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Saturday, October 25, 2014

Knicks Opener Postponed Due to Hurricane Sandy

From ESPN.com:

The highly anticipated regular-season opener Thursday between the Brooklyn Nets and the New York Knicks, which was to be the first NBA regular-season game at the $1 billion Barclays Center, has been postponed due to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy, the Nets confirmed Wednesday.

At this point, a makeup date has not been announced.

The NBA announced on Tuesday that the game would take place as scheduled. But shutdowns of mass transit due to the hurricane would’ve caused significant problems for fans trying to attend the game.

Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald said he spoke to NBA executive Stu Jackson, who confirmed that Thursday’s game will be postponed. Grunwald said he has been told that Friday’s game against Miami at Madison Square Garden is still on.

Well, that sucks. Although I did get tickets for their second match-up at Barclays, so maybe those tickets will be worth something now. Heh.

81 comments on “Knicks Opener Postponed Due to Hurricane Sandy

  1. JC Knickfan

    Come on did Miami look that good against B-town? Geez Ray Allen had 19 pt on 7 shots – what a horrible signing. Rashard Lewis was 4-5, but look really scared to the shoot ball. He looks wash-up.

  2. knicknyk

    I am looking forward to watching Novak play against Miami this time. They really neutralized him in the PO’s. It will be interesting to see how Novak adjusts. Not happy that Miami is the first team we play & don’t really think we have a chance in beating them particularly without Amare.

  3. ruruland

    Winning percentages drop precipitously in 4 game 5 night scenario.

    Not playing Thursday increases likelihood of winning all three games. 2-1 would be a great start. let’s remember, first couple months will be hardest.

    Good rule of thumb:
    If the Knicks win 85% of their games against bad teams, 70 % of games against middlng teams and 45% of their games against good teams…

    That should get you 55-58 wins in the Eastern conference.

  4. Frank

    Um ok maybe it was Durant and Westbrook that were actually holding Harden back? Granted Detroit is terrible on D but he is killing it tonight.

  5. er

    im telling u this year is the biggest year in kd.s career and no one is talking about it. im interested to see how he does without harden

    Frank:
    Um ok maybe it was Durant and Westbrook that were actually holding Harden back? Granted Detroit is terrible on D but he is killing it tonight.

  6. Bruno Almeida

    Frank:
    Um ok maybe it was Durant and Westbrook that were actually holding Harden back? Granted Detroit is terrible on D but he is killing it tonight.

    yeah, I guess Harden is just a complimentary piece lol

    he looks amazing today, and Asik looks pretty good too.

  7. er

    I love out of town commentators….”James Harden may have been the 6th man of the year in OKC but he is the MAN in Houston”….lol

  8. Bruno Almeida

    Asik just showcased perfectly how a big man should contest a layup attempt, arms up, stayed in position, really impressive.

  9. massive

    Well, I don’t think there will be any doubt that James Harden is the best shooting guard in the NBA by January.

  10. Bruno Almeida

    Bogut is also looking great, granted, it’s against the Suns, but he’s rolling right now.

    Klay Thompson’s shot has got to be up there with the Ray Allen’s of the NBA, simply great.

  11. er

    i love klay

    Bruno Almeida:
    Bogut is also looking great, granted, it’s against the Suns, but he’s rolling right now.

    Klay Thompson’s shot has got to be up there with the Ray Allen’s of the NBA, simply great.

  12. er

    lol pistons played one of the worst 4th quarters ive seen in a while. How many open threes can u give up in one quarter. Mind you they started the 4th up 11

    DS:
    Yeah, I think one game against the Pistons leaves little doubt.

  13. mokers

    I think Harden won’t put up the same efficiency numbers as he did in OKC, but I was happy to see him do well after what have been a crazy week for him. Will be interesting to see how he does when it’s not Stuckey and Knight guarding him.

    Denver on the other hand…

  14. massive

    Bruno Almeida:
    Bogut is also looking great, granted, it’s against the Suns, but he’s rolling right now.

    Klay Thompson’s shot has got to be up there with the Ray Allen’s of the NBA, simply great.

    I’m assuming Bogut is being guarded by Gortat, one of the top centers in the league? Bogut playing well against the Suns isn’t the fool’s gold you’re making it out to be.

  15. knicknyk

    Houstons backcourt carried them today. There was a lot of good but some bad as well. Definitely a work in progress. They are going to have some ugly games though where they will look a mess though. Lin did some great things and then some bone headed things. Harden did some great things and then some bone headed things. Both of them are going to be really inconsistent this year I can see the weaknesses already. But there is a really exciting foundation in that back court.

  16. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    My god does the Lakers offense look bad. I’m almost hoping they start the season with a big losing streak so Brown gets the axe. Did Steve Nash really sign that contract to hand the ball off at the top of the key, dive to the paint, and hover around the block waiting for Dwight Howard to turn the ball over?

  17. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    knicknyk:
    Houstons backcourt carried them today. There was a lot of good but some bad as well. Definitely a work in progress. They are going to have some ugly games though where they will look a mess though. Lin did some great things and then some bone headed things. Harden did some great things and then some bone headed things. Both of them are going to be really inconsistent this year I can see the weaknesses already. But there is a really exciting foundation in that back court.

    You’re allowed to have 4 TO when you take 32% of your team’s shots at 1.48 PPS. If Shumpert could give me that, he could pull a Javale-esque comedic goaltending routine once a quarter and I’d be thrilled to have him on the floor.

  18. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    BigBlueAL:
    Denver looked awful tonight.They were missing Gallo but still their offense was horrendous.

    I didn’t see the game, but the box score looks awful. Only Koufas scored more points than FGA. That is one putrid thing to say about your team’s offensive performance. Still, there’s no way that they average 0.85 PPS over the course of the season, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

  19. StatsTeacher

    Wow, Harden was unfuckin’ believable! That Houston backcourt is going to be fun. Lin had some great dishes (8 total) made a few mistakes, picked up 4 fouls and Houston had to bring in . . . . . . .Douglas!!!! The Houston blog was goin’ nuts with him runnin’ the point. Some things never change.

  20. er

    to be fair detroit gets an assist for the win, overall Harden was great, im interested to see if he can keep it up, and if lin balances him out

    StatsTeacher:
    Wow, Harden was unfuckin’ believable!That Houston backcourt is going to be fun.Lin had some great dishes (8 total) made a few mistakes, picked up 4 fouls and Houston had to bring in . . . . . . .Douglas!!!!The Houston blog was goin’ nuts with him runnin’ the point.Some things never change.

  21. StatsTeacher

    Detroit is a strange team, lots of big scary dudes runnin around doing what exactly? I thought they would be better. McHale’s rotations were bizarro — they have 4’s (D-Mo, TJones) they didn’t even use (?).

  22. EB

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: You’re allowed to have 4 TO when you take 32% of your team’s shots at 1.48 PPS. If Shumpert could give me that, he could pull a Javale-esque comedic goaltending routine once a quarter and I’d be thrilled to have him on the floor.

    Not to mention that Harden has basically never played with any of these guys before.

  23. Bruno Almeida

    massive: I’m assuming Bogut is being guarded by Gortat, one of the top centers in the league? Bogut playing well against the Suns isn’t the fool’s gold you’re making it out to be.

    yeah, Gortat is good, but he looked kinda lost in the beginning of the game, which is normal… he’s playing much better now.

    this Lillard kid sure looks like a hell of a player too, it’s exciting to see all the young talent in this league right now.

  24. JK47

    Well, Duhon is not in yet but Duhon and the execrable Darius Morris are the next PG options if Nash is going to be out for a while. Steve Blake is horrendous so the Lakers will pretty much be boned if Nash’s injury is serious.

  25. Juany8

    As fun as it was to see Harden lighting up detroit, let’s keep in mind that Detroit also gave up 5-6 shooting to Delfino from 3 and that Asik looked like Tyson Chandler. I also need to point out that the Lin, Harden backcourt is not very good at anything defensively other than getting steals, there were so many breakdowns on both ends…

  26. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    JK47:
    Well, Duhon is not in yet but Duhon and the execrable Darius Morris are the next PG options if Nash is going to be out for a while.Steve Blake is horrendous so the Lakers will pretty much be boned if Nash’s injury is serious.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/10/31/3584164/steve-nash-injury-lakers-knee

    BigBlueAL:
    Damian Lillard is a freaking blur with the ball.Quick as hell.

    That block by Howard earlier in the game stopped what could have been an incredible first-game play. He smoked Nash so hard to his left that I don’t even think Nash reacted. Kind of unreal.

  27. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    EB: Not to mention that Harden has basically never played with any of these guys before.

    Basketball’s an intuitive game.

  28. yellowboy90

    On a side note: I will ask again why has Mickeal Pietrus not been picked up to replace White. I like White(followed him since H.S.) and think he just needs to relaxed but wouldn’t Pietrus be a better fit. a little bigger and better shooter.

  29. llcoolbp

    watching the clippers on league pass. Crawford is a good fit for this team. CP3, Crawford, and bledsoe absolutely putting on a dribbling clinic in this game. With Griffin looking like he’s back at full strength and a hopefully motivated odom, this team can do some damage in the West. Might have to selct them as one of my five league pass teams after this preview week is over.

  30. llcoolbp

    my league pass teams:

    Knicks
    Nets
    Lakers?
    Clippers?
    Heat?
    OKC?
    Houston?

    I might have to suck it up and pay the full amount for all the teams. I’m so giddy basketball is back.

    On a side note, I’m stuck in NYC for the past week due to the hurricane. Ironically I’m visiting from New Orleans (Originally from Queens here). This is my second hurricane this year. Luckily my family and house in queens is fine. I’m sad about the knicks game being cancelled on thursday. It’s the right decision. This area has been absolutely devastated.

  31. ruruland

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    My god does the Lakers offense look bad. I’m almost hoping they start the season with a big losing streak so Brown gets the axe. Did Steve Nash really sign that contract to hand the ball off at the top of the key, dive to the paint, and hover around the block waiting for Dwight Howard to turn the ball over?

    Are you seriously talking interaction effects? Every player is responsible for his own production, silly.

    There is no difference in systems or plays or all that other made up basketball jargon.

  32. ruruland

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: I didn’t see the game, but the box score looks awful. Only Koufas scored more points than FGA. That is one putrid thing to say about your team’s offensive performance. Still, there’s no way that they average 0.85 PPS over the course of the season, so I wouldn’t worry about it.

    They scored 57 points in the half-court tonight against a team that lost its best perimeter defender from last season and has no rim protection.

    If Denver isn’t running, as we saw in the playoffs the last two years, they are a very average (at best) half-court team.

    You predicted that the Nuggets improved dramatically by trading Harrington. Unfortunately, he was probably their best half-court shot creator last year.

    This team is going to go through bouts of offensive inconsistency because it lacks shooting and shot-creation.

    Also, Faried is now being asked to make an elbow jumper and create on a few post moves this year. His numbers will go way down. He wasn’t even rebounding all that much tonight. Could be another Fields, who was 0-6 for 0 pointsin his Raptors debut.

  33. BigBlueAL

    llcoolbp:
    watching the clippers on league pass. Crawford is a good fit for this team. CP3, Crawford, and bledsoe absolutely putting on a dribbling clinic in this game. With Griffin looking like he’s back at full strength and a hopefully motivated odom, this team can do some damage in the West. Might have to selct them as one of my five league pass teams after this preview week is over.

    Do you know if the price will remain 120 bucks for the 5-team package even after the free preview week?? I know regular LP goes up 10 bucks after the free preview week is over.

  34. Will the Thrill

    You get wayyyy too carried away over a couple of games lol

    ruruland: They scored 57 points in the half-court tonight against a team that lost its best perimeter defender from last season and has no rim protection.

    If Denver isn’t running, as we saw in the playoffs the last two years, they are a very average (at best) half-court team.

    You predicted that the Nuggets improved dramatically by trading Harrington. Unfortunately, he was probably their best half-court shot creator last year.

    This team is going to go through bouts of offensive inconsistency because it lacks shooting and shot-creation.

    Also, Faried is now being asked to make an elbow jumper and create on a few post moves this year. His numbers will go way down. He wasn’t even rebounding all that much tonight. Could be another Fields, who was 0-6 for 0 pointsin his Raptors debut.

  35. llcoolbp

    BigBlueAL: Do you know if the price will remain 120 bucks for the 5-team package even after the free preview week??I know regular LP goes up 10 bucks after the free preview week is over.

    It looks like it stays at 120 for the 5 team package if you pay upfront. I still despise that they have so many different pricing plans, and that iPads/mobile devices cost an extra 40 for the app.

  36. JK47

    Also, Faried is now being asked to make an elbow jumper and create on a few post moves this year. His numbers will go way down. He wasn’t even rebounding all that much tonight. Could be another Fields, who was 0-6 for 0 pointsin his Raptors debut.

    Yes, Faried only managed a paltry 7 rebounds in 17 minutes, which is what, only about 14.8 rebounds per 36 minutes. Faried’s a bust.

  37. ruruland

    Will the Thrill:
    You get wayyyy too carried away over a couple of games lol

    Actually, this is the argument I’ve persistently made and consistently been proven correct since last season

    The Nuggets offense got worse from last season, especially in the half-court.

    They’re still probably the best full-court team in the NBA. They’ll be a great Karl team, and I have little doubt they’ll win around 50 games.

    But they don’t have enough shooting or shot creation in the half-court, and their defense isn’t nearly good enough to beat all but playoff fodder come playoff time.

    lol.

  38. ruruland

    JK47:
    Also, Faried is now being asked to make an elbow jumper and create on a few post moves this year. His numbers will go way down. He wasn’t even rebounding all that much tonight. Could be another Fields, who was 0-6 for 0 pointsin his Raptors debut.

    Yes, Faried only managed a paltry 7 rebounds in 17 minutes, which is what, only about 14.8 rebounds per 36 minutes. Faried’s a bust.

    * Correction. Having watched the second half and checked the box score for minutes played, you are correct.

    Interesting though, why was Faried pulled three minutes into the third quarter? Probably because Karl, like all other NBA coaches, is a horrible coach, aka non-Berricylote.

    Did you watch the game?

  39. Juany8

    Lol seems like all the analysts that predicted adjustment periods for teams like the Knicks and Lakers forgot that the Nuggets have literally 1 starter that’s the same as what they had last year (once you account for Gallo’s injury) They somehow also pretended that a coach that would randomly bench JR Smith for long periods of time and doesn’t play rookies serious minutes out of some form of stubbornness had suddenly gotten Javale McGee to buy in. Playing fantastic, team oriented basketball in a contract season for a few months after a trade is the oldest trick in the book. Anyone remember Brendan Haywood and Eric Dampier getting $50+ million for a good stretch in a contract year with Dallas?

  40. Frank

    @ BigBlueAl – I caught about 10 minutes of the Portland/LA game and I swear Lilliard looked like the best player on the floor. A little out of control but only to be expected for a guy’s first game in the big time.

    I know we are talking 2 games and of course everyone is overreacting, but it’s got to make someone a little nervous that Nash looks totally lost and also that despite having the best defensive player in the league (Howard), they have a defensive efficiency of 111 against 2 teams that at best would be thought to have average offenses. One of them even gave significant playing time to Eddy Curry.

    I’m sure we’ll all laugh about this when they’re 31-2 in midseason, but it looked pretty ugly last night.

    Re: Denver – I didn’t see any of the game at all, but you have to be impressed with Philly’s D. How did they shut down the running game? Did they just forget about O-boards and run back, or did they foul on any run out? Feels like that would be effective against Denver, just like it was at times against Team USA. We’ve seen Prigioni do that a few times already to stop fast breaks in the preseason when the Knicks aren’t yet in the penalty.

  41. Frank

    Meanwhile, I totally get why the NBA canceled the game tonight, but MAN was I looking forward to it. I don’t feel good about playing Miami for game 1 – would’ve been nicer to get our feet wet before jumping into the Marianas Trench.

  42. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    ruruland:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/farieke01/gamelog/2012/

    Last night was worst offensive game in Faried’s short career. Not coincidentally, it was the same game in which he had the highest fga per 36 in his career. Not coincidentally, it was on a team that is asking him to shoot more because it lacks shot creation.

    Also, Nuggets hadn’t been held to under 80 points in almost four years.

    WOW

    I like how you think that the number of shots a player takes is commensurate to his ability to “create” his own shot. Why don’t I just remind you that last night James Harden had slightly higher efficiency than he did last year, but with a 50% increase in usage?

    You assume that Faried’s play last year maximized his efficiency, yet you assume that other players, like Amar’e and Carmelo, were not maximized? Do you see the ridiculous egoism in this double standard? You think that Faried is limited, so you say that he’s being used at his most efficient — that the possessions he uses to score are the only possessions he could use to achieve that level of production. Yet when someone like Harrington chucks up an iso 16-footer, does that mean that the other players on the floor could not have used those possessions productively?

    And further, if Faried is turning would-be turnovers (def. rebounds) into putback points, isn’t he a shot creator himself?

  43. thenamestsam

    Frank:

    Re: Denver – I didn’t see any of the game at all, but you have to be impressed with Philly’s D.How did they shut down the running game? Did they just forget about O-boards and run back, or did they foul on any run out?Feels like that would be effective against Denver, just like it was at times against Team USA.We’ve seen Prigioni do that a few times already to stop fast breaks in the preseason when the Knicks aren’t yet in the penalty.

    I watched the first half before other games I wanted to watch started, and they mostly stopped the running game through Denver’s sloppiness. Large chunks of the first half were like a poorly played rec-league game, where Philly wouldn’t get back and Denver would have a 3 on 2, but turn it over, just so Philly could get a 3 on 2 the other way which they would turn over.

    There are legitimate concerns for Denver which Ruru has articulated well, the biggest of which in my opinion, is a lack of floor spacing, especially when Gallo is out. They were getting tons of touches around the rim, but Philly’s defense was sagging way down and Denver couldn’t make them pay. But it was largely just a flukey game to my eyes where a new team just can’t quite find their feet. I think they’ll still be quite good offensively going forward, but they do need Gallo to be healthy.

  44. Juany8

    Everyone needs to wait a while before making judgements about any of the teams, Harden looked great but I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if Kevin Martin came out tomorrow and had something ridiculous like 20 points on 7 field goal attempts lol. The pistons have an awful backcourt and their front court sucks at defense, I’m more interested to see how Harden handles hard traps from teams like Miami and the Celtics than in how many wide open 3’s he can make when the teammate playing next to him goes 5-6 on 3’s lol

  45. Frank

    Juany8:
    Everyone needs to wait a while before making judgements about any of the teams, Harden looked great but I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if Kevin Martin came out tomorrow and had something ridiculous like 20 points on 7 field goal attempts lol. The pistons have an awful backcourt and their front court sucks at defense, I’m more interested to see how Harden handles hard traps from teams like Miami and the Celtics than in how many wide open 3?s he can make when the teammate playing next to him goes 5-6 on 3?s lol

    Yeah, I watched a fair amount of that game and it is striking how terrible Detroit’s PNR defense is, and how many times they just left Harden wide open helping on other guys. They were 25th in defense last year, didn’t add any defensive players of note (Drummond doesn’t count), and it showed last night.

    Still – 37/12/whatever is pretty awesome no matter what NBA team you’re playing against. I’m looking forward to watching HOU vs MEM in a few days – Conley vs Lin and Tony Allen vs Harden will be awesome.

    Re: League Pass free trial – I just downloaded the app for iOS and I can’t seem to get any replays of games. Anyone else have this issue? Has it actually worked for live games?

  46. Juany8

    Frank: Yeah, I watched a fair amount of that game and it is striking how terrible Detroit’s PNR defense is, and how many times they just left Harden wide open helping on other guys.They were 25th in defense last year, didn’t add any defensive players of note (Drummond doesn’t count), and it showed last night.

    Still – 37/12/whatever is pretty awesome no matter what NBA team you’re playing against. I’m looking forward to watching HOU vs MEM in a few days – Conley vs Lin and Tony Allen vs Harden will be awesome.

    Re: League Pass free trial – I just downloaded the app for iOS and I can’t seem to get any replays of games. Anyone else have this issue? Has it actually worked for live games?

    I don’t know if replays of games are actually allowed under the free trial. Couldn’t tell you for sure.

    As far as Harden, what really stood out to me were the 12 assists more than the scoring (I’ve seen Martin put up games of over 40 points in less than 20 FG’s twice!) but even then, everyone was being left open either on the perimeter or the lane. It’s hard to describe how utterly inept Detroit was at defense, when they weren’t leaving the 3 point line wide open they were giving up open dunks. Awful defenses have made all kinds of players look like superstars, although I do think Harden will end up being worth the money, even if I’d still rather have Westbrook, the Rockets backcourt was almost as bad defensively as the Pistons….

  47. Frank

    Juany8: Awful defenses have made all kinds of players look like superstars, although I do think Harden will end up being worth the money

    Yeah, if even just from the efficiency and L-handedness, Harden is like a 23 year old Ginobili (although Manu is much better on D). And there’s no doubt a 23 year old Ginobili would be worth the max.

  48. Juany8

    On a side note as a Rockets fan, it’s crazy how quickly everyone jumped on Harden’s bandwagon. Yes he had an absolutely incredible game to start the season, but am I the only one who remembers Brandon Jennings putting up 55 points in his 7th game in the league, on like a .700 TS%? (right after he put up 32 and 9 in his 6th game, again on impressive efficiency) People literally asked, how many rookies could put up back to back 30 and 50 point games? He was a surefire superstar in the making!!!! Landry Fields went from getting John Havlicek comparisons and being considered a top 10 player by some models to an absolute wreck, and how many people said that after 40-50 games or so, the production obviously wasn’t a fluke?

    If Harden bombs the next game and Kevin Martin puts up 30 points by getting easy shots off of Westbrook and Durant, everyone will be writing headlines about how Presti is a genius and how Harden only does well against crappy defenses…

  49. thenamestsam

    Juany,

    I think the Harden-Jennings/Fields comparison is a little unfair. It’s not like Harden has no track record. He’s a 23 year old who was already 26th in NBARank this offseason. It’s silly to draw conclusions off of one game one way or the other, but there’s a large body of evidence suggesting that Harden is already an outstanding NBA player with plenty of room left for growth. This one game just adds to that evidence. Also thought it was interesting to note that his 12 assists last night were more than Westbrook had in any game last year. My point being that yes, the Pistons are very bad, but they’re still an NBA team, and guys very, very rarely post statlines like that in the NBA, regardless of the competition.

  50. Juany8

    thenamestsam:
    Juany,

    I think the Harden-Jennings/Fields comparison is a little unfair. It’s not like Harden has no track record. He’s a 23 year old who was already 26th in NBARank this offseason. It’s silly to draw conclusions off of one game one way or the other, but there’s a large body of evidence suggesting that Harden is already an outstanding NBA player with plenty of room left for growth. This one game just adds to that evidence. Also thought it was interesting to note that his 12 assists last night were more than Westbrook had in any game last year. My point being that yes, the Pistons are very bad, but they’re still an NBA team, and guys very, very rarely post statlines like that in the NBA, regardless of the competition.

    Oh I fully think he’s worth the contract the Rockets gave him, I just don’t think he’s going to be a top 5 player the rest of the season lol. My point was that this one game doesn’t even wash away his putrid Finals performance, and Kevin Martin hasn’t even played! I still want to see how he does against a team that realizes it’s supposed to guard 3 point shooters before making judgements.

  51. Juany8

    Perhaps a better comparison would be Amar’e after he left the Suns, how excited was the media by Amar’es big streak of 30 point games? Did any Knicks fan watch that stretch thinking the team would be better off a year later when Amar’e was hurt (the one constant of both Linsanity and the Melo at PF end of the season runs was that Amar’e wasn’t there) I don’t think Harden is going to get worse over the life of the contract, but I’d like to watch a full season (or even half a season) of him as the leading option on a team before I start saying he’s the best shooting guard in the league

  52. ruruland

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: I like how you think that the number of shots a player takes is commensurate to his ability to “create” his own shot. Why don’t I just remind you that last night James Harden had slightly higher efficiency than he did last year, but with a 50% increase in usage?

    You assume that Faried’s play last year maximized his efficiency, yet you assume that other players, like Amar’e and Carmelo, were not maximized? Do you see the ridiculous egoism in this double standard? You think that Faried is limited, so you say that he’s being used at his most efficient — that the possessions he uses to score are the only possessions he could use to achieve that level of production. Yet when someone like Harrington chucks up an iso 16-footer, does that mean that the other players on the floor could not have used those possessions productively?

    And further, if Faried is turning would-be turnovers (def. rebounds) into putback points, isn’t he a shot creator himself?

    ill bet you any amount of money that Hardens efficiency will go down this year from last.

    I dont think Faried’s efficiency was maximized last year. In order for Faried’s efficiency to be maximized, he’ll need to play under a coach who demands he only shoots dunks on cuts, pick and rolls and put backs. If he’s three feet from the hoop on a smaller defender, he’ll need to pass the ball and out and restart the offense.

    I’m not arguing from a double standard at all. Faried is now in a position to take more shots because there is less shot creation on the floor. Would it help him if he was playing with a better PnR poInt guard? Of course, but I happen to think Andre Miller and Ty Lawson fit Faried’s game well. Would it benefit Faried’s efficiency if he there were better and more shot creators on the floor? That’s the whole point.

    Cont …..

  53. thenamestsam

    Juany8:
    Perhaps a better comparison would be Amar’e after he left the Suns, how excited was the media by Amar’es big streak of 30 point games? Did any Knicks fan watch that stretch thinking the team would be better off a year later when Amar’e was hurt (the one constant of both Linsanity and the Melo at PF end of the season runs was that Amar’e wasn’t there) I don’t think Harden is going to get worse over the life of the contract, but I’d like to watch a full season (or even half a season) of him as the leading option on a team before I start saying he’s the best shooting guard in the league

    Ah, okay. Very fair points. I agree that there definitely tends to be a rush to judgement no matter which way things go, and that avoiding that is definitely a good thing. Houston isn’t going to be very good, but that team is going to be damn fun to watch.

  54. ruruland

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: You think that Faried is limited, so you say that he’s being used at his most efficient — that the possessions he uses to score are the only possessions he could use to achieve that level of production. Yet when someone like Harrington chucks up an iso 16-footer, does that mean that the other players on the floor could not have used those possessions productively?

    And further, if Faried is turning would-be turnovers (def. rebounds) into putback points, isn’t he a shot creator himself?

    Also, I’m clearly not arguing that a players shot totals is commensurate with his ability.
    I’m arguing the opposite. Faried’s uptick in shot total will be more a function of the decrease in shot creation around him, not an increase in his skill level. But regardless of skill increase, any player who goes from shooting just dunks to shooting other shots and dunks will have an efficiency decrease.

    One of the reasons Melo will have a career year this season is point guard playmaking.
    No double standard from me.
    But, again, it’s this conceptual issue with how WoW misinterprets statistics.

    You put five Farieds on the court for a full game, and the average Faried will suffer huge declines in scoring efficiency.

    The non-hypothetical Nuggets, this years team compared to last years team, is a less extreme version of the hypothetical.

    Faried is going to be asked to do more and ge may even help his team more than last season, but he will appear through wins produced to be worse this season.

    Players like Melo and Amare have significantly more skill and a far wider range of scoring talents,many of which are highly influenced by teammates, so, yes just as in the case of Faried, efficiency will fluctuate on external factors.

  55. ruruland

    thenamestsam: Ah, okay. Very fair points. I agree that there definitely tends to be a rush to judgement no matter which way things go, and that avoiding that is definitely a good thing. Houston isn’t going to be very good, but that team is going to be damn fun to watch.

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    I think Houston will be above .500 and in the fight for spots 6-8.

    Harden is a great player, and he'll prove it, but he's not obviously going to put up lines like last night all that often.

    Teams will begin to show really hard on him screen and rolls and start adjusting their defenses to him being one of the games elite offensive talents, but more importantly, they will adjust their defenses because Harden is the primary producer of the first team.

    Ultimately this will benefit Hardens teammates even if it doesn't directly show up in Hardens stat sheet.

  56. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    ruruland: ill bet you any amount of money that Hardens efficiency will go down this yearfrom last.

    I dont think Faried’s efficiency was maximized last year. In order for Faried’s efficiency to be maximized, he’ll need to play under a coach who demands he only shoots dunks on cuts, pick and rolls and put backs. If he’s three feet from the hoop on a smaller defender, he’ll need to pass the ball and out and restart the offense.

    I’m not arguing from a double standard at all. Faried is now in a position to take more shots because there is less shot creation on the floor. Would it help him if he was playing with a better PnR poInt guard? Of course, but I happen to think Andre Miller and Ty Lawson fit Faried’s game well. Would it benefit Faried’s efficiency if he there were better and more shot creators on the floor? That’s the whole point.

    Cont …..

    http://www.82games.com/1112/11DEN12.HTM

    Actually, he’s an excellent jump shooter. .520 eFG% on jumpers.

  57. Bruno Almeida

    Harden’s line was the 4th such performance by a player in the last 25 years, with only Bird, Jordan and Wade doing it too…

    and who cares if it was against the Pistons? first of all, it’s not like the Pistons are the Bobcats; and Wade did it against the Wizards, who were 19th in defensive efficiency, and nobody mentions that also, because it doesn’t matter.

  58. thenamestsam

    Ruru,

    We’re mostly on the same page although I think you like them a bit more than I do. By not very good I meant somewhere in the 35-40 win range which I think could potentially get them in the picture for the 8th seed if things go well and they hit their upside. I think they’re still a guy or two short of being in the 45-48 win range that you need for the 8th seed. Long term they shouldn’t have trouble finding those couple guys since they have a bunch of nice young players still and plenty of cap space, but I’d be surprised if they dipped into their assets to try to add that guy this year at some point, and I think the young guys may not be ready enough now to give them the production they need.

    Their second and third bigs last night were Marcus Morris and Greg Smith (Never heard of this guy before last night). Asik was very good last night and 33 minutes, 2 fouls is a very good sign going forward, but I’m just not sure 6th seed in the West is possible with so little frontcourt depth.

  59. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    thenamestsam:
    Ruru,

    We’re mostly on the same page although I think you like them a bit more than I do. By not very good I meant somewhere in the 35-40 win range which I think could potentially get them in the picture for the 8th seed if things go well and they hit their upside. I think they’re still a guy or two short of being in the 45-48 win range that you need for the 8th seed. Long term they shouldn’t have trouble finding those couple guys since they have a bunch of nice young players still and plenty of cap space, but I’d be surprised if they dipped into their assets to try to add that guy this year at some point, and I think the young guys may not be ready enough now to give them the production they need.

    Their second and third bigs last night were Marcus Morris and Greg Smith (Never heard of this guy before last night). Asik was very good last night and 33 minutes, 2 fouls is a very good sign going forward, but I’m just not sure 6th seed in the West is possible with so little frontcourt depth.

    Millsap is a UFA next season. Houston should be able to offer a near max deal to him, and they could turn into a serious contender with all those young players under contract for the following three seasons. Josh Smith is also an option, and of course, Jeremy Lin could be used to trade for Chris Paul in a sign-and-trade. Houston’s future is awfully bright, even if the West is stacked right now. The Lakers have a very small window and the Spurs are going to feel the loss of Duncan and Manu once they hit the age wall.

  60. knicknyk

    Chris Paul is not going to be traded from the Clippers to the Rockets it just isn’t happening. The Clippers have a really good team CP3 isn’t leaving LA. Odd that fans think he will come to NY or go to Houston of all places.

  61. Eric Chen

    “one constant of both Linsanity and the Melo at PF end of the season runs was that Amar’e wasn’t there”:
    A point I repeat often to fellow Lin fans who are anti-Melo is that Lin and Anthony would have eventually found their fit as natural G/F complements, and the jagged fit was Stoudemire and Anthony.

    Lin’s point total against the Pistons was just okay, due in part to deferring to Harden getting his, but Lin played a solid floor game at PG and put up a healthy stat line. Lin was open a lot on the weak side in the 4Q while Harden was going off. Against better defenses, I expect Harden will swing the ball more to Lin for scores. It’s not like the Rockets have alternative creative scorers to Harden and Lin.

    “I’m just not sure 6th seed in the West is possible with so little frontcourt depth.”:
    True, frontcourt and depth are the big question marks for the Rockets. Their Fs struggled last night. However, Patrick Patterson, their 3rd-year starting PF, did not play due to a sprain (I think). And their top rookies at F, Terrence Jones and Dontas Montejunas (probably misspelled), sat out, too. I think McHale deliberately chose to play his relatively more-experienced Fs (Morris, Smith, Parsons, Delfino) over his rookie Fs in game 1, perhaps due to lack of practice time with Harden.

    Spurs: As much as I admire that team and expect them to excel in the regular season again, their play-off run will end early again due to Duncan and Ginobili slowing down with age and wear and tear. They simply don’t have their championship-winning extra gears anymore.

    Lakers: I’m not a believer. Even if/when they get their offense straightened out, old-and-slow Nash/Bryant are a sieve in the backcourt on defense. That’s a fatal flaw. Their bench is weak, too, not good when the starters are old. I think the Lakers will need a Phil Jackson-caliber coach to turn them into legit contenders.

  62. Plasnick

    After going through the Knicks, Nets, & Barclays Center schedules, the best reschedule date in the near future for today’s game appears to be Monday, November 26. Both teams have no game on Saturday, an afternoon home game on Sunday, and a day off on Tuesday. If it is not played on that date, the first game between the two teams will likely be their next scheduled matchup on December 11.

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