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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Oct 10 2012)

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Wallace came back to put on post clinic (Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:57:36 -0500)
    Rasheed Wallace, the newest member of the Knicks, still is not certain when he will practice, much less play. But he says the veteran-laden team is every bit as good as the Celtics or even the defending NBA champion Heat, and if healthy it will prove it.
    “We’re already…

  • [New York Post] Woodson wants J.R. as a â??bench’ presser (Wed, 10 Oct 2012 00:15:35 -0500)
    Days after J.R. Smith said he would prefer to start instead of coming off the bench, Knick coach Mike Woodson said the mercurial shooting guard should brace for a role as a sixth man â?? and told him as much.With Iman Shumpert recovering from knee surgery and Ronnie Brewer…

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson likes Smith as Knicks 6th man (Wed, 10 Oct 2012 03:11:45 GMT)
    Manu Ginobili is a superstar who doesn’t start and James Harden was instrumental as a sixth man in helping Oklahoma City reach the NBA Finals last season. That was part of the argument Mike Woodson made to J.R. Smith, who could easily start at shooting guard for the Knicks, except for the fact that the head coach sees Smith’s real value as a backup.

  • 46 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Oct 10 2012)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      I noticed alot of…”heavy debate” that looked like infighting yesterday about projected TS% an WS an all those advanced metrics that I undfortunately am not well versed in. I’m like an old school scout..I see what guys can and can’t do well on the court and I base my expectations off of that. Here’s what I see:
      1) Better floor generals than last season
      2) Better shooting than last season (especially if Shurna sticks)
      3) Better defense in the paint and out on the perimeter than last season.
      Add that to our starting frontcourt and that’s a much better season no matter which way u slice it. The X Factors are, as always, health and coaching. I think it was ruru who was tryina point out how much better Melo has played with better PG play on the last thread. I agree. Melo WAS better with better PG play..except for the one great season he had with AI because he attacked the offensive glass and got more easy buckets that way. Melo is a much better finisher and scorer than a facilitator. He can pass, but we are much better when he’s in attack mode. I accept that. I’ve always said that no one attacks Kobe’s flaws the way they attack Melo’s flaws because Kobe has had the greatest teammates and coaching to maximize his efforts and he won 5 rings that way. People need to stop acting like Kobe or MJ carried their teams alone. No..they were by far the best players, but the combination of supporting cast and coaching makes what Melo has had pale in comparison. I’m not trying to insinuate that Melo is overall on their level, but in today’s NBA he is just as deadly a scorer. Anyway..this should be the season Melo takes advantage of his skill and squad and shows how much better an all around player he can be with better teammates. At least thas what I hope.

    2. SeeWhyDee77

      Now in Stat’s case…I think he has enough athleticism left to be an outstanding post threat. He seems healthy and willing. He’s got the size and shooting ability. The most important thing for him is defense and rebounding. I’m not worried about how he does on offense because he has 3 good floor generals out there to get him the ball. I think he can improve on defense by learning from Chandler, Kurt, and Sheed…Camby too but Camby’s more of a weakside guy. As a matter of fact, I think that will happen. Biggest question with him is can he accept not being the 1st option. MJ got away with playing without a strong post presence because he no one was even close to him. But almost every other team won a chip with a post presence. We need him to do that and balance out the dominance of Melo. If he can settle for an efficient 20 and 10 with the pieces around him, I think this team would be near unstoppable. Stat’s problems are in his head not in his ability. He, like Melo, plays much better with steady PG play. Chandler too. Those are our best players..and with the expected increase of the quality of PG play this season- we’ll be fine. I just hope Woodson uses his guys properly. He didn’t really have strong floor generals in ATL so Joe Johnson became his facilitator..hence his reliance on iso ball. I don’t see that happening with Felton, Kidd and Prigs in tow..those guys are too good of passers to have that happen.

    3. Frank

      Worrisome tweet by Hahn:

      “@obeech1989: @alanhahn you’ve seen him up close… does Amar’e look like his old self?” Yes/no. Amazingly fit, but not nearly as explosive.

      Whatever. It’s not even the season yet so we’ll see. But Hahn is pretty much right on with most things.

      Re: Melo – looks like someone seriously went to PR school this offseason. Not sure whether Lebron or others at the Olympics finally got in his head about saying all the stupid stuff he has said over the last few years. The way to NY fans’ hearts is to perform, but also just keep your head down and tell people what they want to hear a la one Derek Jeter. Or Eli. As a Jets fan, you can start to see how Rex’s act got old in a hurry when the wheels started to fall off.

    4. flossy

      What is “his old self?” If the news is that he’s not as explosive as he was when he was 23, well, duh. If he looks less explosive than last year, we’ve got a real problem. I do think part of the reason he spend so much time working with Hakeem is in recognition of the fact that he’s past the point in his career where he can just blow past/jump over everyone.

    5. Frank O.

      If you’re worried about your back giving out, you’re going to be less explosive….

      On another point, I have always been a bit ambivalent about Rasheed Wallace. I have seen games where he has been a killer and games where his head isn’t in it, but I have to say I was heartened to hear what he had to say about players today and footwork and low post work. Spot on.
      There are only a few guys who play the low post very well. The rest feels like a circus act. I too have found college ball fundamentally more sound and pleasing as a team sport.
      A lot of standing around and watching the stars go it alone in the NBA. The few teams that play together, even with limited talent, are more interesting to watch. I loved watching the 76ers, Denver and to a lesser degree Oklahoma last year. And the Spurs were sublime.
      I think it was why I loved watching the pre-Melo trade Knicks. They were young, vibrant, and the ball was moving. They hadn’t yet matured, made mistakes, had some structural issues, but they played together and you could see that a base was forming. I also enjoyed Linsanity, when a bunch of subs and stars-come-lately really played hard and well together.
      Then we became an ISO team masquerading as a SSOL team, which is fine, I guess, but radically different than the teams we had grown to appreciate, flaws and all, because they appeared to be trying to play “the right way.”
      If the Knicks become a more cohesive unit this year, and with a preseason and less truncated schedule, I will be thrilled. I hope the ball moves and doesn’t just stop. I still believe Amare will be a .600 TS% guy, but a lot rests with Felton. I think we’re a top four team in the East, if we can stay healthy.

    6. Frank O.

      If what Wallace is trying to do is to turn this into the Chuck Taylor Knicks, a throwback tough team from a bygone era, where ball movement and stout defense is king, where foul shots are not frittered away, and hard fouls are dealt, while strong post moves are delivered, book me a ticket. I’m all in.

    7. njasdjdh

      It’s hilarious that Rasheed chose to make that comment and Alan Hahn then chose to highlight considering Wallace spent 99% of his Celtics tenure running from 3 point line to 3 point line chucking up bricks. Pot meet kettle.

    8. Nick C.

      That’s funny about Sheed. At Portland AIRI he was criticized for shooting jumpers instead of using that post game, but then again he could be talking about defense.

    9. SeeWhyDee77

      This has nothing to do with our Knicks..but..I am so sick and tired of the MJ/LeBron comparisons. Are people serious with this?? LBJ’s a flat out beast but he will NEVER compare to MJ. LBJ’s stats look nice..but MJ’s are better if only by a smidgen. And to top it off, MJ is 6-0 in the finals!!! LBJ? 1-2. Even Kobe lost twice. IMO, Bron will get close..but even if he wins 10 rings (which won’t happen becuz hopefully a hungry Melo is in his way) he won’t compare not only becuz of the 2 L’s, but he had to go to a team with 2 OTHER #1 OPTIONS TO GET HIS 1ST ONE!! Granted, Mike had Scottie..but Scottie was more of the perfect # as opposed to bein an elite #1. And there’s no doubt that Wade is an elite #1 and you can argue that Bosh is one as well. I love LeBron..but not enough to compare him to MJ. He’s got the tools, sure. Physically? Yup…better than MJ..but even still not by much. OK i’m done ranting..I now return u to your regularly scheduled Knick comments lol

    10. SeeWhyDee77

      SeeWhyDee77:
      Granted, Mike had Scottie..but Scottie was more of the perfect # as opposed to bein an elite #1.

      oops…I forgot to put 2 in there. Perfect #2 as opposed to bein an elite #1.

    11. njasdjdh

      SeeWhyDee77:
      This has nothing to do with our Knicks..but..I am so sick and tired of the MJ/LeBron comparisons. Are people serious with this?? LBJ’s a flat out beast but he will NEVER compare to MJ. LBJ’s stats look nice..but MJ’s are better if only by a smidgen. And to top it off, MJ is 6-0 in the finals!!! LBJ? 1-2. Even Kobe lost twice. IMO, Bron will get close..but even if he wins 10 rings (which won’t happen becuz hopefully a hungry Melo is in his way) he won’t compare not only becuz of the 2 L’s, but he had to go to a team with 2 OTHER #1 OPTIONS TO GET HIS 1ST ONE!! Granted, Mike had Scottie..but Scottie was more of the perfect # as opposed to bein an elite #1. And there’s no doubt that Wade is an elite #1 and you can argue that Bosh is one as well. I love LeBron..but not enough to compare him to MJ. He’s got the tools, sure. Physically? Yup…better than MJ..but even still not by much. OK i’m done ranting..I now return u to your regularly scheduled Knick comments lol

      It’s highly unlikely LeBron ever surpasses him, but people are going to compare them because LeBron is the best player since him.

    12. jon abbey

      cgreene:
      Lin still not at full strength.I think his long term health is an issue.

      I’ve been saying that since the peak of Linsanity, he will never be healthy for a full 82 games unless he drastically changes his style of play and I’m not sure that’s possible.

    13. cgreene

      knicknyk: This is a non story. The Rockets beat writer said that he is playing starter minutes tonight against OKC. If his knee was that big of an issue they would rest him like philly did with Bynum or Miami with Wade.

      Lin himself is quoted in the article saying he is not playing big preseason minutes.

    14. Gideon Zaga

      Interesting Discussion on Twitter.

      “@CoupNBA: Related: Knicks used the highest percentage of isolations on offense, and faced the highest percentage of isolations on defense (Synergy).”

      “@CoupNBA: Plenty of explanations, but that partly suggests that New York’s iso-style was so pervasive, opponents were frequently drawn into it.”

      This Actually makes sense. I remember Dantoni in 2011 arguing about his atrocious defense stating the fact that his offensive scheme is one that created flow due to pace and ball movement. Although his team got into rhythm, this flow was so contagious that the opposing team got into rhythm as well. Explains why NY would jump to early leads against opponents and then lose it by the 4th quarter. Remember the Boston games. Conversely this is also true for Iso type offenses, the more you iso and are successful at it, the opposing team gets into a whatever u can do I can do better mindset. Of course it’s a lose argument but interesting enough. This implies that this will work great on teams without good isolation players and bad against say the Lakers or Clippers. Same applies to the high octane offenses. Just an observation.

    15. Z-man

      jon abbey: I’ve been saying that since the peak of Linsanity, he will never be healthy for a full 82 games unless he drastically changes his style of play and I’m not sure that’s possible.

      I’m with you, dude.

    16. Z-man

      And that is separate and apart from the question of whether he is a $8 million per year player (or for Dolan, potentially a $24 million per year player.)

    17. knicknyk

      cgreene: Lin himself is quoted in the article saying he is not playing big preseason minutes.

      Lin also said that Melo was the one who vouched for him to play & MDA later denied that lol. Anyway, McHale said that “he is going to give the starters over 20 minutes, question is, is it closer to 30 or 20 minutes & he wants to give the starters a good run to see where there at against OKC starters”. These are the coaches actual words in a interview.

    18. njasdjdh

      Gideon Zaga: Conversely this is also true for Iso type offenses, the more you iso and are successful at it, the opposing team gets into a whatever u can do I can do better mindset.

      IIRC, we had the lowest FG% out of ISO last year. Could be wrong, can someone with Synergy verify?

    19. Gideon Zaga

      Like I said it’s a lose argument. It’s quite redundant against team with good iso scorers. Anyway I love the variance of our offensive scheme. So far I’ve heard, post, pnr and iso. We live to see. And I hope Woody went to in game management and adjustment school. Dantoni for all his flaws and although not great at it was at least better with adjustments.

    20. ruruland

      njasdjdh: IIRC, we had the lowest FG% out of ISO last year. Could be wrong, can someone with Synergy verify?

      Synergy is down but the Knicks IIRC were actually pretty good in isolation with Lin, Melo, Shumpert, and Amar’e in the top 150.

      Again though, Synergy doesn’t tell us how many of the isolation “sets” create spot-up shots. The Knicks took a lot of isolation shots, which is perhaps at least somewhat reflective of the fact that it lacked spot-up shooting for large portions of the season.

    21. njasdjdh

      ruruland: Synergy is down but the Knicks IIRC were actually pretty good in isolation with Lin, Melo, Shumpert, and Amar’e in the top 150.

      Again though, Synergy doesn’t tell us how many of the isolation “sets” create spot-up shots. The Knicks took a lot of isolation shots, which is perhaps at least somewhat reflective of the fact that it lacked spot-up shooting for large portions of the season.

      Thanks, this was the article I had in mind, so the numbers probably changed a lot by season’s end:

      http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/01/19/offense-at-fault-for-knicks-struggles/

    22. njasdjdh

      Player A: 13.5/3.8/6.7 w/3.6 TO, 1.8 STL and 38/29/79 shooting

      Player B: 10.8/3.8/7.2 w/2.8 TO, 1.8 STL and 39/33/80 shooting

      That’s PTS/REB/AST by the way.

    23. dr.mmfmf

      Watching this Rockets preseason game, in which the announcers claim Jeremy Lin is more of a combo scoring guard whereas Toney Douglas is a born distributor and pure point. Going to be a long season for them.

    24. knicknyk

      dr.mmfmf:
      Watching this Rockets preseason game, in which the announcers claim Jeremy Lin is more of a combo scoring guard whereas Toney Douglas is a born distributor and pure point. Going to be a long season for them.

      I watched the game and I died of laughter when he said that. But DWTDD had some good passes though. All in all a really raw team with some considerable talent. It was a fun game to watch.

    25. chrisk06811

      J Lin had 3 pts tonight in 20 mins. His M3P (missed 3′s percentage, a stat I just made up) was 100%, as bad as it gets. Dude is at 50% from the line so far this pre season. Had 3 turnovers in 20 mins. I’ve been up since 6AM, no turnovers. Ball don’t lie.

      This Douglas guy they have looked good, with 7 assistesses and 5 RB in 21 mins. maybe he’s a player. Should have kept him.

    26. ruruland

      knicknyk: I watched the game and I died of laughter when he said that. But DWTDD had some good passes though. All in all a really raw team with some considerable talent. It was a fun game to watch.

      You know, he was missing the burst tonight. I’d be a little concerned as a Rockets fan.

    27. BigBlueAL

      If any of Kidd/Camby/Kurt/Sheed turn out to be as good an old man signing as Raul Ibanez has been the Knicks are in good shape :-)

    28. knicknyk

      ruruland: You know, he was missing the burst tonight. I’d be a little concerned as a Rockets fan.

      Whose missing what burst? Also the rookie Jones as impressive between him & Nash today was a great day for basketball.

      And zman you tell me are you his doctor?

    29. BigBlueAL

      I did see on Twitter a RT of a quote from Lin talking about how his knee is still bothering him and not 100% yet which should be considered pretty worrisome.

    30. Z-man

      knicknyk: And zman you tell me are you his doctor?

      No, and I am also not one of those who said that meniscus injuries are minor and not a long-term concern.

    31. Juany8

      Brian Cronin:
      If Asik can finish like that with any regularity during the season, he’s going to be quite a steal for the Rockets.

      Lol for all the talk about Lin, I’m much more excited about Asik as a Rockets fan. He’s a defensive monster, and as long as he can at least run an effective pick and roll he’ll be acceptable on offense, which will easily justify the contract. I’ve been a big fan since his rookie year, I seriously think he’s the most fundamentally sound defender in the entire league

    32. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, exactly, all he needs to do is to be a competent offensive player and he’ll be an amazing pick-up for Houston. The question is, of course, can he be a competent offensive player? He looked good on that one play, at least.

    33. johnno

      Brian Cronin: If Asik can finish like

      You realize that you are talking about a 7′ tall professional athlete catching a ball and making an uncontested dunk that required him to jump about 9 inches off the ground, right? If he couldn’t “finish like that” it would be a pretty sad commentary on his basketball skills…

    34. Juany8

      johnno: You realize that you are talking about a 7? tall professional athlete catching a ball and making an uncontested dunk that required him to jump about 9 inches off the ground, right?If he couldn’t “finish like that” it would be a pretty sad commentary on his basketball skills…

      Johno, explain Darko then? It’s not about finishing totally uncontested layups, it’s about finishing somewhat contested at the rim, so that he can get putbacks and finish on a pick and roll with some pressure close by. If he has to stop himself, gather the ball, and go back up after the catch, he’s going to be next to useless on a pick and roll. I’m hoping for offensive competence past a Kendrick Perkins level lmao

    35. knicknyk

      Yes Asik was really impressive last night. Him & Lin had a good connection going on offensively. Asik is just so good at running the floor & his passing is nice & everybody knows how good he is defensively. Great signing by the rockets.

    36. johnno

      Juany8: Johno, explain Darko then? It’s not about finishing totally uncontested layups, it’s about finishing somewhat contested at the rim, so that he can get putbacks and finish on a pick and roll with some pressure close by. If he has to stop himself, gather the ball, and go back up after the catch, he’s going to be next to useless on a pick and roll. I’m hoping for offensive competence past a Kendrick Perkins level lmao

      The highlight that he was referring to was an uncontested shot. That’s all I was commenting on. I wasn’t saying anything about whether Asik can or can’t make a contested shot. If a 7′ guy can’t make an uncontested dunk — which even Darko and Jared Jeffries, can do –he doesn’t belong in the NBA. By the way, beautiful pass by Lin.

    37. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Brian Cronin:
      Yeah, exactly, all he needs to do is to be a competent offensive player and he’ll be an amazing pick-up for Houston. The question is, of course, can he be a competent offensive player? He looked good on that one play, at least.

      http://www.thenbageek.com/players/30-omer-asik

      In 1000 minutes in ’10-’11, he had a 1.62 PPS. That is beyond competent, even if his usage is limited. Last year was a huge fall-off, both in terms of FTA and TS%, but if his rookie year is any indication, he’s a steal for the Rockets.

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