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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

Knicks versus Pistons

Wallace out for Detroit. Theo Ratliff starts for the Pistons. Lee and Chandler start for our beloved Knickerbockers. Wow.

107 comments on “Knicks versus Pistons

  1. David Crockett

    Gotta wonder if Thomas got a memo from upstairs… or maybe from the league office :)

  2. David Crockett

    Fred Jones’ jump shot just looks like it shouldn’t go in, but he’s hitting a decent % from three.

  3. Owen

    Yeah, Chandler looks raw, but very athletic, and not bad at all. You wish he would take better shots though…

    Frigging Jeffries, unbelievable…

  4. Owen

    Yaeh, that’s a great thing about Billups, built like a bull….

    Balkman sighting….

    How does Rip get a rebound?

  5. Owen

    Yeah, consecutive fast break offensive fouls. That is terrible.

    On the other hand, this might be the most athletic five players the Knicks have fielded in eight years…

  6. David Crockett

    This is one of the most athletic, but worst passing, lineups we’ve fielded…

    Now they came back with Lee.

  7. Latke

    anyone suspect that randolph has perhaps been encouraged to take an extended vacation? I think isiah is realizing that whether or not Randolph is better than curry, the knicks are better with just curry than with just randolph.

  8. Owen

    Curry looks a lot more comfortable on the offensive end, I don’t know whether I would call it “amazing grace”

  9. David Crockett

    McDyess just can’t do anything with Curry. They’re really looking for Curry tonight.

  10. David Crockett

    Pretty good D by Chandler–and help by Lee–on that Prince shot. Not much could be done.

  11. Owen

    super tough shot by Prince there after great defense…

    Let’s see what kind of genius play Isiah cooks up coming out of the timeout…

  12. David Crockett

    Boy, Nate got bumped on that shot too.

    When you’re a bad team in the NBA you really get brutalized by the officials. Detroit’s been getting that and 1.

  13. Owen

    Great effort by the Knicks and the Pistons bench. Quite a 14-2 run at the end there against the starters, although Wallace is out and Hamilton was ejected.

    Probably one of the most interesting halves of the season. Randolph out, so we see Curry playing well without him. Q doesn’t play. Chandler gets a lot of time. Wierd lineup combos.

    Sorry I am going to have to miss the second half here….

  14. David Crockett

    I also wonder what the hell Rip Hamilton got his drawers all in a twist about.

  15. David Crockett

    Guthrey is a terrible official. Young guy. That was a bad call on Nate (block). You don’t have to chest a guy up to take a charge. He was clearly run over.

  16. David Crockett

    this has been in some respects at least the best possible outcome in the homestand: 1. we got to see the kids, 2. we have been competitive against good teams, 3. we lost games but gained ping-pong balls.

  17. jon abbey

    I agree with all of that, except I don’t think we actually gained ping-pong balls, we’ve been pretty solidly wedged in 5th worst for a while. maybe if we can keep the win total to 20 or 21 for the year, we might have a chance to catch someone.

  18. njhoops

    Well, if there’s any bright side to this horrific season, at least we’re actually in the lottery this year, as opposed to praying that the Bulls don’t get lucky with our pick the last two years.

    Also a question, does the number of losses you have effect the number of ping pong balls? In other words if you are the 5th worst team, does it matter if you have 1 more loss or 10 more losses than the 4th worst team in terms of # of ping pong balls? Just curious.

  19. jon abbey

    “does the number of losses you have effect the number of ping pong balls? In other words if you are the 5th worst team, does it matter if you have 1 more loss or 10 more losses than the 4th worst team in terms of # of ping pong balls? Just curious.”

    nope, just what place you’re in.

  20. vokmar

    what happens now if some how the knicks start to win games? If that affects the ping pong balls then the number of losses should too.

  21. vokmar

    what happens now if some how the knicks start to win games? If that affects the ping pong balls then the number of losses should too.

    The question now would be tank even the absolutely winnable ones or keep fighting to the end.

  22. Latke

    no crawford or curry this game either? Not watching the game, just checked the box score. Can anyone tell me why?

  23. hoolahoop

    That’s one advantage the Knicks have. They have such bad players that when they lose their best guys it doesn’t effect the team much.

  24. dave crockett

    Asinine for Morris to have a DNP-CD in a game where we got pounded on the offensive boards.

  25. Z-man

    Went to game last night. I have been saying for a while that Nate is the best player on the team. He proved it in this game.

    Lee, despite a solid game, had a rough time with LaMarcus. Lee has to bulk up during off-season.

    Roy is a throwback. He’s Allan Houston with a better handle. Or for you fellow old guys, very Clyde-like.

    With Odem, these guys are going to be tough next year. Prysbilla is tough, probably more of a back-up, maybe he just looked good because we didn’t have a center.

    I talked to Jerome James in the tunnel, he says he’s healthy. Why he and Morris got zero burn with Zach and Eddy out is another Zeke-ism.

  26. T-Mart

    Did he have powdered sugar caked on his lips or chocolate on his face when he was talking to you?

  27. Brian Cronin

    It really is amazing that Morris did not play in this game.

    Even for Isiah, that was bizarre.

    Still, I love seeing the team play well without their “stars.”

  28. njhoops

    Z-man, I love Nate’s energy and passion, but he really needs to calm down sometimes. He does not have to let out a primal scream after every basket (one of which resulted in a T) and after the game he was smiling and high fiving like they won the game. He still has a lot of growing up to do. Compare him to some of the elite guards like Roy and Paul who visited the Garden recently, I didn’t see them yelling or a smile cross either of their faces, and they won!

  29. Thomas B.

    I don’t mind Nate’s screaming and chest pounding as long as his head is in the game. Nate is the kind of guy that has been told “you’ll never make it in basketball.” The yelling is just his reminding everyone that he has arrived. He kind of had to be his bggest fan because who else would have said “Yes, you can make it to the NBA at 5’8”.” If the screaming gets him 45, then by all means scream.

    As for the tech, that was just a horrid call. The scream was aimed at the crowd it just happened that Blake was nearby. That is an examole of a ref not doing their scouting report. Anyone who has watched Nate knows that when he wants to get in your face he will do it and there will be no mistake about it. The ref could have goven a verbal warning. I was hoping that stupid tech call would not come back to haunt us, but in an OT game every point counts.

    I dont even have a problem with the smiles after the game. Especially since the game was a kind of reuninon for Nate since a number of Blazers played HS and NCAA ball in Washington. Plus Nate had no reason to be down when he did his absolute best to win that game (he got hosed on the no call on his final shot of regulation). Why shoudl anyone be upset when they did everything they could to win. It wasnt Nate’s fault Lee, Jones, and Chandler could’nt finish point blank put backs, and he isnt to blame for Isiah instructing his players to keep Aldridge and Pryzbilla off the boards.

  30. njhoops

    Sorry, Thomas B., whether it motivates him or not, there’s no place in basketball (or any sport) for a guy screaming at the top of his lungs after every basket. Plus, it probably motivates the other team as much as him. I’m not blaming the loss on him, he played great, but he really needs to settle down.

  31. cbrooklyn

    i think nate could really make it as the starting pg..yes he does have lots of maturing to do but thats the coaching staffs responsibility///he gets to the hole at will and his j is real….

  32. Ess-dog

    I think the next 20 games will be important in recognizing if Nate will be our point guard of the future or if we need to address the position in the draft. There is no doubt he is an incredibly gifted athletic talent, but is he a real point? Can he run the pick and roll, pound it into the big men and defend elite point guards like Nash and Parker? If not, then we have to address the position in the draft. And If we get a new point like Rose or Mayo, where does that leave Nate? Should we trade him while his value is pretty high (compared to other Knicks) or try to make him a 6th man off the bench? There’s no doubt he’s too small to be a 2-guard and would be a liability there.
    Of course, we’re talking about the Knicks, so nothing they do will make sense. As I see it, we have 2 6th men starting in Crawford and Nate. We need better players at both positions. Nate has more upside that Jamal, but like I said, he’s limited to just playing the point while Jamal can play both guard positions. We could keep Nate as the starting point guard and then focus on big men or 2-guards in the draft. Or make Nate trade bait.

  33. Thomas B.

    I dont see how nate is any diferent than many players. Before Jordan won six titles, he was a huge trash talker and showboat. He would dunk on a guy then get right in his face and tell him about it. Do you recall the way he stood over Ewing when he posterized him in 1992?

    We can agree to disagree. I think energy and excitement can be a great motivator. I just want nate to control his emotion and not let it control his decision making. Nate made very good decisions last night. How boring would this game be without the expression of emotion? This boring…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrRO1jCPrzg

  34. Z-man

    I agree that Nate’s screaming is unprofessional. However, the comments about how he reacted after the game are uncalled for. He clearly emptied the tank last night and was crushed by yet another loss. I was outside the locker room door after the game and Nate came up to the door but didn’t come out to sign autographs like Lee, Q, Wilson, Balk, and everyone else did. You could see in his face that he was totally spent.

    Lee was pissed at Aldridge for a dirty play, said to a friend that he was close to going after him.

    By the way, my 8-year old son was treated royally by Clyde on the sideline both before and after the game. Clyde couldn’t have been more patient and gracious with him as he looked around for a pen, signed his hat, and posed for a photo with him.

    Chandler showed a lot of promise last night. He is a load at SF and had some polished moves to the hoop. If his shot comes around, he could be a quality SF on both ends. I hope he gets lots of light for the rest of the year.

  35. Thomas B.

    I’ll take this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MywyMVCfX6Q

    over those emotionless 1950′s icons any day.

    Perhaps I understand Nate, as I am a man under 6 feet who can dunk, it is great to see people overlook you then to beat them to the hole and throw one down…yeah you scream, I know I do everytime.

    The NBA, where emotion lives.

  36. Thomas B.

    Last word from me on the subject.

    NJhoops, would you prefer to have the emotionaless Fredric Weiss on the Knicks over Nate?

    Nah, I did not think so.

  37. nj hoop

    Come on, this doesn’t come down to preferring emotion over no emotion. And if he wants to let it all hang out once in a while, fine, but not every single time he scores. Let’s just leave it at that, and move on to something more important, like how do we get David Stern to fix the lottery like in 1985?

  38. Ray

    If you want an undersized PG to be emotionless after dropping 40 plus then you need your brain checked. There is nothing wrong with showing passion after putting forth such an amazing effort. Quit trying to take the fun out of the game. I play basketball for no money and I pound my chest and yell things out loud. Its nice to see at least one of the Knicks showing some passion during a season horrible basketball. Give me a break…unprofessional. This is not and office or a court where they play on its MSG. You get paid to entertain thats what he did.

    Ok…now that I got that out of my system. OJ Mayo has been playing really well as of late and I expect him to have a strong March Madness if they actually make it. Since Arizona started losing I dont hear many people talking about Bayless so I think it would be smart for him to stay another year. DJ Augustine is playing really well as of late. He gets into the lane and dishes the ball. Pretty good court vision for a smaller PG. There are some good options in the draft for a guard. I think if Nate doesnt start here he will find a starting job elsewhere. His value is really high right now and it might be a good idea to trade him for another pick in this draft. Thabeet is still improving and if we could get another pick I would take a PG..maybe Mayo and Thabeet for that defensive toughness in the middle. Let Curry get surgery and play Morris and Chandler. Now we have reason to watch.

  39. Z-man

    Ray,
    Spud Webb, Calvin Murphy, Mugsey Bogues, Earl Boykins are all little guys who overcame, but didn’t hurt their team by getting needless technical fouls, getting suspended for escalating fights and firing up opponents by howling after every basket. Even Iverson picks his spots.

    Those who follow this blog know that I have been one of Nate’s staunchest supporters. However, his “passion” has often hurt the team. If you are saying you have to take the good with the bad, I can relate and agree. But, any conduct that lessens the team’s chance of winning a game, and someday a playoff berth or a championship, is unprofessional. He might also cause someody to take a shot at one of his teammates, much like too much swagger by a hitter after a HR may cause one of his teammates to get beaned.

  40. T-Mart

    “hurt their team by getting needless technical fouls, getting suspended for escalating fights and firing up opponents by howling after every basket. Even Iverson picks his spots.”

    Cmon man….when did Nate become Rasheed Wallace. And yeah he escalated a fight which a brilliant molder of young talent named Isiah is more responsible for then anyone else. With regard to his “firing up opponents”, the positive effect his passion has had on the rest of the team which is typically on life-support in that department, is much welcomed and out-weighs any negative impact of “firing up opponents”.

  41. Thomas B.

    Z-man,

    I respectfully disagree.

    I do not see how Nate’s “passion” hurt the team against Portland. He played within himself and showed how dangerous he can be. He stepped up as leader on a team that despreately needs one. Nobody would care if the Knicks were sitting on 42 wins today. Unfortunately, the Knicks are looking at a 58 loss season, so fans focus on things like Nate getting a (totally undeserved) tech.

    The brawl was two years ago, let that go. How many people havent made a mistake at 21? There is a huge difference between escalating a fight-which he did-and pumping yourself up after driving the lane, finishing over a 7 foot guy, and taking contact.

    Performance and emotions like Nate displayed are what fans want to see, that and a win. What we do not want is Nate bouncing the ball off the ground to himself for a dunk, we do not want Nate showboating and taunting the opposing bench after a dunk that cuts the lead to 25, we do not want to see Nate arguing a call when he should be getting on D.

    NY fans don’t mind emotion as long as it accompanies production. We mind it even less if it accompanies a winning season. Had Nate got the foul call at the end of the game and hit the FT to win, we would not be discussing his yelling. We would be talking about one of the best individual performances of any Knick this season.

    Nate = Great

    Look on the bright side, he may not be perfect but he has matured from his rookie year. I think the growth shows that he will get even better as time passes.

    Pleeze furgive aney speeling erors ore misteaks gramitikal.

  42. Thomas B.

    “Cmon man….when did Nate become Rasheed Wallace.”

    Thank you T-Mart.

    Mrs. Thomas B said:

    “The Knicks have been much more fun to watch lately. Sure, they lost but they were not down by 20 at any point in the game. The opening day starters always fell behind. At least Nate, Lee and Balkman care enough to keep the game interesting.”

    A Knicks fan and she is easy on the eyes too. Lucky me.

  43. Ray

    Thats Nate being Nate. With him you do have to accept the good with the bad. What you get from him is optimum effort every night and against Portland he ran out of gas. He gave his all and that was it. His confidence is through the roof right now and I expect him to finish the season strong. It might raise his trade value or maybe might be a better reason for us to keep him. We will see.

  44. o_boogie

    nba tv daily and hoopshype are reporting that curry will probably have season ending surgery.

    good news for morris.

  45. jon abbey

    the Post reported yesterday that Morris said he’d stay in NY next year if he was wanted, also good news. we’ve got to somehow free up some roster flexibility, though, it’s ridiculous that we can’t even take a flyer when someone like Gerald Green gets released.

  46. Caleb

    If we let Jones and Collins walk, we can re-sign Morris, keep our first-round pick and still have a roster spot available. Not sure I’d give Morris any special props over another free agent, though at least he’ll come cheap.

  47. dave crockett

    Collins can walk. (Too bad. I loved him coming out of Temple. I knew he’d struggle offensively, but yeesh…) I’d like to see Jones stay for a reasonable deal but I wouldn’t cry if he was cut. He’s a pretty useful player. Besides, I suspect that Marbury’s bench spot will clear out somehow this off-season.

  48. jon abbey

    yeah, I know the people here can clear spots (Jerome James sure proved all the critics who wanted to buy him out in preseason wrong, huh?), but sadly we’re not running the team.

  49. Frank O.

    You know what:

    If Nate wants to let out a little primal roar after dropping 45 on 57 percent from the floor and 85 percent from the line with 6 assists and 6 boards and only two turnovers…well, hell, he should go right ahead.

    I find it amazing that the man puts up one of the best personal performances Madison Square Garden has seen from a Bricks player in years and people are begrudging a celebration of sorts.

    Never mind him being 5’9. If he were 6’9, people would be raving about it.

    Bricks fans over-think this stuff, probably because the Bricks’ margin for error is so slim.

    I find it amazing…all year long, the Bricks have some diamonds in the rough on the bench – Lee, Balkman, Robinson, and even Chandler and Morris – and not until it is quite clear they won’t win more games than Larry Brown’s horrid effort do they get a shot at playing.

    And all this Nate bashing is funny. He was contained, didn’t throw the ball away, and created for his teammates. Sure, not every shot he took was terrific, but I see a lot of very good players taking bad shots and no one objects too much. He shot 57 percent! This was not a Crawford high scoring game where he misses 60 percent of his shots and gets 30 pts.

    If the Bricks had gone young early in the season, a harangue I’ve been boring this blog with for months, I suspect they’d be a hell of a lot further along than they are.

  50. jon abbey

    my postgame research not too far off what Elias came up with:

    “Nate Robinson, listed at 5-9, became only the third player listed at 5-9 or shorter to score 40 points in an NBA game. He had 45 in a loss Saturday to Portland. Calvin Murphy, listed at 5-9, had seven games of 40-or-more points with a high of 57 points playing for the Rockets against the Nets in 1978; and Dino Martin, listed at the same height, scored 40 points for the Providence Steamrollers against the Cleveland Rebels back in 1947, in the first year of what was then known as the Basketball Association of America.”

  51. retropkid

    Given all the off court shenanigans…and combined with the horrid W/L record, this has to be the worst year in the history of the franchise

    The list of what we are missing is longer than my arm:

    1. a defender in the middle
    2. speed at the forward position
    3. a true point guard
    4. a true coach
    5. a smart owner
    6. a lights out shooter off the bench
    7. just one true superstar talent

    Any decent club has some of these…a few have all of them…so yeah, we like some of our bench guys….but it’s just amazing how far from being good we are…and after 7 years of losses…

    i think it starts with loading up for LeBron in 2010 now…and you hope other talented role guys follow him here (Minaya’s strategy when he brought in Pedro in MLB). Until you get the real top drawer guy, you got much of nuthin….

  52. retropkid

    Given all the off court shenanigans…and combined with the horrid W/L record, this has to be the worst year in the history of the franchise

    The list of what we are missing is longer than my arm:

    1. a defender in the middle
    2. speed at the forward position
    3. a true point guard
    4. a true coach
    5. a smart owner
    6. a lights out shooter off the bench
    7. just one true superstar talent

    Any decent club has some of these…a few have all of them…so yeah, we like some of our bench guys….but it’s just amazing how far from being good we are…and after 7 years of losses…

    i think it starts with loading up for LeBron in 2010 now…and you hope other talented role guys follow him here (Minaya’s strategy when he brought in Pedro in MLB). Until you get the real top drawer guy, you got much of nuthin….

  53. Thomas B.

    jon abbey,

    Good work with the research. I was looking for that too. I saw Boykins drop 36 twice, and Spud Webb’s career high was 34. Never heard of Martin, or the Rebels, or the Steamrollers. Those sounds like the names of Rollerderby teams.

  54. Frank

    For all you Nate-haters out there — you must be joking me that you are offended by his celebrations after scoring. C’mon people, he is the only one who plays the game like he actually enjoys it! Even Lee, who has been playing quite well lately, runs around with a scowl on his face the whole time. And being at the game, I can tell you this was the loudest the Garden has been this year except for possibly when they made that huge comeback against the Lakers. Nate, his energy, and his joy were singularly responsible for it. He’s not standing over people like most showboaters do, or using silly premeditated props like TO or Joe Horn — he’s just screaming at how happy with himself he is. It’s all spontaneous. And being an underdog like he is makes the crowd get that much more into it. And in case you forgot, the fans are who he is paid to entertain — and we were all going crazy for him. he’s not paid to spare the feelings of Pryzbilla (who played quite well overall) – for Pete’s sake, Pryzbilla was probably internally cheering for the little guy that could.

    Now, why Balkman wasn’t out there guarding Roy in overtime — that is the kind of coaching move that makes me think Isiah is trying to tank the season. And this lineup that left Q trying to guard Aldridge in the post? No surprise we got killed in OT.

    Final stretch will be interesting — I might actually watch if Curry, Randolph, Jamal, and Steph are all out. Lots of good effort out there even though we are playing handicapped out there.

  55. Brian Cronin

    I’d like it if the Knicks just sped things along a bit, and cut Collins now, so they can see what Green would look like at the 2 guard.

  56. jon abbey

    “I’d like it if the Knicks just sped things along a bit, and cut Collins now, so they can see what Green would look like at the 2 guard.”

    that’s what I’m talking about. Green is only 22, make room for him now!

  57. z-man

    Thomas B. et al.,
    Nate not only deserved the tech (It all happened right in front of me, it was only a matter of time. Even if you disagree, he gave the ref an excuse)he almost got a second one for arguing the call. Since we ended regulation tied instead of up 1, that one point basically cost us the game the game. Furthermore, we lost in OT, where Nate had nothing left. Maybe he might have been a bit less tired if he didn’t waste so much energy screaming and arguing.

    Also, Nate was suspended last season, not 2 years ago.

    Again, I’m a big fan of Nate’s, so we probably shouldn’t be arguing over this.

  58. jon abbey

    “Since we ended regulation tied instead of up 1, that one point basically cost us the game.”

    this is a ridiculous argument that Mike Breen used to make every single time anyone ever got a T, before he either got smarter or someone told him to stop it. there’s no way of knowing how the rest of the game would have played out if the Knicks had one more point, I’d think this goes without saying but obviously not.

  59. Thomas B.

    Z-man,

    Okay, I give. It was not two years ago. It was only 451 days, or 1 year 2 months and 24 days, or 10,824 hours, or 649,440 minutes, or 38, 966, 448 seconds since Nate was suspended. Though as it is 2008, you could say 2006 was two years ago. By why argue the point?

    We are each fans of Nate and we can agree that we want him to focus on the game rather than the performances. We simply disagree on what sort of expression is acceptable. As the song goes…

    Either, either
    Niether, niether

    Lets call the whole thing off.
    —–

    Anybody in favor of bringing in Gerald Green? It would give us yet another young wing. We only need three more young slashing wings to become the Hawks of the North, which is only marginally better than our current status as the Clippers of the East.

  60. Frank O.

    and again, the very fire that this guy brings to his game is what helps him get 45 points. If he plays a low intensity game, he probably doesn’t score as many points and the Bricks lose.
    This is all silly.
    The dude is a serious talent, a crowd pleaser, the Bricks would be stupid not to play him and encourage him.

  61. flitzy

    Absolutely not one thing to lose taking a flyer on green…He never got the shot he deserved anyhwere i don’t think…but than again i dont see him practice, but when given the shot in boston, i think he looked good when he knew he was getting minutes, not fighting for PT

  62. retropkid

    are there really Knick fans complaining about Nate’s behavior? Of all the things to complain about, that one is ridiculous….you can question his decision-making sometimes, but gotta love his fire out there….unusual in the pros, especially regular season…wish we had more of it.

  63. Ricky

    I wonder what William C. Rhoden (author of Forty Million Dollar Slaves) would say about critics of Nate’s outward display of emotion…

  64. Hudson River

    “Since we ended regulation tied instead of up 1, that one point basically cost us the game the game.”

    What jon said plus if he shot only 50% from the field we would have lost by 10.

  65. retropkid

    if Crawford made 48% of his shots this year, we would’ve won 10 more games…I’m thinking we can thank Crawford when Zeke gets fired….if he shot at the league average, Zeke might still be here next year…thanks Jamal! You shot him outta here!!!

  66. Brian Cronin

    I have absolutely no problem with shows of emotion.

    The only time I ever have problems with guys is when they take their show of emotion and make it into an insult of the other team – but that’s really specific stuff that doesn’t come up often (TO putting the ball on Dallas’ logo, Jordan screaming at Van Gundy, stuff like that), and I do not think came up in Nate’s game.

  67. Brian Cronin

    As for Green, yeah, he’s a slasher, but he’s 22 and obviously has some real talent, while at the same time, he is not going to be picked up by any other good team, so why not give him a shot?

    It’s not like Collins will be here next year, so why belabor the point?

  68. Thomas B.

    “Since we ended regulation tied instead of up 1, that one point basically cost us the game the game.”

    If Chandler had not missed a free throw, or if Lee had made that put back in the 2nd quarter, or if Nate’s foot was not on the line on that long two, or if Roy had missed the technical….

    Any number of things could have gone the other way. If the tech was on the last play of the game then maybe you could argue that point. But that tech was a first half call was it not? I understand your point, I just think it is a bad example.

    There was a game a few years ago in which Don Nelson picked up a tech after the final horn. If I recall the team hit the FT and the Warriors lost the game by 1. Now that is an example where your action is the direct and proximate cause of the loss. Does anyone else recall that game/event?
    —–

    If we can get Green signed for the rest of the year (do we get an injury exception for Steph?) I say you have to see what he can give you. On draft night this guy was considered a top 10 talent. We dont lose a thing by bringing him in.

  69. vokmar

    retropkid
    Any decent club has some of these…a few have all of them…so yeah, we like some of our bench guys….but it’s just amazing how far from being good we are…and after 7 years of losses…

    What about taking mediocre or rough talent and creating stars? I’d rather have home grown stars than buy supposed to be superstars.

  70. Thomas B.

    Funny stuff from Bill Simmons, here is a snipet..

    What if the Knicks had never hired Isiah Thomas?

    This could have been its own bizarro “Where Amazing Happens” commercial called “Where Isiah Happens.”

    (Cue up the annoying piano music that haunts me every time I try to fall asleep after hearing it for five straight months.)

    Read the rest @

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/080310

  71. T-MART

    I decided to do a little searching about Gerald Green through some Celtics Blogs to get a better understanding of what exactly the reason for his demise was. What do you know I find Knicks bashing:

    “Personally, I think he’s a great fit for the Knicks. Not just because he is a lot of talent, zero hoops IQ, and seems to have a high opinion of himself, but also because the Knicks actually could use his outside shooting. And Isiah could finally say that he brought a champion* to New York.”

    http://soulhonky.com/candanny/2008/03/the_fall_of_gerald_green_conti.html

    Good God now Im positive Isiah will bring this guy in. Regardless of the mounting circumstantial evidence pointing towards Gerald Green not being worth the time, I agree with everyone else that given his age, potential, and our minimal $ commitment to him, might as well roll the dice. Although adding another low IQ non-defender could stoke the fire in a hugely unproductive way.

  72. W. C.

    I love Nate, but let’s be serious here. He is not now and never will be the type of player that can be the starting PG on a team that wins the championship. He’s too small to defend many bigger guards and not really the kind of player that makes those around him better like a true PG does.

    He’s absolutely great coming off the bench when the team needs some energy in spots where he can defend. But other than that you are all delusional if you think he can be our starting PG of the future.

    I mean no disrespect. He’s one of the greatest athletes in all of professional sports, but his height is a limitation in a lot of situations and he doesn’t have a PG’s mentality. This is coming from a guy that is 5′ 5″ tall. So Nate is big compared to me.

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