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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jun 26 2013)

  • [New York Times] Best and Worst Draft Choices _ for All 30 Teams (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:49:56 GMT)
    In honor of Thursday night’s NBA draft, The Associated Press takes a look at the best and worst all-time picks for each of the league’s 30 franchises.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Nets Will Play Hawks in London (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:51:11 GMT)
    The Nets will play the Atlanta Hawks next year in the latest regular-season game to take place in London.    

  • [New York Times] A Hunger for a Better Life May Lead to the N.B.A. (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 01:19:58 GMT)
    Giannis Adetokunbo, a 6-foot-9 teenager who was born in Greece to struggling Nigerian parents, has impressed N.B.A. scouts with his size and skill. Analysts say his name is likely to be called in the first round of the N.B.A. draft Thursday.    

  • [New York Times] Smith’s Contract Move Puts His Knicks Future in Doubt (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:43:45 GMT)
    As expected, J. R. Smith turned down his $2.93 million contract option for next season and will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Announce Doc Rivers as New Head Coach (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:25:16 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers will formally introduce Doc Rivers as their head coach on Wednesday after the Boston Celtics agreed to release him from his contract in exchange for a future draft pick, the two teams said on Tuesday.    

  • [New York Post] Carter-Williams got family assist (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 03:22:40 -0500)
    Growing up early can make or break a person.
    It could have broken Mandy Carter-Zegarowski, who got pregnant in college, yet opted to keep her baby and raise him as a single mother. It could have broken her when, nine months after her son’s birth, her mother died.
    And…

  • [New York Post] Rice, Ledo may be good fits for Knicks (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:38:24 -0500)
    Iman Shumpert said he’s rooting for his former Georgia Tech teammate Glen Rice Jr. to be selected by the Knicks tomorrow with the 24th pick of the NBA Draft.
    Some scouts view Rice, a 6-foot-5 shooting guard, as one of the draft’s most NBA-ready players because he played…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Iman Shumpert ready to take on bigger role (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:12:41 -0500)
    If the Knicks are to make the leap from a second-round playoff team to a legitimate title contender to Miami’s throne next season, combo guard Iman Shumpert will have to make a leap, too.
    Shumpert, whom the Knicks drafted at No. 17 in 2011 with their last first-round pick…

  • [New York Daily News] Iman’s ready if J.R. bolts Knicks (Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:46:32 GMT)
    When the Knicks faced elimination in Game 6 against Indiana in the second round of the playoffs, the guard scored 19 points, shooting 60% from the field, including 5-of-6 from three-point range, but it wasn’t enough as the Knicks lost.    

  • 76 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jun 26 2013)

    1. Vinny L.

      Something weird happened last night and I don’t know if it had anything to do with the Cope rumors flying around yesterday.

      DraftExpress posted their new mock yesterday morning with Jamaal Franklin @24 again. Then by 956PM they updated with Isaiah Canaan being our guy…

      Could this mean that the Knicks have someone else they may go after if JR bolts (OJ Mayo)?

    2. Vinny L.

      About Half of the NBA’s GMs and scouts rated the top 50 NBA prospects on a 0-to-10 scale. ESPN took these scores, averaged them and prorated them on a 100-point scale. This created a consensus “wisdom of the crowd” effect (excluding the top 10):

      12. Dennis Schroeder, PG, 66.7
      13 (tie). Steven Adams, C, 66.2
      13 (tie). Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, SG, 66.2
      15. Kelly Olynyk, C, 64.2
      16. Shane Larkin, PG, 63.3
      17. Sergey Karasev, SG, 62.5
      18. Allen Crabbe, SG, 60.8
      19 (tie). Giannis Antetokounmpo, SF, 60.0
      19 (tie). Lucas Nogueira, C, 60.0
      21 (tie). Isaiah Canaan, PG, 59.2
      21 (tie). Shabazz Muhammad, SF, 59.2
      23. Jamaal Franklin, SG, 57.5
      24 (tie). Mason Plumlee, C, 56.7
      24 (tie). Tim Hardaway Jr., SG, 56.7

      Chris Ford also has Isaiah Canaan going in the early 20′s on his mock draft. A lot of teams lik Canaan.

    3. Clyde_10

      Portland looking to move Aldridge Grunwald has to make a call and offer Chandler. Don’t think Blazers would go for it but its worth a try

    4. Frank

      I’m fine with whoever the Knicks draft as long as that person is not a specialist. if they love Canaan, I’m fine with that — big-time shooter, good ball handler, and although his efficiency numbers dropped last year, he probably can pick his spots much better on a team where he isn’t expected to put up 20 shots/36. If he can be a poor man’s Stephen Curry that would be great (in terms of being a sharpshooter off screens, off the dribble — puts so much pressure on a defense especially in PNR coverage). We saw so many defenses drop their big back into the paint and dare Felton to shoot the 3 or midrange J off the dribble — they couldn’t do that with Canaan.

      I’m fine with Tony Mitchell too if that’s who we get — great athlete, can probably guard the 3 or 4, high ceiling. Pretty sure that if he comes to this team, they’ll be no problem with motor as he’ll be coming to a veteran team with lots to play for.

    5. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Frank:
      I’m fine with whoever the Knicks draft as long as that person is not a specialist.if they love Canaan, I’m fine with that — big-time shooter, good ball handler, and although his efficiency numbers dropped last year, he probably can pick his spots much better on a team where he isn’t expected to put up 20 shots/36.If he can be a poor man’s Stephen Curry that would be great (in terms of being a sharpshooter off screens, off the dribble — puts so much pressure on a defense especially in PNR coverage).We saw so many defenses drop their big back into the paintand dare Felton to shoot the 3 or midrange J off the dribble — they couldn’t do that with Canaan.

      I’m fine with Tony Mitchell too if that’s who we get — great athlete, can probably guard the 3 or 4, high ceiling.Pretty sure that if he comes to this team, they’ll be no problem with motor as he’ll be coming to a veteran team with lots to play for.

      This is why I’ve been advocating for Canaan. We desperately need someone who can run the PnR and be able to punish teams for going under the screens. Teams were happy to let Ray shoot those midrange shots and 3s because he’s just not that good at making them. Pablo, on the other hand, is basically a set-shot guy and is not at all comfortable shooting off the bounce. If Canaan can be even an adequate passer out of the PnR and an excellent shooter out of those sets, he has more value to the context of our roster than some of the other guys who might be available who posses a higher ceiling or what have you. I think he’d be a great fit.

    6. massive

      If we can trade that pick for Kostas Papanikolaou, we have to. From what I’ve seen of him, he’s another player in the Shumpert/Leonard mold. He’s a better shooter than both, he can create his own offense in a pinch, he can defend, and he’s a high motor guy. He gives the Knicks options as to who they want to start. I see him as a Nick Batum type of player, but he has this Ginobili type of flair to his game that he shows some times. He’s better than any player we can take at 24.. He’s basically who NBA teams want Reggie Bullock to develop into.

    7. EB

      massive:
      If we can trade that pick for Kostas Papanikolaou, we have to. From what I’ve seen of him, he’s another player in the Shumpert/Leonard mold. He’s a better shooter than both, he can create his own offense in a pinch, he can defend, and he’s a high motor guy. He gives the Knicks options as to who they want to start. I see him as a Nick Batum type of player, but he has this Ginobili type of flair to his game that he shows some times. He’s better than any player we can take at 24.. He’s basically who NBA teams want Reggie Bullock to develop into.

      I don’t think he’s in the same league as Shump or Leonard defensively, based on everything I’ve read.

    8. massive

      He isn’t, but he’s a good defender (he leaves his feet too often, though) and a better shooter than they are. He’s as automatic as they get from deep and he can put the ball on the floor. Either way, he’s better than anyone we expect to be available at #24.

      EB: I don’t think he’s in the same league as Shump or Leonard defensively, based on everything I’ve read.

    9. EB

      massive:
      He isn’t, but he’s a good defender (he leaves his feet too often, though) and a better shooter than they are. He’s as automatic as they get from deep and he can put the ball on the floor. Either way, he’s better than anyone we expect to be available at #24.

      Yeah I definitely like him especially with all the warts on the players available around 24. Papa seems solid all around if unspectacular. Only concern is whether he’ll come over, but last year he seemed he wanted to.

    10. massive

      I’ve read that he’s willing to come over immediately because he won two Euroleague Championships already. And he turns 23 in a month, so we’d have him for quite some time (unless we trade him again).

      Speaking of birthdays, today is both Raymond Felton’s and Iman Shumpert’s birthday. That’s interesting.

    11. Hubert

      On the Copeland stuff from yesterday, the comparisons to Novak and Extra E were silly. Neither of those two guys could play the 5. Copeland gave you those shooting numbers as a floor-stretching 5, and our numbers with him doing that (albeit in a small sample size) were RIDICULOUSLY GOOD!!!

      While I understand not wanting to go that lineup in the playoffs vs Roy Hibbert (even though I would have), it’s a nice weapon to have in the regular season.

      Any analysis of Copeland as an individual that ignores the dynamite performance of that lineup is incomplete. You put Steve Novak at the 5, or Extra E, and there is unlikely to be any sample size small enough to make that look good.

    12. Hubert

      Also, I was in no way criticizing Grunwald for the Felton trade yesterday. I was more upset with the vice grip the owner consistently puts his GM in. It’s hard to make good deals under such circumstances.

    13. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Hubert:
      Also, I was in no way criticizing Grunwald for the Felton trade yesterday.I was more upset with the vice grip the owner consistently puts his GM in.It’s hard to make good deals under such circumstances.

      That was actually what my original point was as well and it devolved into something else.

    14. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      JK47: The Knicks were 3rd in offense, 18th in defense.
      Should we really be worried about losing Cope, who is one of the worst defensive players on the roster? Bring me some dudes who can play defense.

      All that matters is margin of victory (and SOS, I guess). “18th” doesn’t mean anything unless you know what separates “18th” from “17th,” and so on.

      If the Knicks can have the worst defense in the league and the best offense, and outscore their opponents by a margin of 10 PPG, I will take it. I don’t think there’s much to support the idea that a good defense becomes better or that a good offense does not translate to the playoffs. The #2 and #3 teams in SRS made it to the Finals this year, and that’s with the Westbrook injury. The Thunder probably make it to at least the WCF with him in the lineup.

      Copeland is too good at offense to let go. Trade Carmelo. Let Copeland work a $3M contract at that efficiency (or, hell, worse).

    15. mokers

      Grunwald did a great job with the assets he had available. I think GMs and players are still getting used to what the market is under the new CBA. Although it doesn’t contribute to wins, bringing Camby (along with Thomas) was also a bit of a good Karma move.

      Re: the draft. I guess you could make the argument that Papanikowhatever after a year of development might go 24 anyway. I would still be nice to get two picks in the second. They may not pan out, but there are some people with a bit of upside (or more upside than the rest of our summer league gusy) that could drop down.

      I don’t think there will be any moves on Chandler until we know what we can get for backup bigs. In the end, I still think it is the defense that needs to show the most consistency and the easiest way for that to happen is Chandler becomes his 2011-2012 version again. Maybe a full offseason helps that.

    16. Owen

      Let me register my wife’s strong support for this move…..

      massive:
      If we can trade that pick for Kostas Papanikolaou, we have to. From what I’ve seen of him, he’s another player in the Shumpert/Leonard mold. He’s a better shooter than both, he can create his own offense in a pinch, he can defend, and he’s a high motor guy. He gives the Knicks options as to who they want to start. I see him as a Nick Batum type of player, but he has this Ginobili type of flair to his game that he shows some times. He’s better than any player we can take at 24.. He’s basically who NBA teams want Reggie Bullock to develop into.

    17. massive

      It’s very possible that we can get Nate Wolters and Kostas Papanikolaou if we make that trade. I think the trade is simple; give up the chance at one good player for the shot at two good players. Papanikolaou has proven to be a good player in the second best league in the world at 22. You have to go with that over amateur player at the same age.

    18. EB

      massive:
      It’s very possible that we can get Nate Wolters and Kostas Papanikolaou if we make that trade. I think the trade is simple; give up the chance at one good player for the shot at two good players. Papanikolaou has proven to be a good player in the second best league in the world at 22. You have to go with that over amateur player at the same age.

      I’d push for two 2nd rounders but settle for one also. I’m personally not so high on Wolters though. He looks like a Jason Kidd clone, if Kidd had come into the league as a 40 yr old. That said he is a better shooter.

    19. BigBlueAL

      Kind of annoying when u look at the fact the Knicks drafted Papanikolaou last year but traded him in the Felton sign-and-trade and now have to possibly give up a 1st rd pick to get him back.

    20. massive

      EB: He looks like a Jason Kidd clone, if Kidd had come into the league as a 40 yr old. That said he is a better shooter.

      If you’re getting what Jason Kidd gave us last year + better shooting out of the #39 pick with fresh legs so he won’t die, you made a great pick. Jason Kidd was really good last year until he remembered he was turning 40.

    21. bidiong

      They were talking about if the Knicks should resign JR and it’s a local Albany show so they didn’t seem to understand that the Knicks can’t do anything with JR’s money if they don’t resign him and also they didn’t realize that they could only resign him for 5.5 million per. This is what I deal with up here. I put a nice post down on the Facebook page explaining how the Knicks were over the cap and they need to take that into account.

    22. Frank

      Does anyone have any idea why Dieng looks like he’s dropped so far? They’re projecting him to be picked AFTER our pick. Obviously we don’t know who will be available at #24 but unless one of the PGs like Larkin falls unexpectedly, it’d be hard to pass him up. Has an NBA body, is an NBA athlete, and put up very impressive #s as the backbone of the best D in the country. And he dominated in the tournament not just with his D but with midrange J and passing the ball.

      Is it because he’s 23 or something? Taj Gibson was 23 or 24 at the time of the draft, and if you ran that 2009 draft back again, he’d definitely be in the lottery, not the 26th pick. Or is there something else?

    23. Glew

      Also from Louisville, I think Peyton Siva might be a good pick not sure if Knicks have been considering him or not but especially if we trade down to the 2nd round he looks like a great presence who has played at a high level last season came from a rough background but it appears it made him a better person little bit shaky as a shooter but is a solid defender and passer

    24. massive

      I follow Shump on Instagram and he’s doing a photo shoot with an Orange Knicks Jersey on. I think we have a new alternative jersey.

    25. ess-dog

      Chad Ford is saying that he hears Tony Mitchell and Jamaal Franklin have a lot of “buzz” at 24 for the Knicks.

    26. Frank

      I’d be perfectly happy with either Franklin or Mitchell. Sounds like Franklin is a gamer, a 2 way player with the knock being that he doesn’t have a good J. Kinda feel like we can fix that. And Mitchell sounds like he’s got all the talent in the world. At 24, that works for me.

      Honestly at 24 if we can find an 8th man that’d be a victory.

    27. BigBlueAL

      Chris Broussard just tweeted:

      “Sources tell me & @JaredZwerling that Bucks have interest in NYK free agents JR Smith & Chris Copeland. They could outbid NYK 4 both guys”.

      The Bucks just had a backcourt of Jennings and Ellis. Replacing one of them with JR Smith isnt exactly fixing that problem lol.

    28. Frank

      BigBlueAL:
      Chris Broussard just tweeted:

      “Sources tell me & @JaredZwerling that Bucks have interest in NYK free agents JR Smith & Chris Copeland. They could outbid NYK 4 both guys”.

      The Bucks just had a backcourt of Jennings and Ellis.Replacing one of them with JR Smith isnt exactly fixing that problem lol.

      Lol. Unless the money is hugely different, I can’t possibly imagine JR leaving NYC to go to Milwaukee. Cope is another story of course.

    29. BigBlueAL

      According to Jared Zwerling the other teams showing string early interest in JR are the Pistons and Suns. So right now its the Knicks or the Bucks/Pistons/Suns?? Yeah JR aint going anywhere lol.

    30. ess-dog

      The Suns could offer JR a hefty contract… they offered Eric Gordon the max. If you’re going to offer Eric Gordon a max contract, JR at 24 mil for 4 years doesn’t seem that bad.

      Btw the more I look at Snell, the more he seems like a glove fit for us. What it really comes down to is: are the Knicks swinging for the fences or choking up to advance the runner?

    31. Spree8nyk8

      I’m gonna throw up if we pass on a deal to get Kostas Papa here so that we can draft Tony Effing Mitchell. That would be beyond stupid. Why would you pass on a guy that shoots the lights out and rebounds and defends competently to select a guy with major issues. His numbers across the board dropped like a rock this year, so what we pick him anyway and hope he just turns it around?

    32. massive

      Yeah, without a doubt we should be going after Kostas Papanikolaou here with the 24th pick in the draft. If we take Tony Mitchell, I might hate everything for a good hour or so.

    33. flossy

      I would be pretty pissed if we took Mitchell at 24. It would be just like the Knicks to go out of their way to pick a guy with very questionable IQ/character at the one position where they’re already stacked.

    34. maxwell_3g

      Frank:
      I’d be perfectly happy with either Franklin or Mitchell. Sounds like Franklin is a gamer, a 2 way player with the knock being that he doesn’t have a good J. Kinda feel like we can fix that. And Mitchell sounds like he’s got all the talent in the world. At 24, that works for me.

      Honestly at 24 if we can find an 8th man that’d be a victory.

      im assuming that we had frankln in for a workout I really hope we had our scouts and hoopla look at his J. if it can be fxed and tweeked, would love that pick. stickng hm and shump at the 2 and 3 would be scary (t seems that JR may be leaving, per hoopshype). not so high on Mitchell. would prefer canaan or deng to him

    35. maxwell_3g

      Frank: Lol. Unless the money is hugely different, I can’t possibly imagine JR leaving NYC to go to Milwaukee. Cope is another story of course.

      pipe in milwaukee. he would need a reality show

    36. MeloDrama

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: All that matters is margin of victory (and SOS, I guess). “18th” doesn’t mean anything unless you know what separates “18th” from “17th,” and so on.

      If the Knicks can have the worst defense in the league and the best offense, and outscore their opponents by a margin of 10 PPG, I will take it. I don’t think there’s much to support the idea that a good defense becomes better or that a good offense does not translate to the playoffs. The #2 and #3 teams in SRS made it to the Finals this year, and that’s with the Westbrook injury. The Thunder probably make it to at least the WCF with him in the lineup.

      Copeland is too good at offense to let go. Trade Carmelo. Let Copeland work a $3M contract at that efficiency (or, hell, worse).

      Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. Copeland has warts but we’re talking about a 3-5 mil a year player, not a cornerstone. Does anyone think that, given last season, he’s not at minimum going to be a solid piece as a scorer off the bench?

    37. Spree8nyk8

      Doesn’t really matter, I mean I don’t think the Knicks are going to hesitate to match an offer up to 3.18 mil, but they can’t match anything past that so it’s moot. Based off of the stats for Kostas though I don’t see why he couldn’t be a BETTER version of Cope.

    38. Brian Cronin

      larry Drew and Woody really don’t like each other. lol.

      Ha! That’s a really funny way to look at it. :)

    39. Brian Cronin

      Based off of the stats for Kostas though I don’t see why he couldn’t be a BETTER version of Cope.

      Yeah, Kostas could be really good.

    40. yellowboy90

      IF the Blazers really would do Noah for Aldridge straight up how close would it have been possible to trade Chandler for L.A.

      I do feel though that if the Knicks want to trade Tyson they would get the most assets back if they traded Tyson to Portland. They seem like they would oversell for a defensive big.

    41. Frank

      yellowboy90:
      larry Drew and Woody really don’t like each other. lol.

      Yeah this feels like a total reach of a rumor to me. First, MIL has to think he’s worth way more than the EB max. Second, JR has to WANT to leave NYC (and his home tri-state area) to go to Milwaukee. Third, JR would have to backstab his father-figure head coach to go play for Larry Drew, the guy who backstabbed Woody in Atlanta. $ always talks, and if they come to him with $8+MM/year I guess he’d have to consider going to play for a perpetual 8-14 seed instead of a contender– but I just don’t see it.

    42. Brian Cronin

      I dunno, Frank, it makes sense to me that after Milwaukee tried to sign Monta Ellis for $12 million a year and had him turn them down, who would they rather have? Ellis at $12 million (that he won’t even take from them) or JR at $8 million? It’s gotta be the latter, no?

      But yes, I agree that it seems hard to believe that JR would do Woody like that.

    43. Nick C.

      If Rihanna can be believed, JR had no problem clubbing through the playoffs, which wasn’t exactly doing right by his coach or his team. But I don’t know that random tweets citing “unnamed sources” are much more than Junior High school cafeteria quality “facts.”

    44. Brian Cronin

      I think that’s a matter of perspective, though, Nick. I doubt JR would see his partying as an affront on Woody. Leaving Woody to go play for Woody’s biggest enemy? I don’t think anyone could argue that’s not an affront on Woody. If the money is sick, then it is an affront he might have to do, but I just find it hard to believe he’d actually do it.

    45. Brian Cronin

      Question – what is the benefit of Melo not getting shoulder surgery? I don’t like this “let’s see if it heals on its own” stuff, but I obviously am not a doctor, so would one of our more medically inclined posters help me out by explaining the benefits of Melo not choosing to just get the shoulder fixed with surgery?

    46. Frank

      A lot of mocks have us going for Jamaal Franklin. I am all good with this. Feels like another Shump pick.

      Shump senior year at GATech per 40:
      21.7 points, 7.4 reb, 4.4 assists, 3.4 steals, 2.9 TOs
      FG% 40.6, 2PFG% 47.4, 3P% 27.8

      Franklin junior year at SDSU per 40:
      20 points, 11.3 reb, 4 assists, 2 steals, 4 TOs
      FG% 40.4%, 2PFGG% 47.8, 3P% 27.9

      The similarity in numbers are uncanny, although Franklin’s rebounding is insane for a 6’5″ guy.
      Very similar size and both play a do-everything kind of game.

      The more Shumps the better. But hopefully Franklin wouldn’t need to tear his ACL in order to make himself into a knockdown 3 point shooter.

    47. Frank

      Sorry – meant also to add that one could easily have predicted that Shump’s efficiency would go up with a decrease in usage — he was super-shot-happy at GA Tech by design. Franklin is the same way at SDSU. And if he can learn a corner 3 like Kawhi and Shump did, he’s a steal at 24 given his otherwise multifaceted game.

    48. johnno

      Frank: A lot of mocks have us going for Jamaal Franklin

      Franklin seems to be the mock flavor of the day. In the last week, I’ve seen mock drafts that have the Knicks taking about 14 different guys which proves, if nothing else, that the guys who are doing the mock drafts are doing nothing but guessing. I saw one mock draft this morning that had CJ McCollum slipping to #21. Here’s a question — if Schroeder and Dieng both slide to the Knicks, who should they take?

    49. Frank

      I don’t know a thing about Schroeder, but if he’s as good as everyone says he is, he has to be the pick. Overall backup C is a luxury for us – we already have Tyson Chandler and Camby, and we could probably get a vet’s minimum guy to fill in a few minutes. Our situation is much weaker (and potentially worse than that if Prigs goes elsewhere) at PG.

    50. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Frank:
      Sorry – meant also to add that one could easily have predicted that Shump’s efficiency would go up with a decrease in usage — he was super-shot-happy at GA Tech by design.Franklin is the same way at SDSU.And if he can learn a corner 3 like Kawhi and Shump did, he’s a steal at 24 given his otherwise multifaceted game.

      I’m starting to come around on Franklin a little bit but I’m still not super psyched about drafting a non-shooter if we do indeed steer away from big men (and, really, Dieng is the only big I want…Muscala is tissue-paper soft and Withey has ZERO upside. You can find guys like that off the scrap heap).

      I keep coming back to Canaan. He fits so well given our needs and the way our PnR stopped working if RayRay wasn’t hitting from the mid-rang and from deep. It would be ideal if we had a guard whose ceiling was as an elite off-the bounce shooter. While Canaan clearly has warts, so does everybody who will be available to us and his strengths seem to properly align with one of the skill sets we lack.

    51. DRed

      It really would be a good draft to have a second round pick. I’d much rather use a second round pick on someone like James Ennis than a first round pick on Jamaal Franklin. Franklin was really a terrible shooter in college. Considering we’ve only got one pick and still have holes on the team I’d rather draft someone like Wolters who is more likely to contribute next season than a project like Franklin.

      That being said, the kid was a great rebounder and he certainly does have potential, and if our scouts think he can be taught to shoot I wouldn’t be upset with the pick.

    52. Frank

      So who would people be happy with at the #24 pick? Here’s my list:

      Happy:
      Franklin
      Bullock
      Schroeder/Larkin if they fall (seems unlikely)
      Dieng

      Meh:
      Crabbe
      Snell
      Canaan
      Ledo
      Mitchell
      Withey
      Glen Rice Jr

      Sad:
      Hardaway Jr. – seems like a replacement level player to me
      Gobert – unathletic French center. No thanks.
      Wolters (only because it wouldn’t be considered a value pick by most)
      Any 1-way player

    53. johnno

      Frank: Happy:
      Franklin
      Bullock
      Schroeder/Larkin if they fall (seems unlikely)
      Dieng

      I pretty much agree with your happy list but, if none of these guys falls to #24 I would also be happy with Papanoukolis and 2 of Portland’s 3 second round picks. I’d be “meh” with Papa and 1 second round pick. (Disclaimer — Since I don’t follow college or international basketball at all, I know nothing about any of these guys other than what I’ve read in the last 2 weeks, so I don’t really have standing to be happy, meh or sad about anyone they pick.)

    54. massive

      Happy:
      Schroeder, Larkin, or anyone else if they fall (not named Adams or MCW)
      Bullock
      Muscala
      Wolters
      Trade it for Kostas Papanikolaou
      Dieng

      Meh:
      Crabbe
      Snell
      Franklin
      Rice Jr
      Mitchell
      Canaan
      Kabongo

      Sad:
      Everyone else, but especially
      Withey
      Hardaway Jr
      Gobert

      I’m personally fully against drafting players with “good bench player” as their ceilings. The draft is a talent-first based operation, and free agency is a need based operation. If you need a bench, go sign a couple guys. Don’t waste your time trying to develop a player who will play 25 minutes a night in his prime.

    55. ess-dog

      I agree that Papa and a 2nd rounder would be an ideal situation for us.

      I don’t like the Franklin idea. I think if you’re going to go for a home run, go for Mitchell, or maybe Ledo. Those guys are younger, and Mitchell actually played better against good teams. And unless there are police investigations involved, I don’t really buy any “character” stuff that’s out there about guys. They’re all kids.

      So if we keep the pick, I would be ok with Mitchell. But Snell or Bullock would be great fits. Schroeder would be awesome. I don’t love Dieng – I’m sick of 1 way players. Maybe if he was 3 inches taller.

    56. DRed

      I don’t get all the love for Shroeder. He put up fairly mediocre numbers playing 25 minutes a game in Germany (a fairly middling European league). What’s with all the hype?

    57. massive

      Dieng’s ceiling seems to be everything we want Tyson Chandler to be; a great defensive big with a 15 footer and passing ability. In fact, he already is a great defensive big with a 15 footer and passing ability. He’s not a negative on offense at all. Dieng is the biggest reason Louisville won the championship this year.

    58. massive

      DRed:
      I don’t get all the love for Shroeder.He put up fairly mediocre numbers playing 25 minutes a game in Germany (a fairly middling European league).What’s with all the hype?

      For one, he’s by far and away the best defensive guard in the draft. His ball pressure is similar to that of Bradley and Shumpert, and that is not an exaggeration. There were times during his season where he ran the full court press by himself. Secondly, he’s a very polished P&R player for a 19 year old. He reads the P&R very well, can make the right pass out of it, and will make you pay for going under the screen. Third, he’s already a enough of a threat from deep that you can’t just sag off of him and take away his passing lanes like teams do Rondo. Fourth, he was the best PG at the Nike Hoop Summit game, outplaying Andrew Harrison and Kasey Hill (those names may mean nothing to you now, but they will as early as next draft).

      I look at Schroeder and see Rondo without the boards (which is okay, because Rondo is an overrated rebounder) and a better jumper.

    59. JK47

      Since the Knicks don’t have anything resembling a backup center, I’d be down with picking Dieng. Marcus Camby done fell off the same cliff as Jason Kidd, so I don’t consider him a viable roster piece.

      Dieng would be a good backup C right off the bat, and would be a good bet to develop into a solid starter in the NBA.

    60. DRed

      massive: For one, he’s by far and away the best defensive guard in the draft. His ball pressure is similar to that of Bradley and Shumpert, and that is not an exaggeration. There were times during his season where he ran the full court press by himself. Secondly, he’s a very polished P&R player for a 19 year old. He reads the P&R very well, can make the right pass out of it, and will make you pay for going under the screen. Third, he’s already a enough of a threat from deep that you can’t just sag off of him and take away his passing lanes like teams do Rondo. Fourth, he was the best PG at the Nike Hoop Summit game, outplaying Andrew Harrison and Kasey Hill (those names may mean nothing to you now, but they will as early as next draft).

      I look at Schroeder and see Rondo without the boards (which is okay, because Rondo is an overrated rebounder) and a better jumper.

      The best ball pressing guard in the draft averaged less than a steal per game while playing in the Bundesliga?

    61. Keniman Shumpwalker

      massive:
      Steals aren’t the end all to ball pressure, just like how blocks don’t make you an elite rim protector. You’d like to see more steals, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that he is a menace defensively.

      http://youtu.be/koDAqCWjIcw?t=7m18s

      I also think that you can’t look too deep into the raw numbers for a 19 year old playing ball in Europe. It’s a very different game over there. What I look at with Schroeder is ceiling and from the scouting videos I’ve seen on him, that ceiling seems to be Rondo + Jumper – a few boards. Now, the floor may be low, but if he’s there I’d want us to pounce. If you have a shot at drafting a guy with a ceiling that high, you take it, win-now mentality be damned.

    62. Keniman Shumpwalker

      massive:
      Dieng’s ceiling seems to be everything we want Tyson Chandler to be; a great defensive big with a 15 footer and passing ability. In fact, he already is a great defensive big with a 15 footer and passing ability. He’s not a negative on offense at all. Dieng is the biggest reason Louisville won the championship this year.

      Agree on Dieng. He doesn’t seem like a stiff, offensively, at all. He’s got the ability to knock down that jump shot and definitely seems like a sharp passer out of the high post and low block based on the games I watched him play. Kind of reminds me a bit of a young Camby, actually, more so than Tyson.

    63. Brian Cronin

      Steals aren’t the end all to ball pressure, just like how blocks don’t make you an elite rim protector. You’d like to see more steals, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that he is a menace defensively.

      Do you hear that? That’s Alvin Robertson saying “Shhhhh….let people keep believing steals are the end all/be all.”

      Then again, if the allegations are true, then Alvin Robertson also likely says “Shhhh” to underage girls when he kidnaps them for a sex ring.

    64. JK47

      Whoever we draft better be prepared to be addressed as “Rook” for at least two years.

    65. massive

      Brian Cronin: Do you hear that? That’s Alvin Robertson saying “Shhhhh….let people keep believing steals are the end all/be all.”

      Then again, if the allegations are true, then Alvin Robertson also likely says “Shhhh” to underage girls when he kidnaps them for a sex ring.

      That is terribly hilarious! I feel bad for laughing.

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