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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jul 10 2013)

  • [New York Post] Dad wants Metta to finish career with Knicks (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:51:01 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — Ron Artest Sr. is hoping if his son, Metta World Peace, is waived today via the amnesty rule, he will attempt to finish his career with the Knicks.
    Nevertheless, Artest Sr. said as of last night, World Peace is seriously considering retiring instead of finishing his NBA career…

  • [New York Post] Smith & lessen: Bro says Knicks underpaying J.R. (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:11:01 -0500)
    LAS VEGAS — The Andrea Bargnani Era begins Wednesday with the Knicks, and the J.R. Smith Era formally rages on at least three more years at the Garden.
    The Bargnani trade and Smith’s four-year, $24.7 million deal will finally be announced Wednesday, when the NBA’s free-agency signing…

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Harris to Mavericks, Nowitzki Says (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 04:23:14 GMT)
    The free-agent guard Devin Harris is headed back to the Dallas Mavericks, nine years after starting his career with them, the Dallas star Dirk Nowitzki said.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Pierson Helps Liberty End Three-Game Skid (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 04:19:14 GMT)
    Plenette Pierson scored 9 of her 22 points in the fourth quarter as the host Liberty recovered after giving up nearly all of a 19-point lead in the third quarter and beat the Seattle Storm.    

  • [New York Times] Record Luxury Tax Looms for the Nets (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 03:42:42 GMT)
    The Nets payroll — once they complete a trade for Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce — will be about $98 million, triggering a tax bill of about $75 million.    

  • [New York Times] Rockets Fined $150,000 for Loose Lips on Howard (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:25:12 GMT)
    The Houston Rockets have been fined $150,000 for prematurely commenting about new acquisition Dwight Howard, the NBA confirmed to Reuters on Tuesday.    

  • [New York Times] Bynum Weighing 2-Year Offer From Cavs (Wed, 10 Jul 2013 00:34:21 GMT)
    As the Cavaliers await word from Andrew Bynum, two other teams have joined the chase for the free agent center.    

  • 18 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jul 10 2013)

    1. ess-dog

      Watched some summer league last night. Caldwell-Pope looks like the real deal. He looked better than Drummond out there, and Drummond of course looked good. Pistons will have a nice core with those two.

    2. Brian Cronin

      How crazy is it that the Spurs almost picked up AK-47?!?!

      I also love that the T-Wolves are desperate for Corey Brewer. You know, the guy they threw in as an after-thought in the Melo deal.

    3. Juany8

      Brian Cronin:
      Oops, I meant to post this here…

      Okay, I wasn’t even slightly worried before, but now that SAS is writing that he thinks Melo is 50/50 to leave…well, now I am a bit worried, since SAS is basically just a CAA mouthpiece.

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/columns/nba/story/_/id/9463967/all-options-new-york-knicks-star-carmelo-anthony-summer-2014

      SAS was the first to figure out Lebron was going to Miami. Wouldn’t just ignore him because he’s annoying, but isn’t Melo signed through 2015? Or does he have an opt out?

    4. DCrockett17

      Brian Cronin:
      Okay, I wasn’t even slightly worried before, but now that SAS is writing that he thinks Melo is 50/50 to leave…well, now I am a bit worried, since SAS is basically just a CAA mouthpiece.

      About the only thing I see as a concern is the situation with his wife, but there’s no new information in the column. And, if all that puff-and-blow amounts to “a 50-50 chance” he opts out it’s hard to get worked up.

    5. Hubert

      Brian Cronin:
      Oops, I meant to post this here…

      Okay, I wasn’t even slightly worried before, but now that SAS is writing that he thinks Melo is 50/50 to leave…well, now I am a bit worried, since SAS is basically just a CAA mouthpiece.

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/columns/nba/story/_/id/9463967/all-options-new-york-knicks-star-carmelo-anthony-summer-2014

      Man, I wish you hadn’t gotten me to read that. Not because I believe any of it, but because I just wasted 90 seconds of my life reading Stephen A. Smith!

      “By the time the playoffs began, [the Knicks] were barely in the championship conversation.”

      “Deep down, we all knew the Indiana Pacers were better.”

      And my personal favorite:

      “Fast forward to know, and the Knicks have been firmly removed from the upper echelon of the Eastern Conference before mid-July even arrived.”

      I feel like this was ghost-written by one of the Knickerblogger interns.

      Also:

      “Without Melo, the Knicks are in the lottery.” Hmm…

    6. Garson

      Its amazing that most of us have the same feeling that it wouldnt be THAT bad if Melo signed elsewhere for the max…

      Melo for the 2014 #1 pick?? I think they say no!

    7. Hubert

      Juany8: SAS was the first to figure out Lebron was going to Miami. Wouldn’t just ignore him because he’s annoying, but isn’t Melo signed through 2015? Or does he have an opt out?

      He’s got the opt out in ’14. And you’re right he is credible when he has something to report, but he also has to get people to his page when there isn’t massive news to report, and this kind of bluster is a great way for him to get attention while also helping CAA send a warning shot to MSG.

    8. massive

      I don’t care whether or not Melo stays or goes in 2014 because we’ll be in a good position regardless. I’d almost prefer to lose a 30 year old Melo if we could gain a 20 year old Jabari Parker in the process. Without Melo, we would have room on the books for 2 1/2 max deals. Rondo, Shumpert, Parker, Love, and Asik compete for a title in 2016. If Melo doesn’t leave, Rondo, Shumpert, TH2, Melo, and Gasol/Lopez compete for a title in 2016.

      To me, the most important development is if Bynum does the right thing and takes a two year deal. If we get our hands on Andrew Bynum (who in two years may be the game’s best center and a legit top 5 player in the league), we have a shot at 60 wins and a serious chance to win a title.

    9. yellowboy90

      SAS is also saying how Lebron would play with Melo in Ny.

      My question is what would be the max Melo could get on a 1 year deal if he opt out after 14? Could they work out a deal to pay him big one year and then he comes back to take a pay cut in 15. That way it minimizes the hit he would take financially. Then again their is still the risk of injury so I doubt that would happen.

      ALso, can or would the Knicks be bold enough to use the stretch prevision on Amar’e to create a little room then trade Chandler for a pick and a TPE to make room for a FA in the summer of 14?

    10. Keniman Shumpwalker

      massive:
      I don’t care whether or not Melo stays or goes in 2014 because we’ll be in a good position regardless. I’d almost prefer to lose a 30 year old Melo if we could gain a 20 year old Jabari Parker in the process. Without Melo, we would have room on the books for 2 1/2 max deals. Rondo, Shumpert, Parker, Love, and Asik compete for a title in 2016. If Melo doesn’t leave, Rondo, Shumpert, TH2, Melo, and Gasol/Lopez compete for a title in 2016.

      To me, the most important development is if Bynum does the right thing and takes a two year deal. If we get our hands on Andrew Bynum (who in two years may be the game’s best center and a legit top 5 player in the league), we have a shot at 60 wins and a serious chance to win a title.

      I have a hard time believing that Bynum is going to find a magic elixir that makes him not a massive health risk. He’s also an extremely volatile personality. While I agree that a healthy, mature, motivated Bynum could be the best pivot in the league and a top 5-7 talent overall, a lot is going to have to break right for that to happen. I certainly wouldn’t want to bank on it, given what he is now. If he plays the next two seasons without missing significant time to injury and shows he’s grown up a bit, then sure, I’d love to have him.

    11. johnno

      Juany8: SAS was the first to figure out Lebron was going to Miami

      And two weeks before that he said that LeBron was going to the Knicks and added, “I’m not telling you what I think, I’m telling you what the hell I know!” So, take his prognostications for what they are worth…

    12. johnno

      Keniman Shumpwalker: I have a hard time believing that Bynum is going to find a magic elixir that makes him not a massive health risk.

      Aren’t a whole bunch of people killing the Knicks on this site for signing Amare to his deal when “everyone in the league knew that his knees were falling apart”? And yet some people are holding out hope that they can sign Andrew Bynum in a couple of years? Maybe they can sign Oden to a max deal too…

    13. Hubert

      yellowboy90:
      ALso, can or would the Knicks be bold enough to use the stretch prevision on Amar’e to create a little room then trade Chandler for a pick and a TPE to make room for a FA in the summer of 14?

      I just spent the last 10 minutes figuring out how the stretch provision works and how we could apply it if LeBron actually wanted to come here. I was going to post the findings, but then I decided not to bother because LeBron is never going to want to come here.

      I will note that we could, if we were so inclined, reduce Amar’e and Bargnani’s cap figure from $35.4 to $11.8 in 2014-15. If you did that and traded Tyson and JR, you could free up $40mm+ in cap space in 2014 if Melo opted out.

      Shumpert, Felton, Hardaway Jr would be the only guys under contract. Them plus the dead space would equal around $20 million and I’m assuming the cap is around $60 million.

      We would have to carry $11.8 mil in dead space for two extra years, but frankly I don’t know if that’s really a big deal. Everyone carries around that much dead space anyway. We carried a lot more last year with Amar’e making $24mm and contributing very little.

    14. Hubert

      yellowboy90:

      My question is what would be the max Melo could get on a 1 year deal if he opt out after 14? Could they work out a deal to pay him big one year and then he comes back to take a pay cut in 15. That way it minimizes the hit he would take financially. Then again their is still the risk of injury so I doubt that would happen.

      And this wouldn’t work. He is already set to make the maximum he can make in ’14 and ’15. There is no way to minimize the hit, he would just have to take it.

    15. er

      You Guys arent looking at this Melo thing logically. He is going to be 30 by the end of next season. This is probably his last chance at a max deal. This is JOB why the hell wouldn’t he take the money? Ppl bring up the pay cut lebron took, uh not really that much in reality maybe 1-2 mil a year. On top of that Lebron has HUGE endorsement deals ie 100 Mil rookie nike deal etc that melo never has sniffed.

    16. Hubert

      I think it makes more sense financially for Melo to opt in to his final year.

      Dolan is stupid enough to give him a max contract whether he is 30 or 31, right? (Rhetorical question.) But he wouldn’t give him one when he’s 35. So if he opts in, he would likely maximize the number of years he makes max money.

      Option A: Opt in for 2014-15, earn $23.5mm that season, then sign a 5 year, $147mm max contract from the Knicks in 2015. Total earnings = $170.5 million over the next 6 years.

      Option B: Opt out in 2014, sign a 5 year, $135mm max contract*, become a free agent in 2019 at age 35. Total earnings over the next 6 years = $135 million plus whatever salary you can command in 2019 when you’re 35.

      *the amount of a max contract in this option is less than it is in option A because it has a lower starting point.

    17. yellowboy90

      Hubert: I just spent the last 10 minutes figuring out how the stretch provision works and how we could apply it if LeBron actually wanted to come here.I was going to post the findings, but then I decided not to bother because LeBron is never going to want to come here.

      I will note that we could, if we were so inclined, reduce Amar’e and Bargnani’s cap figure from $35.4 to $11.8 in 2014-15. If you did that and traded Tyson and JR, you could free up $40mm+ in cap space in 2014 if Melo opted out.

      Shumpert, Felton, Hardaway Jr would be the only guys under contract.Them plus the dead space would equal around $20 million and I’m assuming the cap is around $60 million.

      We would have to carry $11.8 mil in dead space for two extra years, but frankly I don’t know if that’s really a big deal.Everyone carries around that much dead space anyway.We carried a lot more last year with Amar’e making $24mm and contributing very little.

      I didn’t think about Bargs too. that’s not a bad option.

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