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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jan 23 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Melo says feud with Garnett is over (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:05:40 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony very well might be treated like a “cereal” killer Thursday night by the fans in Boston, but the Knicks’ star forward vows that his recent feud with Celtics counterpart Kevin Garnett is over.

  • [New York Daily News] Felton eyeing weekend return to Knicks (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:00:40 GMT)
    Assuming Raymond Felton is cleared for contact by the training staff in the next few days, the point guard believes there’s a “big chance” he will play Saturday in Philadelphia for the first time since suffering a broken right pinkie in Los Angeles on Christmas Day.

  • [New York Post] Hoping to return on Saturday, Felton must energize stagnant Knicks (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:23:25 -0500)
    Everybody Loves Raymond now.
    Who knew starting point guard Raymond Felton would emerge as the Knicks’ most indispensable player â?? the engine that ignites the Cadillac. Without him since after Christmas, the Knicks offense has looked like an old Buick station wagon.
    The post-Christmas, Felton-less Knicks are a mediocre 5-6, allowing…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Melo won’t bite on trash-talk rematch (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:30:44 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony just wants a victory in Beantown â?? not Kevin Garnett’s scalp. That will be payback enough.
    Melo isn’t trying to stir the KG pot as the rematch awaits tomorrow at TD Garden. Anthony and Garnett engaged in a vicious trash-talking war in the fourth quarter on Jan…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Kidd, Prigioni assist with perimeter defense (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:04:19 EDT)
    When Mike Woodson decided to assign Jason Kidd — not Iman Shumpert — to Deron Williams before the Nets game on Monday, it caught some by surprise.
    Williams was coming off a 13-point first quarter in a win over the Hawks, and he had jumped up his overall scoring in the period from 5.6 points before Dec. 28 points to seven since. His speed, quickness and All-Star ability to weave around screens, penetrate, cover the court, score and pass all posed the necessary threats to give the assignment to the younger and defensive-minded Shumpert.

  • [New York Times] Dominant Durant Lifts Thunder Over Clippers (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:04:07 GMT)
    Kevin Durant put on a second-half show to help Oklahoma City overwhelm the Los Angeles Clippers 109-97 on Tuesday in a possible dress rehearsal for this season’s Western Conference finals.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Beat Clippers 109-97 to Extend West Lead (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 06:16:22 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 32 points, Russell Westbrook added 26 and the Oklahoma City Thunder defeated the Los Angeles Clippers 109-97 on Tuesday night in a matchup of teams with the two best records in the NBA.

  • [New York Times] Mayor KJ Tells Seattle ‘Don’t Celebrate Too Early’ (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:58:23 GMT)
    Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson had a stern warning for Seattle SuperSonics fans who are excited about the prospect of the NBA returning to the Puget Sound next season.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Clear Cap Space in Trade (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 04:16:30 GMT)
    The Memphis Grizzlies traded Marreese Speights, Wayne Ellington, Josh Selby and a future first-round draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Jon Leuer.

  • [New York Times] Ilyasova, Jennings Lead Bucks Past 76ers, 110-102 (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:40:12 GMT)
    Ersan Ilyasova had 27 points and 16 rebounds, Brandon Jennings scored 25 points and the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Philadelphia 76ers 110-102 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Outmuscle Magic in 105-90 Win (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:16:21 GMT)
    Jason Maxiell, Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe combined for 38 points and 28 rebounds, and the Detroit Pistons pulled away to beat the undersized Orlando Magic 105-90 Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Knicks-Celtics Rivalry Expected to Heat Up in Boston (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:06:59 GMT)
    The Knicks play the Celtics in Boston Thursday for the first time since Carmelo Anthony was suspended for one game for his confrontation with Kevin Garnett on Jan. 7.

  • [New York Times] Irving Leads Cavalers Past Celtics, 95-90 (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:01:55 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving scored 15 of his 40 points in the fourth quarter, including several key late baskets, to lead the Cleveland Cavaliers in a 95-90 victory over the Boston Celtics on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Nets’ Joe Johnson Still Presents Problems, as Knicks Can Attest (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:59:01 GMT)
    Nets guard Joe Johnson may not be the explosive scorer he was with Atlanta, but he still makes the game easier for his teammates.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: For Chris Andersen, Another Chance (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:47:00 GMT)
    After being released by the Nuggets last offseason, Chris Anderson has been looking for N.B.A. work and the Heat have signed him to a 10-day contract.

  • [New York Times] Sacramento Mayor Says Won’t Give Up Fight for Basketball’s Kings (Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:13:12 GMT)
    A day after the announcement of a binding agreement that would move basketball’s Sacramento Kings to Seattle, the mayor of Sacramento said he was still fighting for the team and warned Seattle fans not to celebrate just yet.

  • 32 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jan 23 2013)

    1. BigBlueAL

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Hooray! James Dolan owns the richest franchise in the league! I’m so happy!

      Knicks #1! Yay!

      Sad part is this news probably makes Dolan think he really is a smart owner doing a helluva job running his team lol.

    2. BigBlueAL

      JK47:
      Couldn’t afford Jeremy Lin though.

      True but it also speaks to how silly the notion during the summer was about how it was such a horrible move letting Lin go because not only would it hurt the the team on the court but hurt it off the court as well too.

    3. flossy

      If Kidd goes to the bench once Felton returns, does that mean Copeland stays in the starting line-up at the 3, or do we return to a more conventional starting five of Felton/Shump/Melo/Stat/Chandler? (I assume the corpse of Ronnie Brewer will not be getting any more starts.)

      Personally, I seriously hope it’s the latter. Even though we lost against the Nets, the second half suggested to me that Melo/Amar’e/Tyson can develop some synergy on the court together if given enough reps, and honestly I think Copeland should be reserved for garbage time. He’s not the caliber of player that belongs in the starting line-up of a team that hopes to go deep in the playoffs.

    4. ruruland

      I’m calling out John Kenney, who posted on Twitter in an exchange with Zach Lowe that the Lakers are currently not running the Suns offense under MDA.

      I don’t see how he can make that case. It can be easily verified via Synergy and youtube that they are running the same offense D’Antoni’s always run.

      I’m interested in hearing your argument, John.

    5. jon abbey

      Amar’e has to start then, it’s a little silly having both him and JR coming off the bench and the Copeland thing is embarrassing against good teams.

    6. ruruland

      John’s contention is that the Lakers current x’s and o’s are “fine.”

      I strongly disagree. And Lowe alluded to them being fine as well in his Grantland piece with Simmons.

    7. d-mar

      flossy:
      If Kidd goes to the bench once Felton returns, does that mean Copeland stays in the starting line-up at the 3, or do we return to a more conventional starting five of Felton/Shump/Melo/Stat/Chandler?(I assume the corpse of Ronnie Brewer will not be getting any more starts.)

      Personally, I seriously hope it’s the latter.Even though we lost against the Nets, the second half suggested to me that Melo/Amar’e/Tyson can develop some synergy on the court together if given enough reps, and honestly I think Copeland should be reserved for garbage time.He’s not the caliber of player that belongs in the starting line-up of a team that hopes to go deep in the playoffs.

      Completely agree about Copeland, he’s totally useless if he’s not scoring, and against the better defensive teams, he can’t do that either. Only problem with starting STAT is it leaves us really thin on the bench in the big man dept. with Sheed and Camby out. I think unfortunately you have to keep starting Brewer and hope he can actually make an outside shot, at least he’s a decent defender.

    8. BigBlueAL

      I guess Woodson doesnt realize the Felton/Kidd backcourt is a +10.1 pts/100. I guess its not that big a deal if they dont start together but sure hope they still play decent minutes together especially down the stretch of close games.

    9. DRed

      BigBlueAL:
      I guess Woodson doesnt realize the Felton/Kidd backcourt is a +10.1 pts/100.I guess its not that big a deal if they dont start together but sure hope they still play decent minutes together especially down the stretch of close games.

      Seems a bit silly to me, but if Shump still has a minutes cap it’s not that bad of an experiment. Also, it might be good to give Kidd fewer minutes.

    10. mr.JayP

      DRed: Seems a bit silly to me, but if Shump still has a minutes cap it’s not that bad of an experiment.Also, it might be good to give Kidd fewer minutes.

      Kidd should go on a lil vaca so we can have him fresh heading into the playoff.

      Even tho copeland is not a good defensive player, is stat really an upgrade? Not really. The only good thing about copeland which I like in the starting 5 is that he does hustle, plays with energy and can knock down a 3 pt-er to help stretch the floor. To give melo/Ty/Felton more room to operate.

      I like the idea of stat n jr coming off the bench. Sometimes our bench can be lethargic and depend too much on Jr’s 86ft step back J.

    11. DRed

      I also think we should set our starting lineup according to matchup with Melo, Tyson and Felton being the constants. But maybe the players would be uncomfortable with that.

    12. jon abbey

      BigBlueAL:
      I guess Woodson doesnt realize the Felton/Kidd backcourt is a +10.1 pts/100.I guess its not that big a deal if they dont start together but sure hope they still play decent minutes together especially down the stretch of close games.

      I’m sure he realizes that, but Kidd only has so many minutes in him over the course of the season, and this is a way to preserve a few more of those for later in the season.

    13. dogrufus

      The triumphalism here saddens me. We’re just an also-ran in the East. We can’t beat a single conference rival at home. We don’t have a PG on the roster that could start for even five teams and we’re bragging on how smart we were passing on Lin, basically because we won some games at the very beginning of the season.

      Nothing we’ve done in the last 15 games would suggest we’re anything better than a marginal playoff team, and we’re completely maxed out with no hope of improvement in the next five years.

      But yeah, things are awesome because Dolan’s bottom line looks good. Too bad we have a bottom 10 defense and can’t score on Boston, Chicago, Indy, or NJ to save our lives.

    14. ruruland

      dogrufus:
      The triumphalism here saddens me.We’re just an also-ran in the East.We can’t beat a single conference rival at home.We don’t have a PG on the roster that could start for even five teams and we’re bragging on how smart we were passing on Lin, basically because we won some games at the very beginning of the season.

      Nothing we’ve done in the last 15 games would suggest we’re anything better than a marginal playoff team, and we’re completely maxed out with no hope of improvement in the next five years.

      But yeah, things are awesome because Dolan’s bottom line looks good.Too bad we have a bottom 10 defense and can’t score on Boston, Chicago, Indy, or NJ to save our lives.

      What kind of response do you feel this post should generate?

    15. ruruland

      dogrufus:
      The triumphalism here saddens me.We’re just an also-ran in the East.We can’t beat a single conference rival at home.We don’t have a PG on the roster that could start for even five teams and we’re bragging on how smart we were passing on Lin, basically because we won some games at the very beginning of the season.

      Nothing we’ve done in the last 15 games would suggest we’re anything better than a marginal playoff team, and we’re completely maxed out with no hope of improvement in the next five years.

      But yeah, things are awesome because Dolan’s bottom line looks good.Too bad we have a bottom 10 defense and can’t score on Boston, Chicago, Indy, or NJ to save our lives.

      Should I counter with facts and logic, or keep it in your vein of posting?

    16. Douglas

      dogrufus:
      The triumphalism here saddens me.We’re just an also-ran in the East.We can’t beat a single conference rival at home.We don’t have a PG on the roster that could start for even five teams and we’re bragging on how smart we were passing on Lin, basically because we won some games at the very beginning of the season.

      Nothing we’ve done in the last 15 games would suggest we’re anything better than a marginal playoff team, and we’re completely maxed out with no hope of improvement in the next five years.

      But yeah, things are awesome because Dolan’s bottom line looks good.Too bad we have a bottom 10 defense and can’t score on Boston, Chicago, Indy, or NJ to save our lives.

      Yo, I called you out after the Hornets game, but you were nowhere to be found.

      Were Kenny, Ernie, and Shaq missing you in the studio?

    17. Brian Cronin

      The triumphalism here saddens me.We’re just an also-ran in the East.We can’t beat a single conference rival at home.We don’t have a PG on the roster that could start for even five teams and we’re bragging on how smart we were passing on Lin, basically because we won some games at the very beginning of the season.

      Nothing we’ve done in the last 15 games would suggest we’re anything better than a marginal playoff team, and we’re completely maxed out with no hope of improvement in the next five years.

      But yeah, things are awesome because Dolan’s bottom line looks good.Too bad we have a bottom 10 defense and can’t score on Boston, Chicago, Indy, or NJ to save our lives.

      It’s sort of like pointing out that the Emperor isn’t wearing clothes when he’s actually wearing nice clothes.

      I don’t think anyone is really proud of the team being worth more money than the Lakers (I know I sure am not). It’s just an interesting story that Al decided to have a little fun with. And as far as being an also-ran in the East, the Knicks currently have the second-best record in the conference (and just two games behind the best record in the conference). Meanwhile, they’ve been doing it while playing without an important player. There is obviously some cause for concern, but there’s cause for concern with pretty much every team in the NBA. Even OKC has their problems. So sure, feel free to point out causes for concerns, but to act like Knicks fans should not be happy with the best first half that the Knicks have had since Jeff Van Gundy was the coach is unfair.

    18. Brian Cronin

      Annoyingly, since the Bulls had the best record at the break last season, Spoelstra is eligible to coach this year’s All Star Game so the Knicks would have to pass the Heat for Woody to get the gig. That’d be really awesome if it happened (sorry, me mentioning JVG made me recall the last time that the Knicks had a team where having their coach coach in the All Star Game was a yearly possibility).

    19. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      Annoyingly, since the Bulls had the best record at the break last season, Spoelstra is eligible to coach this year’s All Star Game so the Knicks would have to pass the Heat for Woody to get the gig. That’d be really awesome if it happened (sorry, me mentioning JVG made me recall the last time that the Knicks had a team where having their coach coach in the All Star Game was a yearly possibility).

      JVG did coach the 2000 East All-Star team although it was due to Bird having coached the team in 1998 (no All-Star Game in 1999). I remember the Knicks won on the final day before the records were used to choose the All-Star coaches and that win put them a game ahead of the Heat at the time for 2nd best record in the conference (Pacers obviously had best record). Riley as Knicks coach also coached the East in the 1993 All-Star Game.

      Also yeah I wasnt exactly bragging about the Knicks being #1 on the Forbes list. I could give a rat’s ass about that lol.

    20. Brian Cronin

      Yeah, that’s just the season I was thinking of, Al. But even before then, the Knicks were routinely at least in the running to have their coach coach the All Star Game, which is great. I always love when the Yankee manager gets to coach the MLB All Star Game (even if Yankee managers haven’t exactly done a great job with it).

      Off the top of your head, if Riley had not coached the 1993 All-Star Game, would he have been the coach for 1994? I know I could just look it up, but I figure if you know it off the top of your head, it’ll save me some effort. ;)

    21. BigBlueAL

      Not sure, I just looked up their records at the end of the last 2 weekends in January assuming one of those times was the date used to choose the coaches and the Knicks were half a game ahead at the end of one of them while the Hawks were half a game ahead in the other one.

      BTW Torre actually never lost an All-Star Game, he was 5-0 plus the infamous tie in 2002. Girardi was criticized pretty heavily actually for the way he seemingly mismanaged the later innings of the 2010 All-Star Game which the AL lost 3-1. It was the first win by the NL since 1996 lol.

    22. Brian Cronin

      I was thinking more about Torre’s handling of the roster, which forced them to actually change the rules twice (once to take away as much control from the AL manager, as Torre kept picking his own guys and the second time because Torre filled his roster with pitchers he wouldn’t use in the infamous tie game).

      But yeah, with Girardi I was thinking about his managing job. A weird time by him. It still kills me that Hughes was the guy who gave up the game-losing runs.

    23. Frank

      I usually agree with Zach Lowe on most things, but I have overall been impressed with Amare. Yes his defense is God-awful, but it’s not so much worse than it ever was. Plus, I think the best situation for Amare is to play with Rasheed on defense. But Amare’s offense? It looks really quite good to me. He’s #4 in the league in post PPP at 1.07. He’s barely isolating at all (only 5% of possessions). He hasn’t really played with a good PNR guard yet but still is top 25 in the league with 1.09 PPP on PNRs. When his jumper comes back (and maybe it’s on its way — has looked much better in recent games), he’ll really be an elite offensive player again, albeit with less usage than in the past.

      His defense? It’ll obviously never be good, but if protected by playing with Tyson or Rasheed, it’ll be fine. He should still probably come out for defensive purposes when possible at end of games (eventually Camby/Tyson is probably our best defensive frontcourt), but I’ve been pretty happy with what I’ve seen from Amare.

      Meanwhile, I am quite surprised by how much we’ve missed Rasheed Wallace. Having Amare as the primary C on the 2nd unit (albeit with Novak etc. as the PF) has made that unit horrible on D.

    24. Frank

      btw, despite being a huge Jeremy Lin fan, I still am quite ok with the decision over the offseason to let him go. He’s really not playing particularly well (for the year – TS 50.8%, 28% from 3 point range, on a usage of ~20), and lately Patrick Beverley and Toney Douglas have been getting more and more minutes. Now before anyone says that his numbers are better than Felton’s, one should realize that the Knicks are FAR better with Felton on the floor than off the floor whereas the Rockets are better without Lin on offense AND defense (net rating +2.9 without him even considering the guys who back Douglas up are basically scrap heap guys). And not that W/L in a small sample is that reliable, but the Knicks are 5-6 without Felton, and 20-8 WITH Felton.

    25. Brian Cronin

      The Knicks could have had both. Would they be 5-6 in the games Felton missed if Lin was on the team? Highly unlikely. That’s one of the reasons why I’m still in “it was a no brainer to match” territory.

    26. Frank

      Brian Cronin:
      The Knicks could have had both. That’s one of the reasons why I’m still in “it was a no brainer” territory.

      The big issue with the “both” side of things is the media circus if J-Lin gets benched or doesn’t play much because he’s not playing that well. This team has enough drama, doesn’t need more of it for a guy who will likely be a middle-of-the-pack PG.

      Honestly – ignoring the fact that Felton got hurt, since one can never predict injuries (and Felton has historically been very durable), which one of these two players would you rather have — all things considered, including salary and drama potential?

      http://bkref.com/tiny/aVOZS

      It’s really not a no-brainer. If anything can be said about Grunwald at this point in his Knicks career, it’s that he is a very shrewd evaluator of cheap under-the-radar talent- and you have to think that NO ONE knew his game better than the Knicks did. It’s entirely likely that he made the calculation that over the next 2-3 years, he thought Kidd + Felton + Prigs > Lin + Felton from $, team chemistry, and NYC media drama perspectives.

      I also think, given that we know that SportVu is in MSG, and how the team’s shot distribution has changed markedly to favor more efficient shots, that there were a fair amount of analytics involved in these decisions. Just because Woody/Grunwald et al. don’t talk about analytics doesn’t mean they don’t see and use lots of them.

    27. Brian Cronin

      It’s entirely likely that he made the calculation that over the next 2-3 years, he thought Kidd + Felton + Prigs > Lin + Felton from $, team chemistry, and NYC media drama perspectives.

      I will certainly concede that that is “possible,” but I don’t agree with “likely.” I think “likely” still points toward Grunwald being overruled by Dolan. There is no realistic way Woodson and Kidd say the things they said if Grunwald was not planning on bringing Lin back.

      And I know it sounds like I’m taking the piss here, but seriously, “Grunwald must have some magic hidden formula that says it was a bad idea to bring Lin back” is something I would accept. I agree that I trust Grunwald’s instincts a lot. I just don’t believe he did have said magic hidden formula that says it was a bad idea to bring Lin back. The day we learn that Grunwald was behind this move is the day I will concede, as yes, I do trust him enough to trust his judgment on the decision.

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