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Saturday, August 23, 2014

Knicks pick up Chauncey’s option

The good news is that the Knicks know who their point guard will be in 2011-12. The better news is it’s also looking like Donnie Walsh will be in New York for at least two more years, although nothing official has been released.

The bad news is that no less than six K-Bloggers put in a good amount of muscle analyzing the ins and outs, pros and cons of the Chauncey decision, which was going to be posted tonight. Instead, we’ve included a sort of Greatest Hits from the Chauncey analysis we had going before today’s announcement.

Also, stay tuned for a series of discussion points regarding the plethora of decisions the Knicks have in front of them heading into next season. We should have our first installment up by Friday.

Mike Kurylo: I’m torn on the issue. From my understanding there would have been a penalty for choosing not to re-sign Chauncey Billups. If the Knicks hadn’t picked up his contract for next year, he would have been on the books for his guaranteed $3.7M. Hence New York would only have saved about $10.5M. For 2012, the Knicks have 6 contracts, 1 player option (Turiaf), and 1 other team option (Walker), which leaves 7 roster spots open. Considering they’ll probably resign Shawne, and some other guys (Jeffries?, Carter?, Jerome Jordan?, draft picks?) there isn’t a lot of money leftover to grab a big free agent.

The unknowns of releasing Billups outweigh the unknowns of keeping him, so this is the safer choice. But that doesn’t mean it’s the right choice. Does he really fit this team? Not really. Can New York move his contract for yet another disgruntled superstar? Unlikely. Wouldn’t it be great to know what the new CBA holds before making this decision? Yes, but it ain’t gonna happen. A great team might find the right player to fit the $10M that New York is going to pay Billups over the next season. But the rest of the league else would probably blow it on a multi-year deal for some unworthy player.

Max Fisher-Cohen: Billups is a good player, but he’s old, and his game does not mesh well with the style the Knicks need to play in order to be a better team when Amaré and ‘Melo share the floor.

Perhaps part of this is that old habits die hard. Denver’s offense was centered around ‘Melo isolations, and Chauncey was a part of that. Maybe training camp will transform him into a pick and roll ninja. Maybe the reason he has struggled in the pick and roll has more to do with the diminished offensive weaponry the Knicks have.

Too many maybes for me…

Jim Cavan: During Billups’ six years in Detroit, the team netted an average pace of 87.2, finishing in the bottom five all five years. Four times they had the absolute slowest pace. Based largely on his tenure in the Motor City, many think Billups is entering a world he’s neither known nor seen in SSOL. Sure, the Nuggets finished with the 6th, 5th, and 2nd fastest pace in the league in their three years with Chauncey at the helm. But SSOL is a breed apart – a much more intricate and split-second dependent system than anything he saw in Denver.

The question isn’t whether Chauncey Billups is smart or talented enough to learn the system. Clearly he is. Rather, the question is whether a 35-year old Chauncey Billups can handle an entire season of SSOL without the kind of injuries that hampered him throughout this last stretch.

Robert Silverman: One thing I think everyone would conclude from the broom-fest with the hated Celts (I don’t think I’ve ever loathed two teams in the playoffs as much as the upcoming Boston-Miami tilt. Can I root for an airborne, radically contagious, Ebola-like flesh-eating virus to consume them both?) is that the ‘Bockers are more than one player away from contention. There are holes at Center, on the bench, and in the backcourt. If they kick Chauncey to the curb, it leaves about 8 million to spend this off-season, meaning, basically they can fill one of those holes, but not all of them. Considering the free agent PG’s that are out there — Andre Miller, T.J. Ford, etc — re-upping Chauncey’s a no-brainer.

David Crockett: This is one of those situations where the market really does not provide many good options. All things considered, Billups is the best of a set of high risk options. Regardless, New York will need to be in the backup point guard market this summer.

Thomas B.:  If we were looking at a much better free agency class, I might lament the loss of cap space, but with this class I’d rather stand pat and explore trading for better players, which might work really well if Kevin Pritchard is calling the shots [Ed. note: Looks like he won't be].  The expiring deals of Billups and Turiaf might be great trade chips depending on the new CBA. I agree with Mike that it is unlikely that Billups will be part of a trade for a disgruntled star, but finding a better point on a one year deal seems just as unlikely to me.  Letting Billups walk might have meant signing a point to a longer term deal. I’d rather not add longer contracts this year, that reduce the nearly 21 million set to expire June 30, 2012.  While they have not improved at the point, they have not hurt their options for off season trades or free agent offers come July 2012.

John Kenney: The news that the Knicks will not waive Chauncey Billups should not come as a surprise. For the numerous reasons mentioned, including maintaining cap flexibility entering the offseason of 2012 and the lack of other suitable options at PG, keeping Chauncey was in the best interests of the team. What I’m most interested to see is how Chauncey can do in SSOL with a training camp/season to play in it. If he can adapt, Knicks fans will be quite happy they didn’t abandon his 3pt shooting, just so we could set the price that the Grizzlies and the Clippers would pay to Marc Gasol and DeAndre Jordan.

121 comments on “Knicks pick up Chauncey’s option

  1. New Guy

    I have intercepted a memo that contains Donnie Walsh’s plan to build a championship team.

    Step 1: pray to every known god that Dwight Howard and either Chris Paul or Deron Williams makes it to free agency.

    Step 2: trade Amar’e Stoudemire to a dumb GM whose team has cap space for draft picks and a nice role player.

    Step 3: Sign Dwight Howard with the cap space created from trading Amar’e.

    Step 4: sign Paul or Williams from the cap space created from letting Billups contract expire.

    Step 5: put pieces around a 3-man core of Paul/Williams, Melo, Howard.

    That’s why I’m OK with picking up Billups’ option :)

  2. Frank

    Should we hope the MLE still exists in the new CBA, so we can throw the whole thing on a 1 year deal for Nazr or someone like Jeff Foster?

  3. Frank

    Or how about this 2012 plan. Forget CP3. Forget Howard.

    Give Nash a 1-2 year deal at $5M per.
    Throw the rest of the cap at Javale McGee and hope the Wiz don’t match.
    Pray for good PG drafts.

    Nash, nameless SG, Melo, Amare, McGee — that would be a fun team to watch.

  4. stratomatic

    It might technically be the correct move to make because we wouldn’t save the full amount of his contract if we let him go, there are no other better PG options available, and we can always trade him as an expiring contract, but to me it’s a terrible value and he’s not even a good fit for SSOL. In fact, he’s a terrible fit.

    I’ve always loved Billups and think he’s a very good PG and upgrade over Felton, but he is not a long or short term solution to the style of play we need to maximize the talents of our coach, Amare, or Fields. He fits with Melo, but the goal should be to get Melo to fit with the Knicks and not allow Melo and Billups to change the Knicks into something they can’t be with this coach and other players.

    Billups cannot run and is not a great playmaker. What he is is a good floor general and very efficient scorer. Those are great qualities to have, but we need them from a PG than can run, make plays, work the P&R with Amare.

  5. Frank

    @4 – it should be noted that a lot of people didn’t think Felton could run SSOL either. They thought he was a bad PnR point guard. He turned out at least a little better than ok in terms of running it.

    I don’t think we can underestimate how different SSOL was from Denver’s or Detroit’s systems. Denver’s system might be fast paced, but if people who know basketball can be believed, the responsibilites of the PGs are totally different. Chauncey himself said it was like a completely different language. This system has overall been a PG-friendly system, so I have high hopes that he will run it a little more like it is supposed to be run once he gets through a real training camp.

  6. latke

    Yes, Billups and Stoudemire are incompatible IMO. The thing is, Billups contract gives us the best chance at picking up a guy who IS compatible with STAT.

  7. cgreene

    Too many unknown variables to not resign him. It was the only move IMO. There will be a title contender willing to take him at the deadline and give us real assets or we will turn him into CP3 with Fields, TD and our #1 or we will let him come off the books and have max $ in ’12. Until then we just got the best FA PG on the market even though he’s old. Need a backup PG and a young big who can rebound and we will win 50 next year and take another step.

  8. tenebrous

    I’d rather trade melo than stat. Sorry. Melo for nene, Galo, WC, Felton and Mozzy. If Stat is traded I’m backing against the Knicks.

  9. d-mar

    “I don’t think I’ve ever loathed two teams in the playoffs as much as the upcoming Boston-Miami tilt. Can I root for an airborne, radically contagious, Ebola-like flesh-eating virus to consume them both”

    Robert, couldn’t agree more. At the beginning of the season, I said I would root for anyone to beat Miami (Al Qaeda, Qadaffi, anyone) but after watching the Celts beat up on us with those oh-so-smug looks on their faces, and getting crap from my friends in Beantown, I may actually have to root for the Heat and pray they lose in a later round.

  10. tenebrous

    d-mar:
    “I don’t think I’ve ever loathed two teams in the playoffs as much as the upcoming Boston-Miami tilt. Can I root for an airborne, radically contagious, Ebola-like flesh-eating virus to consume them both”

    Robert, couldn’t agree more. At the beginning of the season, I said I would root for anyone to beat Miami (Al Qaeda, Qadaffi, anyone) but after watching the Celts beat up on us with those oh-so-smug looks on their faces, and getting crap from my friends in Beantown, I may actually have to root for the Heat and pray they lose in a later round.

    What did you do when those beantown friends crapper on you??? What did you say???

  11. Jim Cavan Post author

    latke:
    Yes, Billups and Stoudemire are incompatible IMO. The thing is, Billups contract gives us the best chance at picking up a guy who IS compatible with STAT.

    That’s exactly right. We just have to hope Billups is able to share the wealth and involve Amar’e and not just continually go to Melo as a security blanket. I know it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but if any old dog can do it, I think it’s Billups.

  12. Frank

    A good point which is making its way around Twitter right now is that there is no guarantee that CP3, D-Will, or Howard take their ETO – especially Howard, who makes nearly $20M in 2012-13 (CP3 and DWill make 17.7M). What if the max salary is $14M and the max length is 4 years instead of 6? Makes it much less advantageous to throw away that $6M. Or maybe Orlando wins the title this year and Howard re-ups. Or other teams swoop in with sign-and-trades that will be far better than our Fields+ TD +Billups pupu platter.

  13. BigBlueAL

    d-mar:
    “I don’t think I’ve ever loathed two teams in the playoffs as much as the upcoming Boston-Miami tilt. Can I root for an airborne, radically contagious, Ebola-like flesh-eating virus to consume them both”

    Robert, couldn’t agree more. At the beginning of the season, I said I would root for anyone to beat Miami (Al Qaeda, Qadaffi, anyone) but after watching the Celts beat up on us with those oh-so-smug looks on their faces, and getting crap from my friends in Beantown, I may actually have to root for the Heat and pray they lose in a later round.

    Unfortunately the way I look at it this is the NBA Finals. I think the winner of the Heat-Celtics series will win it all. Although if the Lakers make it back to the NBA Finals then it is a toss-up.

  14. tenebrous

    cgreene:
    Too many unknown variables to not resign him.It was the only move IMO.There will be a title contender willing to take him at the deadline and give us real assets or we will turn him into CP3 with Fields, TD and our #1 or we will let him come off the books and have max $ in ’12.Until then we just got the best FA PG on the market even though he’s old.Need a backup PG and a young big who can rebound and we will win 50 next year and take another step.

    Only if stat and melo play on opposite sides of the court. Also, cb seemed unwilling to play pnr with stat a la Felton. I couldn’t believe he wouldn’t. Is pnr not good? Does cb know something that I don’t? How did he win his championship with pnr or not? Cb might actually become player coach while MDA wisks his mustache.

  15. d-mar

    BigBlueAL: Unfortunately the way I look at it this is the NBA Finals.I think the winner of the Heat-Celtics series will win it all.Although if the Lakers make it back to the NBA Finals then it is a toss-up.

    The only thing I can compare it to is the 1986 World Series, Mets vs. Red Sox; as a Yankee fan, it was a total no-win situation.

  16. nicos

    With Billups coming back now the onus is on D’A (provided he’s back as well) to tweak- if not overhaul- his system to try to maximize the big three. While Billups’ skill set isn’t perfect for SSOL, I do think he’ll be a lot more comfortable running it after a full training camp (and the fact that he does have a real skill set- unlike most of the other options at point- is a plus). Hopefully both Billups and Melo will be willing and able to play with more pace and ball movement and D’A will come up with some half court sets beyond the P & R to take advantage of their strengths. To me, it’s now on D’A to show he can do than SSOL.

  17. ess-dog

    Chauncey’s still a hell of a player. 18.7 PER and .166 WS48 is very good. If we want to play faster, we can have TD run the break as the 1 and put Billups at the 2 for more shooting, put Stat at center and Shawne or Brown or whoever at the 4. Or we can always play halfcourt iso ball.

  18. woolygator3

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/chandler_may_come_back_too_r5UWciBE1HoeDbA5CoNlXK
    Just read this about the possibility of Wilson Chandler returning this summer along with chauncey’s resigning. I suppose in a way it would make me feel a lot better about the melo trade, essentially only giving up gallo, Felton and moz for chauncey and melo which does seem a lot easier to deal with. I hope he does because he could very well be the versatile wing defender we need to pair with melo due to the evident need for someone to fill that role.

  19. tenebrous

    woolygator3:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/chandler_may_come_back_too_r5UWciBE1HoeDbA5CoNlXK
    Just read this about the possibility of Wilson Chandler returning this summer along with chauncey’s resigning. I suppose in a way it would make me feel a lot better about the melo trade, essentially only giving up gallo, Felton and moz for chauncey and melo which does seem a lot easier to deal with. I hope he does because he could very well be the versatile wing defender we need to pair with melo due to the evident need for someone to fill that role.

    I second that.

  20. John Kenney

    Are you both in favor if it involves trading landry, as the author suggests? although i’m not sure how that would work since chandler’s salary will be much larger than landrys

  21. woolygator3

    You are right about that but on balance yes I guess I would. Probably because of his recent play since the melo aquisition renders him somewhat redundant. However I would like to have a chance to see if melo can adapt more to ssol which would hopefully integrate fields more. But yeah, I feel chandler’s skillset compliments this team as currently constructed better than fields is doing now.

  22. taggart4800

    I know I am likely to be wrong but I feel Billups is more than capable of running this system. Although Nash is probably quicker and better conditioned, I would contest that he is so by only small margins. They are ultimately a ‘push’ in measures of athleticism however it is the disparity in passing vision that is going to be the key to Billups success. To me he has proven that using his IQ and strong physique he is able to get to the rim and is renowned for being able to hit the 3. Those attributes combined should make him a very effective SSOL PG. If the defense crowds Amare he can take it to the hoop or score but he must be able to find Amare with the roll to the basket, which on a few occasions he has done fairly well in the limited time they have had together.
    For me the key is to find pieces that fit around Melo when Amare and Billups are sat. This strategy will also have to be implementing even if CP3 is acquired as his dodgy knees will need rest.
    Melo needs to put serious work into his body to play heavy minutes and Donnie needs to find pieces of a scoring or lockdown defensive nature to put with him to form a second unit.
    I would also like to see D’Antoni move towards a more SSOL/Triangle offense Hybrid. Running the pick and roll at the right and left wing with Melo as the off man and Fields and say Shawne on the weakside. If the play breaks down there is then easy opportunities to get Melo the ball with a screen handoff play for the Iso or the Wing 3 which would also put Billups in the corner for when the defense collapses. We have a similar make up to the Lakers atm although Billups is far superior to Fischer and a far better shooter as is Douglas.

    Main Unit :- Turiaf/Williams, Amare, Melo, Fields, Billups/Douglas

    I would like to see a long athletic 2nd unit and more DBrown although he probably wont be retained and perhaps letting Melo bring the ball up without a true pg for stretches.

    Jeffries, Williams, DBrown/Melo, Balkman/Walker,…

  23. Jake S.

    Do we know how Jerome Jordan performed in Europe? I’m hoping that four years in college and a year of pro ball means he’ll be able to make a more immediate impact than your average rookie. Or he could be a total stiff. Either way.

  24. Brian Cronin

    I’d like to think Billups could learn SSOL, as well (and I find it extremely hard to believe a player with a basketball IQ like Billups could not learn it), but I think it is a pretty bad sign that in 21 games as a Knick, he wasn’t yet even attempting it by the end of the season.

    Felton took awhile, as well, but 15 games in he was clearly catching on to it, and as I allude to above, I find it hard to believe that Felton is a faster learner than Billups. And that worries me.

    My hope, though, is that D’Antoni told Billups not to even try until training camp, which is possible, I presume.

  25. dsulz

    Fields is toast with Chauncy and Melo. Neither of them have the court vision to take advantage of his cutting abilities, or push the ball and take advantage of his ability to run the court. Maybe Fields improves his shooting in the offseason. It was really dumb to trade Felton. The guy had his problems, but he was definitely above getting him for $7M/year was a total steal. The only thing that would make this mediocre hodgepodge of a team any better is for Walsh to let D’Antoni go and replace him with JEFF VAN GUNDY. He could make these piece work, I think.

  26. woolygator3

    @27
    Just checked out his stats, 73.5 FG%! Thats crazy, just wonder if he’d be able to keep it up when he comes over. Wonder why he’s only playing 15 mpg though?

  27. flossy

    I was shocked to see when I looked it up just now that Chauncey’s TS% with the Knicks to date has been .582 right at his career average of .581. I would have bet money it was < .540. I know the sample size is small and he had a game or two where he shot a freakish number of free throws, but jeez. It's hard to reconcile that kind off statistical efficiency with the awkward brick-fests I watched him perpetrate.

  28. Jim Cavan Post author

    woolygator3:
    @27
    Just checked out his stats, 73.5 FG%! Thats crazy, just wonder if he’d be able to keep it up when he comes over. Wonder why he’s only playing 15 mpg though?

    That’s a good question. I’ve wondered lately, how much control do teams have over players whose rights they own currently playing overseas? Can they dictate their playing time, or even make suggestions? Either way, that’s a pretty gawdy stat, even if it is in the Adriatic League.

  29. SeeWhyDee77

    Yup. i’m still against bringing Billups back. But thas not to say it’s all negative. On intangibles alone he brings alot to the table that the team needs. It’s obvious that he’s not a great fit offensively, other than his shooting. It’s also clear, to me at least, that this move is all about his expiring deal. Unfortunately, the only PG worth that much money that we could theoretically trade him for is CP3. Which-by the Hornet’s showing this season- is gonna be HARD to swing. All the other candidates I can see Walsh targeting all shoot too much for my liking, now that we have Melo. Parker, Williams..I don’t know who else. Billups will prove valuable, but even with Stat and Melo taking tons of shots, this offense is much more effective when it is fluid. I can live with Melo’s strength bein iso’s, but not Billups. 2 players who excel in iso’s will bog the offense down. Billups is effective in the p&r, though. But honestly, if we’re gonna have a scorer at the point- i’d rather have Lou Williams..becuz he can penetrate an dish far more consistently than Billups. I wonder if Walsh will consider tryin 2 re-acquire Felton. The only way I see CP3 comin along is via free agency, but do we really wanna end up like Miami. All the money thrown into 3 stars, and only hope to get meaningful role players for the scraps thas left? I have to think Walsh has a plan to build a more solid all around team as opposed to relying on basically 3 players. But I digress lol. I’m not competely unhappy with bringin Billups back. He’s a very good player. I jus would like to see the team go another direction at the point. Remember, for those who still clamor for Rubio, he can be had for cheap if Minny lands the top pick. He hasn’t played in the league yet and u KNOW they’re gonna pick Irving. Both Rubio and Flynn can be had 4 cheap.

  30. SeeWhyDee77

    Some of u may notice that I made no comment on Billups’ defense. I don’t buy for one minute that Billups can’t play tough D. Sure, he’s a lil slow afoot..always has been. BUT HE QUARTERBACKED BROWN’S PISTONS TO LATE POSTSEASON APPEARANCES REPEATEDLY FOR PETE’S SAKE!! lol..he can play D..Brown was just the only coach to hold him to it.

  31. Jim Cavan Post author

    SeeWhyDee77: do we really wanna end up like Miami. All the money thrown into 3 stars, and only hope to get meaningful role players for the scraps thas left?

    If we get Chris Paul or Deron Williams, I’d run with Eric Snow and Shawne Bradley rounding out the starting five…. No, not really. But I think the free agent market that summer could be stronger than the scrap heap the Heat were picking through.

    To wit: Mehmet Okur, Vince Carter, Carlos Delfino, Kirk Hinrich, Jermaine O’Neal, DeSagana Diop, Keith Bogans, and Dahntay Jones are a few names that I speculate might be interested in signing for low deals to play with our Big Three. And considering there are few players — if any — that guys would want to play with more than CP3, that list might get bigger.

    Obviously this is pure speculation, based on their salaries today and the notion that they certainly won’t be getting anything better on their next deal. But that’s not total flotsam. Say what you will about the merits of the Big Three approach (however you want to define it), but I’d take CP3, Melo and Stat over any incarnation we’ve seen so far.

  32. latke

    Yes, Jerome Jordan played quite well in limited minutes in Europe. I’m sure he’ll get a chance this summer.

    With regard to Fields, trading him this summer is a mistake IMO. Sure, if a great deal comes out of nowhere, you go for it, but otherwise we’re selling low. His numbers after the trade were a lot worse, but still pretty solid:

    with carmelo: 9 points, 5 rebounds, 45% FG%, 38% on threes, TS% of 56.4%

    before carmelo: 10 points, 7 rebounds, 52% FG%, 40% on threes, TS% of 67%
    The points and rebounds are lower partly because he played fewer minutes.

  33. SeeWhyDee77

    Jim Cavan: Say what you will about the merits of the Big Three approach (however you want to define it), but I’d take CP3, Melo and Stat over any incarnation we’ve seen so far.

    I agree becuz CP3 doesn’t hafta score to dominate and control a game. But I was tryin 2 be as realistic as possible. And I think it’s gonna be VERY hard to land him. I’m pretty sure with CP3 in tow, we can hold on to guys like JJ(both JJ’s), Turiaf, Extra E, DWTDD and Walker/Mason and run the East. O and I forgot Derrick Brown..I think we have to keep him. He’s gonna turn out to be a really good stretch 4 for us- I like him. If there is anyway we could land CP3 without sacrificin too much like we did in the Melo trade..then I say get him yesterday lol.

  34. SeeWhyDee77

    BTW, I really don’t think we need 2 add much more to this team other than a big who can bang around for at least 25 mpg w/o gettin hurt. And a shooter at the back up swing. At first I was a huge fan of Ryan Hollins til I saw his salary an clips of him playin. Now I like this kid Ajinca. He has some touch from 15 feet and he is LONG. Like the strides Ewing used to take across the lane that was borderline travelling lol. At 7’2″ 250, If we could keep him upright, then I’d say he’s definitely worth bein a part of the C rotation. I would even give up Walker for him. Only if Balkman’s included of course. Walker seems alot to use and we may be able to get more for him. But as long as he’s backin up Fields, I think the triumvirate of Mason/Douglas/Rautins can get the job done. Besides we can get a replacement who is a better ballhandler/defender than Walker in the late 1st this year. Scotty Hopson? Hollis Thompson? Austin Freeman? The latter may be 2nd rounders but they fit and i’m not sure where we’d be draftin this year-haven’t been keepin up. I think Freeman and Thompson would be solid additions to the bench behind Fields/Mason/Douglas. I also think that Derrick Brown will have a breakthrough year with a full camp in the system. Center is our biggest problem and losin Walker is worth a shot at fixin it. I am imagining a bench with crazy versatility if we keep Extra E and JJ and D Brown gets PT along with whoever loses the starting C battle if we pick up a decent one, as well as Mason and Douglas. Not quite sure we would have anyone who could step in if a starter goes down and make a great impact for a short run tho. I would also keep Shelden Williams to push guys around in practice and be our physical presence when he does get in the game.

  35. Doug

    @27

    Jerome Jordan started out playing limited minutes off the bench with KK Hemofarm, then played his way into the starting center position.

    That is a good sign to me.

  36. BigBlueAL

    Looked up Z-bo’s stats. He had an amazing season. But wow how bad he has been for most of his career. Advanced stats are not very kind to him before this season at all.

  37. latke

    man, if the spurs pull this one out, it’s all on the officials. They must have given like ten points to san antonio on lame-brain calls.

  38. d-mar

    Wow, the team that wouldn’t die. If the Grizz go down in 7, they’ll re-live those last few seconds of game 5 all summer.

  39. jaredrutledge

    if these announcers keep saying Z-bound instead of rebound i’m going to break my expensive monitor.

  40. dsulz

    Still a pretty impressive series of shots by Spurs in the final seconds. What a game. And yes, Zbo looks awesome.

  41. BigBlueAL

    Nuggets need a 3pter to tie the game in their final possession and Gallo isnt even in the game.

    After picking up his 5th foul with 10 mins left in the game Gallo sits for rest of the game. Nuggets make 3 FG’s in the final 8 mins, 1 FG in final 4 mins (a Martin putback).

    They dont need Melo :-)

  42. Brian Cronin

    The Nuggets are in really nice shape for next year, but wow, it’s crazy to see Gallo end up in possibly a worse situation than he had in New York. He still has the same point guard who wouldn’t give him the ball (remember in Game 1 how Felton looked off Gallo repeatedly in the last 2 minutes?), but now he’s playing on a team with two other three-point shooting 3s and a coach with no coherent substitution pattern outside of “Nene, Felton and Lawson will close out the game.”

    They dont need Melo :-)

    Right, as you so aptly described it, they needed Gallo. Six shots for the guy! Absurdity.

  43. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    The Nuggets are in really nice shape for next year, but wow, it’s crazy to see Gallo end up in possibly a worse situation than he had in New York. He still has the same point guard who wouldn’t give him the ball (remember in Game 1 how Felton looked off Gallo repeatedly in the last 2 minutes?), but now he’s playing on a team with two other three-point shooting 3s and a coach with no coherent substitution pattern outside of “Nene, Felton and Lawson will close out the game.”

    Right, as you so aptly described it, they needed Gallo. Six shots for the guy! Absurdity.

    His foul trouble and being unable at all to defend Durant was a problem tonight though.

    To be honest Gallo showed the same tendencies in Denver he did in NY. Play alot of minutes and be totally invincible. I understand the PG’s need to give him the ball but still. Look at his Game 2, 37 mins with 7pts, 3 rebs and 1 ast. He only played 19 mins in Game 3 and wasnt in foul trouble.

    A team like Denver which has alot of depth at his position doesnt need to force minutes on Gallo like the Knicks did. Of course as we have talked about before the decisions Denver makes this off-season will have a big impact on Gallo and his future minutes/stature on the team.

  44. Brian Cronin

    It’s funny, obviously for the Nuggets, they’re better off keeping him, but for his sake, I almost think he’d be better off playing for a shitty team for a little while. You know, somewhere where he can be the #1 or #2 option. Somewhere where he get dedicated shot attempts. The idea of him getting such few shot attempts is ridiculous. So he’d almost do better playing for a bad team that will give him that consistency. Then after a couple of seasons playing for that team, he can enter free agency as someone who can be added to any team with the knowledge that he will definitely get consistent shots.

  45. tenebrous

    @27, yes Fields is no good with melo. Fields a la Gallo needs to hog the ball but Gallo doesn’t or wont care that Melo is on the floor while Fields does.
    if i’m GM and as of today ill sign: DeAndre Jordan ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnSE4-eqlg ) – nuff said. Lucas Nogueira – Bebe ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-5fJFFzZc ) – young lots of potential – if he’s available at 17 pick. Jerome Jordan ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y2pir6CVkI ) has a hook shot – can anyone say Kareem – not a Kareem hook shot but a hook shot it is and he likes to score – he goes to the basket. Alexis Ajinca ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK2ysUYNY8E ) – just because he’s 7′+ goes to the basket and blocks when he can – no hook shot. Earl Barron ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFholGdH-2k ) quick release – quick decision making in even taking the shot – can learn to shoot the three – if he does hes worth more to me than SW – also a step or two quicker than Jefferies – why we didn’t get him for the POffs have no idea. Would have gotton him and JJ. Would have released Routins or Balkman etc. Barron over SW if barron learns the 3. Probably leave AC (if he takes 100,000 shots over the off season) Mason – sick shooter – needs minutes – play defense. Rest not sure. If DBrown can’t develop a off the dribble move – not sure. We just need crazy size and length. Not sure if Magee is availbe but it would be DeAndre (Beast) Jerome (Hook Shot) Barron (15 ft plus possible 20 ft and 3 point), Lucas (Blocking & can Learn), Ajinca (attacks the rim and blocks), plus Caspi from Kings with Evens or without ( can be a Gallo without the back problem ). Would get rid of TD but would keep him if no other option is available cause he does play D for at least 20 minutes but than again if AC starts shooting better you still have AC and also Mason can at least learn how to bring the ball up. Haven’t looked a pgs yet but this one is pretty good ( http://www.youtube

  46. latke

    ajinca is good. Barron is trash. Jordan is worth a shot and certainly will get an opportunity.

    Nogueira and Faried both would be great, and maybe we could get them both if we can find some way to get a 2nd pick in the early 20s. I think Faried would be an optimal replacement for Jeffries. Nogueira looks raw, but he seems to have great hands and amazing ups. Could develop into a Javale McGee type player (who himself is still far from a finished product). It’d be nice to have a guy who has the potential to be a real impact player rather than just someone to plug a hole. Nogueira is that type of player (and could end up a higher pick for that reason).

    I do think our highest draft pick (assuming we buy one) should go towards a point guard. If we could snag a guy like Eric Maynor, just solid all around, that’d be nice. Reggie Jackson from Boston College seems to be in a similar position to the one Landry Fields was in last year. He plays for a bad team. The DraftExpress profile of him suggests that he is excellent in the pick and roll. He’s also been very effective from distance (42%) and certainly does not lack for athleticism. Right now draftexpress has him going 30th, while nbadraft.net doesn’t even have him in the top 100.

  47. Thomas B.

    Latke,

    What do you think of Kenneth Faried? He makes me think of a larger Balkman. Very active on defense, gets steals and blocks shots. He is as offensively challenged as JJ, but he is a very good rebounder. I don’t think he is a bad pick at 17. Rebounding ability tends to carry over well from the NCAA. The Knicks should at least work him out given how thin we are upfront. Maybe the Knicks can buy the 20th from Minnesota and pick him up there.

    Speaking of the draft. Watching Jrue Holiday and Ty Lawson last night just made me so angry with Donnie Walsh. Jordan Hill? Really. Uh.

  48. KnickfaninNJ

    For those of us disgusted at Boston Miami, all I can say is that at least one of them will lose the next round, which is good. It’s a shame they both can’t lose.

    For Billups, I think he might be able to play SSOL. But I don’t think he’s going to last heavy minutes which means we need another guard. Getting another guard probably means no real center except Turiaf/Jeffries. So this means another season of an imbalanced team with little depth that’s very vulnerable to injuries to key players. Sounds like it could be agony.

  49. PC

    I am shocked at how many people use the phrase “SSOL”…Are we all in agreement that the Knicks do not run that offense? We always shoot well before the 7 second mark; we don’t take the first good shot we see and we don’t throw long outlet passes.

    The only similarility is a complete ignorance for defense and we rarely run set plays.

    I would say we are a pick and roll team. Can Chauncey run an effective pick and roll with Stoudemire is the only relevant offensive question.

    Still want D’Antoni as the coach? Sadly, I think everyone knows that our 1 or 2 deep playoffs runs will come with someone else at the helm.

  50. Owen

    “Watching Jrue Holiday and Ty Lawson last night just made me so angry with Donnie Walsh. Jordan Hill? Really. Uh.”

    Tell me about it.

    I thought last night was one of the best nights of NBA basketball I have seen in a long time. The Spurs game was obviously incredible but I think Nuggets-Thunder is my favorite matchup in the NBA. Incredibly entertaining games to watch.

    It’s going to be super interesting to see what happens with the Thunder. Right now, they look like the best team out West. Certainly their efficiency differential since the Perkins trade projects them that way. It’s a shame that they had to match up with the Nuggets in the first round. I think the Knugs could have made some noise if they had drawn someone else. (Or if the refs had made the right call on that Perkins tip in.)

  51. ess-dog

    At our pick, I would like to see us grab Fredette (likely gone), Biyombo (likely gone), Tristan Thompson, or Faried. Problem is, both Thompson and Faried are 6’8″ tweeners, but they should be the best players left there. Both are better finishers than JJ and good rebounders. Faried is what he is. Unfortunately what is is, is Brown/Balkman. He’s too slender to really defend the post in the nba but he could defend the wing and maybe hold his own at the 4 eventually. Still, I think he could contribute a lot. Thompson is a Frosh, so he has more potential long term, But Faried would be more likely to contribute now. Nogueira is interesting but he’s so young, it would take him 3 years to contribute.

    I like the idea of buying a late draft pick for Reggie Jackson (winning name.) I think that’s definitely a possibility. Then we can drop Rautins.

    Mirotic is also interesting. He’s been killing it in europe but we don’t really need Gallo redux at this point.

    I have mixed feelings on Ajinca. He looked amazing in summer league, but didn’t get many minutes and didn’t play that well. He seems like a good fit for D’Antoni though. He’s worth 1-2 mil, maybe if we can get rid of Balkman first. With him and Jordan, it would be nice to have 2 seven footers.

    And Z-bo’s #s just kill Stat’s this year, at a much cheaper price. Such bitter irony.

  52. Frank

    latke:
    Right now draftexpress has him going 30th, while nbadraft.net doesn’t even have him in the top 100.

    It’s really crazy how different all the various draft-scouting sites are in terms of this year’s draft. If Chad Ford can be believed, it looks like the top 2-3 are pretty set in some order, but from 11-35 everyone is about the same. That can only be good for us.

    I sort of doubt that we will buy a 1st round pick this year – it would just be more guaranteed salary for 2012. But we’ll see I guess.

  53. Frank

    I’d love to see Walsh (Assuming he’s the guy calling the shots) throwing some Dolan Dollars around to get 2-3 2nd round picks. Free (ie. no guaranteed money) looks at these guys without having to compete for them in the UDFA market. King, Clips, Bobcats, and 1 or 2 of the Lakers 4 2nd round picks seem like good targets. If we draft 3-4 and even one of them hits, that would be a huge win.

  54. Frank

    Also, it looks like the apple of Walsh’s 2nd round eye last year, Darington Hobson, was cut by the Bucks after needing surgery. He might be a good low-cost young FA to go after if we liked him so much last year.

  55. Brian Cronin

    Buying first rounders is tricky. If you can deal them later this season (if need be), then cool. But otherwise, you’re adding guaranteed salary that takes away from the Knicks’ ability to bluff New Orleans into thinking Paul will sign with the Knicks as an outright free agent (which is the only way that they would be able to convince New Orleans to accept the poo-poo platter of Billups, Toney, Fields and this year’s #1 for Paul).

  56. ess-dog

    Yeah, better to take a chance with an early 2nd if possible. In such a weak draft, teams might be giving them away like candy. Hopefully they could get their choice of 2nd tier pg like Darius Morris.

  57. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, exactly. The second round is where the Knicks should throw their weight around, because second rounders won’t count as anything but cap holds, so you can add as many as you’d like (well, up to 7 or 8) without affecting the Knicks’ cap space for 2012.

  58. steveoh

    I just don’t get how we can judge Chauncey and Melo playing SSOL based off this past abbreviated season, where D’Antoni basically abandoned it just to get everyone on the same page with an Iso-heavy system.

    Give them both a training camp before we judge. Like someone said, we were skeptical of Felton picking it up, and he did. And that’s Raymond Felton! These are two smart guys who will be playing in a system that does wonders for your offensive game – and stats.

    And if it’s still not working, we can then ship Chauncey away for different smaller pieces.

    But, to be honest, it’s not the offense I’m worried about. That’ll work itself out fine. It’s the defense, and being held accountable for it. That’s a D’Antoni thing. And if he doesn’t punish players for defensive meltdowns, they’re gonna continue. How do you change that?

  59. Brian Cronin

    I certainly hope D’Antoni told them not to bother learning it this season (which I agree certainly is possible), because Felton got it before his 20th game as a Knick while Billups didn’t look like he was even trying it in his 21st game.

  60. flossy

    I have a hard time believing that anyone actually expects a team to go to great lengths to acquire Amar’e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony only to have the coach bench or otherwise “punish” them for playing bad defense. I mean… hello?

  61. adrenaline98

    Not sure if it’s been floated out there, but I’d actually like to see if the Knicks can take a flyer on Michael Redd, see if he will take a vet minimum salary of some kind, or maybe half a mid-level to prove he can still play in this league with those knees.

    Him in place of Landry spotting up for 3s could be a nice fit.

    We all already know they need a big man and a backup PG, but without dramatic improvements from Fields, we will need a temp SG until he develops.

  62. New Guy

    I have a feeling when this new CBA is done teams aren’t going to be in any rush to sell their draft picks.

  63. PC

    Its hard not to love Chris Paul. He would be an amazing Knick. He has earned himself a huge max contract with how over the top amazing he has played in this Laker series.

    He is playing with a d-league type lineup (much like Melo and the Knicks in game 2) and they look great.

  64. BigBlueAL

    “And Z-bo’s #s just kill Stat’s this year, at a much cheaper price. Such bitter irony.”

    I mentioned this above, this was BY FAR his best season ever. I was shocked looking at his career stats how mediocre, and some seasons downright bad, he has been for the majority of his career (mainly due to his horrible efficiency on offense). Maybe we shouldnt be too surprised he had his best season ever during a contract year. Lets see if he keeps this up for the next 4 years when he will be making 71 million bucks.

  65. Shad0wF0x

    @70.

    I haven’t watched any Milwaukee games in the last year and half or so. How’s his running, lateral movement and most importantly, his shooting?

  66. PC

    Anyone have knowledge or insight into the Deandre Jordan scenario. I know his salary was cheap this year and he’s a free agent. He’s young and would allow Amare to move to the 4…..

  67. Frank

    @76 – as I understand it any player with less than 3 years of experience is restricted, whether 1st or 2nd round pick. So Deandre will be a RFA. If we were to go after him, we’d probably have to give him the full MLE (assuming it exists) for max years (whatever that ends up being) to even have a hope that the Clips don’t match. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one, as much as I like him.

    I think hoping for a lot of improvement out of Jerome Jordan might be our best bet at center in 2012 unfortunately!

  68. fromgeorgetown

    DeAndre Jordan will be a pipe dream now considering our cap situation. Clippers will likely match any offer under 10 million and we don’t have 10 million to offer. Same thing goes now for Marc Gasol. Our best bet for a center is to have one of the veteran centers like Chandler or Dalembert be willing to come here for the MLE (doubtful), offer a more aging veteran like Nazr Mohammed the MLE (gag me), go for a veteran not at the level of Chandler or Dalembert but could still have value for us for cheaply like Kwame Brown (a possibility), or go for an unproven commodity with lots of upside who you hope is going to develop like Alexis Ajinca (we’re already going to have Jerome Jordan so I’m against this route as Ajinca/Jordan would be quite redundant and frankly we’re a veteran team and I want to develop as few projects as possible).

    Of those routes, I hope we go the Kwame Brown route considering we’ll be able to get 25 mins from him, 10-15 from Turiaf or Jerome Jordan on a given night, and could still play STAT at center for a few minutes here and there. I can’t imagine a competitive market to sign Kwame Brown so 3 mill for 3 years should be able to get it done.

  69. Frank

    Actually I would be quite happy if we threw the full weight of an MLE x 1 year only to Jeff Foster. I think he and Turiaf would make a very nice tandem at the 5, and he’s old enough that he might actually accept it. And he plays/played for Indiana – hmmmmm…do we have anyone in our front office that actually traded for Foster’s draft rights in 1999?

  70. BigBlueAL

    Knicks could use their MLE if their still is one on a player for just 1 year. Maybe a Dalembert would be willing to sign a 1 yr-6 mil contract. Or they could split the MLE and sign a couple of guys to 1 yr deals for 3 mil each which is better than offering guys minimum 1 yr deals.

  71. adrenaline98

    Shad0wF0x: @70.I haven’t watched any Milwaukee games in the last year and half or so. How’s his running, lateral movement and most importantly, his shooting?

    He didn’t even play. LOL

    Ok, I lied. He played 10 games, and was shut down I think somewhere mid-season. That’s why I thought maybe at a vet minimum, if he’s willing to take it, in D’Antoni’s system would be at least intriguing. He’s always been a horrendous defender. Still, his shot has value in a D’Antoni offense.

  72. fromgeorgetown

    RE: Michael Redd, I wouldn’t have a problem with him coming in for the MLE and I would expect a veteran coming off knee issues being thrilled to have an MLE offered to him in a SSOL offense with Melo, STAT, and Billups as teammates. If his knees hold up he’d be a good fit to the team and would let Landry become a 2/3 swing off the bench.

  73. fromgeorgetown

    Frank: Actually I would be quite happy if we threw the full weight of an MLE x 1 year only to Jeff Foster. I think he and Turiaf would make a very nice tandem at the 5, and he’s old enough that he might actually accept it. And he plays/played for Indiana – hmmmmm…do we have anyone in our front office that actually traded for Foster’s draft rights in 1999?

    For a year, yes. I think we’ll be finding our long-term answer at the 5 in 2012 free agency

  74. latke

    Thomas B.:
    Latke,
    What do you think of Kenneth Faried? He makes me think of a larger Balkman. Very active on defense, gets steals and blocks shots.He is as offensively challenged as JJ, but he is a very good rebounder.I don’t think he is a bad pick at 17.Rebounding ability tends to carry over well from the NCAA.The Knicks should at least work him out given how thin we are upfront. Maybe the Knicks can buy the 20th from Minnesota and pick him up there.

    I watched one of the NCAA tourney games with him plus some other highlights, and I liked him a lot. I think he can be an elite defender in the NBA. The under-appreciated key to effective defense IMO is foot speed. Great defenders are generally abnormally nimble-footed. Bruce Bowen is a great example. He couldn’t jump, wasn’t particularly long, strong, or quick but he could move from side to side faster than most any offensive player. He also was cheap as hell, but let’s not talk about that.

    I also think Faried was competent on offense. Jared Jeffries’ offensive game may be the worst in the entire NBA. If he could make free throws, catch the ball around the rim, and convert layups, he would be a starter on most teams. I think maybe the better comparison for Faried is Jerome Williams AKA Junkyard Dog. Super active and energetic, bulky enough to guard 4s and quick enough to guard 3s.

  75. latke

    Jake S.:
    The Junkyard Dog! Shoot me now.

    Junkyard Dog’s peak WS/48 was .201 with an average for his career of .143. He was sneaky good. Faried is a bit bigger and a better shot blocker, but he showed (in my admittedly limited experience) the same kind of activity and intuition on defense.

  76. tenebrous

    I don’t know. I’m thinking the Knicks need to follow the trend in the NBA. I feel like the trend is height and lenght. at least two 7′ers on the floor deters penetration and even shooting. Lakers 2 7′ers. Boston 3. Okc 3. Grizz 2. Portland 2-3. Clipers 2. You can probably name a lot more. Having said that, I also like the two guard or smaller lineup and pushing the ball a la say Denver. We already have two scrores that if give the rock and told shoot wount hesitate. I would lean toward height and lenght D Jordan, J Jordan, etc, etc. It all depends on how the style evolves and or changes. If in iso (or having the ball) you know melo and stat will shoot. I’d rather have at least 2 7′ers trying to get the ball for a rebound, put back, etc. Jefferies got a lot of (especially offensive) rebounds in his stint and hence a few more possessions. Having two 7′ers will also allow stat and melo to be more free. It all depends on the style going forward. I think, this last team, did not have all the confidence that is required by the ssol and hence moved to pnr (early in the season) to try to make some baskets. That being said, the ssol is really the osol – 1 second or less – meaning if you have the space take the shot. So I don’t know but it seams if the Knicks have 7 spots available the Knicks should pick up 4 7′ers and 2 pgs (TD is a two) and keep turi (or get a player like turi) as, yes, a backup to stat. Melo can be replaced by two pg when more running is needed. So stat, melo, cb, mason/Azabuki (if availbe and healthy) and some young legs …. Wow I’m just confusing myself – maybe just too tired – don’t people get paid for this stuff. Ohh yeah, we still need a personal trainer for each player to work on their weakness 1 on 1 a la Drako from Rocky.

  77. d-mar

    I gotta give him credit, Jameer Nelson is a tough little SOB.

    If the Hawks hang on and win this game, Otis Smith might want to take his phone off the hook for a while.

  78. tenebrous

    Teribble – thought denver would take it, hornets would too as well as pacers and Philly, so far am right about Atlanta and perhaps about the Grizz. Portland I like couldn’t really call it on Portland. Cp3 and Howard are out. Let’s go guys, let’s figure out a trade with stat and melo – right? I like a healthy stat and melo so let’s play them not more than 20 min during the season. Everyone was getting hurt on the Knicks – gallo back, Felton – (I think something with feet), stat – everything, cb – quad/hamstring knees.

  79. tenebrous

    I’m sure a bunch of you called if the same way. Anyway my of first option is baron Davis, 2 cb, 3 andri miller, 4 evens, 5 the pg on Grizz, 6 sessions, i dont know about cp3 right now.

  80. tenebrous

    I see a very tough time for the Knicks to win the game record and get to #1 hence protecting the homecourt advantage and while playing stat, melo and cb upto 20 min per game during the season. Two got hurt and one got tired. We had great games during this season. Next season should be about health etc.

  81. tenebrous

    Last one for today I promise: not sure why they moved Tyson Chandler from cp3. I thought they had the pnr down or working on it. That was weird. What does that say about cp3? Yes okufur is good but not the pnr with cp3 and Ty Chandler – hence comes in the push push push run run run push push push not a la but not a la osol.

  82. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    tenebrous,

    You are getting buckwild, my friend. Pump the brakes, as it were.

    Sincerely,
    THCJ

  83. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Owen:
    That is a nice article on Paul….

    Yes, but it’s also Rick Reilly schlock. Show me Chris Paul the human being, not Chris Paul the saint.

  84. New Guy

    Realistic Free agent center targets to go with Jordan:

    Jason Collins, 7-0 (2011 Salary: $1.35mm)
    Etan Thomas, C/PF, 6-10 (2011 Salary: $1.22mm)
    Kwame Brown, C, 6-11 (2011 Salary: $1.22mm)
    Nazr Mohammed, C, 6-10 (2011 Salary: 6.88mm)
    Joel Pryzbilla, C, 7-1 (2011 Salary: 7.4mm)
    Chuck Hayes, C/PF, 6-6 (2011 Salary: 2.3mm)

    What does Hayes project to get? I would love to add 2 of these guys in the offseason along with bringing Jordan back and go center-by-committee.

  85. New Guy

    This isn’t bad:

    PF: Stoudemire / Turiaf
    SF: Anthony / Williams
    C: Hayes / Thomas / Jordan

    Hayes, we’ve seen, can cover any opposing big and free Amar’e to play off the ball. I just have no idea what the market for him will be.

  86. Brian Cronin

    I don’t think there’s any way that Atlanta lets go of Collins (not after he was their secret weapon in defeating Orlando), nor Houston lets go of Hayes (unless the Knicks blow Hayes away with, like, the full mid-level). Pyyzbilla, meanwhile (and you can take this with the proverbial grain of salt), has said he would either play for Milwaukee or Portland or else he’d retire.

    So that would leave Thomas, Brown and Mohammed. I’d be fine with any of those guys on one-year deals.

  87. Frank

    Wow – from Hoopsworld via theknicks blog:

    “Maybe that’s why Knicks forward Shawne Williams is so refreshing. The soon-to-be free agent outplayed his near-minimum salary this year; but he isn’t making any grandiose demands. Williams is open to practically any deal that keeps him in New York.

    “That’s what I want to do,” Williams told HOOPSWORLD after the Knicks were eliminated from the playoffs by the Celtics. “I just want to get familiar with one organization. I don’t like the journey, hopping around.

    “It don’t have to be long term,” he said of the deal. “It can be one year. Whatever helps. I’m not trying to break the bank because I’m not thinking that’s realistic. I’m just trying to get in and play.”

    I think if you can resign Williams at Bill Walker type money, or even up to maybe $1.2M or so he’s a good buy. He already knows the system and seems like a good team guy, even if he does fall asleep on defense occasionally.

  88. New Guy

    Collins and Hayes are both unrestricted, though, so it’s not like Atlanta and Houston can match anyone’s offer. Hayes I think will be a hot commodity for mid-level type money. Miami almost certainly will want him, too.

  89. AndAtCenterAt7FeetFromGeorgetown

    Doug: And did you know feline AIDS is the number one killer of domestic cats?

    Pussy AIDS is no laughing matter.

  90. AndAtCenterAt7FeetFromGeorgetown

    Jason Collins and Kwame Brown are who I’d want the most at center as we should be able to get them without using the MLE letting us keep that option open (providing it’s still there) for a possible SG.

  91. Jake S.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles
    April 29, 2011 at 12:13 am
    Owen:
    That is a nice article on Paul….

    Yes, but it’s also Rick Reilly schlock. Show me Chris Paul the human being, not Chris Paul the saint.

    +1. “Sinatra Has a Cold” this was not.

  92. Jafa

    @ 103:

    Is the risk of Mike D leaving for Golden State credible? If so, forcing a defensive coach on him may be a strategy that backfires. Then who would be trot out as coach that our two “superstars” would feel good about?

  93. tenebrous

    Please they’re superstars – they should be able to play with any coach. MDA is very positive and I like that but how can you expect to teach your guys to space the floor on offense and expect them to get tight on defense. It just doesn’t make sense. Anyway, this is not easy and I don’t know if Frank is good here as head coach but he dies remind me of Jeff “I’ll pull your leg out” Gundy. Regardless, Clyde has the respect of players MDA, I think never will. It would be sad to see MDA leave, if he does, just because we are used to him and his cheerleading ability. He won 50+ with suns while he had Nash. Cb is not Nash, hence we are all stuck. Someone said cb can play as a two as he did on the olympic team and play the 1 as needed if there can be a good 1 – makes sense not really but not sure and for sure not Nash / Felton pnr.

  94. woolygator3

    On the topic of options on contracts being picked up, any news on Donnie’s contract situation?

  95. Ben R

    I don’t love that we picked up Chauncey’s option but it’s not a big deal either way so at oleast it will give us a little more stability.

    I personally think we should try and get Mozgov back. He is totally redundant in Denver with Nene, Anderson and Koufos, so he should be attainable. He has played well, in limited minutes, since the new year. (14.1 pts 9.6 rebs 59% TS% in 273 minutes) He is also a legitimate 7 footer that D’Antoni likes and already knows the offense so he can spend the entire summer getting better rather than learning a new system. I think if we offered our 1st rounder for him Denver would bite and since there is no real center’s in this draft anywhere near where we’re picking he would be a better pick up than almost anyone we can draft.

    That would give us, with Turiaf and the addition of Jordan, three real centers to hopefully give us a full 48 minutes.

    I think Douglas should continue to improve, he was a better PG this year than last, and if he can keep improving he should be a great backup PG next year and maybe a starter once Billups expires. I still have alot of faith in him, he struggled during the playoffs but was very good down the stretch this season and is the main reason we were able to stay above .500.

    Bringing back Chandler would be a very good move. Maybe a hidden bonus of the Melo trade is a cheaper Chandler. Chandler at the MLE is a very good deal and he would solve all of our depth problems across the wing.

    I guess the best offseason for me would be to bring Jordan over, trade for Mozgov, resign Chandler and then buy as many late 1sts/early 2nds as we can and just swing for the fences and hope for another Fields.

  96. Frank

    @112 – not a bad idea, but we better believe that Mozgov is the future answer at the 5 because his current contract carries a $3M 2012-13 cap# which would probably make it impossible to go after a max guy next summer.

  97. Ben R

    Frank: @112 – not a bad idea, but we better believe that Mozgov is the future answer at the 5 because his current contract carries a $3M 2012-13 cap# which would probably make it impossible to go after a max guy next summer.

    I think it’s impossible anyway. Unless there are major changes, in our favor, to the cap agreement we are going to be 5-6 million under a max contract no matter what we do. Plus if we do anything other than tread water with our MLE (if it still exists) then cap space in 2012 is moot anyway.

  98. Brian Cronin

    Ha! I was going to answer for Ben (that he thinks it is impossible to get a max player, so why worry about it affecting the 2012 cap), but I figured I’d wait for Ben to give his own reply. I am pleased that I was correct in what you were going to say, Ben!

  99. John Kenney

    To everyone thinking chandler would sign here: why would he want to get traded AGAIN? Do we think orlando or new orleans wouldn’t demand he be included?

  100. Frank

    @114-115 – I think it’s extremely likely that the maximum salary will be reduced to the point that we might be able to squeeze one more max in. I don’t think Donnie would have said “we can sign a max FA in 2012″ if he wasn’t pretty sure about it. Question is whether that’s the best way to go. If there IS an MLE starting at ~5M and we used it on a player this summer (ie. WC, Dalembert (will prob get more than that), etc.), that would leave us with somewhere around ~9-10M to offer to a non-max type player (or 2).

  101. ess-dog

    Hey on the bright side, at least we didn’t sign Joe Johnson, right?
    He’s pretty much performing on the level of TD, but for a lot more $$$.

  102. taggart4800

    I have been considering the list of FA’s this summer. For this matter alone I think resigning Billups was a great move. He is a well respected veteran around the league and likely has a great deal more pull than Melo and STAT especially on the class of player you want on your squad. Secondly, since acquiring STAT we seem to have been very much improved in our medical dept. I must admit that this is part supposition based on watching games and the activity around the players and also a few articles I have read, but clearly we would have to be to maximise the return on our investment in STAT.
    This being said there are a few names, some good some bad that may warrant some consideration and may be tempted to NY. I would hasten to add that these acquisitions are not necessarily likely, just that these players have ‘Knick’ related reasons to take a lesser offer.

    Michael Redd – His name was floated earlier and I really like the idea. He has made his money and with a strong medical team with good players and a system that would allow him to gun from 3 he could make a strong late career resurgence.

    Greg Oden – Perhaps the least likely, but his knees need tending to and it would be a fresh start. But is it worth Fields and the first we would likely have to send. Big Risk but possible high reward

    Nazr Mohammed – Vet Minimum and high IQ

    Grant Hill – D’Antoni and STAT – would add another veteran presence as well.

    Leandro Barbosa – Phoenix ties and although taking less money is unlikely he could exercise his Player Option to get out of Toronto

    There are others such as Ajinca and Chuck Hayes who would be very good pickups. Two outside bets are:-

    Yao Ming….. – Long shot but at the vets Minimum he could exploit the NY market for China as well as take care of those troublesome knees.

    Tayshaun Prince – UFA as well and part of the Billups era Pistons. You wouldn’t blame him for getting out of Detroit and playing on a playoff team for another go at it…

  103. Brian Cronin

    Good stuff. My e-mail was not hooked up to Google docs, so I couldn’t get in (I should be able to get in next time, at least), but you guys all pretty much said exactly what I would say – we need to give him a chance at running SSOL for a season with these guys before we make any judgments about D’Antoni. The Knicks hired the guy to coach star players, so they need to give him at least one season of him doing that.

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