Sebas94:
I’m sorry, but I feel like they gave up too much. I don’t mind losing the second rounders, but all three of the young guys? Bit much in m opinion. The knicks can’t resist giving up their homegrown players, i hate it. I get attached and they leave! Lol i sound like I just got dumped…

I understand the base sentiment for trading young guys for old, but please look at the players in context instead of generalizing with past gaffes. Look at the three young homegrown guys individually: none of them have All-Star potential; none of them have even sixth-man potential, unless TD reverts back to ’10-’11, and he was horrible last year (I still think his shoulder had a lot to do with that).

Let’s not get too carried away with the youth movement narrative.

ephus:
RE-POSTED from prior thread:

Like everyone else who has posted, I am happy that Novak is coming back. If he is working on one skill this off-season, I hope it is learning to pick and pop. It is a much less athletic move than learning to curl off of a screen. Since Lambeer could do it, I figure it is within Novak’s reach. A Lin/Novak PnP would be a devastating play.

A Novak/Melo PnP would also be effective. A mistake that the NYK made last season was never playing Melo and Novak on the same side. Melo was always strong side dribbling the ball and fighting through double teams while Novak was usually standing on the weak side waiting for the ball that usually never rotated to him when he and Melo were both in the game. In addition, the PnR using Novak to set screens then roll to a 3 pt spot would also be effective. Hopefully, during training camp and preseason Woody can work in some actual plays for Novak.

Robtachi: Are you serious right now? Toronto is giving Fields 3yrs/$20mil. Hibbert is getting a max deal. Omer fucking Asik is getting more than Fields. Joe Johnson is making more than Melo. Chris Bosh makes exactly as much as LeBron James. Orlando is still paying Gilbert Arenas in excess of $20mil, it’s just off their cap. Same with Elton Brand and the Sixers. Is Rudy Gay really worth $16mil? How about this eye-opener: Tyson Chandler is making almost exactly the same amount as… wait for it… Emeka Okafor. Okafor is a nice complementary piece, while Chandler is the DPOY and backbone of this Knicks team. I could go on and on and on.

I think this is all true. The only thing we know about bad NBA contracts is that you notice the ones on your team and you don’t notice the other ones.

And, answering your question, it seems Tyson Chandler and Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak were all on very reasonable deals this past year.

StatsTeacher:
Broken record here:Brandon Rush shot over 45% from 3 pt last year.he is the fuckin’ answer for the last piece.Absent that, Dorell Wright or Courtney Lee.I am impressed with how Dolan has said, “Luxury Tax?What’s that again.”This ain’t Golden State!Try for those guys LONG before thinking about matching Fields.

Dolan paid $45,000,000 in luxury tax alone in 2007. (that was for a 23 win team featuring Eddy Curry, Steph Marbury, Zach Randolph, QRich, Crawford, JJ1, JJ2, and Malik Rose.) I think he’d consider matching that number if it guaranteed at least 24 wins next year.

As for SG. Andy Rautins is itching to come home. (he could be had had for a mere $3.1 mil with tax!)

jon abbey: we are about to wildly underpay for JR Smith, if that helps.

Smith must really like NY to take a decent pay cut. Its actually more amazing than Ray Allen taking less because Smith is young and really hasn’t made alot of money in the league thus far.

yehudi3000: i would rather get a SG and use amare on center- melo 4 somtimes

In case this thread gets too hot to handle.

Glew:
correct me if im wrong but i believe a team can not do sign and trades if they are over the apron

They can this year. Cant next year.

As for whether we gave too much, this was the only way we could get Camby so the question becomes what else we could’ve gotten. I say it’s a good deal.

The ability to throw out a Camby-Chandler-Melo-Shumpert-Smith defensive lineup against Lebron-Wade-Allen-Bosh-Anyone is worth it’s weight in crunch time. And yes, i may put Camby on Lebron in that circumstance.