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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jul 18 2012)

  • [New York Post] This team’s best player isn’t going anywhere (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:50:41 -0500)
    If you’re mad, I’m not going to tell you that you shouldn’t be mad. If you want to burn your Knicks paraphernalia, starting with your No. 17 jersey, I’m not going to advise you against that bonfire. Though I do ask a) that you be careful…

  • [New York Post] Knicks don’t match offer; Jeremy heads to Houston (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:49:13 -0500)
    One of sports’ most all-time captivating rags to riches stories, the rise of Jeremy Lin, is turning the page to its next chapter.
    But it won’t be set in New York.
    The Knicks confirmed Tuesday night they have officially severed ties with the 23-year-old point guard who made Linsanity…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] 'Best year' of Lin's life? Try unpredictable (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:44:31 EDT)

    After becoming a Rocket late Tuesday night, Jeremy Lin tweeted: “Extremely excited and honored to be a Houston Rocket again!! Much love and thankfulness to the Knicks and New York for your support this past year … easily the best year of my life. I’m forever grateful!”
    How about the most unpredictable year of his life? Here’s a rundown of the top 10 things that made it that way:
    1. Lin plays a total of about 50 minutes over the first 22 games with the Knicks, and then plays 70 percent of that time in just one game on Feb.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Rapid Reaction: No more Lin in N.Y. (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:26:57 EDT)

    WHAT IT MEANS: Raymond Felton is in, Jeremy Lin is out.
    The Knicks declined to match Lin’s three-year, $25 million offer sheet from the Houston Rockets on Tuesday night. They will now hand their offense over to Felton.
    If they get the same Felton who thrived for 54 games with the Knicks in 2010-11, the drop-off might not be as significant as some have predicted.
    Felton averaged 17.1 points and 9.0 assists in 38 minutes per game with New York before he was dealt to Denver in the Carmelo Anthony trade.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Now Seem Set on Letting Lin Go (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:00:06 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin is heading to Houston, leaving a legion of heartbroken Knicks fans behind.

  • [New York Times] New York Knicks Hoping the Old Raymond Felton Returns (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:27:20 GMT)
    Raymond Felton struggled in Portland but is happy to be back in New York, where he thrived in then-coach Mike D’Antoni’s up-tempo system.

  • [New York Times] Lin Set for Lift Off as Rockets Claim Point Guard (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:44:58 GMT)
    New York bid farewell to “Linsanity” on Tuesday when point guard Jeremy Lin was allowed to leave for Houston after the Knicks declined to match a salary offer from the Rockets.

  • [New York Times] Hungry City: Clyde Frazier’s Wine and Dine – Hungry City (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 03:00:03 GMT)
    Clyde Frazier’s Wine and Dine, which opened in March, is a cult of personality built around National Basketball Association Hall of Famer Walt Frazier, known as Clyde.

  • [New York Times] Linsanity to Houston as Knicks Pass on Jeremy (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:12:03 GMT)
    Say goodbye to Linsanity, New York.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: How Could the Knicks Lose Jeremy Lin? (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:04:08 GMT)
    Howard Beck provides answers to the most common questions involving the Knicks, the Rockets and Jeremy Lin’s free agency, which will end by the end of the day.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks will not match Lin’s offer sheet with Rockets (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:10:02 GMT)
    Linsanity is all but over. As first reported in Tuesday’s Daily News, Garden boss Jim Dolan has decided not to match Houston’s offer sheet for the 35-game phenom.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Knick circus goes on minus Lin (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:51:14 GMT)
    Box office smash that it was, the Jeremy Lin circus has left town, and that’s good for all parties concerned. But it’s not as if the rest of the circus has pulled out of the Garden with him.

  • [New York Daily News] Garden stands to gainALL by losing Lin (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 05:45:12 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin’s departure from the Knicks may hurt many New York City businesses â?? except for the one with which Lin’s name was so closely tied to the last six months.

  • [New York Daily News] Garden faithful will miss Rocket man (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:58:02 GMT)
    FROM HIS OFFICE near The World’s Most Famous Arena, Jeorge Romero of Long Beach admired Linsanity and the buzz it created around MSG in February.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Fans will find way to accept Lin-less Knicks (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:42:35 GMT)
    In the end, but not quite all the way to that midnight deadline, James Dolan and the people running the Knicks didn’t think Jeremy Lin was worth the money it would have taken to keep him, despite all the money Lin had made for the company that owns the Knicks.

  • [New York Newsday] Jeremy Lin heads to Houston as Knicks don't match $25.1M offer (Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:04:00 EDT)
    'Lin-sanity' ends after 25 starts as the Knicks chose not to match the Rockets' three-year, $25.1-million offer for point guard Jeremy Lin. Instead, the Knicks will move forward with offseason acquisitions Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton.

  • 47 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jul 18 2012)

    1. thailandvc

      can we just trade shump and chandler already? let’s just get all the stupidity over with in one summer.

    2. danvt

      In the winter before the 1998 season the Yankees were involved in a bidding war with the Red Sox for Bernie Williams. At the end of the day Steinbrenner parted with a few more million and brought him back. Who would we have gotten if Bernie had left? Albert Belle, who wouldn’t last half a season before having to retire with a back injury. The Yankees won 125 games in all and a World Series that next season.

      We know the Knicks are probably gonna be a pretty good team, but Jeremy Lin’s upside was one of the main things that gave us fans a chance to dream of something really special. Dolan, no Steinbrenner, just decided on Felton. He better do better than Albert Belle.

    3. SeeWhyDee77

      Stupid decision..but on the bright side it’s finally over. We can all now exhale and focus on what we do have. And what we do have is still a talented team who seems to be turning the corner on defense. No cultural phenomenon, but still a very talented team. 3 caveats (or 2 depending on how u read)tho: We need a healthy and not worn down Kidd, Chandler, and Stat..and we need an in shape Felton. We cant afford for his numbers on the scale outweigh his numbers on the court. For better or for worse…Go Knicks!!

    4. Z-man

      To all Knicks “fans” who are done with the team: don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

      I loved Linsanity. However, it was becoming increasingly clear to me as time went by that things were stabilizing at a Felton-like level as the just OK games started to pile up. I remember watching Lin’s WS 48 and PER both drift downward game after game as he wore down. I also remember how Woodson talked about how the ball needed to be in Melo’sand Amare’s hands during “nut crackin’ time” when he took over.

      I honestly feel that Lin was not a great fit for this team and coach at this time at that price. Next season is gonna be a pressure cooker in MSG. This is the first time in forever that the team goes into the season with 50+wins and a high playoff seed expected by most prognosticators. Lin is coming off a serious knee injury and the pressure on him to live up to that ridiculous contract would have been enormous. In the current “win now” world that is the Knicks upcoming 2 seasons, Felton will prove to be a better fit.

      Felton, when motivated and in shape, is a pretty good player…suspect shooter,yes, but good passer and decent defender. I think (hope?) that the pressuer of following up Lin and playing for big stakes (not steaks!) will motivate Felton to have his best season as a pro. How soon we forget that he had his own “Linsanity” streak of 25 games with the Knicks (check games 10-35 of his 2010-2011 season.) He is a tough, durable guy that has quality back-ups in Kidd and Prigioni. If he starts messing up down the stretch of games, Kidd can play those last 6 minutes he talked about in his press conference.

      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

    5. flossy

      Anyone remember that brilliant Onion video from the Linsanity days, “Knicks Trade Jeremy Lin for Selfish Asshole Who Plays Knicks-Style Basketball”?

      http://www.theonion.com/video/knicks-trade-jeremy-lin-for-selfish-asshole-who-pl,27394/

      It was funny at the time because, ha ha, the Knicks would never willingly give up such a phenomenon, but at the same time, it’s the Knicks, they’re the worst, and in a way Jeremy Lin was too much of an un-cynical, un-calculated and un-tarnished Good Thing to last long the MSG vortex of suck.

      But now that the unthinkable has come to pass, would trading for Monta Ellis really have been worse that letting him go for nothing? Or de-facto trading him for a 40 year-old boozehound in steep decline and the NBA’s fattest mediocre starting PG?

    6. ephus

      I am not giving up on the Knicks, but I am going through the stages of grief about the Lin decision. Lin’s upside, if it came through, would have made the Knicks serious championship contenders. If Felton plays to the best of his ability, I still do not see this team getting out of the second round.

    7. yehudi3000

      I dont think that people are angry because Lin is such a beter player. They are angry because of those reasons.

      1)Lin is so fun to watch, due to his playing style, worth to stay awake until 4am (im from Israel)
      2)Lin gave a feeling thats everything gooing to be beter.
      3)Lin could be a great trade chip.

      Yes, Felton may be beter fit, but we could have both of them, and we need a guard now.

    8. paullydub

      Z-man:
      To all Knicks “fans” who are done with the team: don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

      Um ok. Nobody’s allowed to be fed up with this team? And good thing nobody on the Knicks has a ridiculous contract…

      This team is poised for catastrophe. Sure if everything breaks right we can beat Miami and win a chip but if things go wrong – players continue their trends, get old in a hurry, injured, or coaches turn out to be as mediocre as in the past, we’re in for a horrible season, with the next one being worse and so on. Yay!

      You know, no youth to build on, weak draft picks (or none at all) etc. This after the long years of horrible team management, painfully sucking, bottoming out, things were supposed to get better etc etc.

      Same old same old. Enjoy your kool-aid.

    9. hoolahoop

      Losing Lin is not the worst part of the story. The dysfunction of this organization was displayed by getting nothing in return for two, coveted, restricted free-agents. Most franchises would have improved the team in this situation. Pile up blunder after blunder, and you wind up with a mediocre team in a league that favors big markets. Here’s your NY knicks.
      If the Nets put a fun team to watch on the floor this season, they’re going to steal spotlight. They’re not a NJ team anymore. And they seem to be more hungry for success than MSG.

    10. Degree_Absolute

      Z-man: This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

      Cool, but frankly that is not the worst part of this whole situation. You don’t under any circumstances allow a 23 year old asset to leave for nothing in return. That is a major fuck up and someone should get fired.

    11. SangaD

      When Lin came on board and got hot, it became apparent that the knicks were only one confident piece from being a top team in the League. Lin is fine (not at that price) but Felton is a guard with more than enough swag to sit at the tip of our spear. Leaving the big warm embrace of your fellow die hards is not a sane decision. We will be better for this move, the ranks have thinned out, whats left is the truth,we will absolutely be a better family moving forward.

    12. Count Zero

      I’m not as upset at this as most are. I was more depressed when we traded away the team for ‘Melo.

      Would I rather have Lin? Yeah. I would rather have Nash even more. But in the end, Lin was upside potential with very little surety. Unselfish player, great court vision, terrible bias to his right, no defense. He could end up as anything from an All-Star to a reserve. Even 3x$8MM is a lot of money for that on a capped team.

      Between Felton, Kidd and Prigioni I think we have a PG that will work in a Woodson offense. (If it was still D’Antoni, we would need better.) I think adding Camby will make more of a difference to this team than anything else that has happened so far. Let’s not forget this team was playing tremendous basketball down the stretch with Baron Davis manning the point…

    13. flossy

      SangaD:
      When Lin came on board and got hot, it became apparent that the knicks were only one confident piece from being a top team in the League. Lin is fine (not at that price) but Felton is a guard with more than enough swag to sit at the tip of our spear. Leaving the big warm embrace of your fellow die hards is not a sane decision. We will be better for this move, the ranks have thinned out, whats left is the truth,we will absolutely be a better family moving forward.

      Really? I thought this was a blog for stat heads? Or is SWAG/48 some cutting-edge metric that I’m not up on?

      The Knicks own FO has been quoted as saying they think it’s likely that Lin is better than Felton.

    14. PrecociousNeophyte

      @statcenter: As far as Lin’s passing, it’s about quality, not just quantity. 56% of his asts led to baskets at the rim. (Lg avg 40%, Felton 39%)

    15. SSS

      Z-man: I honestly feel that Lin was not a great fit for this team and coach at this time at that price. Next season is gonna be a pressure cooker in MSG. This is the first time in forever that the team goes into the season with 50+wins and a high playoff seed expected by most prognosticators. Lin is coming off a serious knee injury and the pressure on him to live up to that ridiculous contract would have been enormous. In the current “win now” world that is the Knicks upcoming 2 seasons, Felton will prove to be a better fit.

      That sounds like some stage 3 bargaining to me.

    16. thenamestsam

      I kind of hope the Rockets can grab Howard now so Lin can find some real success. The two of them could be a really special pick and roll partnership.

    17. SangaD

      look the metrics my ass. really between the endless stat analysts and the cba its almost impossible to get all the players you need/want every year. Players have to choose you, just like a girl chooses her pimp, you have to want to be here. Its clear that Lin didn’t want to stay here, he felt like he could get more somewhere else and so its not a day of mourning for me. Lin is LIKELY better than Felton you say, I dont know how to compare the two since Felton has been balling his fat ass off since joining the league he has the respect of really good coaches and the other guy has been cut several times and smashes a knee when his work rate goes up. Take away the party bus of fans and this is a no brainer. Watch Feltons mix on youtube and you see him hitting winning three pointers and everything that Lin has done here Felton has as well.

    18. ptmilo

      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

      So provincial. Constructing an NBA team is like trying to lose your virginity. Peaking before the summit is a pyrrhic victory. Having your best season in a decade is cold comfort if that season leaves you at the top of your talent curve and unlikely to contend. The Knicks are a relatively old team with a paucity of draft picks and very poor cap flexibility. Barring a horseshoe up the arse, a la Jeremy Lin or Anthony Mason or Shumpert becoming Earl Monroe, this is a team that projects to worsen after this year. And in all probability this year won’t be good enough.

      That is exactly the situation in which you have to move up the risk curve when analyzing the very few situations where you retain a shred of flexibility. Lin presents huge risks, including the possibility of being injury prone, his defensive capability, his shooting effectiveness, and his turnover rate. But it is overwhelmingly unlikely they will get another chance in their current lifecycle to buy his kind of upside at this kind of price. This isn’t a team that will even be able to add a Rolando Blackman, a Kiki Vandeweghe or a Derek Harper. The decision would hardly be easier in another situation (it is not obviously a homerun for the Rockets), but for this team it is a criminal mistake. And that is very difficult to accept for fans who know that in the NBA the troughs can be long and painful.

    19. johnlocke

      Zman, love that you’re taking the other side of this, but seriously? Point is we could have had both Felton and Lin, they could have battled it out in training camp for the starting position. If Lin didn’t work out we could trade him after December, while he still had value to any team but the Rockets and get some assets back (Hello Toronto??). Lin was the 2nd most reliable scorer on the team when healthy and the only other player besides Melo that could create offense. Weren’t we all talking about the fact that Melo was the only shot creator on the team during the playoffs? Our offense was our problem last year and we got rid of statistically, our 2nd best offensive player from last year, and this is what irks me more than anything else…because our big baby of an owner was pissed, so he uses emotions to make a business decision and releases no statement or reasons as to how the decision was made, b/c us fans are pieces of crap that clearly don’t matter. I’m not done with the Knicks, but if Felton doesn’t show up in shape and these guys don’t win and quickly….I’ll cut myself off from this franchise and wait for the NFL season to start where I can root for the Giants – a well managed sports team that didn’t let Victor Cruz go, because he was being ‘uppity’ or whatever nonsense MSG is flinging.

      Z-man:

      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

    20. Caleb

      hoolahoop:
      Losing Lin isnot the worst part of the story. The dysfunction of this organization was displayed by getting nothing in return for two, coveted, restricted free-agents. Most franchises would have improved the team in this situation. Pile up blunder after blunder, and you wind up with a mediocre team in a league that favors big markets. Here’s your NY knicks.
      If the Nets put a fun team to watch on the floor this season, they’re going to steal spotlight. They’re not a NJ team anymore. And they seem to be more hungry for success than MSG.

      I’d agree with you except Brooklyn’s management is only marginally more functional and marginally less idiotic than the Garden.

    21. Caleb

      Z-man:

      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

      This is how the storm will pass… it was a 50-win roster last year, or close, and it’s the same roster now, so the Knicks really will have their “best” season in 10 years. The anger will pass. Then by 2013-2014 it will sink in that this is as good as it gets… and it starts to go downhill.

      Lin was about hope – reasonable hope – that the Knicks might mean something in the NBA again, besides an easy punchline.

      I don’t hate Felton, he’s ok, but he’s not as good as Lin even now, much less in a year or two, and there’s no universe where a worse player is a better “fit” than a good player. Maybe if Felton were a killer spot-up shooter, but he’s below average from 3 and he’s as much a dominating ball-hog as Lin ever was.

      Anyway, it’s not about one player – it’s about being reminded, YET again, that your team’s management has it’s head up its collective ass and is probably – no, indisputably – the worst-run franchise in the league. Even worse than that, the team’s boss is lessinterested in winning a championship, than his own ego.

      Not to mention, at least half the team’s key players feel the same way, and the coach is such a lame-ass he fired his long-time good friend as his agent, for the privilege of losing all self-respect and letting this band of loser inmates run the asylum.

    22. ptmilo

      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

      So provincial. Constructing an NBA team is like losing your virginity. Peaking before the summit is the worst kind of failure. If the apex season in your team building lifecycle leaves you good but still unlikely to contend, it is a pyrrhic victory. And the Knicks are poised to be at the top of their curve in 2012-13, which in all likelihood will not be good enough. They are relatively old, they have a paucity of draft picks, and they have terrible cap flexibility.

      It is exactly at this point where you absolutely must move up the risk curve in the rare cases the rules offer any flexibility. Jeremy Lin surely poses a ton of risks. Risks of injuries, turnovers, inadequate shooting and inadequate defense. But the odds of the Knicks getting a chance at this kind of upside at this kind of price in their current incarnation are miniscule. The opportunity cost of demurring is enormous. They are left relying on the kind of Horseshoe up the arse miracles like Anthony Mason or Shumpert becoming Earl Monroe or, ummm, Jeremy Lin, to meaningfully improve. Not a good plan.

      There will be no Derek Harpers, Kiki Vandeweghes (Hi Steve!) or even Rolando Blackmans in their early 30s to easily add to this team. The Knicks may have the worst future performance prospects relative to 2012-13 in the NBA. And 2012-13 seems like a real longshot to win it all. Jeremy Lin at $8m for 3 isn’t a no-brainer for the Rockets, yet at 5/5/14 it is a criminal rejection for the Knicks. In this league, situations dominate.

    23. PaulStreetBoy

      i will second @hoolahoop, the disfunction is almost unbearable. we gave up those stupid picks right and left for players older than my 36 year old self and while we had two second rounders with manageable contracts and wanted by other teams, we were not able to get anything back from them, not even a second round pick in 2025! this is just too sickening to watch.

      on top of that, the jealousy in place for Lin makes me even feel worst. how do Melo and JR talk like that, while Dolan made everybody shut up for so long, as if they were protecting the secret of the universe! you think these guys will be in harmony with the rest of the team in the dressing room? well JR will obviously be jealous of Novak’s contract, as i don’t think Novak is up to his standards. Melo will obviously not share the ball with anybody. and heck we all remember what was our biggest complaint of Felton when he was here last time, heroball!

      so between Shump and Tyson, i am glad there are at least two players who are very rootable in this team. but after that things so south really quick. you can easily root for Melo for one game but then he easily lets you down in the next one. he can still carry this team deeper (heck even 2nd round is deep for all of us!) but i am now very unsure!

    24. villainx

      I’m disappointed Lin is gone. But I was rooting for him mainly as a player, and hopefully he’ll do great things in Houston.

      The Knick fan in me just wanted management to make smart moves, like others have said, letting Lin and Fields go without getting anything in return is the unbearable part.

    25. Gideon Zaga

      You seriously had me until the last part. I really hate those two words or phrases..MOTIVATED AND IN SHAPE…. please. But I do agree in general that this team would be good. I am of the school of thought that this team didn’t really need a pg to be successful, only a system a change as I advocated for all of last season. So many teams have done it without a true pg. It’s the system that maximizes talent. The Lin stuff just bores me. I’m glad we can move on to important matters. I’ll leave the Lin lovers with this, if a player came out of nowhere played 25 really good games, got injured and never played again. Would you pay him a max salary. If yes then well I’m glad you don’t own a team for your own good.

      Z-man:

      Felton, when motivated and in shape, is a pretty good player…

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    26. bobneptune

      SSS: That sounds like some stage 3 bargaining to me.

      I don’t know about stages, but this entire mess reminds me of the 1975 cult classic Rollerball with James Caan.

      The first big game pits rivals Houston vs Madrid teams and the director flashes to the scoreboard where it shows the teams Hou Mad. How Mad, get it!

      That’s the way I feel about the entire sordid mess” How Mad. Utter madness to let your entire back court aged 23 and 24 to walk for zero compensation.

      As a lifelong Knick fan I feel like Jonathan E with Dolan playing the roll of John Houseman, virtually torturing us til we submit.

      But we can be like Caan and prevail through our will in the end. Boycott MSG!

    27. Gideon Zaga

      Interesting take but it’s funny how we can also be prisoner of the moment and say stuff when the unfortunate happens. Cleveland let Lebron go and found another diamond in a year. The Hornets what were their odds of hitting the lottery and look now. I remember after the Melo trade when most of us said we will never add talent. It’s funny how things shake out!

      ptmilo:
      This might be the best season the Knicks have had in over a decade, so for those who are jumping ship because a guy who has 25 starts under his belt isn’t brought on board due to a ridiculous contract, good riddance!

      So provincial.Constructing an NBA team is like trying to lose your virginity.Peaking before the summit is a pyrrhic victory.Having your best season in a decade is cold comfort if that season leaves you at the top of your talent curve and unlikely to contend.The Knicks are a relatively old team with a paucity of draft picks and very poor cap flexibility.Barring a horseshoe up the arse, a la Jeremy Lin or Anthony Mason or Shumpert becoming Earl Monroe, this is a team that projects to worsen after this year.And in all probability this year won’t be good enough.

      That is exactly the situation in which you have to move up the risk curve when analyzing the very few situations where you retain a shred of flexibility.Lin presents huge risks, including the possibility of being injury prone, his defensive capability, his shooting effectiveness, and his turnover rate.But it is overwhelmingly unlikely they will get another chance in their current lifecycle to buy his kind of upside at this kind of price.This isn’ or a Derek Harper.The decision would hardly be easier in another situation (it is not obviously a homerun for the Rockets), but for this team it to accept for fans who know that in the NBA the troughs can be long and painful.

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    28. Degree_Absolute

      Kurt:
      Degree Absolute: unfortunately, Dolan can’t be fired.

      Fair enough, but I think Knicks are actually winning the PR war on this because they have changed the subject to Lin vs. Felton. The subject should be how did you let a 23 year old asset leave for absolutely nothing?

    29. johnno

      I’m sorry to see Lin go, but I’m not sorry to see the circus surrounding him go. For some basketball perspective — his numbers for the last 15 games that he played, once teams got a chance to scout and game plan for him — 31 minutes, 14.4 points (on 40% fg and 31% 3pt. shooting), 6.6 assists, 3.8 turnovers. Good, but not great numbers. He gets a lot of steals but is a poor one on one defender. And the team went 12-5 after he got injured. I think that he has potential to be very good, but I can’t really be too upset that the MSG brass concluded that he is not worth the $80 million or so that he would have cost them over the next 3 years. (I blame the fact that they got nothing in return for him on him and his agent, not Knicks management.) And for everyone who screams, “but he would have paid for himself!” — I have no clue whether that is true, and neither do you, but I think that the MSG inner circle is in a much better position to calculate whether that is a fact than you and I are.

    30. SangaD

      this dude can ball !! his dreads look better than Bill’s, hes faster than Jerome, his handle is better than Jorts and he strokes it from Deep, he might have a better jumper than our Captain Amare. we should discuss this. at least right now this is workable.

    31. Eternal OptiKnist

      Im so depressed. I know if i start engaging in this discussion i will get no work done today…just like yesterday. I will always be a Knicks fan; this actually pales in comparison to the crappy things we’ve seen. Continuing to root for my team aside, I’m now left with two choices: 1) do i root for Lin to fail, sparing myself the agony of lamenting a star let go or 2) do i root for him to succeed (and deal with nausea all season) because he is a good, humble guy, great teammate and gave us our greatest 2 months in 12 years? I’m choosing to root for him to do well. I….like anyone…don’t know for sure if he’s a star or average player. It seems ALL the talking heads say he’s nothing more than average, and i gotta say, nothing would make me happier than to see him make them all eat crow. If it happens, it’ll be tough to see it happen in Houston and not NY, but it just feels wrong to hope he fails so that Kinicks ownership/management can be vindicated.

    32. SangaD

      damn you really dragged me back to the altar and made me get on my knees in tears, I tried to be tough, but ETERNAL you really pulled at my heart right there. I miss him already too bro. But Ill be on this side as long as that Number 33 is hanging from our rafters !

    33. Juwanaxedqwe

      SangaD:
      look the metrics my ass. really between the endless stat analysts and the cba its almost impossible to get all the players you need/want every year. Players have to choose you, just like a girl chooses her pimp, you have to want to be here. Its clear that Lin didn’t want to stay here, he felt like he could get more somewhere else and so its not a day of mourning for me. Lin is LIKELY better than Felton you say, I dont know how to compare the two since Felton has been balling his fat ass off since joining the league he has the respect of really good coaches and the other guy has been cut several times and smashes a knee when his work rate goes up. Take away the party bus of fans and this is a no brainer. Watch Feltons mix on youtube and you see him hitting winning three pointers and everything that Lin has done here Felton has as well.

      Typical, mindless sports fan. Your analogy is absolutely terrible.

      For all you people that seem to believe that Lin had never wanted to be a Knick in the first place, that’s all speculation. Just as it’s speculation to assume that Lin was just a flash in the pan as all of you claim so eagerly. I don’t see how NOT locking up a POTENTIAL, capable starter could be seen by all of you as a good move. Sure, the Knicks might perform just as ably, with or without Lin, but the key point is, he had POTENTIAL.

      And for all you people who care so much about Dolans money, WHO THE HELL CARES. The only reason we as “fans” should care is if the money is spent on players that hurt the team’s chemistry and locker-room camaraderie, which this team happens to have plenty of, particularly one “jealous” fellow that makes as much bone-headed decisions as he does chucking balls.

      So let’s spare Lin from our vitriol. He took us on a magical ride that we all enjoyed. If you claim otherwise, I seriously doubt you’re a “fan” as…

    34. Juwanaxedqwe

      http://i.imgur.com/OBSyL.jpg

      I’m just going to post this here and let you guys witness for yourselves what great “fans” we have. I’m sure we have just as many individuals that genuinely care about the well-being of this team as there are idiots. It’s just unfortunate that the more repulsive ones, that are so eager to slurp up everything that’s fed to them by the media, are the ones we unfortunately have to associate ourselves with.

    35. Nick C.

      @ 41 that was embarrasing fortunately it is a bit blurry, you dodn’t want to think peopel are like that and yet they constantly fall beneath your lowest expectations.

    36. arthurprescott2

      Juwanaxedqwe:
      http://i.imgur.com/OBSyL.jpg

      I’m just going to post this here and let you guys witness for yourselves what great “fans” we have. I’m sure we have just as many individuals that genuinely care about the well-being of this team as there are idiots. It’s just unfortunate that the more repulsive ones, that are so eager to slurp up everything that’s fed to them by the media, are the ones we unfortunately have to associate ourselves with.

      That is horrifying… the kid doesn’t deserve any of that. and moreover, those are not fans. they are just wanna-be thugs of JR’s ilk.

    37. SangaD

      Im not indecisive about weather he was a flash in the pan, I just saw it, so I’m saying it flat out. If I was to pay attention to the media I wouldn’t be a mindless fan and thus not a knick fan. You prob play no ball so you don’t know that all those players in the Nba ARE POTENTIALLY GREAT ! I dont hate Jeremy he cashed in, ok and were moving on.

    38. ruruland

      PaulStreetBoy:
      “I know the Knicks organization wanted him back, I know his teammates wanted him back, I felt like Jeremy wanted to come back, but can’t pass up what Houston threw out there,” Chandler said.

      thanks Tyson, at least there is somebody who palys for the Knicks and seem to know what he is talking about.

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8176475/jeremy-lin-departure-surprise-mike-dantoni

      That’s another way of saying the exact same thing Melo has said the last few days.

    39. SangaD

      I dont hate him, and Im not a thug or a wanna be, i will always support this team and so I will not waste time criticizing the decisions that Im going to live with anyway. I hoping for the best, I going to be here forever anyway.

    40. arthurprescott2

      ruruland: That’s another way of saying the exact same thing Melo has said the last few days.

      Haha I agree with you. But you have to admit it was a better way of stating it, no?

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