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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Oct 02 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Pressure? There isn’t any on Bargnani here: Melo (Wed, 02 Oct 2013 02:54:46 GMT)
    When the Toronto Raptors drafted him with the top pick in 2006, Andrea Bargnani had a lot to live up to and he struggled, with injuries and expectations.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Westbrook Out 4 to 6 Weeks (Wed, 02 Oct 2013 04:29:15 GMT)
    Oklahoma City Thunder point guard Russell Westbrook will miss the first four to six weeks of the N.B.A. season after having arthroscopic surgery on his right knee.    

  • [New York Times] Nets, Before Taking a Shot, Share a Kumbaya Moment at Training Camp (Wed, 02 Oct 2013 02:31:26 GMT)
    The Nets opened preseason practice on Tuesday at Duke University with a new coach and seven new players.    

  • [New York Times] Well-Traveled Guard Offers the Knicks Direction (Wed, 02 Oct 2013 00:50:27 GMT)
    In his 10th N.B.A. season, point guard Beno Udrih is known for his leadership, selflessness and ability to run the team on the floor.    

  • 15 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Oct 02 2013)

    1. SeeWhyDee77

      LOL..Woodson says Bargnani will be alright defensively as long as he learns the rotations. I think it’s deeper than that. Here are my expectations should he start: 14ppg 7rpg 3apg 1bpg..on 50% shooting becuz he should get plenty open looks. I’ve been very pro-Bargnani on this roster because I love what his skillset adds to this roster, but the bottom line is there SHOULD be pressure on him to get at least 7 boards an 1 block a night. And thas only gonna happen if he becomes a more consistent defender. Remember how Eddy Curry could easily get 12 boards and 2 blocks (along with 25 points) if he was locked in? I feel the same way about Bargnani…sorta. Well in Bargnani’s case 9-10 board. Unfortunately for those 2 guys..the focus wasn’t there consistently. I think a frontcourt of Chandler-Bargnani-Melo is diverse enough to give a defense fits. Woodson and company just needs to find ways to fit that in the scheme.

    2. Nick C.

      SWD I sure hope he is locked in more often than Curry. In his three Knicks Seasons he had double figure rebounds 12, 18, and 2 times. Of those games he had 2 + blocks 5, 6 and 0 times and 0 blocks 4, 11 and 2 times. I don’t give a f about skill set this ain’t Olympic diving where degree of difficulty and style counts. He just better make his shots, not shoot stupid ass ones, stay with his man, box out.

    3. SeeWhyDee77

      Nick C.: SWD I sure hope he is locked in more often than Curry. In his three Knicks Seasons he had double figure rebounds 12, 18, and 2 times. Of those games he had 2 + blocks 5, 6 and 0 times and 0 blocks 4, 11 and 2 times. I don’t give a f about skill set this ain’t Olympic diving where degree of difficulty and style counts. He just better make his shots, not shoot stupid ass ones, stay with his man, box out.

      I agree..wholeheartedly

    4. johnno

      Interesting point — a lot of prognosticators are saying that the Knicks are going to win fewer games than last year because the Nets, Pacers and Bulls have all improved. But the Knicks went 4-8 against those teams last year, so their improvement shouldn’t have any impact at all on the Knicks win total (or, at the very, very worst, a 4 game impact).

    5. Donnie Walsh

      I think the Knicks are projected to be worse because of the age of the core contributors: Anthony, Chandler, Stoudemire, Felton, Bargnan, Smith. Theoretically, these players have all peaked and are not going to improve. But of course, in practice, that’s not necessarily a fact, as demonstrated by Carmelo Anthony having a career year last year. So, IF Anthony can have another career year, then the Knicks will improve. BUT, there’s a downside to that, because if Anthony has a career year at the age of 30, he’s going to be encouraged by his agents to opt out for a long term max deal. So the Knicks are damned if they don’t, damned if they do this year.

    6. Glew

      I like to check the Vegas predictions more than ESPN, Vegas has our o/u set at 49.5 and nets 52.5 Pacers are 53.5 and bulls were like 55.5 I believe.

    7. hotdamn

      So CDR is now on the training camp team. I don’t know how I feel about it. Would you rather have a journeyman vet who has bounced around or someone like Toure Murry who could have a little more potential and he’s 2 years younger.

    8. Hubert

      Glew:
      I like to check the Vegas predictions more than ESPN, Vegas has our o/u set at 49.5 and nets 52.5 Pacers are 53.5 and bulls were like 55.5 I believe.

      Good ones. I’d go over on the Knicks, under on the Nets, over for the Pacers and Bulls.

    9. ruruland

      Donnie Walsh:
      BUT, there’s a downside to that, because if Anthony has a career year at the age of 30, he’s going to be encouraged by his agents to opt out for a long term max deal. So the Knicks are damned if they don’t, damned if they do this year.

      Logic

    10. dtrickey

      hotdamn:
      So CDR is now on the training camp team. I don’t know how I feel about it. Would you rather have a journeyman vet who has bounced around or someone like Toure Murry who could have a little more potential and he’s 2 years younger.

      It’s an interesting signing, especially considering how deep we already are at the 2. He’s a decent shooter (see NJ stint) so I guess it’s always handy to have another shooter on the roster. From what I understand attituide was always a problem, but he showed some flair for NJ so it will be interesting to see what he brings at camp. At this stage I’ve probably got Murry over CDR, only because he can handle the point a bit.

    11. massive

      So these guys are locks to make the 15 man roster:
      PG: Felton, Prigioni, Udrih
      SG: Shumpert, Smith, Hardaway
      SF: Anthony, World Peace,
      PF: Bargnani, Stoudemire
      C: Chandler, Martin

      That leaves 3 roster spots open. I’d say they’ll give one to Cole Aldrich just because he’s a big and capable body. His per minute rebounding rate is ideal for somebody who will likely see some time next to Bargnani.

      So that’s two roster spots for Lil Smith, Ike Diogu, CDR, CJ Leslie, Jeremy Tyler, Josh Powell, and Toure Murry. Seeing that CJ Leslie likely won’t be able to contribute readily yet, I’d say he gets stashed on our D League affiliate (the Erie Bayhawks?). Josh Powell is just a camp body. Jeremy Tyler is hurt, so I don’t see how he gets a roster spot.

      I think the last roster spot probably goes to whoever plays best between Toure Murry and Chris Douglas Roberts. I’d give the slight edge to CDR just because there is no room for another PG on this roster. Between Felton, Udrih, and Prigioni, we have three PGs that could all be starters in this league. Murry is essentially a worse version of Iman Shumpert.

      I think our opening day roster shakes out like this:
      PG: Felton*, Prigioni, Udrih
      SG: Shumpert*, Smith, Hardaway
      SF: Anthony*, World Peace, Douglas Roberts
      PF: Bargnani*, Stoudemire, Leslie
      C: Chandler, Martin, Aldrich

    12. Brian Cronin

      It’s going to be interesting to see how much the Thunder will struggle out of the gate. Man, talk about screwing over your fans. “Yeah, we’re just going to take a pass on replacing Kevin Martin.”

    13. Frank

      Donnie Walsh: So, IF Anthony can have another career year, then the Knicks will improve. BUT, there’s a downside to that, because if Anthony has a career year at the age of 30, he’s going to be encouraged by his agents to opt out for a long term max deal. So the Knicks are damned if they don’t, damned if they do this year.

      Yeah, I’ve pretty much pinned my hopes of the Knicks being a dominant team to Melo willfully taking a less-than-max contract so they can bring in more talent around him — a la Paul Pierce, LBJ/Wade/Bosh, Duncan, Dirk, etc.. Hopefully being a real contender means enough to Melo that he’s willing to forego the max. I wouldn’t blame him if he does hold out for the max, but that would be really disappointing.

    14. Owen

      Melo just wants to bring a title to New York. That’s all that matters to him. Just sign him through his age 35 season and you will see.

      It will all work out. Seriously. NBA players peak 30-35.

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