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Sunday, October 26, 2014

Knicks Point Guards Hurting Offensive Efficiency

The inconsistent scoring punch of Raymond Felton and Toney Douglas is hindering the Knicks offense. This season Felton is having a career year for points, assists, and free throws attempted per 36 minutes. However his true shooting percentage (TS%) of 52.5% and effective field goal percentage (eFG%) of 47.8% is significantly lower than the other rotation players on the Knicks. Felton’s 14.0 field goal attempts per 36 minutes is third on the team. He is backed up by Douglas’s who is sporting a low assist count (2.2 ast/36), weak shooting percentage (47.9 eFG%), mediocre three point shooting (33.7% 3P%), and dismal TS% (50.5%). Like Felton, Douglas’ inefficiency isn’t preventing him from using possessions, taking 13.3 shots per 36.

According to 82games.com, the team’s lowest eFG% (50.2%) is coming from the point guard spot, manned primarily by Felton and Douglas. Additionally that position takes the highest amount of shots (19.1 FGA). The next most prolific position is power forward (Amar’e Stoudemire and Wilson Chandler) averaging 17.9 fga and a 52.7% eFG%, while small forward (Danilo Gallinari and Chandler) is the most efficient (54.3% TS%) at the second lowest volume (16.8 fga).

Neither guard shoots particularly well from outside, despite the fact that they take a fairly high number of jumpers. Only about 20 percent of their shots are from in the paint (Felton 22%, Douglas 19%), where their eFG% is at least 100 points higher. Additionally neither Felton (33%) nor Douglas (34%) have been good 3 pt shooters this year.

Clearly the inefficiency of the pair is a drag on the offense. What is most disturbing is not the lack of efficiency, but rather the rate at which they attempt shots. Giving Felton and Douglas the right to out-shoot their more efficient teammates, especially from the perimeter, is like giving Bengie Molina the green light to steal bases. Donnie Walsh would be best served finding a point guard that can shoot efficiently, while running the offense. Until then, the Knicks, and D’Antoni in particular, should rein in their point guards’ tendency to take outside shots and get them to distribute more in order to give the offense a lift.

58 comments on “Knicks Point Guards Hurting Offensive Efficiency

  1. Frank O. Post author

    Rein in…:)
    IMHO, unless they move the shooting away from Felton and Douglas to more efficient scorers, they’re going to be hard pressed to move up in the standings and, in fact, they could possible be overtaken by the 76ers.

  2. Nick C.

    Nice post. LOL on the Bengie Molina line.
    Anyone have info on how the shot distribution tracks with Phoenix when MDA was there?

  3. Doug

    rayhed: its still unclear if felton and amare know how to run a pick’n’roll  

    No, it was clear in December. Then the league adjusted and teams started packing the paint to stop Amar’e from rolling. The Knicks haven’t adjusted because Felton misses a ton of shots and is unable to punish teams for stopping Amar’e.

  4. Frank O. Post author

    Doug:
    No, it was clear in December. Then the league adjusted and teams started packing the paint to stop Amar’e from rolling. The Knicks haven’t adjusted because Felton misses a ton of shots and is unable to punish teams for stopping Amar’e.  

    Agreed.
    I can’t emphasize more, however, that this is a tandem issue.
    Ray is shooting too much. But if he had a more productive backup who actually facilitates the offense, this team’s offense probably would improve greatly.
    There is absolutely no reason to justify the number of shots Douglas is taking. When he is point, he needs to be creating for teammates, and judging by his assists, he’s not even trying.

    Of course, this board has always maintained that the Knicks need a true point to back up Ray. It appears they could have an answer from within at center, the other great need.
    But there are no answers on the reservation; they’ll need to go outside.

  5. David Crockett

    Frank O.:
    Agreed.
    I can’t emphasize more, however, that this is a tandem issue.
    Ray is shooting too much. But if he had a more productive backup who actually facilitates the offense, this team’s offense probably would improve greatly.
    There is absolutely no reason to justify the number of shots Douglas is taking. When he is point, he needs to be creating for teammates, and judging by his assists, he’s not even trying.Of course, this board has always maintained that the Knicks need a true point to back up Ray. It appears they could have an answer from within at center, the other great need.
    But there are no answers on the reservation; they’ll need to go outside.  

    I have been a DWTDD defender in the past, and I do like his defense on staggered screens and the like. But yeah, he’s wretched on offense–just no feel for the screen roll and how to get others involved.

    The market for PGs doesn’t look great though.

  6. Frank O. Post author

    David Crockett: Sure would be nice if we could get ANYTHING from Roger Mason, Jr. ANYTHING.  

    Yeah, Mason. The guy get’s paid to hang with the team, run in practice, and cheer from the bench.
    Jerome James in a small size.
    How did he go from being a decent shooter to the man most likely to miss…everything?

  7. gbaked

    I feel like the hardest thing for a player to learn when playing for Mike D is when NOT to shoot. Its something that took chandler a while to figure out, Felton had figured out then forgot and Toney has never quite grasped.

  8. David Crockett

    Frank O.:
    Yeah, Mason. The guy get’s paid to hang with the team, run in practice, and cheer from the bench.
    Jerome James in a small size.
    How did he go from being a decent shooter to the man most likely to miss…everything?  

    He was kind of the insurance policy against Douglas not getting it. It was the right move at the time I suppose. It just hasn’t paid off. I’d look at Sacramento’s Luther Head or Pooh Jeter for some potential short-term reasonable cost fixes.

  9. KnickfaninNJ

    I agree they are not so great and they are worse offensively than the rest of the team. But I think that’s true of many point guards in the league. If a point guard can handle point duties and also score efficiently, he tends to be a star. So I am curious, is Felton worse than the average league point guard? I don’t know the statistics at all for this and couldn’t find such a comparison in a brief internet browse.

    As for backup point guards, I would say actually Rautins is just as likely to be point guard as Mason is in a pinch. This doesnt’ mean it wouldn’t be nice to have a better option.

  10. Frank O. Post author

    Anyone who can combine my kid’s favorite literary character with my favorite ball player over the past 15 years is all right with me. :)
    Even if his name really is Eugene and he’s only 5’11.

  11. Frank O. Post author

    KnickfaninNJ: I agree they are not so great and they are worse offensively than the rest of the team.But I think that’s true of many point guards in the league.If a point guard can handle point duties and also score efficiently, he tends to be a star.So I am curious, is Felton worse than the average league point guard?I don’t know the statistics at all for this and couldn’t find such a comparison in a brief internet browse.As for backup point guards, I would say actually Rautins is just as likely to be point guard as Mason is in a pinch. This doesnt’ mean it wouldn’t be nice to have a better option.  

    To keep it at apples and apples, it would be useful to look at it by position, since most teams’ PG is a two headed beast.
    Give me a few minutes and I’ll get back to you.

  12. ess-dog

    KnickfaninNJ: I agree they are not so great and they are worse offensively than the rest of the team.But I think that’s true of many point guards in the league.If a point guard can handle point duties and also score efficiently, he tends to be a star.So I am curious, is Felton worse than the average league point guard?  

    I’d say after a quick scan of the league that he’s better than Kyle Lowry, Mike Bibby, Derek Fisher and Shannon Brown, Baron Davis, Stuckey, Beno Udrih, Ridnour, Mo Williams, Brandon Jennings and about even with Mike Conley and Darren Collison. There’s probably one or two other starters that I’m forgetting, so I’d say he’s about average, maybe slightly below average for a starting point guard.

  13. Frank O. Post author

    I did a breakdown by team and by position, because I do see Felton/Douglas as a two-headed beast. I’m not sure if it does much good to compare them with other teams. The Knicks run a high tempo high possession offense. Other teams operate very differently. Some use their PG as the first scoring option. Others hardly use their point, like Miami, which runs its team through either Wade or Lebron.

    Here’s the summary, with the full stats below:

    The Knicks PGs are second in the East in PER.
    They are second in pts.
    Fourth in assists.
    Fifth in eFG%.
    Third in attempts.
    They are tied with three teams with the fourth most TOs.

    Boston
    FGA, 14.3, eFG% 50.4%, assist 11.4, TO 4.1, pts 15.7, PER 15.8

    Miami
    FGA 13.3, eFG% 50.8, assists 4.7, TO 2.5, pts 16.1, PER 12.1

    Atlanta
    FGA 14.2, eFG % 54.3, assists 6.4, TO 2.6, pts 17.8, PER 14.5

    Bulls
    FGA 23.3, eFG% 47.5, assists 9.4, TOs 4.2, pts 27.3, PER 20.1

    76ers
    FGA 18.5, eFG% 46.7, assists 8.8, TOs 3.7, pts 21.7, PER 16.4

    Wizards
    FGA 18.9, eFG% 44.9, assists 10.6, TOs 4.7, pts 21.6, PER 16.5

    Magic
    FGA 15, eFG% 50.3, assists 9.3, TOs 4.1, pts 17.1, PER 13.5

    Nets
    FGA 18, eFG% 45.5, assists 10.1, TOs 4.5, pts 22.1, PER 16.5

    Bucks
    FGA 19.4, eFG% 46.4, assists 7.8, TOs 3.2, pts 21.7, PER 16.1

    Knicks
    FGA 19.1, eFG% 50.2, assists 10.2, TOs 4.1, pts 23, PER 18.8

    Pacers
    FGA 17.3, eFG% 45.9, assists 8.3, TOs 3.6, pts 19.5, PER 15

    Bobcats
    FGA 15.1, eFG% 48.8, assists 8.1, TOs 2.6, pts 18.6, PER 16.2

    Detroit
    FGA 17.8, eFG% 44.6, assists 7, TOs 3.4, pts 22, PER 16

    Raptors
    FGA 16.4, eFG% 49.3, assists 11.5, TOs 3.9, pts 19.7, PER 17.4

    Cavs
    FGA 18.4, eFG% 44.6, assists 8.4, TOs 3.4, pts 21.4, PER 15.7

  14. Frank O. Post author

    Of course, the Suns play basically the same offense.
    Here’s how they compare:

    Suns
    FGA 17.9, eFG% 52.4, assists 13.4, TOs 5.3, pts 23.9, PER 20.6
    Knicks
    FGA 19.1, eFG% 50.2, assists 10.2, TOs 4.1, pts 23, PER 18.8

    Now, if the Knicks can improve like that, with fewer shots, more efficiency and more assists, I suspect they’d be winning some more games…:)

  15. totti

    Felton is below average at pure playmaking half court.
    To me this is due more to the lack of humility
    than of capability. I think that he could easily do it.

    As for douglas, we all know that he’s a sg with no skills at pg.

    Definitely not the backcourt for a contender.

  16. KnickfaninNJ

    Thank you very much for all the quick info. I’d like a better point guard than one that seems slightly below average for a starter, but it’s better than last year. It’s not going to be easy to get a top tier point guard, but Donnie’s been doing well so far, maybe he can do something at the trade deadline.

  17. Owen

    “Sure would be nice if we could get ANYTHING from Roger Mason, Jr. ANYTHING. ”

    It’s amazing what being a cheap fill in on a great team (spurs) can do for a person’s reputation and wallet. You see this phenomenon all the time, below average players cashing in on a perception of their ability created by great teammates. Call it the Damon Jones effect…

  18. flossy

    Yeah, Felton and Douglas are not efficient scorers but it says something about their other qualities, particularly Felton’s, that they are collectively running the seventh best offense in the NBA, pace adjusted. One could argue that offensive efficiency is not our biggest problem.

    In any case I can live with Felton not being the most efficient scorer since he’s very fast, tough, plays above-average defense and is very effective in transition. I think he is playing too many minutes and through too many injuries to be fully effective, but I still like what he brings to the table. And stats-wise , 8.3 ast/36 and an AST% of 36 (both career highs) would indicate that he and this system agree with each other fairly well. But since PG play is the most important factor in this offense, I do think addressing our inefficiency there will do more for the team than adding an inefficient SF to our platoon of efficient wing players (or replacing the former for the latter, if we’re not lucky).

    Here’s a crazy thought experiment:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4zwtawb

    Curry and Toney Douglas to Toronto for Jose Calderon and Reggie Evans. I wouldn’t pull the trigger just because it probably closes the door on 2012 free agents, but in the short term I would rather spend my “Melo money” on a solution like this. Sure, Calderon plays no defense but he’d keep Felton fresh enough to allow him to consistently be 100% aggressive and attacking, and when Felton’s not on the floor, the offense is in great hands (arguably better than Felton’s, actually…). Calderon is a great shooter and excellent passer. Even considering his D issues I’d rather have him playing 25-30 minutes off the bench at the 1 and 2 than Toney Douglas. He would probably improve our offense as much as adding Melo, and the fact that we also get a guy who averages 12.7 rebs/36 and don’t give up Gallo, Chandler or Fields makes it even better. Just crazy enough to work?

  19. flossy

    I should mention that in my above crazy idea, Toronto does this deal because they are already terrible and paying Calderon $9m/year for another 3 years is pointless when they should be tanking for high draft picks. Though I love the guy, I’d say that making Toney Douglas their starting PG would be a good step down that road.

  20. daJudge

    Great post Frank O. I hate doing this, but please bear with me. As a premise, I love Fields and I really like Felton. Fields demonstrates intelligence, athleticism, attitude, pedigree, and more. Think 1969-70 Knick. Nevertheless, IMO, maybe he’s not really a 2. This has bothered me for awhile. Maybe he’s a 3. Perhaps the fact that the cat (cool) is penciled in a as ‘shooting guard’ creates a situation where the point guards shoot too much and have too many opportunities. Those opportunities probably would not present themselves with a more traditional 2. Clearly Fields takes far less shots than a typical 2 and his shooting is not really his strength. Maybe Landry is a 6th man and the Knicks need a 2 that can shoot. Just a thought. Add this—In this system, there is a pressure to shoot. I think Felton’s role as dictated by this team and this particular system is a hybrid/combo. My observations also indicate that Felton is only a decent passer, a decent decision maker, but certainly not a great one. I do respect Felton as a player, because he brings it and is tough. The toughness of Ray Ray should not be minimized, but that doesn’t mean he should be green lighted to shoot inefficiently. As an aside, Amare should not be green lighted to drive into traffic so often. I think TDDWTDD is similar in some ways. He is a very poor passer, but is rugged and is a gamer. Having said all this, I agree with the essential point of the post, less shots from the ONE, more passing. I’m not a Gallo lover, but I also agree with the implication—-the dude needs more touches and opportunities.

  21. nicos

    I think part of the issue is also that all of the Knicks wings are very poor playmakers- Fields is tops at an anemic 2.1 assists per 36, with both Gallo & Chandler both at 1.7. Part of this is certainly the system but none of them have proved adept at running the P & R, they almost never throw skip passes, they’re all content just to move the ball around the perimeter rather than attacking with the pass. And all three are head down drivers more often than not- Gallo’s putting on the floor a ton since he came back form the injury but it’s not translating into any assists. This means the team is overly dependent on Felton to run sets, meaning the ball has to be in his hands a ton, meaning a ton of opportunities to hoist up shots. This, of course, doesn’t mean he should be shooting as often as he does.

  22. Spree8nyk8

    Frank O.:The Knicks PGs are second in the East in PER.
    They are second in pts.
    Fourth in assists.
    Fifth in eFG%.
    Third in attempts.
      

    Sounds like a good job imo. But hey anything to whine about should be whined about.

  23. ess-dog

    Spree8nyk8:
    Sounds like a good job imo.But hey anything to whine about should be whined about.  

    These stats mean very little since they are not adjusted for pace. only eFG is something to hang your hat on. The fact that Gallo, WC, Stat and basically everybody except Turiaf are below average playmakers for their position probably puts a lot of pressure on Ray to always handle the ball. Maybe Moz can chip in there a little as well? Wishful thinking, I know.
    Despite his drawbacks, one useful aspect of Melo is that his assist% is double that of Gallo’s or WC’s so he could take some of the burden to make plays away from Ray.
    Just sayin’.

  24. David Crockett

    Owen: It’s amazing what being a cheap fill in on a great team (spurs) can do for a person’s reputation and wallet. You see this phenomenon all the time, below average players cashing in on a perception of their ability created by great teammates. Call it the Damon Jones effect…  

    Thing is, I always “hated” Roger Mason. (I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all…) I thought he was over-regarded even in college. But even I did not think he would be utterly worthless.

  25. David Crockett

    The simplest response–a backup point to push or replace Douglas–is unfortunately seems like the most difficult one to implement. Ideally, Mason’s expiring deal could be moved for someone’s backup but a low salary move like this is hard to do during the season.

  26. Spree8nyk8

    All I’m saying is that if going into this season you would have told me that our pg’s would be ranked like that I’m pretty sure most of the people here would have said “sweet” and been very happy with it. The bottom line is that we can have someone right an article on every single positions deficiency and they’ll be plenty of articles. I think we have a good team nucleus and over time it will get stronger. We have a team with enough heart to be able to rise to the occasion and play with teams that are superior to us (at this point). But that same team has deficiencies and they will lose together also.

    This season we’ve all watched the entire board be overly happy and overly sad with every individual player on the team. But overall I’d say most are happy with the development of the team. I do wish we had a melo type player for the times when our offense seems to fall apart, someone that could at least stem the tide for a little bit, but hey, right now he’s not on this team. So be it. Idk, I think trying to point at individual weaknesses right now is for the most part a waste of time. The bigger flaws we have right now are team flaws. Our rebounding strategies seem rather non existent, that should be the first and foremost of most discussions I would think. Because at least to me it seems like where we are getting killed are tons of situations where two or more knicks go after the same ball and nobody gets it. Or theres more than one Knick in an area with only one opposing player and nobody properly boxes out. This is the thing I’d most love to change about this team. As far as things go with Felton. I think that some of the movement that we had in our offense has become stale and it’s leaving him less options. And when you take away options from a player, shooting is going to become a far more attractive option. The guy is getting 9 dimes a game. It’s not like he doesn’t wanna pass it.

  27. BigBlueAL

    Bobcats lost tonight at home to Dallas, Milwaukee currently getting smoked at home by 14 to the Pistons with 5 minutes left in the game.

    Knicks could lose every game for the rest of the season and still make the playoffs lol.

  28. Mike Kurylo

    David Crockett: Thing is, I always “hated” Roger Mason. (I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all…) I thought he was over-regarded even in college. But even I did not think he would be utterly worthless.

    One of the nicest guys at media day. Really intelligent and down to earth.

  29. jon abbey

    from Twitter:

    Chris_Broussard

    Knicks, Nuggets, Twolves discussing 3-team trade. Melo to NYK; Chandler, Corey Brewer, Minny 1st rnd pick to Den; ECurry, ARandolph to Minny

  30. Z-man

    daJudge: Great post Frank O.I hate doing this, but please bear with me. As a premise, I love Fields and I really like Felton.Fields demonstrates intelligence, athleticism, attitude, pedigree, and more. Think 1969-70 Knick.Nevertheless, IMO, maybe he’s not really a 2.This has bothered me for awhile.Maybe he’s a 3.Perhaps the fact that the cat (cool) is penciled in a as ‘shooting guard’ creates a situation where the point guards shoot too much and have too many opportunities.Those opportunities probably would not present themselves with a more traditional 2. Clearly Fields takes far less shots than a typical 2 and his shooting is not really his strength..  

    This part is logical, although I don’t concur with the rest of the post. You can afford a more deferential 2 if you are getting volume scoring elsewhere. The problem is that we have “lost” Chandler as an efficient volume scorer, at least temporarily, and no one has really made up for his scoring. Can Fields step up and shoot more without his efficiency going down? Maybe next year, but probably not now.

  31. John Kenney

    Thank God Minnesota’s underneath the salary cap to make the math work. Only giving up Chandler and Randolph would all things considered be a fantastic trade on our side.

  32. John Kenney

    Sorry to post so many times in a row— I think that, apart from the ramifications as a Knicks fan of getting Melo, I’m really interested to see which side of the volume vs efficiency debate it ends up supporting. If we take off and start winning like crazy, I think it would be quite supportive of Hollinger et al versus Berry.

  33. latke

    John Kenney: Thank God Minnesota’s underneath the salary cap to make the math work. Only giving up Chandler and Randolph would all things considered be a fantastic trade on our side.  

    The part to growl about:

    Since Anthony’s preference to play for New York is known, there is some sentiment within the Knicks organization to hold off on trading for him and wait until he becomes a free agent this summer. Such a move would enable them to keep their young assets.

    But owner James Dolan has been pressing team president Donnie Walsh to trade for Anthony before the deadline, according to sources.

    this seems like the real deal to me, and I think it will happen. The article says sometime next week. I think ‘melo will be better than people expect and we’ll be a nice 2nd round playoff team this year. The key to me is that you’ll get Paul pressuring for a trade to NY. That will be the story starting at the end of free agency this summer until it happens (and don’t doubt that it will happen).

  34. Z

    Owen: It’s amazing what being a cheap fill in on a great team (spurs) can do for a person’s reputation and wallet. You see this phenomenon all the time, below average players cashing in on a perception of their ability created by great teammates. Call it the Damon Jones effect…  

    RM jr. isn’t exactly cashing in. He’s playing for the league minimum on a one year contract. Was one of the last FA to sign on this summer too.

  35. Brian Cronin

    Seriously, what the heck kind of a trade is that? Is that seriously going to be it? That? After all this BS and nonsense, that’s the trade?

    AR and Chandler?

    I mean, don’t get me wrong, I totally think it is a fair trade (I’ve always been “so long as it is only 1 of the 3, I’m cool with it,” but what the heck, media? WC, Fields, AR and Curry is a “lowball” offer and yet it’s going to get done for less than that? How far did all of these people fall on their face with their prognostication of this deal?

  36. massive

    Melo should excel in Wilson Chandler’s stretch-4 position. He’d at least be an upgrade in our system.

  37. itztiz

    Part of me thinks TD and Raymond are getting all the shots they can before Melo comes to town but they aren’t really bad when you look at the leagues guards.

    A year ago we had Dudu and Nate. I’d say Felton is above average when it comes to starting Point Guards. We are lucky to have him especially since I remember being excited at the prospect of picking up Ramon Sessions or the aging Jason Kidd at one point.

  38. itztiz

    massive: Melo should excel in Wilson Chandler’s stretch-4 position. He’d at least be an upgrade in our system.  

    Put Gallo on the bench hes the perfect 6th man.

  39. massive

    itztiz:
    Put Gallo on the bench hes the perfect 6th man.  

    I’m sorry, but Gallo doesn’t belong on the bench. He’s leading the team in WS/48, he’s 2nd on the team in TS% (behind Turiaf so he’s surpassed the ever-so-efficient Landry Fields), has the league’s 5th highest offensive rating, and the 6th lowest TOV% in the league. That’s a player who doesn’t belong on the bench.

  40. BigBlueAL

    If this miracle trade does happen, how about Gallo as the SG and Fields to the bench?? Melo-Amar’e-Mozgov frontcourt??

  41. GHenman

    If the trade happens, I’d start Mozgov and make Gallo the sixth man. He would still get plenty of minutes coming off the bench.

  42. massive

    BigBlueAL: If this miracle trade does happen, how about Gallo as the SG and Fields to the bench??Melo-Amar’e-Mozgov frontcourt??  

    I would rather see how Melo operates at the stretch 4. Melo on the wing gives him a reason to chuck up long, contested 2s and 3 pointers.

  43. GHenman

    BigBlueAL: If this miracle trade does happen, how about Gallo as the SG and Fields to the bench?? Melo-Amar’e-Mozgov frontcourt??  (Quote)

    I think he’s way to slow to play guard.

  44. BigBlueAL

    BTW I agree that Melo should/will play the 4 if they get him just speculating.

    I know many here will still kill the trade because of the money Melo will be getting paid but man a starting lineup of Felton-Fields-Gallo-Melo-Amar’e could be scary offensively. I know, I know many will say all it is is switching Chandler for Melo whats the difference but tell that to the opposing coaches.

  45. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, I’d prefer to just keep the lineup as is, just with Melo taking over for WC. Really, the team would be the same except that the Unit would now have Melo as the scorer, so it would no longer be an issue (well, at least that would be the hope).

    Melo is obviously an upgrade over WC, and since AR wasn’t playing anyways, this would basically just be a notable upgrade at WC’s spot.

  46. BigBlueAL

    With Amar’e-Melo-Felton on the floor Gallo will be wide open on every possession but he may still never see the ball lol.

    Actually check that, Fields will be wide open on every possession and could average 10 offensive rebs per game since he would have a free lane to crash for offensive rebs all game long lol.

  47. jon abbey

    latke:
    The part to growl about:
    this seems like the real deal to me, and I think it will happen. The article says sometime next week. I think ‘melo will be better than people expect and we’ll be a nice 2nd round playoff team this year. The key to me is that you’ll get Paul pressuring for a trade to NY. That will be the story starting at the end of free agency this summer until it happens (and don’t doubt that it will happen).  

    I definitely agree with the Paul part, although no idea where the money to sign him will be coming from.

    but a second round team this year? you think Melo instead of Chandler will let us beat Chicago or Orlando? not sure I see that.

  48. itztiz

    I don’t know about Carmelo Anthony guarding power forwards. I’d let Mozgov start and have Gallo be that versatile spark off the bench, He’d murder teams 2nd units, I don’t know how you guys don’t see it.

  49. daJudge

    If we get Mello, it will be really interesting to see how shot selection/distribution plays out. Among many other things, maybe he solves the Felton chucker issue. Melo becomes 1 or 1(A). Anyway, this was a nice thing to wake up to this a.m. If the report is accurate, I would be very pleased. Chandler played very well for us and AR never had a shot. At least AR will be better off on another team. itzitz: I understand the merit of Gallo off the bench, but I think he should start. I’d like to see him continue to improve his game—he’s a starter with a very high ceiling. I think Fields would thrive as a sixth man and would get plenty of minutes.

  50. Frank O. Post author

    Brian Cronin: Seriously, what the heck kind of a trade is that? Is that seriously going to be it? That? After all this BS and nonsense, that’s the trade?
    AR and Chandler?
    I mean, don’t get me wrong, I totally think it is a fair trade (I’ve always been “so long as it is only 1 of the 3, I’m cool with it,” but what the heck, media? WC, Fields, AR and Curry is a “lowball” offer and yet it’s going to get done for less than that? How far did all of these people fall on their face with their prognostication of this deal?  

    I had the same reaction.

  51. Frank O. Post author

    ess-dog:
    These stats mean very little since they are not adjusted for pace.only eFG is something to hang your hat on.The fact that Gallo, WC, Stat and basically everybody except Turiaf are below average playmakers for their position probably puts a lot of pressure on Ray to always handle the ball.Maybe Moz can chip in there a little as well?Wishful thinking, I know.
    Despite his drawbacks, one useful aspect of Melo is that his assist% is double that of Gallo’s or WC’s so he could take some of the burden to make plays away from Ray.
    Just sayin’.  

    Agreed. As I noted earlier, pace is the bigger issue

  52. Frank O. Post author

    Honestly, this may be weird but if they get Carmelo, D’Antoni always gets his best players on the floor.
    I think he runs it like this:
    C Mosgov
    PF Amare
    SF Carmelo
    SG Gallo
    PG Felton.

    Gallo would cause huge mismatch problem, and we know how D’Antoni feels about that.
    You realize how many guard Gallo could shoot over?
    I realize he would have trouble guarding some 2s, but I think Gallo would out produce most of them.
    Landry would be the sixth man.

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