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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jul 11 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Lin-sulted: Jeremy surprised Knicks didn’t make first move (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:23:21 GMT)
    Matching the Rockets’ $29-million offer sheet to Jeremy Lin isn’t going to be enough for the Knicks. They’re also going to have to patch things up with their returning playmaker.

  • [New York Daily News] Chandler backs up new Knick Camby (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:39:39 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler is thankful for the help in the paint. A day after the Knicks agreed to terms on a sign-and-trade for his backup, Marcus Camby, the center said the team is better constructed to deal with the likes of the Heat, which punished the Knicks inside during the playoffs.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] NBA sets salary cap (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:23:16 EDT)
    About three hours before teams could formally sign players and finalize trades, the NBA announced its salary cap and luxury tax numbers for the 2012-2013 season.
    Here are the numbers, released around 9 p.m. on Tuesday:
    Salary Cap: $58,044,000
    Tax Level: $70,307,000*
    * — any team with a combined salary of more than $70,307,000 has to pay a luxury tax of $1 for every $1 they are over that number.
    Teams are required to spend a minimum of $49,337,000 — or 85% of the salary cap.

  • [New York Post] Knicks are planning to finalize deal with Lin today (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:31:16 -0500)
    The Knicks will officially match Jeremy Lin’s $28.8 million offer sheet from the Rockets as soon as Wednesday, when the NBA moratorium ends, thereby keeping the author of Linsanity at the Garden for at least the next three seasons.
    The Knicks have 72 hours to match, but likely…

  • [New York Post] Melo gives Knicks an â??A’ for upgrades (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:30:34 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS â?? From the 111-degree desert heat, Carmelo Anthony said Tuesday the Knicks have made a much-needed “splash” this summer.
    The Knicks have added Jason Kidd at point guard for the $3.09 million mini midlevel exception and agreed to a sign-and-trade for backup center Marcus Camby. Their deals to…

  • [New York Times] In N.B.A., Music Starts and Howard Is Still in Orlando (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:54:04 GMT)
    A four-team deal that would have sent Magic center Dwight Howard to the Nets appeared to have fallen apart Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Busy Knicks Reach Deal To Retain J. R. Smith (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:56:26 GMT)
    A 6-foot-6 guard, he is likely to sign his new contract, a two-year deal worth $2.8 million in the first year with a player option in the second, Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Dwight Howard’s Interest In Nets Signals New Era (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:54:05 GMT)
    Dwight Howard’s interest in joining the Brooklyn team changed the landscape of the N.B.A., rendering the Nets no longer a punch line, but a destination.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Acquire Marcus Camby and Re-Sign Steve Novak (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:30:07 GMT)
    The Knicks made two moves Monday to build their roster, acquiring Marcus Camby in a sign-and-trade deal with the Houston Rockets and agreeing to a four-year deal with Steve Novak.

  • [New York Times] Williams Signs Nets Deal, Griffin Extends in LA (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:01:25 GMT)
    Deron Williams hit the jackpot in Las Vegas, and Blake Griffin signed on for a few more years in Los Angeles.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Sign Griffin to 5-Year Extension (Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:49:26 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Clippers have signed All-Star forward Blake Griffin to a five-year contract extension that could be worth up to $95 million.

  • 23 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jul 11 2012)

    1. Bruno Almeida

      Again, I’m super impressed with Grunwald, what an amazing offseason… Kidd and Camby are very very underrated signings if you ask me, not having to back Lin with Baron freaking Davis is already the best news of the year, and Camby is such an awesome rebounder that he can help hide Amares shortcomings on that end.

      Now let’s just find a 2 guard to play some 20 minutes until Shump is back, and we’re all set.

      If you ask me, I’m optimistic, there are no excuses anymore, we have the depth, the “stars” and the core has been together for a while. Now let’s see how Melo and Amare react.

    2. Frank

      @1 – agree re: those signings. Underrated part of Kidd is how durable he has been in his career. He missed a few games last year due to a calf and groin injury, but those sound like probably lockout and schedule-related things. Playing fewer games/week + only playing 20 min or less per game will keep him fresh. The 7 seasons prior to last season he played 80 games per year. Far cry from Baron last year and Baron’s whole career for that matter.

      Camby is another story, but hopefully fewer games and minutes will mean he stays healthy too.

    3. yehudi3000

      The problem is, that Camby and Jason Kidd may be ok now, but in two years, they will be way too old…

    4. Frank

      yehudi3000:
      The problem is, that Camby and Jason Kidd may be ok now, but in two years, they will be way too old…

      Camby’s contract is only guaranteed for 2 years, and my guess is Kidd’s will be the same way. So if they stink in 2 years, that is fine with me. They just need to be reasonably good this year and next in limited roles. They’ll certainly be better than Baron/TD/Bibby and Jorts or whoever else was going to back up Tyson.

      The main benefit of Camby is that without him, this team is TOAST if Tyson goes down with injury. Everyone else on this team is replaceable, from Melo/Amare/Lin/JR on down. But without Tyson, we’re an 8 seed at best. Camby makes it so we can survive probably all but the most catastrophic injuries to Tyson.

    5. Z-man

      I hope all of these guys realize that they have a great opportunity to make some loud noise this year, and get themselves into great shape, especially Melo, Kidd and Camby. I remember when Reggie’s Pacers did that and finally got to the finals. Mark Jackson looked like a different person, trim and cut for maybe the only time in his career. We need to get every edge we can.

    6. JLam

      Knick organization continues to sign senior citizens who’s career peaked a decade and a half ago

      40 year olds trying to guard 20 year olds in the NBA reminds me of granny playing with their grandchild and chasing them around the playground
      Are the Knicks now the oldest team ?
      Had MSG become the nursing home visit for the NBA?

    7. llcoolbp

      JLam:
      Knick organization continues to sign senior citizens who’s career peaked a decade and a half ago

      40 year olds trying to guard 20 year olds in the NBA reminds me of granny playing with their grandchild and chasing them around the playground
      Are the Knicks now the oldest team ?
      Had MSG become the nursing home visit for the NBA?

      Please go post on an ESPN board or something of that sort. If you are going to post generalizations such as that, on this board with type of intelligent posters we have here. It is disservice to them to have to read such drivel.

    8. llcoolbp

      Anybody else irritated that Jeremy Lin is so annoyed with the knicks? He knew they would match. What was he expecting. Grunwald said from the start that he would let the market dictate the price. This entire episode shows that Lin is a bit of a primadonna. I was critical of him during the spring along with a couple of the other posters as well about how he handled the entire knee surgery scenario, and whether he would play or not. Something still rubs me the wrong way about this kid. I hope I’m wrong. Maybe it’s the quick rise to Linsanity, hopefully, it didn’t go to his head.

    9. mr.JayP

      Altho we did get older, no one can argue that we didnt get very serviceable back up players in return.

      Is Grun against bringing in Undrafted rookies Tho? Might be worth A shot to bring in a combo guard at that Pay rate.

    10. tastycakes

      llcoolbp:
      Anybody else irritated that Jeremy Lin is so annoyed with the knicks? He knew they would match. What was he expecting. Grunwald said from the start that he would let the market dictate the price. This entire episode shows that Lin is a bit of a primadonna. I was critical of him during the spring along with a couple of the other posters as well about how he handled the entire knee surgery scenario, and whether he would play or not. Something still rubs me the wrong way about this kid. I hope I’m wrong. Maybe it’s the quick rise to Linsanity, hopefully, it didn’t go to his head.

      Not to mention that he gets MORE MONEY than the Knicks could pay him by offering him a deal straight up! They did him a favor by not saying publicly “we will automatically match any offer!”

      I think rumors like that come from the teams — Houston can get somebody to slip that BS out into the atmosphere to try and create some tension and move things in their favor.

      Similar to how the Nets constantly leak information about how they are “close” to pulling off a blockbuster trade that nobody in the Eastern Conference wants to happen, where the Nets give up a pu-pu platter of shit for the best center in the league.

    11. JC Knickfan

      llcoolbp:
      Anybody else irritated that Jeremy Lin is so annoyed with the knicks? He knew they would match. What was he expecting. Grunwald said from the start that he would let the market dictate the price. This entire episode shows that Lin is a bit of a primadonna. I was critical of him during the spring along with a couple of the other posters as well about how he handled the entire knee surgery scenario, and whether he would play or not. Something still rubs me the wrong way about this kid. I hope I’m wrong. Maybe it’s the quick rise to Linsanity, hopefully, it didn’t go to his head.

      NY post and Daily New are tabloids. Don’t read them and presume that shit true.

    12. RicanKnick

      First time posting..long time reading!!! I’m from PR, my 1st language is spanish, so excuse me if I write something wrong. As a Knick fan since 1989, I’ve been excited before with a lot of previous offseason moves. This summer I’m very happy to see that Grunwald kept the core intact and upgraded the team with great veterans players such as JKidd and Camby. I’m really hoping that Jeremy Lin is the player we saw in those “Linsanity games” and also hope that Melo and Stat live up to their Super Stars status and take next season with a chip on their shoulders. Like some of you all have post, I think we are a good SG away from having a perfect offseason. Lets go Knicks!!!

    13. Gideon Zaga

      Seriously I’d be happy if we were the oldest team in the league. The current old dogs, the Lakers and Celtics did way better than us in the Playoffs. Just like my granny used to say: the new broom might sweep better but the old broom knows all the corners.

      JLam:
      Knick organization continues to sign senior citizens who’s career peaked a decade and a half ago

      40 year olds trying to guard 20 year olds in the NBA reminds me of granny playing with their grandchild and chasing them around the playground
      Are the Knicks now the oldest team ?
      Had MSG become the nursing home visit for the NBA?

    14. Bruno Almeida

      We got older, but who cares? Guarding people in the nba is much more about positioning, intelligence and experience than being super duper athletic.

      Kidd is one of the smartest guys in the nba, has seen everything, he’s the perfect mentor for Lin and he can still be very effective in short spurts on defense, like he was against Miami on the finals, where he guarded even Lebron for some time. Lin already knows how to score, but Kidd has been for decades one of the top 5 PGs in every other category pretty much.

      I’m actually more confident in Kidd than on Lin on defense, if you ask me.

      I have no question whatsoever about our role players, they’re more than good enough to be a championship team, my question is about our socalled stars

    15. er

      Bruno Almeida:
      We got older, but who cares? Guarding people in the nba is much more about positioning, intelligence and experience than being super duper athletic.

      Lol at people with this so called star thing. Melo had a bad season and by the end of the season he was single handedly destroying teams. Stat had a real roller coaster season as he was dealing with personal issues injury issues and his first season without a real pg and it showed.

      I expect bounce back years from both as well as improvement from Lin. Give this team a chance they have a chance to be really good

      Kidd is one of the smartest guys in the nba, has seen everything, he’s the perfect mentor for Lin and he can still be very effective in short spurts on defense, like he was against Miami on the finals, where he guarded even Lebron for some time. Lin already knows how to score, but Kidd has been for decades one of the top 5 PGs in every other category pretty much.

      I’m actually more confident in Kidd than on Lin on defense, if you ask me.

      I have no question whatsoever about our role players, they’re more than good enough to be a championship team, my question is about our socalled stars

    16. Frank O.

      I’d be more concerned about Kidd’s and Camby’s ages if they were starting. But they’re back ups, playing limited minutes.
      If you ask me, this is a very balanced team. Our three core players are in their physical primes. Amare and Chandler are 29 and Carmelo is 28.
      Then Lin is 23 and Shump is 22. Indeed, aside from Camby and Kidd, this is a pretty damn young team.
      Most good to great teams have a few old warriors who are there to share wisdom and reliably fill shorter minutes.
      Clearly Kidd and Camby are not the physical beings they were even five years ago, but they are still playing at a very high level and their smarts and experience offset their physical liabilities.
      I just think this is irrelevant as an issue.
      With our core guys, we’re not building to the future. This is a team that is built to win 50+ games and possibly compete for a championship.

    17. 2FOR18

      Frank O.:
      I’d be more concerned about Kidd’s and Camby’s ages if they were starting. But they’re back ups, playing limited minutes.
      If you ask me, this is a very balanced team. Our three core players are in their physical primes. Amare and Chandler are 29 and Carmelo is 28.
      Then Lin is 23 and Shump is 22. Indeed, aside from Camby and Kidd, this is a pretty damn young team.
      Most good to great teams have a few old warriors who are there to share wisdom and reliably fill shorter minutes.
      Clearly Kidd and Camby are not the physical beings they were even five years ago, but they are still playing at a very high level and their smarts and experience offset their physical liabilities.
      I just think this is irrelevant as an issue.
      With our core guys, we’re not building to the future. This is a team that is built to win 50+ games and possibly compete for a championship.

      Good post, but I take exception with the core being in their physical primes. They all have about 9-10 years of NBA wear and tear. Amare tore up his knee and has back problems, and Chandler has had many injuries, which makes the aging process harder on the body.
      OKC is an example of a contender with their core in their physical primes, with Miami having 2/3 of their core in their pp.

    18. Frank O.

      2FOR18: Good post, but I take exception with the core being in their physical primes.They all have about 9-10 years of NBA wear and tear.Amare tore up his knee and has back problems, and Chandler has had many injuries, which makes the aging process harder on the body.
      OKC is an example of a contender with their core in their physical primes, with Miami having 2/3 of their core in their pp.

      Disagree. OKC, I believe is unusual in that it’s core is pretty young. Durant is 23 and so is Westbrook.
      They are actually going to get better, stronger, smarter.

      James is 27 and Wade is 30. Boish is 28.
      They too are in their prime, where body and mind are in that balance.
      I agree Amare has had some problems, but I think he will have a huge year this year.

    19. RicanKnick

      Knicks4Eva:
      Welcome, RicanKnick!
      Your English is great.

      Thanks!! I forgot to mention the fact that we got a good if not great coach in “Son of Wood” that preaches Defense First! Can’t wait to see the impact that a healthy Shump, the DPY and the new additions will have in our collective D.

    20. TelegraphedPass

      RicanKnick: Thanks!! I forgot to mention the fact that we got a good if not great coach in “Son of Wood” that preaches Defense First! Can’t wait to see the impact that a healthy Shump, the DPY and the new additions will have in our collective D.

      Sorry to do this, but in the interest of accuracy: Mike Woodson is not and has never been a defensive-minded coach. He holds players accountable, for whatever that’s worth, but it should be noted. His Hawks teams were strong offensively and mediocre defensively.

      I’ll leave Shumpert alone this time.

      I am interested to see how our defense is this season. I’d imagine it may slip without Shump forcing turnovers out there, but Lin is very good at forcing turnovers as well fortunately.

      As long as we have a top 10 defense I’ll be satisfied. I’m far more interested in developing an above-average offense.

    21. thenamestsam

      TelegraphedPass: Sorry to do this, but in the interest of accuracy: Mike Woodson is not and has never been a defensive-minded coach. He holds players accountable, for whatever that’s worth, but it should be noted. His Hawks teams were strong offensively and mediocre defensively.

      I don’t think this is an entirely accurate way of looking at things. Yes, his Hawks teams were better offensively than defensively, but to say that he is not a defensive-minded coach seems silly to me. I mean he was brought in specifically as a defensive coaching specialist last year. That’s why he was on the staff. And he clearly has a reputation as a defense-first coach and that’s a reputation based on things he has said and done in the past.

      There are a hundred reasons his Hawks might have been better offensively than defensively, but Woodson being an offensive-minded coach is not one of them.

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