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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jan 04 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Help could be on way for Knicks (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 03:48:25 GMT)
    Monday, Carmelo Anthony was begging for someone else to make a shot. Wednesday, it looks like Anthony might get some help from Amar’e Stoudemire and Iman Schumpert, who practiced Tuesday.

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e, ShumpertALL ride to rescue of Knicks (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 02:23:01 GMT)
    Tuesday afternoon Carmelo Anthony was joking around about his one-man show at the Garden Monday night. Anthony scored 35 points, but could not single-handedly lift the Knicks past the Raptors.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Feel Effects of Missing Players (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 06:40:09 GMT)
    The offense has stagnated in the absence of Amar’e Stoudemire and Iman Shumpert. Both seem likely to return Wednesday.

  • [New York Times] Deng’s Layup Leads Bulls Past Hawks (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:29:08 GMT)
    Luol Deng’s layup with 3.7 seconds to play lifted the Chicago Bulls to a 76-74 victory over the Atlanta Hawks on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Irving, Thompson Lead Cavaliers Past Bobcats (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:32:06 GMT)
    The rookie Kyrie Irving had 20 points, leading the host Cleveland Cavaliers to a 115-101 win over the Charlotte Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Finds Shooting Touch as Lakers Down Rockets (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 07:18:29 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant rediscovered his scoring touch to tally 37 points and lead the Los Angeles Lakers to top spot in the Pacific division with a 108-99 win over the visiting Houston Rockets on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Kobe Scores 37, Lakers Hold Off Rockets 108-99 (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 06:09:43 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 37 points, Andrew Bynum had 21 points and 22 rebounds in the first 20-20 game of his career, and the Los Angeles Lakers beat the Houston Rockets 108-99 Tuesday night for their fourth victory in five games.

  • [New York Times] Jefferson Scores 26 in Jazz’s 85-73 Win Over Bucks (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:59:16 GMT)
    Al Jefferson scored a season-high 26 points to lead the Utah Jazz to an 85-73 win over the Milwaukee Bucks on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Gay, Young Lead Grizzlies Past Kings, 113-96 (Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:48:37 GMT)
    Rudy Gay scored 23 points, Sam Young added 20 and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Sacramento Kings 113-96 on Tuesday night.

  • 38 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Jan 04 2012)

    1. Doug

      Really? I don’t see this is especially troubling. Troubling that no one could hit the ocean, but not that there’s a systematic flaw in D’Antoni’s coaching style.

    2. taggart4800

      Apart from Melo, who I think should have taken it to the hole more, the floor was littered with ’3pt specialists’. If those guys get wide open looks then surely that isn’t a bad shot. Bibby sure as hell ain’t hitting a contested layup anytime soon.
      That is also what the defense was giving them. Toronto consistently sagged into the paint to curtail Chandler and Melo and therefore left those camped out behind the line with acres of space.

    3. llcoolbp

      Unfortunately, the Knicks have the label of “3 point specialists” assigned to:

      1) mike bibbys corpse- who is more washed up then an actual corpse.
      2) Josh harrelson – who’s cool nickname and frat boy look, makes us all like him more then we should.
      3) bill “I’m not sky” walker- the king of charges and low basketball IQ.
      4) landry fields- can’t hit a field much less an ocean with his 3 ball.
      5) Tony douglas- mr. Streaky, who as no business playing unless he gets on a hot streak.
      6) Steve Novak – the only true specialist on this list.

      Look at that list of players. That is one sorry bunch. I really hope Nate Robinson shines in golden state. You are telling me he wouldn’t be a better option then mike bibby or bill walker?

    4. llcoolbp

      Dantoni really needs to go. His rigid coaching style can’t work with this team. Listen, stephon and Nate might have had bad attitudes, but the way dantoni handled them was wrong. Humiliating and alienating them. Once you are in his dog house, it’s over. We are seeing that again with balkman. Dantoni is out of touch. Let Woodson take over as interim, and see how he does.

    5. ess-dog

      Will everyone please hold off on the crazy pills until after tonight’s game at least? We’ve been playing w/o Amare, Shump and Jeffries and the first two should play tonight.

      Has anyone else noticed that Fields is taking (missing) the corner three this year BUT it seemed like last year, the top of the arc three was really his specialty? Unfortunately, that seems to be Douglas’ spot too. We’re sort of missing Shawne in the corner and I think that’s why Novak got all that burn. Maybe Shump can hit more from the corner than Fields?

      I’m not against taking open threes, I’m against missing open threes.

    6. gbaked

      @1
      Talk about selective editing.

      How about some of the rest of the quotes, ya know, to put it in context:

      After watching the game film, and evaluating the shots in context, D’Antoni said most of the 3-point attempts were the best shots available at the time. The Raptors, with the 7-footer Andrea Bargnani in the middle, had taken away the interior.

      “It’s hard to tell a player, ‘Don’t take that shot, just drive it into the 7-footer and then see what happens,’ ” D’Antoni said. “Did we force a couple? Probably.”

      and

      “You’re playing Novak and Josh Harrellson, you’re going to get a lot of 3s,” D’Antoni said. “You play Amar’e and Jared, you’re going to get a lot of 2s.”

      So yeah, with the players we had going agaisnt the team we were, maybe the 3 point shot wasnt that bad an idea. It did bring a team missing major players within a shot of the win.

    7. d-mar

      Can things get any worse for the Nets? D-Will and Humphries out vs. the Celtics. I can’t imagine Howard is going to look at this as a situation he wants to get involved in, injuries notwithstanding.

    8. jon abbey

      from now on, I move that the first post for every game thread be “SHUMP SHUMP”.

      this will catapult us to a strong regular season and a playoff series win. thanks in advance.

    9. Frank O.

      jon abbey:
      from now on, I move that the first post for every game thread be “SHUMP SHUMP”.

      this will catapult us to a strong regular season and a playoff series win. thanks in advance.

      Indeed.

    10. chrisk06811

      I totally second the SHUMP SHUMP. It should also be used whenever someone makes an excellent point. Kinda like “WORD” in the 80′s. or, for me, “WORD” today.

      I am disappointed nobody caught my comedy on yesterday’s thread:

      chrisk06811 says:
      January 3, 2012 at 4:52 pm
      knickterp: Shumpert, if competent and healthy, will soon take Fields’ spot. Landry has no above-average skill: his shooting, defending, and penetrating are all mediocre, and his teammates and opponents know this.

      My ex-wife said my penetrating was mediocre.
      SHUMP SHUMP!!

    11. ess-dog

      Hornets grab Xavier Henry, Speights to the Grizz.

      I actually think the Hornets are going to come out of the Paul trade looking not too bad. They are collecting young talent. I kinda wish we’d done that at some point, but alas, we’re built to win now.

    12. Frank

      ess-dog:
      Will everyone please hold off on the crazy pills until after tonight’s game at least?

      CAN’T…STOP…TAKING…CRAZY…PILLS…!!!!
      Seriously – we do need to stop with the doom and gloom. We are 5 games into the season and half of our rotation has been out for those games (Amare, BD, Shumpert, Jefferies). We’ve played something called Jorts for 30+ min/game.

      So let’s stop with the crazy pills at least until February. If we’re 5-13 or however many games there are, then we can semi-panic at that point.

    13. Nick C.

      Look at how last year, with the “beloved” team, started and played out. The first ten games were pretty bad with a lot of “have they run a pick and roll” “why does Amare get the ball so far away he sucks at initiating” “shot shooting Chandler” “why does Gallo stand around” etc.

    14. Frank O.

      I hope Amare works more in the paint tonight. This front court could just dominate the paint if they learn to play together. There are PnR ops for Melo and Amare and Melo and Chandler. You don’t need a point to make that work.
      There simply is no defense for it, and it eliminates doubles for the most part. On the other hand, penetrations and kick outs would seem also to be there.
      I cannot wait to see those plays happening consistently. Just show our big three tapes of Stockton and the Mailman over and over. Shump Shump also could run PnRs. Big, mobile and strong.
      Start the offense simply and the rest will fall in line.

    15. New Guy

      gbaked:
      @1
      Talk about selective editing.

      How about some of the rest of the quotes, ya know, to put it in context:

      After watching the game film, and evaluating the shots in context, D’Antoni said most of the 3-point attempts were the best shots available at the time. The Raptors, with the 7-footer Andrea Bargnani in the middle, had taken away the interior.

      “It’s hard to tell a player, ‘Don’t take that shot, just drive it into the 7-footer and then see what happens,’ ” D’Antoni said. “Did we force a couple? Probably.”

      You’re right about the selective editing. But since when does Andre Bargnani and his career 0.93 blocks per game “take away the interior”?

      Yes, Mike. You do tell your players to drive at Andrea Bargnani. All day.

    16. xduckshoex

      I have no idea how anyone can characterize D’Antoni’s coaching style as “rigid”, especially after we were treated to years of Riley, Van Gundy, Brown and Wilkens.

    17. xduckshoex

      @20 – You tell your players to drive at Bargnani if they’re Melo, Amare, Shumpert or Douglas. If they’re Harrellson, Novak or Bibby? Not so much…

    18. cgreene

      ps: if it is so obvious to all of us about running the pnr w Amare why do we think it doesn’t happen? and i mean the question in all sincerity. we know it will work better. MDA knows it works. so really. why doesn’t it happen?

    19. Frank O.

      cgreene:
      ps: if it is so obvious to all of us about running the pnr w Amare why do we think it doesn’t happen?and i mean the question in all sincerity.we know it will work better.MDA knows it works.so really.why doesn’t it happen?

      Some guys have trouble making the passes. Felton struggled passing in the PnR. Nate had trouble with it too. Apparently, passing like that is difficult for some some.

    20. D.

      This from pro basketball talk twitter account, Only the #Knicks (17.2) are getting fewer points per game from their reserves than the #Clippers (19.3) so far. And y’all wonder why Melo shoots so much.

    21. xduckshoex

      So…is giving the reserves less shots supposed to make them more productive?

      If not, then I don’t really understand how that’s supposed to be the appropriate response.

    22. danvt

      I watched the game the other night on league pass broadband. It was a raptors telecast. The commentators continually talked about the Knicks second round pretensions and how Dwayne Casey’s squad was so disciplined and how, with the Raptors, “if you don’t play the right way you don’t play”, etc. The fact is, the Raptors had more talent than the Knicks on the floor the other night and more experience playing together. They really should have won by 10+.

      The Knicks, by March, will have Baron Davis and probably Kmart in the rotation. Hopefully everyone else stays / gets healthy and Shumpert becomes a player. By that time there will probably be no Bibby, maybe no Jorts, and definitely No-vak. The team will look completely different and we will look back on this and it will all seem funny. I hope we can stay at .500 until we get there.

      I wish we had the squad already but, hey, at least we have a season. I’d like to see “my guys” TD and Fields get it together. Amar’e coming back strong may be all we really need for vast improvement.

    23. Frank

      xduckshoex:
      So…is giving the reserves less shots supposed to make them more productive?

      If not, then I don’t really understand how that’s supposed to be the appropriate response.

      Or the reserves suck and can’t make shots. Remember, the non-Melo shooters are shooting 53 of 157 so far this year.

      The Knicks have a combined TS of 52.3% per John Hollinger’s team stat page. Melo has a TS of 59.1 and he has by far the highest usage on the team and still can’t drag the TS any higher than 52. Who should be shooting it again? What would the TS be without Melo?

    24. cgreene

      @danvt are you in NYC and able to watch Knicks on League Pass broadband? Seems like on the site it says local teams are blacked out.

    25. D.

      You can use a vpn to work around that or find a way to change your ip to a different location. Link coming.

      cgreene:
      @danvt are you in NYC and able to watch Knicks on League Pass broadband?Seems like on the site it says local teams are blacked out.

    26. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

      cgreene:
      @danvt are you in NYC and able to watch Knicks on League Pass broadband?Seems like on the site it says local teams are blacked out.

      Not to give up danvt’s secret mountain lair, but he’s in New England. No blackout worries there

    27. danvt

      Yeah, Vermont, and yeah, no blackouts. My saga has not been pretty but I have my beloved underachieving K’s for all 66 regular season games which is, unfortunately, more than I can say for Time Warner subscribers. These big corps really don’t care about us, btw. I had a huge glitch last year when I switched to comcast and found out they don’t offer LP in my area. The broadband version, as I was to find out, had a glitch which made it impossible, so I tried to watch using a Slingbox tm, which was SO BAD, as to be unwatchable. Like, you couldn’t tell if the ball went in, bad.

      But the broadband version offered a little plugin this year and kabam ssol is mine. Now, if they’d win, that’d be good.

    28. xduckshoex

      Frank: Or the reserves suck and can’t make shots.Remember, the non-Melo shooters are shooting 53 of 157 so far this year.

      The Knicks have a combined TS of 52.3% per John Hollinger’s team stat page.Melo has a TS of 59.1 and he has by far the highest usage on the team and still can’t drag the TS any higher than 52.Who should be shooting it again? What would the TS be without Melo?

      Fields’ TS% is down 9 points from last season, Douglas’ is down 9 points from last year, Amare’s is down 6 points, Bibby’s is down 36. Using current TS% to justify not passing to player operates under the faulty assumption that their current TS% is at or close to their ceiling. In addition to those players, Walker, Novak and Chandler are currently putting up TS% numbers better than Melo’s. These guys are able to make shots, there is absolutely no way to justify not giving them the ball and going one on five.

      The only players that argument works for are Bibby, who may very well be done, and Jorts, who has no NBA precedent for us to judge. Everyone else has proven they can hit shots at the NBA level.

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