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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Mar 14 2012)

  • [New York Post] Source: Anthony, at odds with D’Antoni, plots Knicks exit (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:51:44 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony’s discontent with the Knicks organization became so severe after Monday night’s loss to the Bulls, he told a confidant he preferred to be traded before Thursday’s trade deadline, The Post has learned.
    According to a person familiar with his thinking, Anthony’s disillusionment stems most…

  • [New York Post] Up to Dolan to untangle mess (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:11:47 -0500)
    So Carmelo Anthony doesn’t care for Mike D’Antoni’s system, isn’t a fan of interim GM Glen Grunwald’s people skills, isn’t terribly fond of his New York experience as a whole.
    Have we left anything out? Is he
    unhappy with Mike Nichols’ presentation of “Death…

  • [New York Post] Bucks raise stakes, deal for Ellis (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:32:11 -0500)
    While the Knicks remained deathly dormant 48 hours before Thursday’s NBA trade deadline despite six straight defeats, the Bucks greatly enhanced their playoff prospects Tuesday by acquiring Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and immobilized Kwame Brown (shoulder surgery) from the Warriors for Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson.
    In other words…

  • [New York Post] Knicks in precarious playoff position (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:32:11 -0500)
    The Knicks have fallen out of playoff position with 24 games left, and the way they are imploding and Carmelo Anthony is feeling neglected, there is no assurance they will climb back in.
    The standings are now as bleak as the team’s spirit. The Knicks and Bucks are both…

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Rockets, With Late Rally, Edge the Thunder (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:10:11 GMT)
    Houston charged back from an 11-point deficit in the final three minutes to beat the Thunder, 104-103, on Tuesday night in Oklahoma City.

  • [New York Times] Big Win Brings New Future Philosophy for Howard (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:38:26 GMT)
    The Orlando Magic entered their third meeting with the Miami Heat shrouded in uncertainty because of the unknown status of their biggest star.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Acquire Ellis in Five-Player Trade With Warriors (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:33:35 GMT)
    The Milwaukee Bucks acquired Monta Ellis from the Golden State Warriors in a five-player swap between the teams on Tuesday as the NBA’s impending trade deadline loomed into sharp focus.

  • [New York Times] Obama, Cameron Catch ‘March Madness’ Basketball Game (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:42:46 GMT)
    President Barack Obama, America’s basketball fan-in-chief, treated British Prime Minister David Cameron to courtside seats for “March Madness” on Tuesday, taking him to an NCAA tournament game in the presidential election swing state of Ohio.

  • [New York Times] Kobe, Bynum Double Trouble for Grizzlies (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:54:39 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant’s partnership with Andrew Bynum continued to blossom on Tuesday as the Los Angeles duo carried the Lakers to a thrilling 116-111 double overtime victory over the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Beat Kings After Agreeing to Trade (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:08:52 GMT)
    On an emotional evening that marked the end of leading scorer Monta Ellis’ time in Golden State, the stunned Warriors did the unexpected: They played with considerable hustle and emotion.

  • [New York Times] Nene’s 22 Points Lifts Nuggets Past Hawks in OT (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:15:11 GMT)
    Nene scored 22 points, Ty Lawson had 21 points and seven assists and the Denver Nuggets rallied to beat the Atlanta Hawks 118-117 in overtime on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kobe, Bynum Carry Lakers Past Grizzlies in Double OT (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:40:08 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant’s partnership with Andrew Bynum continued to blossom on Tuesday as the Lakers duo carried Los Angeles to a thrilling 116-111 double overtime victory over the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • [New York Times] Bynum, Bryant Help Lakers Beat Grizzlies in 2 OTs (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:29:57 GMT)
    Andrew Bynum had 37 points and 16 rebounds, Kobe Bryant scored 22 of his 34 points after halftime and the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Memphis Grizzlies 116-111 in double overtime on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Get Much-Needed Win, 107-98 Over Wizards (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:54:35 GMT)
    Dirk Nowtizki scored 27 points, Jason Terry had 24 and the Dallas Mavericks got a much-needed victory, beating the Washington Wizards 107-98 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Charge Back Late, Beat Thunder 104-103 (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:05:54 GMT)
    With both their starting guards sitting out and no momentum at all after the All-Star break, the Houston Rockets got just the kind of victory they needed to break out of their second-half slide.

  • [New York Times] Magic Beat Heat, Howard Wants to Finish Season (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:03:34 GMT)
    First, the Orlando Magic earned one of their biggest victories of the season. Then Dwight Howard turned the tables on what has been the biggest player soap opera of this NBA regular season.

  • [New York Times] Amundson Leads Pacers Past Trail Blazers (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:51:13 GMT)
    Lou Amundson scored a career-high 21 points to help Indiana beat the Portland Trail Blazers 92-75 on Tuesday night, snapping the Pacers’ four-game losing streak.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Keeping Score: Bryant Has the Stats Of a Not-Quite-M.V.P. (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:52:49 GMT)
    Despite his sometimes gaudy statistics, the Los Angeles Lakers star is falling short of the most valuable player plateau.

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: Anthony’s Return Has Hurt the Knicks (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:00:10 GMT)
    There seem to be two factions on the Knicks: Carmelo Anthony, and everyone else.

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: In Orlando, Heavy Choices and Risks for Dwight Howard (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:10:11 GMT)
    Dwight Howard will face criticism if leaves the Magic, though he has helped maximize the franchise’s revenues over the last seven years.

  • [New York Times] Bucks Trade Jackson, Bogut to Warriors for Ellis (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:32:22 GMT)
    The Milwaukee Bucks traded Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson to the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday night for a three-player package headed by high-scoring guard Monta Ellis.

  • [New York Times] Raptors Trip Up Cavaliers 96-88 (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:36:19 GMT)
    Jerryd Bayless scored 20 points, Andrea Bargnani added 19 and Toronto slowed Cleveland’s playoff push with a 96-88 victory Tuesday night, the Raptors’ third over the Cavaliers this season.

  • [New York Times] Obama, Cameron Catch ‘March Madness’ Basketball Game (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:49:47 GMT)
    President Barack Obama, America’s basketball fan-in-chief, treated British Prime Minister David Cameron to courtside seats for “March Madness” on Tuesday, taking him to an NCAA tournament game in the presidential election swing state of Ohio.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Co-owner Levenson Dispels Smith Trade Rumors (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:32:24 GMT)
    The Atlanta Hawks have no plans to deal Josh Smith before Thursday’s deadline, according to their co-owner.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Tyson: We have to stay positive (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:00:58 EDT)
    Tyson Chanlder took some positives from the Knicks’ loss to Chicago on Monday. And he hopes the rest of his teammates did the same thing.
    “I think we all kind of understood that coming together this season, we may have bumps in the road whenever we face a team that has been together for a long time” Chandler said on Tuesday evening before he was honored at the Chabad Center for Jewish Discovery’s Founders Dinner Gala in Manhattan. “But the thing that we have to do is just stay positive.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Sources: D'An losing team; Melo a problem (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:50 EDT)
    ESPN NBA analyst Chris Broussard, quoting several sources, reported early Wednesday morning that the Knicks are tuning out Mike D’Antoni and Carmelo Anthony is hurting the team’s offense.
    Regarding D’Antoni, one source said, “The players like Mike as a person. They think he’s a good guy. But he doesn’t have the respect of the team anymore.”
    In addition to questioning D’Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.

  • [New York Daily News] Former Knicks coach Harter dead at 81 (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:57:14 GMT)
    Dick Harter, Knicks defensive coach under Pat Riley during the organization’s resurgence in the early ’90s, died on Monday in South Carolina. He was 81.

  • [New York Daily News] Tyson knows its not panic time for Knicks (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:49:55 GMT)
    The Knicks are in free-fall with six consecutive losses, and stars Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire expressing their frustrations after coming up short again Monday in Chicago.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo should be Trav-Lin out of MSG (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:42:19 GMT)
    In almost record time Carmelo Anthony has become a polarizing figure amongst fans, teammates and coaches. So it shouldn’t be any surprise that Anthony has created division within the ranks of Madison Square Garden’s top executives as well.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks need more than tough talk (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:40:09 GMT)
    They fought. They battled. In the end, all it got the Knicks Monday night was another loss and a tie for eighth place in the East’s playoff picture as their massive free fall continued.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo-for-Dwight is right way to go for Knicks (Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:14:35 GMT)
    The Knicks can keep trying to make the Lin-Melo experiment work, but the most logical solution, with the team in disarray and on a six-game losing streak, is for Jim Dolan to blow up the whole thing.

  • 125 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Mar 14 2012)

    1. Caleb

      Let the guessing begin: who is Broussard’s big source?
      a) Melo himself?
      b) Baron Davis?
      c) Tyson Chandler?
      c) ummmmm…..

    2. Jake S.

      Caleb:
      Let the guessing begin: who is Broussard’s big source?
      a) Melo himself?
      b) Baron Davis?
      c) Tyson Chandler?
      c) ummmmm…..

      e) yur momz

    3. misterma

      Howard Beck’s column today is pretty devastating:

      “The fact is, Anthony is not performing at a level that warrants more shots or self-indulgent play. He is shooting a career-low 40 percent from the field. The Knicks are 2-11 this season when he has 20 or more attempts.

      For the past 10 games, the Knicks have been demonstrably worse when Anthony plays. With Anthony on the court, the Knicks are scoring at a rate of 97.7 points per 100 possessions. When he is on the bench, that rating soars to 109.8.

      The contrast is just as sharp on defense: the Knicks give up 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the court, 95.1 with Anthony on the bench. His personal differential, a minus-9.4 rating, is the worst on the team in that 10-game stretch.”

    4. Caleb

      No doubt he’s been brutal. Harder question is: will he stay that way? Or will law of averages kick in? Can we afford to wait?

    5. Caleb

      And this from the Daily News says all you need to know about why our team is in hell:

      “… Dolan, the Chairman of Madison Square Garden and MSG President Scott O’Neil, who both played significant roles in bringing Anthony to New York.”

      https://www.facebook.com/OccupyMSG

    6. Frank

      Would be interesting to get ALL the individual +/- #s, not just the ones that make the most interesting link-bait. My sense is that at least a few guys on the team will have similarly bad #s (although Melo IS supposed to be the superstar).

      I’ve been preaching patience patience and have said a few times that Chandler is my favorite Knicks since the 90s, but Dolan HAS to pick up the phone and offer TC+Melo for Dwight and whoever. It just needs to be done, even if Orlando says no, and it has to be owner-to-owner, not through underlings so the leaks stay at a minimum. I’m frankly surprised that Orlando hasn’t called up the Knicks to offer the same thing. I’m not one for this fantasy basketball-type of wheeling and dealing, but as so many have said before, this IS Dwight Howard and it’s not like this team is so awesome right now anyway.

      I actually think Melo would be quite good in Orlando as the primary offensive option, with GREAT shooters around him (Redick, Anderson), an underrated PG in Jameer, and with Tyson.

    7. jon abbey

      Frank:
      Would be interesting to get ALL the individual +/- #s, not just the ones that make the most interesting link-bait.My sense is that at least a few guys on the team will have similarly bad #s (although Melo IS supposed to be the superstar).

      the Beck piece says that Melo’s are the worst in the last 10 games.

    8. thailandvc

      +1000 edge that in somewhere.

      i’m down for intelligent discourse but at some point its just intellectually dishonest to defend melo and downright spinning reality.

      misterma:
      Howard Beck’s column todayis pretty devastating:

      “The fact is, Anthony is not performing at a level that warrants more shots or self-indulgent play. He is shooting a career-low 40 percent from the field. The Knicks are 2-11 this season when he has 20 or more attempts.

      For the past 10 games, the Knicks have been demonstrably worse when Anthony plays. With Anthony on the court, the Knicks are scoring at a rate of 97.7 points per 100 possessions. When he is on the bench, that rating soars to 109.8.

      The contrast is just as sharp on defense: the Knicks give up 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the court, 95.1 with Anthony on the bench. His personal differential, a minus-9.4 rating, is the worst on the team in that 10-game stretch.”

    9. Owen

      “I know that’s a joke, but isn’t it sad that replacing Melo with LeBron raises our win expectations by 15?”

      Most awesome use of the trade machine ever….

      Whoever posted that photo of clyde and the Knicks celebrating on OccupyMsg is a genius….

    10. Owen

      “Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D’Antoni’s offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor — the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks’ ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D’Antoni’s offense.”

      This is my favorite thing from the article and something I have noticed this year. Melo isn’t confident enough in his three point shot….

    11. thailandvc

      “When Anthony first returned — and it still appears to be the case — Lin would bring the ball upcourt and try to run D’Antoni’s system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D’Antoni’s system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.”

    12. d-mar

      Feb. 23, 2011 NY Daily News back page:

      “HELLO MELO – Knicks finally land superstar Anthony in blockbuster deal”

      March 14, 2012 NY Post back page:

      “MELO WANTS OUT”

      You could not make this stuff up

    13. KJG

      what a morning… not that i expect much to happen but i have an anxious feeling… with this kind of drama, the “team” becomes a little more difficult to root for unfortunately.

      how about melo for turkoglu, nelson and a pick… forget dwight… longshot anyway… says we lose 3 wins… i dont believe it for a second!

    14. bobneptune

      from espn (broussard) this morning stating d’antoni must go. the piece says melo is intentionally sabotaging the offense, and somehow, in the minds of the “knicks gotta have melo at any price crowd” , it is d’antoni’s fault. lolz.

      somewhere in indiana, sipping on a snifter of cognac, donnie walsh is laughing his balls off.

      god i hope he writes a book someday…….

      “…..Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D’Antoni’s offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor — the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks’ ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D’Antoni’s offense.

      “That’s at the very core of our problem,” one person close to the situation said. “That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he’s got to trust the offense.”

      When Anthony first returned — and it still appears to be the case — Lin would bring the ball upcourt and try to run D’Antoni’s system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D’Antoni’s system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

      “But it’s just a mess because D’Antoni’s system is not designed for that,” one source said…..”

    15. Spree8

      thailandvc:
      “When Anthony first returned — and it still appears to be the case — Lin would bring the ball upcourt and try to run D’Antoni’s system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out.

      How old is he?

    16. Owen

      BTW, epic thread last night, late night at knickerblogger….

      And on a different note, I wonder how many arguments Warriors fans have had about Monta Ellis in the last five years and how the fan base feels about the trade last night. Apparently some players feel like management gave up on the season, while managament thinks they won’t be hurt much by it, if at all. Similar in some senses to what is going on in NYC.

      It’s certainly going to be another test case in the argument over high usage scorers. The Warriors seemed to survive without Ellis last night….

    17. KJG

      Owen: BTW, epic thread last night, late night at knickerblogger….And on a different note, I wonder how many arguments Warriors fans have had about Monta Ellis in the last five years and how the fan base feels about the trade last night. Apparently some players feel like management gave up on the season, while managament thinks they won’t be hurt much by it, if at all. Similar in some senses to what is going on in NYC. It’s certainly going to be another test case in the argument over high usage scorers. The Warriors seemed to survive without Ellis last night….

      seemed liked and extremely long “knicks morning news” comment section. i loved it.

    18. Brian Cronin

      I apologize, folks, it just occurred to me that I must be responsible for the losing streak. I haven’t started a game thread since the last Knick victory. And since Linsanity began, they’ve won all the games I started game threads for. My bad! I’ll start a game thread for the Portland game tonight and therefore, due to undeniable logic, they will win tonight.

    19. ephus

      Two separate and real problems:

      1. The Knicks are now engaged in a civil war in the press. When sources are going to Broussard (and I absolutely believe he has a source) saying that D’Antoni has lost the team, that is code for ‘Melo wants D’Antoni fired. When Howard Beck publishes his scathing review of ‘Melo, he appears to me to be saying to ‘Melo, who are you to be complaining, you have not carried your weight. I have a feeling that Mike Breen is going to end up one of the casualities here. Just like Marv Albert years earlier, he is calling out lack of effort and foolishi plays on the court (mostly by ‘Melo). I doubt that Team Dolan is going to let that pass.

      2. Milwaukee just seriously upgraded its talent for this year. Monta Ellis may not be a great long term fit next to Brandon Jennings, but he brings volume scoring to a team that needs it. Jackson and Bogut were not playing.

      All of a sudden, it seems highly possible that the Knicks miss the playoffs.

    20. thailandvc

      +1. I predict a win today.

      Brian Cronin:
      I apologize, folks, it just occurred to me that I must be responsible for the losing streak. I haven’t started a game thread since the last Knick victory. And since Linsanity began, they’ve won all the games I started game threads for. My bad! I’ll start a game thread for the Portland game tonight and therefore, due to undeniable logic, they will win tonight.

    21. KJG

      ephus:
      Two separate and real problems:

      1.The Knicks are now engaged in a civil war in the press.When sources are going to Broussard (and I absolutely believe he has a source) saying that D’Antoni has lost the team, that is code for ‘Melo wants D’Antoni fired.When Howard Beck publishes his scathing review of ‘Melo, he appears to me to be saying to ‘Melo, who are you to be complaining, you have not carried your weight.

      talk about awwwkward… Gotta be strange to play on this team right now… lets just say dantoni has the lost the team… has he lost all 14 guys…? i need more! or has he lost melo, Jr smith and one or two others…

    22. Owen

      “My bad! I’ll start a game thread for the Portland game tonight and therefore, due to undeniable logic, they will win tonight.”

      Tsk, tsk, Brian…..

      I also predict a win. Portland is playing the second game of a road back to back. Maybe a win will douse the flames, although I don’t know if that’s a good thing.

      My prediction re Ellis and Jennings. It will be an utter disaster. They are basically the same player. They will compete for shots and be at each others throats for control of the offense and the discord might help us in the playoff race.

      Of course, the addition of Ekpe Udoh, aka “Ekpe Udoh’s +/-”, aka the new no stat All-Star, might hurt….

    23. ess-dog

      thailandvc:
      The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D’Antoni’s system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.”

      This is exactly what the offense looks like!

    24. bobneptune

      ephus:
      Two separate and real problems:

      1.The Knicks are now engaged in a civil war in the press.When sources are going to Broussard (and I absolutely believe he has a source) saying that D’Antoni has lost the team, that is code for ‘Melo wants D’Antoni fired.

      someone should tell melo he ain’t no magic johnson. and, in an effort to shake up the league:

      http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7prozev

    25. Doug

      ephus: 1. The Knicks are now engaged in a civil war in the press. When sources are going to Broussard (and I absolutely believe he has a source) saying that D’Antoni has lost the team, that is code for ‘Melo wants D’Antoni fired. When Howard Beck publishes his scathing review of ‘Melo, he appears to me to be saying to ‘Melo, who are you to be complaining, you have not carried your weight. I have a feeling that Mike Breen is going to end up one of the casualities here. Just like Marv Albert years earlier, he is calling out lack of effort and foolishi plays on the court (mostly by ‘Melo). I doubt that Team Dolan is going to let that pass.

      This is officially the worst-case scenario I had feared after Melo came back. A proxy war in the press between pro-Melo and anti-Melo factions in the Knicks organization. Kill me now.

      hoolahoop:
      What a pathetic franchise.

      The Isiah years didn’t give you a hint? Here’s another: the one primarily responsible for everything shitty about this team is still here. (IT’S DOLAN)

    26. thailandvc

      can we just pick a side and be assertive. either your in or your out.

      i assume the anti-melo side is easier. it would just means getting melo in line. + we already know what we can do without melo. pro-melo side would mean changing the entire team to fit how melo wants it and possibly baron.

      Doug: This is officially the worst-case scenario I had feared after Melo came back. A proxy war in the press between pro-Melo and anti-Melo factions in the Knicks organization. Kill me now.

      The Isiah years didn’t give you a hint? Here’s another: the one primarily responsible for everything shitty about this team is still here. (IT’S DOLAN)

    27. Brian Cronin

      Also, not for nothing, but demanding a trade for the first time a couple of days before the trade deadline is pretty ridiculous in and of itself. It’s just a cry for attention.

    28. Frank

      I think it is time for one of the proverbial players-only meetings. Time for leaders to stand up, and by that I mean Tyson Chandler. I love Amare but he talks a good game and then doesn’t back it up with effort, and is having the worst season of his career. The only guy on the team that has the ring, the gravitas, the production to get these guys’ attention is Chandler. Time for him to stand up (assuming he hasn’t already).

      btw, regardless of Brian starting the game thread or not, I expect the Knicks to win tonight. They are not playing as badly as a 6 game losing streak would suggest, and Portland is as much a mess as we are and played last night.

    29. thailandvc

      please don’t diminish his glory/contribution with your logic.

      Frank:
      I think it is time for one of the proverbial players-only meetings. Time for leaders to stand up, and by that I mean Tyson Chandler. I love Amare but he talks a good game and then doesn’t back it up with effort, and is having the worst season of his career.The only guy on the team that has the ring, the gravitas, the production to get these guys’ attention is Chandler.Time for him to stand up (assuming he hasn’t already).

      btw, regardless of Brian starting the game thread or not, I expect the Knicks to win tonight.They are not playing as badly as a 6 game losing streak would suggest, and Portland is as much a mess as we are and played last night.

    30. NY2MIA

      I wonder what star would want to play for the Knicks. Hindsight is 20/20 but say what you will about Lebron, but he made a wise choice.

    31. ess-dog

      Brian Cronin:
      Also, not for nothing, but demanding a trade for the first time a couple of days before the trade deadline is pretty ridiculous in and of itself. It’s just a cry for attention.

      I’m going to assume this new Anthony trade demand is bogus. I can’t fathom the guy being that big of a douche.

    32. jon abbey

      Owen:

      Whoever posted that photo of clyde and the Knicks celebrating on OccupyMsg is a genius….

      thank you kindly.

    33. Brian Cronin

      By the way, I think Dwight Howard is handling his situation terribly. Saying he wants to stay for the rest of the season when he is really saying, “I don’t want New Jersey to have to give up assets to get me, I just want to sign there”? What a messed up thing to do to Orlando, especially when you get to act like you’re doing them a favor.

    34. Nick C.

      Owen: “Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D’Antoni’s offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor — the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks’ ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D’Antoni’s offense.”This is my favorite thing from the article and something I have noticed this year. Melo isn’t confident enough in his three point shot….

      OMG I was thinking that this morning. It seems like people bitch that he is supposed to stand in the corner for a three in this offense. But you always see him several steps inside the three point line. Which to me meant the three guys guarding him (joke) can now clog the lane. You hate to accuse someone of deliberate sabotage…I keep thinking Jeremy Shockey running 40 yards down field and waving his hands irrespective of what is happening in the pocket.

    35. Owen

      I wonder if Chandler really wants to take on the responsibility of sorting this mess out.

      Re Melo, he just isn’t a great three point shooter. At least other than last year for the Knicks. Super versatile no doubt but not a great outside shooter….

      Denver Nuggets now have the 5th best offense in the league after going 6-2 since the All-Star break.

    36. Gideon Zaga

      How about you sub Lin for Baron and then strip down their minutes, or better fire the freaking coach, i could coach this team to wins with no freaking system while smoking tobacco and reading this blog. Now the town is split, to Melo or not to Melo, i wish he would be traded but i’m definitely more pro Melo than Dantoni but ultimately im pro Knicks

      thailandvc:
      can we just pick a side and be assertive. either your in or your out.

      i assume the anti-melo side is easier. it would just means getting melo in line. + we already know what we can do without melo. pro-melo side would mean changing the entire team to fit how melo wants it and possibly baron.

    37. thailandvc

      what i meant is that the melo side is only melo and baron. (per the articles) and MDA side is Lin + the rest including Amare.

      Gideon Zaga:
      How about you sub Lin for Baron and then strip down their minutes, or better fire the freaking coach, i could coach this team to wins with no freaking system while smoking tobacco and reading this blog. Now the town is split, to Melo or not to Melo, i wish he would be traded but i’m definitely more pro Melo than Dantoni but ultimately im pro Knicks

    38. jon abbey

      Brian Cronin:
      By the way, I think Dwight Howard is handling his situation terribly. Saying he wants to stay for the rest of the season when he is really saying, “I don’t want New Jersey to have to give up assets to get me, I just want to sign there”? What a messed up thing to do to Orlando, especially when you get to act like you’re doing them a favor.

      I don’t think he’s handling it well, but I do think a player’s allegiance should be to the team he wants to join, not the one he wants to leave. I have much more respect for Howard’s behavior than I did for Melo’s in the same situation last year.

    39. massive

      NY2MIA:
      I wonder what star would want to play for the Knicks. Hindsight is 20/20 but say what you will about Lebron, but he made a wise choice.

      I disagree. The reason Melo feels this way is because the team isn’t winning basketball games. The first game winner LeBron would have missed as a Knick, Berman and Isola would have had his head. The criticism of the large NY media would have, IMO, given LeBron the stones he needed to destroy the Mavs last year. Realistically, we could have built this exact starting 5 he have now swapping LeBron with Melo (Lin, Fields, LeBron, Stat, and Chandler), except we probably would have been deeper with Gallo and Chandler being traded for depth (or even kept) and have won a championship this year, making LeBron immortal. LeBron’s endorsement deal with Nike could have branched off into it’s own brand under Nike (like Jordan Brand is), his streak of MVPs would not have ended due to the fact that he wouldn’t have been playing with Dwyane Wade, their would have been a Gotham/Metropolis rivalry, Knicks/Bulls would have been a serious rivalry again…the possibilities were truly endless for LeBron in New York.

    40. ess-dog

      Nick C.: OMG I was thinking that this morning. It seems like people bitch that he is supposed to stand in the corner for a three in this offense. But you always see him several steps inside the three point line.Which to me meant the three guys guarding him (joke) can now clog the lane. You hate to accuse someone of deliberate sabotage…I keep thinking Jeremy Shockey running 40 yards down field and waving his hands irrespective of what is happening in the pocket.

      The thing is, Melo’s best skill is probably posting up from the sf position, which is a tough fit into the system. Putting him on the 3 pt line doesn’t make sense.

    41. NY2MIA

      thailandvc: what i meant is that the melo side is only melo and baron. (per the articles) and MDA side is Lin + the rest including Amare.

      Please point to the articles (I’ve read most) where all the players with the exception of Baron have explicitly stated they are not pro Melo.

    42. thailandvc

      “On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin’s backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D’Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D’Antoni’s system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.”

      NY2MIA: Please point to the articles (I’ve read most) where all the players with the exception of Baron have explicitly stated they are not pro Melo.

    43. Gideon Zaga

      Yeah you say that now, typical fan, if we were winning you’d probably be talking different.

      jon abbey: I don’t think he’s handling it well, but I do think a player’s allegiance should be to the team he wants to join, not the one he wants to leave. I have much more respect for Howard’s behavior than I did for Melo’s in the same situation last year.

    44. NY2MIA

      massive: I disagree. The reason Melo feels this way is because the team isn’t winning basketball games. The first game winner LeBron would have missed as a Knick, Berman and Isola would have had his head. The criticism of the large NY media would have, IMO, given LeBron the stones he needed to destroy the Mavs last year. Realistically, we could have built this exact starting 5 he have now swapping LeBron with Melo (Lin, Fields, LeBron, Stat, and Chandler), except we probably would have been deeper with Gallo and Chandler being traded for depth (or even kept) and have won a championship this year, making LeBron immortal. LeBron’s endorsement deal with Nike could have branched off into it’s own brand under Nike (like Jordan Brand is), his streak of MVPs would not have ended due to the fact that he wouldn’t have been playing with Dwyane Wade, their would have been a Gotham/Metropolis rivalry, Knicks/Bulls would have been a serious rivalry again…the possibilities were truly endless for LeBron in New York.

      Wow. It’s alright to disagree but the picture painted here is amazing.

    45. NY2MIA

      thailandvc: “On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin’s backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D’Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D’Antoni’s system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.”

      Yea, I read that. I’m asking where did you read that per your quote “MDA side is Lin + the rest including Amare.”
      Thanks

    46. Gideon Zaga

      Yeah right. But hey nice dream though.

      massive: I disagree. The reason Melo feels this way is because the team isn’t winning basketball games. The first game winner LeBron would have missed as a Knick, Berman and Isola would have had his head. The criticism of the large NY media would have, IMO, given LeBron the stones he needed to destroy the Mavs last year. Realistically, we could have built this exact starting 5 he have now swapping LeBron with Melo (Lin, Fields, LeBron, Stat, and Chandler), except we probably would have been deeper with Gallo and Chandler being traded for depth (or even kept) and have won a championship this year, making LeBron immortal. LeBron’s endorsement deal with Nike could have branched off into it’s own brand under Nike (like Jordan Brand is), his streak of MVPs would not have ended due to the fact that he wouldn’t have been playing with Dwyane Wade, their would have been a Gotham/Metropolis rivalry, Knicks/Bulls would have been a serious rivalry again…the possibilities were truly endless for LeBron in New York.

    47. jon abbey

      Gideon Zaga:
      Yeah you say that now, typical fan, if we were winning you’d probably be talking different.

      you are singlehandedly dumbing down this blog in recent weeks.

    48. Owen

      “I have much more respect for Howard’s behavior than I did for Melo’s in the same situation last year.”

      Me too. I don’t think Howard’s position is unreasonable at all. Given how Melo and Lebron have handled similar situations, I give him fairly high marks.

    49. New Guy

      In fairness to Melo, who the **** designs an offense in which Carmelo Anthony’s role is “to plant himself on the wing behind the 3 point line”?

    50. jon abbey

      and actually my statement had nothing to do with his play once he got here, but you seem as incapable of reading as you do of intelligent thought.

    51. NY2MIA

      New Guy: In fairness to Melo, who the **** designs an offense in which Carmelo Anthony’s role is “to plant himself on the wing behind the 3 point line”?

      Here lies the crux of the problem.

    52. Nick C.

      ess-dog: The thing is, Melo’s best skill is probably posting up from the sf position, which is a tough fit into the system. Putting him on the 3 pt line doesn’t make sense.

      Does four guys doing one thing and one guy doing another make any more sense? It just brings us back to the beginning he was a bad fit for the existing system.

    53. Caleb

      Caleb:
      Let the guessing begin: who is Broussard’s big source?
      a) Melo himself?
      b) Baron Davis?
      c) Tyson Chandler?
      c) ummmmm…..

      Still no guesses?

    54. thenamestsam

      Brian Cronin:
      By the way, I think Dwight Howard is handling his situation terribly. Saying he wants to stay for the rest of the season when he is really saying, “I don’t want New Jersey to have to give up assets to get me, I just want to sign there”? What a messed up thing to do to Orlando, especially when you get to act like you’re doing them a favor.

      My counterpoint would be that for the last few days there have been people saying that Orlando had decided to keep him for the rest of the year. That decision may not be a wise one, but if they made that decision then isn’t it best for Dwight to say what he said instead of not saying anything and having people assume he wanted to be traded?

      On the other hand if those rumors were false and Orlando was still trying to trade him, then how does Dwight said hurt them? They can still trade him if they want. Do they have less leverage? Not really. In fact they may have more leverage since he’s not forcing his way out. The only thing Dwight can really say that would hurt them would be to lie and say he wants to stay long-term and then leave in the summer. Everything else, I don’t see the impact.

    55. Nick C.

      New Guy: In fairness to Melo, who the **** designs an offense in which Carmelo Anthony’s role is “to plant himself on the wing behind the 3 point line”?

      When the offense is already there why bring him in or why not scrap the offense and go with one more suited to him. It seems like the equivalent of trading for right handed power hitters to play in the Original Yankee Stadium.

    56. NY2MIA

      Nick C.: Does four guys doing one thing and one guy doing another make any more sense? It just brings us back to the beginning he was a bad fit for the existing system.

      This is true, but why would you bring in talent to adjust around a gimmick system as opposed to adjusting that gimmick system around the talent you gutted your team for? This is and always will be a players league, no?

    57. Gideon Zaga

      Of course you love what Howard is doing right now but that’s because you’re a Knick fan but I’m sure Magic fans feel the same way.

      Owen:
      “I have much more respect for Howard’s behavior than I did for Melo’s in the same situation last year.”

      Me too. I don’t think Howard’s position is unreasonable at all. Given how Melo and Lebron have handled similar situations, I give him fairly high marks.

    58. Caleb

      It’s hard to judge if Howard is doing the Right Thing because we have no idea what conversations he’s actually having with the team.

      The back and forth public comments might be the only way he communicates with the front office, but I wouldn’t assume it. And if that’s it, not a good sign for O-Town.

    59. thenamestsam

      Caleb: Still no guesses?

      I’ll say that if those quotes are totally accurate in the story then it doesn’t sound like it’s coming from a players perspective. It reads more like a front office source than anything else.

    60. massive

      New Guy:
      In fairness to Melo, who the **** designs an offense in which Carmelo Anthony’s role is “to plant himself on the wing behind the 3 point line”?

      The same guy who got him open looks from 3 in which boosted his percentage to 42% from the low to mid 30s. It was working before he decided he didn’t wanna shoot 3s anymore.

    61. Gideon Zaga

      Yes they have less leverage because no team wants him on a one year rental. If he made up his mind they would trade him to the team he wants but he doesn’t want it to be just him and Deron in brooklyn just like the Knicks foolishly did.

      thenamestsam: My counterpoint would be that for the last few days there have been people saying that Orlando had decided to keep him for the rest of the year. That decision may not be a wise one, but if they made that decision then isn’t it best for Dwight to say what he said instead of not saying anything and having people assume he wanted to be traded?

      On the other hand if those rumors were false and Orlando was still trying to trade him, then how does Dwight said hurt them? They can still trade him if they want. Do they have less leverage? Not really. In fact they may have more leverage since he’s not forcing his way out. The only thing Dwight can really say that would hurt them would be to lie and say he wants to stay long-term and then leave in the summer. Everything else, I don’t see the impact.

    62. d-mar

      I think Melo should be prepared for the worst night of his professional basketball career, as he will be booed by the home crowd the first time he touches the ball. And if he misses his first few shots, then it could get really really ugly

    63. KJG

      I dunno what to believe but i agree with d mar

      d-mar:
      And if he misses his first few shots, then it could get really really ugly

    64. thenamestsam

      Gideon Zaga:
      Yes they have less leverage because no team wants him on a one year rental. If he made up his mind they would trade him to the team he wants but he doesn’t want it to be just him and Deron in brooklyn just like the Knicks foolishly did.

      Okay, here’s the less leverage argument that I see: Basically the reason teams were willing to trade a ton for Dwight is because of the assumption that he’ll resign wherever he’s traded, and that there were multiple teams willing to trade for him. So for example the Nets were willing to trade a lot for him because they know that if he’s traded to say LA (just hypothetically) he’ll resign there, and thus they can’t afford to wait for him to get to FA as long as LA is willing to trade for him. Then if Dwight announces that he wants to stay until the end of the year it hurts the Magic’s leverage because the Nets don’t care about trading for him unless they think someone else might. If no one else can trade form him then they’d rather wait and try to scoop him as a FA.

      But here’s where that argument completely breaks down. The Magic have no reason to listen to him. If the Magic go to LA and the Nets today and say: “Look, we’re trading him before the deadline for the best deal”, then we’re right back where we started with both teams needing to deal for him if they really believe he’ll resign somewhere else. Basically I don’t think it reduces their leverage unless other teams feel the Magic will listen to him. The magic can easily solve that problem if they want.

    65. Caleb

      The Howard discussion makes no sense.

      It’s not a guessing game – he and his agents are telling other teams whether or not they would consider re-signing there.

      The tension is whether he manipulates Orlando into thinking he’ll stay, when he won’t. What he says in public is besides the point.

      IMO, LeBron did this to the Knicks (and Bulls, to a lesser extent) -suckering them into making moves purely to pursue him (giveaway cap-clearing trades, signing Amare Stoudemire) when he had zero interest in signing anywhere but Miami, after 2008. Smart move, to hurt potential rivals? Or slimy? Depends if you are a Miami fan.

    66. New Guy

      Caleb: Still no guesses?

      Deron Williams.

      Think about it”

      I don’t think it was a player on our team. The source used “they” and “them” not “we” and “us” when talking about the Knicks players.

      It would have to be really dumb for it to be someone in our front office. So we can’t rule out that it is.

      But let’s consider who Broussard’s likely sources would be. He’s linked in with players mostly. GM’s, too, but an opposing GM wouldn’t have that type of knowledge. So I’m going to guess that his source is another player who may have talked to one of our three main dissidents: Carmelo, Baron, and JR.

      So let’s imagine Deron and Melo crossed paths and started shooting the ****. Melo spends the whole time bitching about his role and how he wishes he had say in personnel issues like Deron does. And Deron, since he’s got **** else to do this year, decides to spill the beans to his boy Broussard to cause some turmoil inside the camp of his intra-city rival.

      (I spent way too much time thinking about this.)

    67. Brian Cronin

      Thankfully, it looks like Simmons is beginning to waver on his Melo stance.

      Meanwhile, I might fold the DEFENDING THE CARMELO TRADE support group soon. It’s just getting tougher + tougher.

      (followed by a link to Beck’s article)

    68. Gideon Zaga

      Well apparently Melo has dispelled truth in the stupidity going on through the media as expected and he did it as he was smiling, that made me mad. Dude orchestrated his way out of the franchise that loved and adored him so much, Im sure getting MDA fired would be a piece of cake.

    69. The Raging Platypus

      Brian Cronin:
      Thankfully, it looks like Simmons is beginning to waver on his Melo stance.

      (followed by a link to Beck’s article)

      He followed this by mulling over a Pierce-Melo trade, which promptly made me projectile vomit all over my screen.

      (And curse the basketball purist in me that says that, yes, Pierce would actually be a better fit for the Knicks.)

    70. Frank O.

      The activity on this site is off the charts..
      Masochists…lol

      I can’t believe how childish and intransigent Melo is. How he can’t see himself thriving in this system…
      Foolish, foolish man.

      They could easily pull together a trade for him quickly. Get it done!
      And include JR Smith, while you’re at it. If melo didn’t want him here,then we should make certain he goes wherever melo goes….idiot

    71. thenamestsam

      New Guy: Deron Williams.

      Think about it”

      I don’t think it was a player on our team.The source used “they” and “them” not “we” and “us” when talking about the Knicks players.

      It would have to be really dumb for it to be someone in our front office.So we can’t rule out that it is.

      But let’s consider who Broussard’s likely sources would be.He’s linked in with players mostly.GM’s, too, but an opposing GM wouldn’t have that type of knowledge.So I’m going to guess that his source is another player who may have talked to one of our three main dissidents: Carmelo, Baron, and JR.

      So let’s imagine Deron and Melo crossed paths and started shooting the ****.Melo spends the whole time bitching about his role and how he wishes he had say in personnel issues like Deron does. And Deron, since he’s got **** else to do this year, decides to spill the beans to his boy Broussard to cause some turmoil inside the camp of his intra-city rival.

      (I spent way too much time thinking about this.)

      My reasoning for someone in the front office doing it was under the assumption that they’ve basically already decided that he’s not going to be the coach for long – meaning he’s out after the next bad loss, and so they’re already getting to work on damage control.

      They know when he’s fired there’s going to be a bunch of articles written about how Dantoni wasn’t really the problem and blaming things on Dolan or Carmelo or both. If you start planting stuff about how he has lost the whole team etc. it gives ammunition to the other side of that argument and makes it less likely for people to write those articles, protecting two guys who are still in the fold (for better or worse). That’s what I’m thinking.

    72. er

      Lol ny media is hilarious way to become the story….thes dudes have been gunning for melo as soon as Lin arrived I hope he’s traded so everyone can be happier out of this shitty situation…..like I said let’s see if anyone ever signs here as a fa again

    73. Frank

      I seriously think “unnamed sources”, along with shows like the Kardashians and Real Housewives, are the end of civilization as we know it. When people become so skilled at leveraging media for their agenda, whatever it is, then the whole thing is just broken. Re: Berman and Isola – their sources could very well be each other, or the Knicks’ trainer, or whoever. It’s just stupid.

      I will continue to choose to do 2 things:
      1) accept the fact that we should trade TC + Melo for Howard and Turkoglu. I will be very sad to lose TC but you gotta give something to get something.

      2) assuming that miracle doesn’t happen, I will believe that 80% of this losing streak is the schedule – playing the NBA elite on the road when your team is not together yet. Yes, Melo is fitting in poorly, but there is still time for another run or two.

      The team just needs to dig down and play together. Let’s see if the leaders on the team can make it happen.

    74. Gamecockerbocker

      If we’re still talking about the Brousard story, this is one of the quotes… Since the source says “OUR problem” that source would have to be someone with the Knicks, no?: “That’s at the very core of our problem. That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he’s got to trust the offense.”

      This quote makes me think it’s a player: “Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different,” one source said. I don’t know how front office guys refer to the coach, but I know players almost exclusively refer to him as Coach; “coach says” or “coach wants” or “coach did blah blah blah.” I feel like a front office guy would just say “D’Antoni.” maybe I’m reaching.

    75. Doug

      Frank: 1) accept the fact that we should trade TC + Melo for Howard and Turkoglu. I will be very sad to lose TC but you gotta give something to get something.

      How would Howard work in a D’Antoni system? I’m not sure if he works as a PnR dive man.

    76. Frank

      Doug: How would Howard work in a D’Antoni system? I’m not sure if he works as a PnR dive man.

      I truthfully think DH12 works in any system. In any case, he only has 80 possessions used as the PNR roll man, but in those 80 he is averaging 1.44 PPP – #1 in the league. I think SVG puts him in the post a lot because Orlando has so many shooters that would benefit from double teams, but 1.44 PPP is really devastating. Seriously, who could challenge him on a lob? McGee maybe? Deandre Jordan?

    77. er

      Fuck Dantoni s system why is it treated as some crown jewel…it’s unfathomable to me that this arrogant guy gets to be stubborn with his so called system…great coaches adjust

      Doug: How would Howard work in a D’Antoni system? I’m not sure if he works as a PnR dive man.

    78. NY2MIA

      Doug: How would Howard work in a D’Antoni system? I’m not sure if he works as a PnR dive man.

      Also, the point guard is the focus of D’Antoni’s offense. One of Howard’s issues is that he wants greater say over personnel decisions and thus the issue he’s had with Orlando’s Otis Thorpe. Apart from his atypical play this year, isn’t this Melo’s reported gripe?

      Btw, hasn’t Howard ben accused of smiling and laughing throughout games. How’s that gonna fly with the “body language” crowd.

    79. Nick C.

      Didn’t Sloan run all sorts of PnR for years, or Flex as other posters call it? If Jackson comes in will the Triangle have to be implemented? If their plays calls for Melo to do X will he do it if he is not the primary option or just freelance?

    80. Caleb

      Considering Melo’s permanent dispute with his last coach it’s pretty silly to think MDA is the primary problem.

    81. thenamestsam

      Caleb:
      @86 The problem with this is that the article rips Melo a lot harder than it rips MDA.

      Fair point. Rereading the article just now my feeling was there’s probably multiple sources. I agree that the quote in comment #91 sounds like a player. So maybe the Dantoni stuff could be partially coming from the front office and then in calling around looking for confirmation Broussard found some player who is more anti-Melo? Obviously very hard to say but it does feel like the organization is coming apart at the seams a bit.

      It’s a shame because they so easily could have won 2 or 3 games and while it wouldn’t have magically made this team a contender it would have bought them some time to keep gelling and get through this tough patch on the schedule without too much strife. Now it looks like this team will be torn apart before it ever really had a chance to come together.

    82. Z

      Nick C.:
      Didn’t Sloan run all sorts of PnR for years, or Flex as other posters call it? If Jackson comes in will the Triangle have to be implemented? If their plays calls for Melo to do X will he do it if he is not the primary option or just freelance?

      May as well fire D’Antoni and make Carmelo player-coach.

    83. thenamestsam

      Wow. Dantoni out according to twitter and facebook. Surprising it happened this quickly. Also it totally makes my front office theory look better.

    84. Caleb

      mini-update from Broussard, 2:11 p.m.
      http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7686147/orlando-magic-saying-trade-dwight-howard-absent-commitment-sources-say

      Says Magic now looking hard for a trade, mostly with Jersey and LA.

      Also:
      “The Magic would also be interested in a Knicks package of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler, sources say, should the Knicks make such an offer. The Knicks have discussed the deal internally but have been given no indication that Howard would remain with them long term. That being the case, they have thus far refused the temptation to engage Orlando in trade talks.”

    85. Doug

      thenamestsam:
      Wow. Dantoni out according to twitter and facebook. Surprising it happened this quickly. Also it totally makes my front office theory look better.

      Whose twitter and whose facebook? I can’t find anything.

    86. Gideon Zaga

      Hello Mr.Shiny Head Woodson, the only thing I like about that black man is his shiny head.

    87. Eternal OptiKnist

      I cant believe how fucking dumb this was (D’antoni out, i mean). There are 24 games left….yea, this will fix everything. lol

    88. Gideon Zaga

      hey on the bright side, we get more Melo bashing, order 3 more seasons of that

      Eternal OptiKnist:
      I cant believe how fucking dumb this was (D’antoni out, i mean).There are 24 games left….yea, this will fix everything. lol

    89. ban

      Much respect for D’antoni resigning due to differences in vision going forward instead of waiting for the sack and payoff.

    90. Eternal OptiKnist

      As a D’antoni supporter, i’m ok with him not being back next year…..but did we need midseason drama that will produce ZERO results?? The good thing is its not a lockout year and there’s plenty of practice time for Mike Woodson to implement a new system. There’s also 50 games to get it right. LMAO….typical Knicks dysfunction. I’ll tell you this…Melo better have some motherfucking thick-ass skin, because if we don’t turn it around, he’s got NO ONE else to blame. I liked D’antoni but i hope it was his fault so that we can start winning and things get better. If not, Melo is Starbury 2.0…i could see him eating vaseline.

    91. Doug

      http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/03/mike-dantoni-too-beautiful-for-a-fallen-game.html

      This was written yesterday about D’Antoni, now it’s a fitting eulogy.

      D’Antoni is a fed-up parent who’s just going to let the kid keep whining on principle. He already said they’re not going to McDonald’s and he’s not going to say it again. In a sports world completely overrun by coaches whose self-regard is only matched by their lack of perspective, this is quite refreshing. But, sadly, it might also be the cause of his demise. Mike D’Antoni isn’t a coach’s coach, and he’s not a player’s coach: he’s a fan’s coach, and that, right now, is not enough.

    92. Degree_Absolute

      Looks like the new Isiah era has officially started….. Woodson on the bench. Grunwald in the front office. Dolan in the owner’s box with Isiah in his ear.

      This franchise is a joke.

    93. Doug

      ban:
      Much respect for D’antoni resigning due to differences in vision going forward instead of waiting for the sack and payoff.

      If nothing else, he’s a grown-ass man with a happy marriage, loving family, and a villa in Italy; he quite justifiably doesn’t have to take all this shit

    94. Doug

      Degree_Absolute:
      Looks like the new Isiah era has officially started…..Woodson on the bench.Grunwald in the front office.Dolan in the owner’s box with Isiah in his ear.

      This franchise is a joke.

      I’ll console myself with the knowledge that Woodson is a sacrificial lamb and next year Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan is coming in.

      (said Doug, trying to reassure himself.)

    95. Degree_Absolute

      Seriously, fuck Carmelo Anthony. From my vantage point, he is just a complete natural disaster of teammate and player. His greed ripped apart a really fun Knicks team last year and his inability to fit in stained and then ended the tenure of the best Knicks coach since Van Gundy. Even the miracle that Jeremy Lin’s Knicks were in the month of February could not withstand the pure destructive power of Carmelo Anthony. If you are at the Garden tonight please, please, please vociferously boo this tsunami-hurricane hybrid of a human.

    96. Eternal OptiKnist

      My other problem with the D’antoni pushed out on the same day the melo story broke is that this locker room is now divided. Major players on this team (on the record) love D’antoni..Lin, Amare, Jeffries, Fields. This is not good.

    97. Eternal OptiKnist

      Degree_Absolute: Seriously, fuck Carmelo Anthony. From my vantage point, he is just a complete natural disaster of teammate and player. If you are at the Garden tonight please, please, please vociferously boo this tsunami-hurricane hybrid of a human.

      Don’t add pressure…don’t boo. You want this to work out. I’m not happy about this..nor do i like Melo, but its in our interest for him to succeed; we’re stuck with him. There’s no DH12 on the horizon….don;t believe that BS!

    98. Degree_Absolute

      Eternal OptiKnist: Don’t add pressure…don’t boo.You want this to work out.I’m not happy about this..nor do i like Melo, but its in our interest for him to succeed; we’re stuck with him.There’s no DH12 on the horizon….don;t believe that BS!

      If you don’t like booing move to St. Louis. This guy is getting paid $20 million a year and has gut-punched the life out of two very fun Knicks teams in one year. He deserves all the boos that he gets.

    99. Gideon Zaga

      According to David Aldridge , Dantoni wanted a Melo for D-Will trade and guess what Dolan did, yeah

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