (or close), he can go for 17-21pts and 10+ asts with a bit more ease.

    Glad to see Baron FINALLY out on the court.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think we’re ever going to see the Amare of old again

  176. TheXman

    The Infamous Cdiggy: yone knows it. Besides if you trade Iman, who in the hell is gonna competently guard 1s and 2s??? Tonight was Exhibit A for “What Happens When You Have No Good Perimiter Defenders”

    I just need Amare off this team. He can’t play defense, and he doesn’t make open J’s. He had 4 rebounds tonight. HOW CAN YOU ACCEPT 4 REBOUNDS FROM OUR POWER FORWARD. I obv don’t want to trade away Iman or Fields. BUT FUCK, WE NEED TO GET RID OF EITHER AMARE OR MELO, we cannot have BOTH OF THEM. Amare scoring 17 points and 4 rebounds off like 16 shots is not GONNA GET IT DONE.

  177. JR Sec 112

    While I am pessimistic about Amare becoming a better defender, its a little early to write him off offensively. He’s been back for only a week after losing his older brother. Thats rough. Lets give him a bit more time. He was starting to play better earlier in the month and he was a monster in the Bulls game. He showed flashes tonight on a couple of nice AND 1s. He just needs to get that midrange jumper back.

  178. jon abbey

    KnicksFanInVA:
    What about Melo + Amare for Dwight + Turkoglu?

    heh, because Melo and Amare have worked so well together so far? you’re not getting Howard without giving up Lin, I don’t think.

  179. d-mar

    Owen:
    Melo was terrible.
    The refs were terrible.
    Amare was terrible. (seriously, how many freaking elbow jumpers is going to take?)
    B-Dizzle was ridiculously bad. That step back three on his first possession. Just awful.

    Very frustrating.

    Lin, Melo, and Amare are all guys that dominate the ball. This isn’t going to work. Trade Melo.

    Did you even watch the game? To say Melo dominated the ball is dumb, if anything, he was passing up open shots and being too passive most of the game

  180. Doug

    TheXman: I just need Amare off this team.He can’t play defense, and he doesn’t make open J’s.He had 4 rebounds tonight.HOW CAN YOU ACCEPT 4 REBOUNDS FROM OUR POWER FORWARD.I obv don’t want to trade away Iman or Fields.BUT FUCK, WE NEED TO GET RID OF EITHER AMARE OR MELO, we cannot have BOTH OF THEM.Amare scoring 17 points and 4 rebounds off like 16 shots is not GONNA GET IT DONE.

    Maybe if you WRITE MORE HYPERBOLIC STATEMENTS in ALL CAPS the stars will ALIGN and the UNIVERSE will COMPEL the basketball gods to GRANT YOUR CRAZY PIPE DREAM OF A WISH.

  181. Z

    d-mar: See, that’ just amazing to me, you didn’t see the game and you’re hoping with everything you’ve got that Melo was the reason they lost? What a great fan.

    Yes. I’m on vacation. In a foriegn country. I scrounge the bars intone hopes that someone will miraculously have MSG. I watch the espn ticker for 55 minutes hoping the Knicks will come bak from 17 down…

    Clearly I am a lousy fan.

  182. Doug

    We’re all lousy fans that are mere shadows compared to the Platonic idea lof a Knicks fan.

    This is silly.

  183. TheXman

    Doug: scrounge the bars intone hopes that someone will miraculously have MSG. I watch the espn ticker for 55 minutes hoping the Knicks will come bak from 17 down…

    LOL GODDAMMMN I WAS JUST TICKED OFF AFTER THE LOSS. We’ve bounced back from huge wins, to lose to shitty ass teams. We’re fighting for the playoffs, this magical past 2 weeks may be for naught if we just miss the playoffs. My expectations are so low, I just want playoffs, I don’t care about some top 3 contention bullshit. Top 3 in the East is ridiculous talk.

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