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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Feb 22 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Jeremy Lin courting new Asian immigrants with dazzling playALL  (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:00:45 GMT)
    The Knicks’ newest star has Lin-troduced the game of basketball to whole new crop of fans. Expats of China and Taiwan â?? many of whom had never seen a game before Linsanity swept up New York â?? are quickly turning into die-hard Knicks fans because of Jeremy Lin.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo Drama: Can Anthony win in NY? (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:13:13 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony is arguably the most scrutinized star athlete in New York today. He’s got the lucrative contract, the impressive stats and the All-Star appearances. What he doesn’t have is a playoff resume.

  • [New York Daily News] Sports Illustrated goes Linsane for Knick (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:43:37 GMT)
    For the second week in a row, Knicks phenom Jeremy Lin has the cover spot in Sports Illustrated magazine â?? the first New York athlete to hold the honor.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ D’Antoni needs Melo, Lin to mix on court (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:03:08 GMT)
    Mike D’Antoni has been coaching the Knicks for four seasons, and by now we have a fairly good idea what kind of player flourishes while conforming to his motion offense, and what kind of player withers.

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Novak and Lin Are Flourishing Together (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:40:08 GMT)
    Steve Novak and Jeremy Lin played one game together last year in the N.B.A. Development League and have both thrived with the Knicks of late.

  • [New York Times] Hawks’ Emerging Point Guard Jeff Teague Is Next Up for Lin (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:48:04 GMT)
    Atlanta’s Jeff Teague has experienced the ups and downs that all first-time starting point guards in the N.B.A., outside of Jeremy Lin so far, seem to go through.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Slumping Sixers (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:11:51 GMT)
    Marc Gasol had 15 points and 14 rebounds, Rudy Gay scored 14 points and the host Memphis Grizzlies beat the Philadelphia 76ers, 89-76.

  • [New York Times] Blazers Crush Undermanned Spurs by 40 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 08:00:34 GMT)
    The Portland Trail Blazers made San Antonio pay dearly for resting two of their leading players on Tuesday, mauling the Spurs by 40 points in their worst defeat for nearly 15 years.

  • [New York Times] No Parker & Duncan, Spurs Fall to Blazers 137-97 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:50:44 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge had 21 points and the Portland Trail Blazers routed San Antonio 137-97 Tuesday night while the Spurs rested Tim Duncan and Tony Parker.

  • [New York Times] Super Subs Spark Heat to Seventh Straight Win (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:39:40 GMT)
    Miami’s reserves starred in a critical late-game stretch that delivered the Heat their seventh straight victory with a 120-108 home win over the Sacramento Kings on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Jamison, Irving Rally Cavs Past Pistons, 101-100 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:50:52 GMT)
    Antawn Jamison scored 32 points and rookie Kyrie Irving led Cleveland’s comeback from a 17-point deficit with 17 points in the fourth quarter, leading the Cavaliers to a 101-100 win over the Detroit Pistons on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hibbert Leads Pacers Past Hornets 117-108 in OT (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:33:17 GMT)
    Roy Hibbert had a career-high 30 points and 13 rebounds to lead the Indiana Pacers to a 117-108 overtime win over the New Orleans Hornets on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Streak at 7 After Beating Kings 120-108 (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:08:45 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade had 30 points and 10 assists, Mario Chalmers and Chris Bosh each scored 20 points and the NBA-leading Miami Heat stretched their winning streak to seven games with a 120-108 win over the Sacramento Kings on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Ties to Knicks’ Lin Peck at Taiwan Bookishness (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:56:29 GMT)
    In achievement-oriented Taiwan, where studying seems to be the preferred pastime activity among young people, the outdoor complex of basketball courts near National Taiwan University is normally a pretty lonely place, more used to hosting raindrops and discarded food wrappers than pivoting feet and jump shots.

  • [New York Times] Year After Trade, Melo’s Time as Knick Falls Short (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 00:29:39 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony briefly had what now belongs to Jeremy Lin.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: As Lin’s Legend Grows, MSG’s Ratings Keep Rising, Too (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 05:11:14 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin’s drawing power – even in losses – is helping the MSG Network set ratings records.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Davis Says Celebratory Gesture Was Just That (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:05:14 GMT)
    The Knicks guard said he was kissing his hands, not mimicking smoking marijuana, when he put his fingers to his lips Monday after making his first basket of the season, a 3-pointer.

  • [New York Times] TV Sports: TV Sports — When a Vile Ethnic Slur Goes Viral (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:48:04 GMT)
    Three people in the sports news media last week trotted out an exhausted old cliché and a Chinese slur when they referred to the Knicks’ Jeremy Lin.

  • [New York Post] Knicks need time to make all the pieces fit together (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:00:41 -0500)
    As the old proverb goes, Linsanity has to take one step back before taking two steps forward.
    The Linderella tale is in an adjustment stage as the Knicks fit flashy pieces named Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith and Baron Davis with global point guard phenomenon Jeremy Lin. After the All-Star…

  • [New York Post] Break will give D’Antoni shot to work magic (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:46:58 -0500)
    The All-Star break can’t come fast enough for the Knicks, and that’s not because they are playing in fear of losing the confidence they have gained since Linsanity took root like grass to sunny weather.
    A 100-92 loss to the Nets on Monday night may have exposed a…

  • [New York Post] Lin back on SI cover (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:52:45 -0500)
    Jeremy Lin has made the cover of Sports Illustrated for the second straight week.
    The last athlete to do so was Dirk Nowitzki last season, and he became Finals MVP.
    The headline says: “Jeremy’s World.”
    Michael Jordan made the cover three weeks in a row twice…

  • [New York Post] Dedes punished for Lin slur (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:37:09 -0500)
    Knicks radio voice Spero Dedes has been disciplined but not suspended by MSG for making a racially insensitive remark Friday on ESPN Radio during the Knicks’ loss to the Hornets, Jeremy Lin’s first running the Knicks.
    Dedes called the loss a “chink in the armor.â? ESPN fired a headline…

  • [New York Post] Lin has sympathy for Humphries (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:34:37 -0500)
    At least one person wasn’t booing Kris Humphries at the Garden on Monday night.
    Humphries, in an appearance on ESPN Radio yesterday, said he and Knicks point guard Jeremy Lin ran into each other following the Nets’ 100-92 win, and Lin told him the Garden crowd was overly hostile…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Davis: Gesture was blowing a kiss, not smoking a joint (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:34:24 -0500)
    Baron Davis was annoyed at a couple of Internet websites for posting a still-picture from the MSG Network telecast yesterday that characterized him as pretending to smoke a joint to celebrate hitting his first bucket as a Knick.
    Davis tweeted and his agent Todd Ramasar confirmed to The Post that…

  • [New York Post] Injured Shumpert likely to miss slam dunk contest (Wed, 22 Feb 2012 03:17:10 -0500)
    Rookie guard Iman Shumpert is expected to miss his second straight game tonight because of patella tendinitis in his left knee and likely will pull out of the All-Star Slam Dunk competition Saturday, according to a person close to the situation.
    Shumpert probably will miss tomorrow’s game in Miami…

  • 66 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Feb 22 2012)

    1. jon abbey

      let’s go with LIN LIN or SHUMP SHUMP to start game threads from now on, please. humor me, thanks.

    2. Dance like Oak

      ess-dog:
      Shump pulling out of the dunk contest?That’s not Shumpy.

      Yeah, but likely better for him and the Knicks. My impression is that the dunkaholics end up on the bench with knee problems… oh wait, why’d he pull out?

    3. Z-man

      Going to the game tonight with my 12yo son, bummed about Shump (we were among the few who wanted to draft him; my son utters phrases from Shump’s rap ditty “What If…” after every basket he makes!)

      I am hoping that we win tonight and all the posts are about how great we looked and how we shouldn’t change a thing. Then we derail the Heat and go into the all-star break above .500. Whatever, I am ready to roll with this team AS IS for the rest of the season.

    4. Z-man

      Lin is in the rookie-soph game Hopefully he plays and then comes straight home. Or, if not, meybe he spends some quality time with Melo.

    5. Z-man

      Dr. K: Check out this clean and objective analysis of Lin’s game, using alternative statistics — pretty cool. http://www.hoopstats101.blogspot.com/

      Thanks man, really interesting and kinda matches what the “eye test” would tell you. Of course, it doesn’t deal with D at all, and there, Jeremy probably falls out of this group.

    6. Frank O.

      jon abbey:
      let’s go with LIN LIN or SHUMP SHUMP to start game threads from now on, please. humor me, thanks.

      Awe. Another superstitious knickerblogger…lol

    7. ruruland

      Frank O.: Fascinating story. His improvements in one year are remarkable. 3.5 inches to his vertical? Fifteen pounds of muscle gain. Unbelievable.

      15 pounds of muscle isn’t really possible in time frame but impressive nonetheless

    8. Brian Cronin

      amazing that some one is so irresponsible to leave $1.2 million in the table.

      I dunno. We’re only hearing their side of the argument. It could be that they were basically treating him like an indentured servant and he felt that his dignity was worth more than money, ya know? I’m not saying that he wasn’t irresponsible, as he very well could have been the epitome of the “Ugly American.” I’m just saying that when we just have their side of the argument, it is not totally clear what the situation was like. Would it really be all that shocking to learn that they were treating him like crap? In his great book about his life on the fringes of professional basketball, Paul Shirley wrote a whole lot about how certain overseas basketball leagues A. treat you like crap and B. find all sorts of ways to avoid paying you what they told you they’d pay you. So I’m willing to give Smith some leeway here until all the facts are out there (which will likely be never, as Smith knows it is almost certainly not worth it for him to argue these points and make it into a bigger deal than it already is).

    9. bobneptune

      Brian Cronin: I dunno. We’re only hearing their side of the argument. It could be that they were basically treating him like an indentured servant and he felt that his dignity was worth more than money, ya know? I’m not saying that he wasn’t irresponsible, as he very well could have been the epitome of the “Ugly American.” I’m just saying that when we just have their side of the argument, it is not totally clear what the situation was like. Would it really be all that shocking to learn that they were treating him like crap? In his great book about his life on the fringes of professional basketball, Paul Shirley wrote a whole lot about how certain overseas basketball leagues A. treat you like crap and B. find all sorts of ways to avoid paying you what they told you they’d pay you. So I’m willing to give Smith some leeway here until all the facts are out there (which will likely be never, as Smith knows it is almost certainly not worth it for him to argue these points and make it into a bigger deal than it already is).

      funny how wilson chandler didn’t get fined 1.2 mirrion dollars.

      you sign a contract after having your lawyers look at it and most adults try to live up to it. other don’t.

      the earth keeps turning either way.

    10. formido

      Dr. K:
      Check out this clean and objective analysis of Lin’s game, using alternative statistics — pretty cool. http://www.hoopstats101.blogspot.com/

      That’s are some ways to look at it, but I don’t agree they’re the most accurate. I think that analyst continues to overstate the importance of turnovers. The only thing that matters to me is Lin’s aggregate affect on point differential:

      http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/37261/lin-makes-the-difference-for-the-knicks

      I’d love to see a comparison to other top PGs.

      The fact is, players get rewarded for things that show up in the box scores, so those things get optimized rather than players purely optimizing for winning. The literature is rife with evidence of the unintended consequences of misaligned incentives; and innumerable unmeasured outcome-affecting events occur in every game, a thousand tiny decisions.

      To give a small example: I remember one time the Suns were playing the Lakers in a playoff game and there were a few seconds left. They inbounded to Kobe who had a turnaround jumper at the elbow. Well, Nash ran at him from his blind side so that when he turned he was distracted and missed the jumper badly. Nash gets no credit for that play, but playing angles and cutting off opportunities is a huge part of team defense.

    11. formido

      For his part, there is a continual unsupported assertion in news articles and analysis that Lin is an, at best, average defender, or at least a poor on-the-ball defender. I suspect this is stereotyping and confirmation bias. First, people assume he’s slow–then, they only remember plays and games when he got beat. On the other hand, no one suddenly thinks Shawn Marion is a poor on-the-ball defender even though Lin tore him up the other day. Given that Lin’s 3 step burst is almost as fast as Derrick Rose’s:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inarvjDJuHo

      …and that’s the same athleticism that predicts defensive ability, it seems doubtful he’s a “slow-footed” defender, as John Hollinger put in his preseason player analysis.

      Moreover, on-the-ball defense isn’t the most important part of defense in basketball, IMO. How does Lin affect defensive efficiency in aggregate? Well, last year in the D-league, he had the number one defensive rating for any player:

      http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/the_hidden_side_jeremy_lin_2012_02_15.html

      This year he’s significantly and measurably bigger and faster, due to his offseason training program with a Silicon Valley startup:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/jeremy-lins-training-program-uses-software-science/2012/02/21/gIQAMw4DSR_video.html

    12. formido

      This is probably why last year he had excellenet D-league numbers, but this year he had a triple double in his one game. He literally has gotten a lot better.

      Lin is 8th in the league in PER, the only PGs ahead of him being Rose and CP3. And PER doesn’t reflect affect on team defense.

      My claim is that Lin has played, thus far, at an elite level. It would be fantastic if he cut down his turnovers and increased his free throw shooting percentage. But, if he were to continue to have precisely this productivity and aggregate affect on point differential for the rest of his career, it’s winning basketball and elite PG play. A little crazy given that he’s essentially a rookie and had no preseason with his team, no?

    13. formido

      ruruland: 15 pounds of muscle isn’t really possible in time frame but impressive nonetheless

      I gained 14 lbs of lean muscle in 5 weeks starting the second week of January of this year. It was measured using a hydrostatic body composition test.

      I was posting update weights and pics on this twitter:

      http://twitter.com/#!/monthtomuscle

      …but got lazy and stopped. I suppose I’ll post the second body-comp test tonight, since it’s come up.

      Incidentally, I didn’t even try very hard. There’s no doubt I could have gained significantly more if I’d worked out harder, ate more, and hadn’t partied two weekends.

    14. formido

      Z-man: Thanks man, really interesting and kinda matches what the “eye test” would tell you. Of course, it doesn’t deal with D at all, and there, Jeremy probably falls out of this group.

      So wrong. Where do you think 4+ steals the last three games comes from? Being bad at D?

    15. cgreene

      Z-man: Thanks man, really interesting and kinda matches what the “eye test” would tell you.Of course, it doesn’t deal with D at all, and there, Jeremy probably falls out of this group.

      Not sure I agree with you there. Steve Nash and Derrick Rose have never been plus defenders. Rose is helped by the incredible team D. Haven’t seen much from Lin that says he isn’t an adequate man defender and an excellent help defender. Yeah he got torched by Deron Williams. He’s not the first and won’t be the last. I was at that game and Williams hit at least 3 of his 3’s off screens where the screen defender did not help properly leaving Deron open enough for the shot. Not Lin’s fault.

    16. Z-man

      Not that I think Lin is destined to be a bad defender. I think that for now, though, he is not as good as anyone in this group, except maybe Nash, who is pretty crafty as a defender. PG defense is really hard to measure because if you get beat and other guys help, leading to a lob for a dunk, an open 3, or FTs, it doesn’t show up in stats as readily. Experience is a big part of D, and his weaknesses will be exposed for a while like any “rookie” point guard.

    17. Z-man

      Also, on screens, it is sometimes the help’s fault and sometimes the primary defenders fault for not getting over the screen or falling a half-step behind, allowing the screen to be more effective. Shump is very effective at defending PGs before they get to the screen without overcommitting and getting burned in the other direction. Nate Robinson never got over the top of screens; Douglas just crashed into them because of no peripheral vision, hence the bad shoulders.

    18. Frank O.

      I think the Knicks are poised for a break out game tonight.
      I expect Lin will bring a lot of energy, Melo is going to explode.
      I think Amare will still be struggling because I believe his issues are mental.
      It will be interesting to see how Chandler feels after a day and a half of rest. Landry too will bring energy.
      Davis will still be rough, but his ball handling will be far better than SHUMP’s at the point.
      I think our D is the question mark. Melo and Amare are average to below average defenders. Without Shump our perimeter defense won’t be as strong. But I just have a feeling this team is going to fly tonight offensively, especially if Smith and Novak recapture their strokes.
      Obviously, there is a chance this is sprinkled with wishful thinking.
      As much as I lose watching the games, I can’t wait for the real so these guys can get a little mini camp together.
      I imagine it is hard for both Amare and Melo to see Lin as the toast of the town when they envisioned themselves as saviors of the Garden.

    19. Frank O.

      As much as I love watching the games, I can’t wait for the break so these guys can get…
      Autocorrect

    20. Z-man

      Steals are also not a reliable indicator of defensive effectiveness, similar to blocks. That said, Lin does seem to be good at digging balls out of the post and slashes when he double-teams. He’s a very, very smart player with above average athleticism and skills. His second time around the league should be interesting re: him learning from experience vs teams throwing different looks at him.

    21. formido

      His defensive rating in the D-league speaks for itself. And his suggestive stats since then, in the NBA, also speak for themselves. The Knicks allow 4 points per 48 fewer when Lin is on the court. You can’t make that go away with vague impressions. Basketball is not all about stopping your man. It’s about making the best gambles between help defense and your man, and it’s about working with your teammates to stop the best ratio of threats.

      Calderon? Every player is gunning for Lin. Anyone who’s been a good offensive player in basketball knows that no single person can stop you if your intent to score. You could see quite clearly that Calderon wanted to shut up “Linsanity”. Same with Dirk. Same with Deron Williams.

      Basketball is an offense-oriented sport. Every player gets burned. Gary Payton did in his prime. Jason Kidd did in his prime. Promulgating the myth that Lin is a bad player because he sometimes gets burned is demonstrably not backed up by the aggregate defensive stats and plays right into the biases of other onlookers. And can become a self-fulfilling prophecy to some extent if the refs buy into it.

      The Knicks need to be very cognizant of the fact that opponents will try to attack Lin and they need to play good team defense. Honestly, they should probably double the point more, like the Mavs did. Agressive offensive players just have too much of an advantage (as Lin shows every game) and every point is going to be super aggressive until Linsanity dies down. Combined with Lin being a rookie, and the apparent new emphasis by the refs in the last three games to not give Lin the benefit of the whistle on either end, and I expect more of this unfounded “Lin is bad at defense” talk. But, I also expect Lin to not back down and acquit himself admirably under the circumstances. His spate of clutch defensive plays down the stretch in several of the wins and his steals numbers are things you’ve never seen from, say, Nash.

    22. formido

      Z-man:
      Steals are also not a reliable indicator of defensive effectiveness, similar to blocks.

      Agreed, which is why I point to aggregate defensive stats like his D-league defensive rating last year, and the chance in opponents scoring per 48 when Lin is on the floor. Lin makes the right gambles, it’s just not something most people can eyeball.

    23. formido

      Deron Williams played with more energy than he ever has as Net. He treated as a game 7 of the Finals and made a ton of hero three pointers. Meanwhile, Jeremy Lin played an ordinary energy level game and his PER actually went UP. There’s nothing you can learn about Lin’s defense from that game.

      Deron William’s best game as a Net > Jeremy Lin’s average game

    24. ephus

      Some thoughts on Jeremy Lin’s D:

      The Good — He is a strong open-court and trap defender. His steals have largely come in trap situations, where he has jumped the passing lanes or literally wrestled the ball out of the hands of the opponent. When Lin traps, it is not merely to get the opponent to give up the ball, but an actual attempt to force a turnover.

      Lin has also been a strong defensive rebounder. This can be a major contribution on defense.

      The Bad — Lin does not do a good job of chasing his man through off-the-ball screens, nor does he do a good job of getting over ball-screens. Deron Williams took full advantage to get open consistently during the last game. During the halftime break, Phil Weber spoke (without naming names) about Lin’s tendency to “shoot the gap” on off-the-ball screens, rather than keeping contact with his man. During the second half, Lin still was doing the same things.

      The Ugly — The Knicks have shown a commitment to switching on most on-the-ball screens, and Lin just does not match up well when stuck on a big in the paint. In addition, he has been slow to get back to his man when the Knicks rotate. Against the Hornets, there were a couple of open 3s that were caused by Lin failing to get out of the paint and back to his man.

      On a scale of 1 – 10, with Jamal Crawford as 1 and Clyde Frazier as 10, I would rate Lin as a 3 so far. With more experience, I expect that number to rise by the playoffs.

    25. rururuland2

      formido: I gained 14 lbs of lean muscle in 5 weeks starting the second week of January of this year. It was measured using a hydrostatic body composition test.I was posting update weights and pics on this twitter:http://twitter.com/#!/monthtomuscle…but got lazy and stopped. I suppose I’ll post the second body-comp test tonight, since it’s come up.Incidentally, I didn’t even try very hard. There’s no doubt I could have gained significantly more if I’d worked out harder, ate more, and hadn’t partied two weekends.

      Nothing I’ve read ever suggested those kind of numbers were possible but more power to you.

    26. Gideon Zaga

      Man after all this media shit load on Melo, I just wish the guy would come out and ask for a trade to the Nets, of course not for Deron but for filler, take Brooks, humphries, Gaines and whatever you want. Its the drama the media wanted anyway. It will be nice though.

    27. rururuland2

      Great example of the never ending Melo witch-hunt.

      Here is Isola’s transcription of Karl’s recent interview on satellite radio. Note that this is the second note of his notebook. Basically an aferthought. Doesn’t fit the narrative Isola’ trying to make up. That’s important in the context of Isola’s story today on Melo.

      Karl: “They’ve got to figure out how to coexist with one another in a positive way, which I think everybody’s pretty excited about,” Karl told Bruce Murray on SiriusXM. “But there’s this little window of doubt, there’s this little window of, ‘Oh, it might not work.’ But my experience with Melo, Melo’s a very bright player. And he’s a great scorer but he can also be a great passer, he can be a great rebounder and he can be a very good defender. I think he’ll get excited about playing and getting back into the winning mode and getting that monkey of losing off his back. And I think you’re going to see him come out and prove the world wrong.

      “Carmelo Anthony’s a talented, talented, talented kid that wants to win a championship. He just hasn’t figured it out yet, and I think this is his opportunity to move in that direction.”

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-rookie-iman-shumpert-compete-nba-slam-dunk-contest-jeremy-lin-reportedly-lend-a-hand-article-1.1023789

      Now look at what Isola does with that same quote in today’s story!!!

      It’s been a rough couple of days for Anthony. His current coach refuses to recite the company line about Melo inventing Linsanity while his former coach, George Karl, took a couple of subtle jabs by claiming that Anthony wants to get “that monkey of losing off his back” and that “he just hasn’t figured out” how to win yet.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/carmelo-anthony-ny-knicks-mesh-jeremy-lin-article-1.1026590

    28. rururuland2

      Gideon Zaga: Man after all this media shit load on Melo, I just wish the guy would come out and ask for a trade to the Nets, of course not for Deron but for filler, take Brooks, humphries, Gaines and whatever you want. Its the drama the media wanted anyway. It will be nice though.

      Trust me, you’ll soon see the benefits of having a guy like Melo with this kind of chip on his shoulder. Once he gets it turned around, maybe tonight, it’s going to be something else.

    29. Z-man

      formido: Agreed, which is why I point to aggregate defensive stats like his D-league defensive rating last year, and the chance in opponents scoring per 48 when Lin is on the floor. Lin makes the right gambles, it’s just not something most people can eyeball.

      Your analysis is ridiculous. You’re using D-League stats to make your point?? D-league?? Since very few cu, Irrent NBA PGs have been bad enough to play in the D-League guess we can’t compare his with CP3, Deron, Nash, Rondo or Rose. I’ll just have to wonder how they would do in the D-League. PS: just about every D-leager that even made an NBA 15th spot was dominant in the D-League (see: Jerome Jordan).

      points allowed per 48? He’s been on the floor for 39 out of 48 minutes, and when he is off, the offense grinds to a halt. Your statement is about as rational as D’Antoni’s response to his lack of defensive coaching when he said something like “we won over 60 games a year so in those games we played better defense than the other team.”

      He has had a great 10 games but please, let’s not start comparing him defensively to MVP candidates and winners until he goes around the league a couple of times. He may turn out to be a solid defender, but right now, he is mediocre at best.

    30. max fisher-cohen

      formido: His defensive rating in the D-league speaks for itself. And his suggestive stats since then, in the NBA, also speak for themselves. The Knicks allow 4 points per 48 fewer when Lin is on the court. You can’t make that go away with vague impressions.

      These numbers aren’t really fair since the majority of Lin’s games have included lots more minutes for Shumpert and Jeffries (great defenders) and lots fewer for STAT and Anthony.

    31. Z-man

      @ 40, this is right on, although I am expecting that he will be exposed on D against the better PGs, as Deron exposed him. This is not to say that he won’t adapt over time, but for now he is not a plus defender at the PG position.

    32. Will the Thrill

      Yeah, I don’t know how anyone can argue that Lin is an above average defender. He has many strengths to his game and he is definitely a great fit for this team, but his defense needs work. Overall though, considering the situation, he’s been AMAZING.

    33. Will the Thrill

      And I think that always be on Lin’s side (the situation). We basically got him for nothing, are paying him little, and he came out of nowhere to impress us all. Even with bad games in the future he will always have that on his side, unlike Melo. Expectations are a huge part of the consideration as to if a player is playing well or not.

    34. Ben R

      I think the defensive criticisms of Lin are a bit unfair. Our forwards are terrible about helping hedge on screens so unless you’re a very very good physical defender, like Shumpert, then teams can free shooters with screens against our team, we are terrible at defending long jump shots and were terrible pre-Linsanity. Lin is by no means a plus defender like Shumpert but he seems to be a solid on-ball defender with quick hands to create steals and adaquate quickness to chase around screens and rotate.

      The fact that Shumpert shut down Calderon was not a dig on Lin but a complement on Shumpert. Shumpert has elite defensive tools so of course he is an upgrade on Lin, he is probably an upgrade on 90% of the league.

    35. Frank O.

      Will the Thrill:
      Yeah, I don’t know how anyone can argue that Lin is an above average defender.He has many strengths to his game and he is definitely a great fit for this team, but his defense needs work.Overall though, considering the situation, he’s been AMAZING.

      Jeff Van gundy addressed this issue very well the other night. He said something to the effect of the guy is playing amazing ball. Criticizing his defense is like criticizing Dwight Howard for not being a better foul shooter. Howard is one of the most dominant players in the NBA.
      Lin’s leadership and skill has been a godsend, and he is an amazingly good player at a very early point in his career. We literally happened upon a top 10 draft kind of player…that actually pans out.
      Good lord, he’s got a TS% of .575 and an eFG% of .518. His assist% is 49.9, at 9 assists per 36.
      He’s shooting 48.7% from the field, for the season, higher over the past 12 games, and he’s getting 22.8 per 36 mins. He’s averaging 2.2 steals per 36. His PER is 24.1, a WS/48 of .181.
      Could he improve his free throw shooting? Sure. He’s at 74%. Get that to 80 and he is friggin’ scary. Can his 3 pt shooting get better? Sure. He’s hitting 34%, and judging from the past few games he’s going to get better. Can his TOV improve? Sure, he’s at 5.2 per 36.
      Can his D get better, sure, but frankly, his D suffers a bit because he has to carry such a big load on the offensive end. Give him time to get used to the rigors of the game.
      This kid walked in cold and he’s already a top 10 guard in the league. No one should have any problem seeing this guy being among the elite in the game at some point soon.
      He had a down game last game. let me remind you that a down game is 21 pts, 9 assists, 7 boards, 4 steals, 30 TOVs. He shot 83 percent from the line, 50% from 3, (2 of 4), but an unusual 39% overall from the…

    36. ruruland

      Ben R:
      I think the defensive criticisms of Lin are a bit unfair. Our forwards are terrible about helping hedge on screens so unless you’re a very very good physical defender, like Shumpert, then teams can free shooters with screens against our team, we are terrible at defending long jump shots and were terrible pre-Linsanity. Lin is by no means a plus defender like Shumpert but he seems to be a solid on-ball defender with quick hands to create steals and adaquate quickness to chase around screens and rotate.

      The fact that Shumpert shut down Calderon was not a dig on Lin but a complement on Shumpert. Shumpert has elite defensive tools so of course he is an upgrade on Lin, he is probably an upgrade on 90% of the league.

      im not sure plus defender means anything anymore. I agree about the poor hedging I think it’s clearly Melo biggest defensive weakness covered up with switching.

      One thing I don’t like about Lin is that he tends to take too big of steps when he’s going backwards which opens up his hips. I’m not sure if he’s covering up lateral quickness issues or has missing fundamentals. His stance and knee bend and width of feet seem solid to me but not great. Also let’s consider his short arms make it difficult to yield space and recover, which come to think of it explains his not choppy steps
      To me it’s clear he is solid for all the reasons mentioned ad naseum.

    37. ephus

      Lin has been spectacular so far, but the topic for today appeared to be defense. Lin’s defense has been sub-par, but with some bright spots. I would sign up right now for Lin’s entire career to be a carbon-copy of the last ten games. Since we are speculating about how Lin will fare during the rest of the season, it seems fair to state that he can (and should) improve on defense.

    38. ruruland

      Shump is 99 percentile tool wise for perimeter defender. Maybe Rondo is better laterally? Hard to say. But he’s only guy with better defensive tools at 1 or 2.

      There’s a great piece breaking down the Knicks offense by Si Zach Lowe if sone1 can post

    39. Brian Cronin

      Jeff Van gundy addressed this issue very well the other night. He said something to the effect of the guy is playing amazing ball. Criticizing his defense is like criticizing Dwight Howard for not being a better foul shooter.

      I said that exact thing after the Dallas game (that any critiques of Lin after that game are just going to be critiques of an overall great player, like Dwight Howard should shoot free throws better)! That’s pretty funny.

    40. daJudge

      You can’t mash players together to create some uber hooper. All players have their strengths and limitations (I swear that when I first typed this, it came out “linitations” He’s controlling my freaking key board). Lin’s apparent strengths right now, after ten games, are his offensive skill, vision, balls, maturity, brains, tenacity, composure, among other things. Honestly, his D is not why we are talking about him, but I do not think it is sub par. I know this is a little crazy, but if his D improves, his ceiling is in Clyde territory, who had all of the tools, both ends. Brian, I know this sounds kind of dumb and petty, but Dwight Howard should shoot free throws better and maybe that will be the team’s Achilles heal during the playoffs.

    41. Caleb

      ephus:
      Extra-E is out for the rest of the year after surgery on a broken foot.http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/02/22/shawn.williams.nets.ap/index.html?sct=nba_t2_a7

      I was frustrated when the Knicks did not resign him, but clearly Novak has been an upgrade from Shawne, even before this news.

      Not that either of these guys makes a team sink or swim but I’m not sure how I see this… Williams was a decent defender while Novak is like kleenex on the fire. Williams could put the ball on the floor, a little bit. Novak might be a better shooter but Williams last year even shot a better #. But that was just a year, so who knows. .

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