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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jan 30 2013)

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Smith, Shumpert looking to â??pick’ it up and get on a â??roll’ (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:23:40 -0500)
    The Knicks’ offense has stagnated the last eight games, bogged down by too much isolation and too many jumpers. In order to alleviate that problem, coach Mike Woodson put J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert through a pick-and-roll crash course Tuesday in practice.
    “Our offense has struggled somewhat in terms…

  • [New York Post] Woodson wants Knicks to shore up their defense (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 01:25:15 -0500)
    The Knicks’ once-airtight defense has been leaking like a sieve lately, and coach Mike Woodson has let them hear about it. Woodson said he doesn’t want to listen to alibis and excuses about injuries, and demanded they take pride in guarding the man in front of them and not…

  • [New York Times] Lakers Hold Off Swarming Hornets to Maintain Run (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:46:21 GMT)
    The Los Angeles Lakers continued to build on their recent momentum with a 111-106 win over the New Orleans Hornets on Tuesday, as the home team staved off a late rally to register a third consecutive victory.

  • [New York Times] Lakers Edge Hornets 111-106 for 3rd Straight Win (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 07:13:36 GMT)
    Dwight Howard scored 24 points, Kobe Bryant had 14 points and 11 assists in another pass-first performance, and the Los Angeles Lakers hung on to beat the New Orleans Hornets 111-106 Tuesday night for their first three-game winning streak in five weeks.

  • [New York Times] Blazers Come From Behind to Beat Mavs 106-104 (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:04:23 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge hit a turnaround jumper at the final buzzer and the Portland Trail Blazers came back from a 21-point third-quarter deficit to beat the Dallas Mavericks 106-104 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] With So Many Ailing, Knicks Focus on Plan B (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:21:24 GMT)
    The Knicks’ Jason Kidd (back) and Tyson Chandler (neck) missed practice Tuesday because of their injuries.

  • [New York Times] Jennings Scores 30 as Bucks Beat Pistons (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:34:30 GMT)
    Brandon Jennings scored 20 of his 30 points in the third quarter, leading the Milwaukee Bucks to a 117-90 victory in Detroit.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Cavaliers Interested in Oden (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:05:03 GMT)
    Greg Oden’s next comeback could be with the Cavaliers.

  • [New York Times] Thompson Leads Warriors Past Cavaliers (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:53:06 GMT)
    Klay Thompson scored 32 points and the short-handed Golden State Warriors beat the host Cleveland Cavaliers, 108-95.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 106, Hawks 104: On Anthony’s Night of 3-Pointers, His Layup Wins It (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:36:15 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony completed a three-point play on a driving layup with 12.5 seconds left to lead the Knicks past the Hawks in front of a national television audience.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Section 15: Family Fun (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:44:02 GMT)
    A Nets game is a night out for the Pritchards of Bedford-Stuyvesant: Steve, Nicole and their toddler, Ivy.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks need to pick up ‘D’ regardless of who is on DL (Wed, 30 Jan 2013 04:45:21 GMT)
    Mike Woodson deemed Jason Kidd and Tyson Chandler as probable for Wednesday night against Orlando, but the Knicks’ defensive efficiency still remains no better than questionable. Regardless of who is or is not in the lineup, Woodson believes the Knicks must continue rediscovering the intensity with which they played in their own end in the early part of the season.

  • 29 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jan 30 2013)

    1. Frank O.

      Love the PnR practice.
      People don’t realize the Knicks are working in two starters mid-season, and yet they’re still winning.
      I think they are primed for a second half run.
      Shump’s comments on his knee are illuminating. Without saying it directly, he let us know in the Post story that that knee isn’t 100 percent…or at least he’s not 100 percent confident in it. People forget the psychological effect joint injuries have.

    2. Frank O.

      In a strange way, in this offensive, Amare might do well to watch tape of how David Lee ate off the land, especially when he’s on the floor with Melo.
      Melo will be the focal point, but a man of Amare’s size and athleticism could be monstrous around the basket. He easily could get a very efficient 20 a night that way, and probably 9 to 10 boards.

    3. Frank

      Learned about this site from Kevin McElroy’s twitter @knickerbacker – surprised we have not seen it here — nbawowy.com

      Basically looks like you can do lineup comparisons (not only who is ON court but also who is OFF court) and get all sorts of stats from it. Really impressive assuming all the numbers are right.

      Anyway – if these numbers can be believed, some nuggets:

      NYK with the “Broadway Bigs” lineup (STAT/Melo/Tyson) on-court:
      Offense: 1.192 PPP, TS 60.2, 29.5% ORR
      Defense: 1.034 PPP-against, TS-against 54.5, 79.5% NYK DRR
      That’s in 184 possessions so basically ~100 min worth. Small sample obviously but it seems pretty promising that the combo is not toxic.

      NYK with Felton/Kidd/Melo/Tyson on-court:
      Offense: 1.18 PPP, TS 58.1
      Defense: 1.055 PPP, TS 55.3
      ~750 possessions

      NYK with Felton/Kidd/Melo/Tyson on-court but without Brewer:
      Offense: 1.259 PPP, TS 61.2
      Defense: 0.982 PPP, TS 49.9
      340 possessions

      If you add Brewer back to that quartet, the offense falls to 1.12 PPP and the defense regresses to 1.118 PPP.

      Not that we needed any proof that Brewer has sucked, but there it is.

      Anyway – thanks for showing me that site Kevin! Really interesting stuff.

    4. Brian Cronin

      Big game tonight. If they win, they’re guaranteed to either gain a game on Miami or widen their lead over the Nets. Obviously, they should win tonight, but I don’t want to get too over-confident (as I think I have in the past).

    5. Owen

      I hate Kobe. That has been true for a while. I would rather bathe in acid than listen to a full postgame interview from him.

      But i have to say, his recent turn to passing is pretty fascinating.

      He has been incredibly productive in the last three games. And as the article below points out, the Lakers defense has done an about-face with Kobe shooting less (reasons unclear obviously but interesting nonetheless.)

      It really flies in the face of all the ecosystem arguments about how important it is for a player to be out there shooting a lot and constantly threatening to shoot more.

      It shows, I think, that an assist and a kobe assist are two fundamentally different things.

      I have to say, great work by Kobe. The last three games have been a real star turn.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-thinks-neo-matrix-could-ve-best-174850191–nba.html

    6. johnlocke

      One idea that JVG had was that when Kobe passes and everyone is involved, everyone also tries harder on the defensive end. Would be interesting to look at the correlation between team assists and the defensive end/efficiency for our Knicks who have fallen off the defensive end since the good start a month or two into the season.

      Oh and Kidd is out for the game….the Knicks are just the worst with divulging and accurately communicating injury info.

      Owen:
      I hate Kobe. That has been true for a while. I would rather bathe in acid than listen to a full postgame interview from him.

      But i have to say, his recent turn to passing is pretty fascinating.

      He has been incredibly productive in the last three games. And as the article below points out, the Lakers defense has done an about-face with Kobe shooting less (reasons unclear obviously but interesting nonetheless.)

      It really flies in the face of all the ecosystem arguments about how important it is for a player to be out there shooting a lot and constantly threatening to shoot more.

      It shows, I think, that an assist and a kobe assist are two fundamentally different things.

      I have to say, great work by Kobe. The last three games have been a real star turn.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-thinks-neo-matrix-could-ve-best-174850191–nba.html

    7. Owen

      Yeah, the article points out….quoting haberstroh….

      “In [the] 14 games [in which Bryant has notched three assists or fewer], the Lakers have allowed 108.2 points per 100 possessions, a defensive rating that would rank dead last in the NBA. But in games in which Bryant gets eight or more assists? That defensive rating improves to 100.1 points per 100 possessions. Now we’re talking.”

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Owen:
      Yeah, the article points out….quoting haberstroh….

      “In [the] 14 games [in which Bryant has notched three assists or fewer], the Lakers have allowed 108.2 points per 100 possessions, a defensive rating that would rank dead last in the NBA. But in games in which Bryant gets eight or more assists? That defensive rating improves to 100.1 points per 100 possessions. Now we’re talking.”

      Lots of armchair psychology and small sample size. I’m not denying that it’s a valid and reasonable hypothesis (I think the “conventional thinking” that leads to such a hypothesis is, in my experience, pretty tight), but I take 14 games as indicative of very little. We’re not talking about an general psychological trend so much as the response of a particular set of athletes (the 2012-13 Lakers). That’s shaky ground. Why not check it out over the course of Kobe’s career, starting when he became a legitimate volume shooter? Why not do it for any team that has a player with a USG > [some arbitrary value] with AST/48 < [some arbitrary value]?

      It's a cute idea, but totally unpersuasive.

    9. nicos

      Owen:
      I hate Kobe. That has been true for a while. I would rather bathe in acid than listen to a full postgame interview from him.

      But i have to say, his recent turn to passing is pretty fascinating.

      He has been incredibly productive in the last three games. And as the article below points out, the Lakers defense has done an about-face with Kobe shooting less (reasons unclear obviously but interesting nonetheless.)

      It really flies in the face of all the ecosystem arguments about how important it is for a player to be out there shooting a lot and constantly threatening to shoot more.

      It shows, I think, that an assist and a kobe assist are two fundamentally different things.

      I have to say, great work by Kobe. The last three games have been a real star turn.

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/kobe-bryant-thinks-neo-matrix-could-ve-best-174850191–nba.html

      I’m guessing a lot of that point differential is in transition- guys tend to stand around flat-footed while Kobe goes one on one making it a little tougher to get back on defense. And Kobe’s penchant for fade-aways in the lane make it impossible for him to get back on defense. That said, kind of hard to draw any conclusions about the efficacy, or lack thereof, of high-volume shooting based on one team over half a season (let alone one with three different coaches- it’d be very interesting to look at league-wide numbers over the course of a couple of years to see if there’s a real correlation between chuckers and team defensive efficiency.

    10. thenamestsam

      Gay to Toronto it sounds like. Interesting. Weird one. Sounds like Memphis will end up with Ed Davis and one of Detroit’s small forwards. If they get Prince I think I like this for them. Davis will be a decent fit off the bench and I think Prince can give them 90% of what they were getting from Gay.

    11. Owen

      Yeah, I don’t think that kind of trend is anything statistically meaningful, just that it’s my kind of spurious correlation, one which puts the accent on team play, passing, and defense.
      There are a million subplots to any NBA season that get trumpeted by the media. Not really into most of them. But this one is genuinely intriguing to me. That’s what I am saying….

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Lots of armchair psychology and small sample size. I’m not denying that it’s a valid and reasonable hypothesis (I think the “conventional thinking” that leads to such a hypothesis is, in my experience, pretty tight), but I take 14 games as indicative of very little. We’re not talking about an general psychological trend so much as the response of a particular set of athletes (the 2012-13 Lakers). That’s shaky ground. Why not check it out over the course of Kobe’s career, starting when he became a legitimate volume shooter? Why not do it for any team that has a player with a USG > [some arbitrary value] with AST/48 < [some arbitrary value]?

      It’s a cute idea, but totally unpersuasive.

    12. Brian Cronin

      Why NBA players should not be taken seriously when it comes to evaluating talent.

      Speaking of the trade, Kendrick Perkins tweeted:

      Are you serious Rudy Gay is right there under KD, Lebron, Kobe, and Melo. #badtrade

      I mean, if he was implicitly saying way under, I guess I agree.

    13. Brian Cronin

      While I am not necessarily a Rudy Gay fan, I still think the trade is kind of bullshit. I don’t like the idea of teams trading guys they would never normally trade just to save some money.

    14. ruruland

      Athletes in all ball sports have talked for decades about the need to pass the ball to a teammate to get them involved in the game mentally and to help maintain their focus over the course of competition.

      NFL/college quarterbacks, coaches and receivers have emphasized it, as have a long list of NBA legends who’ve spent most of their lives trying to understand the game.

      Is Jowles a social scientist now, attempting to write with such authority in the matter? gtfo
      It’s also something baseball people frequently talk about. Long innings, a pitcher that can’t throw strikes have the tendency of making it more difficult to focus on defense.

      Anyone who’s played any of these sports knows that when you’re involved in the game it’s easier to keep your focus.

      I’m not sure any studies have been done on this in any sport, but I don’t know why you’d write off such a common sense cause/effect.

      Jowles and Owen don’t know a goddamn thing about this either.

    15. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Why NBA players should not be taken seriously when it comes to evaluating talent.

      Speaking of the trade, Kendrick Perkins tweeted:

      I mean, if he was implicitly saying way under, I guess I agree.

      Good defender with his length and athleticism. Just a mess offensively and has never really developed.

      I have no idea why the Raptors would trade for Gay when they have a stud like Landry Fields on the roster.

    16. thenamestsam

      Brian Cronin:
      While I am not necessarily a Rudy Gay fan, I still think the trade is kind of bullshit. I don’t like the idea of teams trading guys they would never normally trade just to save some money.

      Not sure I agree with that analysis of this trade the more I think about it. In the short run did Memphis get a little worse? Maybe, but only a little I think. Prince really is almost as good as Gay. A little worse for this specific team because they still really need some creativity on the perimeter, but still almost as good. In the long run, I think this deal helps them out even if you’re looking at it outside of a money perspective. Davis is really good and very under appreciated, plus he’s only 23. Longer term he allows them to keep playing the same sort of style if they want to trade Z-Bo to strengthen the perimeter. Getting the big $ savings is just icing on the cake.

    17. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      While I am not necessarily a Rudy Gay fan, I still think the trade is kind of bullshit. I don’t like the idea of teams trading guys they would never normally trade just to save some money.

      I actually think, depending on the sf, the Grizz could improve in this deal. It should tighten their identity as an inside out team. Gay never really seemed to complement those bigs.

      That said, Prince or Maggette won’t cut it.

    18. ruruland

      thenamestsam: Not sure I agree with that analysis of this trade the more I think about it. In the short run did Memphis get a little worse? Maybe, but only a little I think. Prince really is almost as good as Gay. A little worse for this specific team because they still really need some creativity on the perimeter, but still almost as good. In the long run, I think this deal helps them out even if you’re looking at it outside of a money perspective. Davis is really good and very under appreciated, plus he’s only 23. Longer term he allows them to keep playing the same sort of style if they want to trade Z-Bo to strengthen the perimeter. Getting the big $ savings is just icing on the cake.

      See, I think Prince is a couple notches below Gay. Maybe he gets reinvigorated going to a contender like weve seen with so many older

    19. johnlocke

      I believe in the statement that the team that gives away the best player loses 9 times out of 10. Gay is clearly the best player in this trade – assuming they’re getting something else in addition to Prince, but if it’s just about saving money, I guess it sucks to be a small/medium market team. This is NOT good for the Grizzlies.

      ruruland: I actually think, depending on the sf, the Grizz could improve in this deal. It should tighten their identity as an inside out team. Gay never really seemed to complement those bigs.

      That said, Prince or Maggette won’t cut it.

    20. johnlocke

      Yeh, he’s also 6 years older than Gay

      ruruland: See, I think Prince is a couple notches below Gay. Maybe he gets reinvigorated going to a contenderlike weve seen with so many older

    21. mokers

      I will defend THCJ and agree about the sample size. That analysis just screams that somebody is trying to fit things into a narrative. We really need to compare it to other players with similar usage to even begin to make assumptions about the data. Still interesting though.

      Gay to Toronto has to be only the first step, right? Or are they just trying to get under the cap for next year?

    22. ruruland

      johnlocke:
      Ibelieve in the statement that the team that gives away the best player loses 9 times out of 10. Gay is clearly the best player in this trade – assuming they’re getting something else in addition to Prince, but if it’s just about saving money, I guess it sucks to be a small/medium market team. This is NOT good for the Grizzlies.

      Yeah, there’s also a decent chance Gay has a great second half and or playoff run. Seems like Memphis would be trading extremely low right now.

    23. thenamestsam

      ruruland: See, I think Prince is a couple notches below Gay. Maybe he gets reinvigorated going to a contenderlike weve seen with so many older

      Depends how much stock you put into how Gay has played this year I think. He has pretty quietly been absolutely brutal on the offensive end. I assume if you think he’s significantly better than Prince going forward it’s because you think he can get back to where he has been, not because of what he has shown this year.

      For me, it’s pretty close on defense. Gay is a bit better because he’s strong enough to handle some bigger guys that Tayshaun struggles with. On offense Tayshaun is the more natural role player. Better passer, better mover off the ball, similar as spot up shooters. Gay has the ability to create his own shot more, but again, he hasn’t been making ANY of those shots this year.

    24. ruruland

      mokers:
      I will defend THCJ and agree about the sample size. That analysis just screams that somebody is trying to fit things into a narrative. We really need to compare it to other players with similar usage to even begin to make assumptions about the data. Still interesting though.

      Gay to Toronto has to be only the first step, right? Or are they just trying to get under the cap for next year?

      Kobes passing is unprecendented and team assists have skyrocketed ( he’s not simply hogging the assists) .

      Even wins produced incorporates assists into their model.

    25. Owen

      Kobe has been absolutely awesome. 2 out of the 3 games he had a WinScore over 20. Wins Produced loves the New Mamba…….

      I hate narrative fitting more than most. I just find this particular narrative irresistible, considering what an incredible about face it is by the ultimate ball hog to suddenly become a premier passer. And how it plays into my predilections about volume scoring and sharing the ball.

      Are they winning because of his passing? Is it just a coincidence? I don’t think so. Having watched two of the games, albeit against mediocre competition, they look a lot more dangerous when he is sharing the ball…..

      And for the record, Jowles is a social scientist I believe. And I don’t recall ever saying that sharing a ball on a basketball court is anything but a good thing. You know where i am going with this right?

      Yeah, maybe Melo should try it…..

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