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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Feb 20 2013)

  • [New York Times] Parker’s Double-Double Leads Spurs Past Kings (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:57:51 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 30 points and 11 assists to lead San Antonio to a 108-102 victory over the Sacramento Kings on Tuesday night, giving the Spurs their 15th win in their last 16 games.

  • [New York Times] Suns Hold Off Blazers 102-98 (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:57:46 GMT)
    Goran Dragic had 16 points and a career-high 18 assists and the Phoenix Suns snapped a four-game losing streak with a 102-98 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets 113, Bucks 111 (OT): Joe Johnson Hits Late 3, Then Overtime Jumper to Lift Nets Over Bucks (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:30:24 GMT)
    Joe Johnson made a 3-pointer with time running out in regulation before hitting the winning shot at the buzzer in overtime against the Bucks on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Johnson’s OT Buzzer-Beater Lifts Nets Past Bucks (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:04:17 GMT)
    Joe Johnson came through twice with big shots and helped the Brooklyn Nets end a long losing streak to the Milwaukee Bucks.

  • [New York Times] Gallinari, Lawson Lead Nuggets Past Celtics (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:00:44 GMT)
    Danilo Gallinari and Ty Lawson each scored 26 points to help the Denver Nuggets snap a three-game losing streak by beating the Boston Celtics 97-90 Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: At the Garden, a Long-Awaited Father and Son Reunion (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:46:23 GMT)
    A father and son met up for a Knicks game, where a loss wasn’t quite as traumatic as it was in his childhood.

  • [New York Times] Jazz Send Warriors to 6th Straight Loss, 115-101 (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:43:09 GMT)
    Al Jefferson scored 24 points, Gordon Hayward added 17 in his return from a shoulder injury and the Utah Jazz defeated Golden State 115-101 Tuesday night to extend the Warriors’ losing streak to six games.

  • [New York Times] Bryant, Kupchak Endorse Buss Heirs (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:18:54 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant and general manager Mitch Kupchak endorsed the children of the late Jerry Buss as worthy heirs to running the Los Angeles Lakers.

  • [New York Times] Deng Leads Bulls Over Hornets 96-87 (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:45:50 GMT)
    Luol Deng scored 20 points and the Chicago Bulls snapped a two-game skid with a 96-87 victory over the New Orleans Hornets on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Against Magic, Even Bobcats Come Up a Winner (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:32:08 GMT)
    Kemba Walker and Gerald Henderson each had 24 points as the Bobcats held off the Magic, 105-92, on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Win 4th Straight, 105-91 Over Pistons (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:01:14 GMT)
    Mike Conley scored 19 points, Zach Randolph had his 31st double-double and Memphis won its fourth straight game Tuesday night, 105-91 at Detroit.

  • [New York Times] Walker, Henderson Lead Bobcats Past Magic, 105-92 (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:51:55 GMT)
    Kemba Walker and Gerald Henderson each had 24 points, Byron Mullens added 20 points and 12 rebounds, and the Charlotte Bobcats survived a second-half comeback to hold off the Orlando Magic 105-92 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] DeRozan, Gay Lead Raptors Past Wizards 96-88 (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:46:00 GMT)
    DeMar DeRozan and Rudy Gay scored 24 points apiece, and the Toronto Raptors won a matchup between slow-starting, coming-on-lately teams Tuesday night with a 96-88 victory over the Washington Wizards.

  • [New York Times] As Season Resumes, Knicks Getting Healthier (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:19:13 GMT)
    Coach Mike Woodson did not put a timetable on when Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby would return, and emphasized that neither would play big minutes when they do.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Bynum Better but Still Not Ready (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:04:22 GMT)
    Andrew Bynum said he planned to make his season debut for the Philadelphia 76ers this year, though he said he was still a week or two from practicing with the team.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks look to stick with what works (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:11:06 GMT)
    With 50 games and the All-Star break under their belt, the Knicks are looking to stay the course that has them in first place in the Atlantic Division and 14 games over .500.

  • [New York Post] Expecting no trades, Knicks coach won’t change starting lineup (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:57:53 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS â?? If you believe Mike Woodson, what you see is what you get with the 2012-13 Knicks.
    The 15 men who practiced Tuesday will be the ones they likely will go to war with in pursuit of breaking their 40-year title drought, a quest renewed Wednesday night against the rugged…

  • [New York Post] Starting Stoudemire could be the boost Knicks looking for (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 02:46:41 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS â?? There are a lot of things to like about Amar’e Stoudemire. For one, he’s more than just a basketball player. He has interests in fashion and social issues as evidenced by his tweet on Sunday saying the manifesto written by ex-LAPD officer turned murderer Christopher Dorner was…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Stoudemire: Dorner manifesto tweet was only to provide information (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:01:55 -0500)
    Amar’e Stoudemire said he tweeted a link to the manifesto of cop-killer Christopher Dorner not necessarily to endorse the views but to provide “information.”
    Dorner, a former policeman who allegedly killed two cops in a rampage, wrote a manifesto on his Facebook page ripping the LAPD for alleged corruption…

  • [New York Post] Mozgov on Knicks’ radar (Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:02:05 -0500)
    With Rasheed Wallace’s and Marcus Camby’s health a nagging concern despite their returns to practice yesterday, the Knicks are one of a handful of teams to inquire about Nuggets center Timofey Mozgov this month, according to a league source. The trading deadline is tomorrow.
    Mozgov, the former Knick…

  • 58 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Feb 20 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      Frank: Have to be honest – I’ve seen Paul George play about 5 times this year, and I think that when push comes to shove, he might the best 1-on-1 defender in the league.Melo really struggled against him the last time we played, and George basically took that game over in the 2nd half with his defense (both ball-hawking and making life miserable for Melo) and offense.Our current offense is so dependent on Melo creating doubles or dominating a 1-on-1 matchup that any team that can clamp him down without breaking the rest of the defense is going to be tough for us.And that’s without Granger, who is another plus defender.

      I was just reading this from yesterday. While I agree about how excellent George has become, I bring this up only because it is actually a wonderful example of a debate had here a while back about false memories. Melo was suspended for this game! But it so fits the narrative we expect we kind of falsely remembered him being there and it seems everyone who read it yesterday kind of just nodded and went, “oh yeah, George did give Melo fits that day.”

      (And pardon me, Frank, I don’t mean to call you out. You actually made me doubt my own memory, too. But I checked the box score of the game I think you were referring to and Melo was indeed suspended:

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/gameflash/2013/01/10/33086/index.html#boxscore

      If you were referring to another game, I apologize.)

    2. Hubert Davis

      Also, my $.02 on the Shump for Reddick discussion I missed:

      JJ has 3 months left and he’s gone from Orlando. From their POV, getting a guy with Shump’s potential for a guy who is going to walk seems like a home run. I don’t see how you oblige them.

      Our problem seems to be we want to make a move but we gave away every single valuable asset already in all the trades we overpaid for, so now we’re devaluing our own asset to trade for something we want. JJ on an expiring contract, as good a player as he is, is worth a speculative draft pick. Shump is a prospect, but he isn’t as speculative as an ambiguous 1st round pick that could fall anywhere. And since we gave all of those away, and we can’t get equal value for Shump bc he’s coming off his injury, we’re essentially devaluing Shump to make him match the value that Orlando deserves to get for JJ. It’s really bad strategy. It wouldn’t be a terrible trade, but it’s a bad strategy, and it’s the ongoing cost of giving in to guys like Ujiri and Morey and needlessly throwing in picks, tossing in Mozgov, waiving Brewer, etc. It needs to stop. We can’t keep paying over the odds.

    3. Brian Cronin

      JJ on an expiring contract, as good a player as he is, is worth a speculative draft pick.

      The Magic won’t trade Redick for just a pick and the only way the Knicks can get him going forward is to trade for him. It’s not like they can sign him this offseason. That’s not to say that they should do the proposed deal, but just saying that you’re undervaluing Redick’s value. The guy is going to pretty easily make roughly $7 million per year on the open market. That’s not a guy you get for just a draft pick (well, unless it is a top five pick, of course).

    4. Brian Cronin

      Yikes, talk about underselling Redick.

      I like ruru’s take on Redick:

      Redick is a borderline all-star caliber player. Probably the best off-ball movement player in the NBA, vastly underrated defensively, elite motor.

      Guy will still be really good for awhile. Redick is giving Orlando a really efficient 17/5 per 36 with strong defense.

      The Pistons built a championship caliber offense around Rip Hamilton, a guy who had the quickness to guard pgs (when Chancey guarded twos), similar to what Redick can do. Redick is better offensively than Rip ever was.

      You certainly don’t have to want to trade Shump for Redick to acknowledge that Redick is a very good NBA player. There’s a reason he’s about to get a multi-year contract at age 28 for over the MLE.

    5. DS

      I clearly need to learn how to work the quote feature better… I would love to see Jermaine O’Neal picked up. We’ll have to brace for a lot of snarky jokes about compiling a 2001 All-Star Team, but dude would be a good backup if he could stay healthy.

    6. Frank

      Hubert Davis: I was just reading this from yesterday. While I agree about how excellent George has become, I bring this up only because it is actually a wonderful example of a debate had here a while back about false memories. Melo was suspended for this game! But it so fits the narrative we expect we kind of falsely remembered him being there and it seems everyone who read it yesterday kind of just nodded and went, “oh yeah, George did give Melo fits that day.”

      Oh man you’re right! I went back and watched some of that game on Synergy and it was actually JR that George completely shut down. So never mind that whole post.

      But still – I think George is a great defender.

    7. Hubert Davis

      Brian Cronin:
      You certainly don’t have to want to trade Shump for Redick to acknowledge that Redick is a very good NBA player. There’s a reason he’s about to get a multi-year contract at age 28 for over the MLE.

      Brian, I do think JJ is a very good NBA player and the trade wouldn’t kill me. I just vividly recall Shump’s on the ball defense against Rose & Wade last spring and I think that skill is much more rare and much more valuable than JJ’s skill set (which does include being a capable defender).

      And that contract you refer to is another thing I don’t want on my hands. Shump is at 1.7, 2.7, & 3.8 going forward. Vs JJ at $7-8mm? It seems like those $8-$10 million contracts are the most cumbersome, uncoveted contracts in the league.

    8. Hubert Davis

      God dammit!

      I was curious to see if we still had our $3 million to trade. Hoopsworld said we didn’t. I checked to see where we lost it and of course it was the Marcus Camby trade.

      All told, in the summer of 2012, Daryl Morey:

      1. took one of our most tradeable assets (Lin) and gave us nothing in return.

      2. used our draft pick (acquired in the Tracy McGrady heist).

      3. Got Toney Douglas, forced us to fork over $3mm to pay his salary, and got our last two 2nd round picks, Jerome Jordan, and Jorts…for Marcus Camby, who was leaving anyway.

      4. To literally add insult to injury, he dropped Jordan & Jorts just to show the world that he could get the Knicks to give up things he didn’t even want.

    9. Brian Cronin

      Thanks for that. Articles tend not to mention the money very often. So yeah, that is definitely a very Morey-like thing to do. Oh well, that sucks. So that also means that they don’t have any money to buy draft picks with (then again, the Knicks seem to give away draft picks like they’re nothing, so I guess it doesn’t really matter).

    10. Frank

      Hubert Davis: 3. Got Toney Douglas, forced us to fork over $3mm to pay his salary, and got our last two 2nd round picks, Jerome Jordan, and Jorts…for Marcus Camby, who was leaving anyway.

      4. To literally add insult to injury, he dropped Jordan & Jorts just to show the world that he could get the Knicks to give up things he didn’t even want.

      To be fair – we didn’t really want TD, Jordan, or Jorts either. And no one wanted Jordan or Jorts – they’re both released or D-League right now. And TD at this point is a fringe NBA player. He wouldn’t even play 5 min/game on this team right now. So we gave him a bunch of garbage, and in return we got Camby (who obviously has given us nothing so far) – and kept Camby away from the Heat, where he might have gone if he didn’t get traded to NY. It was only through that trade that we were able to give him more money.

      Before it’s said and done, Camby will be very valuable for this team. We just haven’t seen it yet.

    11. jon abbey

      the thing about trying to guess Shumpert’s ceiling is that it’s very dependent on whether his knee fully comes back, and I don’t think we really know that yet. I said it last year after he got hurt, but Keyon Dooling was remarkable athletically as a rookie for the Clippers, but then got hurt and was never the same athlete (although he was an effective bench player for years).

      Shump’s potential last year looked close to unlimited, combining a Tony Allen-like game-changing defensive presence with a nice range of offensive skills that would hopefully gel better with time, but if he’s not the same athlete, his ceiling clearly drops. he has been awful so far this year (although showing some signs lately) and it’s hard to know how much of that is rust and how much is possibly not being the same physically. it seems to me as if the issues are horrendous decision-making/rust, but I think it’s almost impossible to judge him right now.

    12. Owen

      Don’t know about you guys but I am excited to set the trade rumors aside around 7 pm tonight for some real basketball. Should be a great showdown with the Pacers who are trying to chase us down for a playoff seeding….

    13. Frank

      Owen:
      Don’t know about you guys but I am excited to set the trade rumors aside around 7 pm tonight for some real basketball. Should be a great showdown with the Pacers who are trying to chase us down for a playoff seeding….

      +10000000 on that one.
      Especially since it really feels like we are not making any trades.

      The only rumor that I’ve heard that I would be definitely psyched about it the Jermaine O’Neal interest. If Camby/Sheed are ok, then I’d probably just say let’s roll with what we have, but JO is a quality backup big at this point, and playing really really well this year (statistically at least, I haven’t seen him play at all). But Cope for O’Neal works – young restricted player might be what PHX wants for JO. Probably can get more for JO than just Cope though, if Mozgov is worth more than a 1st round pick.

    14. Frank

      by the way guys — if anyone needed proof that spatial analysis via SportVu will completely change the way we think about defense, check this out from Kirk Goldsberry. It’s a dense/long read but highly recommended. Interesting that Tyson does not grade out particularly well in this paper – is basically average.

      http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

    15. jon abbey

      Hubert Davis: I was just reading this from yesterday.While I agree about how excellent George has become, I bring this up only because it is actually a wonderful example of a debate had here a while back about false memories.Melo was suspended for this game!But it so fits the narrative we expect we kind of falsely remembered him being there and it seems everyone who read it yesterday kind of just nodded and went, “oh yeah, George did give Melo fits that day.”

      (And pardon me, Frank, I don’t mean to call you out.You actually made me doubt my own memory, too.But I checked the box score of the game I think you were referring to and Melo was indeed suspended:

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/gameflash/2013/01/10/33086/index.html#boxscore

      If you were referring to another game, I apologize.)

      FWIW, I thought that also but I was busy at the time and didn’t feel like looking it up to be sure.

    16. jon abbey

      Frank:
      by the way guys — if anyone needed proof that spatial analysis via SportVu will completely change the way we think about defense, check this out from Kirk Goldsberry. It’s a dense/long read but highly recommended.Interesting that Tyson does not grade out particularly well in this paper – is basically average.

      http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

      the Tyson numbers aren’t surprising, as his effort level wildly fluctuates from game to game as I’ve been noting here all year. at his peak effort, he is still one of the top few basket defenders in the game, but we haven’t seen that version so far this year.

      amazing how bad Varejao is in this study!

    17. Hubert Davis

      Brian Cronin:
      Thanks for that. Articles tend not to mention the money very often. So yeah, that is definitely a very Morey-like thing to do. Oh well, that sucks. So that also means that they don’t have any moneyto buy draft picks with (then again, the Knicks seem to give away draft picks like they’re nothing, so I guess it doesn’t really matter).

      FWIW, all I found was that we agreed to pay TD’s salary, which was $2mm. We could still have $1mm left.

    18. Frank

      jon abbey: FWIW, I thought that also but I was busy at the time and didn’t feel like looking it up to be sure.

      what’s funny is that my distinct recollection from that game was the 4th quarter – in which i remember one iso after another being shut down or ball being stolen by Paul George. My brain just filled in Melo in the character of “iso” guy even though it was actually JR.

    19. Hubert Davis

      Frank:

      Before it’s said and done, Camby will be very valuable for this team. We just haven’t seen it yet.

      I believe he will be very valuable if he is healthy in the Spring, but I’m not confident he will be.

    20. Frank

      Owen:
      Interesting article, going to have to take another look….

      Larry Sanders comes out well….

      what’s missing from that piece (which can’t account for everything) is who is behind the guy in question if he gets in foul trouble. Tyson, for much of last year and this year, basically has no one behind him. It’s hard to contest shots that much if the defense will completely collapse if you get fouls. And other teams know that. Larry Sanders has a whole host of similar players behind him (how in the world did milwaukee get so many shotblocking big men?!??!?) – Dalembert, Henson, Udoh. They even have the corpses of Joel Przybilla and Drew Gooden there. So Sanders can aggressively play D whereas Tyson clearly is foul-averse.

      I watched a bit of the BKN-MIL game last night – Sanders is really really good.

    21. Nick C.

      Frank: what’s funny is that my distinct recollection from that game was the 4th quarter – in which i remember one iso after another being shut down or ball being stolen by Paul George. My brain just filled in Melo in the character of “iso” guy even though it was actually JR.

      wasn’t there some overextended back and forth about a study regarding that very sort of issue. I don’t mean to dredge it up but that’s the first thing that came to mind.

    22. flossy

      Hubert Davis: Brian, I do think JJ is a very good NBA player and the trade wouldn’t kill me. I just vividly recall Shump’s on the ball defense against Rose & Wade last spring and I think that skill is much more rare and much more valuable than JJ’s skill set (which does include being a capable defender).

      Woah, talk about false memories! You know that in the 2 regular season games the Heat played against us last year, Wade averaged 28 ppg on .565 shooting from the field (to Shumpert’s 4ppg)?

      The fact that he had some memorable defensive possessions in those games doesn’t change the fact that Shump got absolutely steamrolled by Wade overall.

    23. flossy

      Biggins:
      I don’t think we need another Steve Novak, which is what JJ Reddick is…

      This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Any basis for that comparison aside from the fact that they’re both white and good shooters?

      Redick this year is putting up numbers that are virtually identical to Ray Allen during the Celtic’s title run year. I’d like to see Novak do that.

    24. Hubert Davis

      flossy: Woah, talk about false memories!You know that in the 2 regular season games the Heat played against us last year, Wade averaged 28 ppg on .565 shooting from the field (to Shumpert’s 4ppg)?

      The fact that he had some memorable defensive possessions in those games doesn’t change the fact that Shump got absolutely steamrolled by Wade overall.

      I would be interested to see what the splits were when he was guarded by Fields vs Shump. I seem to remember him feasting on Fields and working harder for his points against Shump.

      Even so, some of the best on the ball defense I’ve ever seen was against Jordan in a game when he statistically dominated. It brings up an interesting side point: does the performance of the person you’re guarding automatically mean you played poor defense? If Wade goes 4-4 when you’re guarding him but they were all step-back jumpers and shots from 25 feet, I think you’ve done a great job. Sometimes you’re just guarding a great player.

      I’d love to rewatch some of those 2nd half possessions in the game we played in April. That was the stretch I was thinking of, where Shump really seemed to be becoming an elite defender (a week after his performance vs Derrick Rose).

      I’m not saying you’re wrong, mind you. But I just took a moment to review the second half game log of the April game I was referring to, though, and from the looks of it my memory of Shump performing well in that particular half was accurate:

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/201204150NYK.html

    25. Nick C.

      The article was cool. Thanks Frank. I didn’t see Brook Lopez. I could say see of course it is right because Lee finishes worst by one measure. On the other that it is irrelevant and stupid because Bargnani rated so well by another measure and Jorts by yet another. In sum it does a good job by calculating paint FG% and paint attempts or % of overall shot attempts. In a way like catcher CS where % and # of attempts (good ones in theory prevent attempts)

    26. Hubert Davis

      Of course, now I’ve read the first half game log and it seems like Wade steamrolled him then, particularly in the 1Q.

    27. Owen

      Yeah, don’t know what to think. I have a lot of trouble believing that Bargnani is one of the best interior defenders in the league and Varejao one of the worst.

      Have to think a little bit more about this study. I am all for anything that brings us closer to better defensive evaluations.

      But somehow this doesn’t pass the eye test…..

      ;-)

      iserp: So does Bargnani ….

    28. Owen

      Yeah, don’t know what to think. I have a lot of trouble believing that Bargnani is one of the best interior defenders in the league and Varejao one of the worst.

      Have to think a little bit more about this study. I am all for anything that brings us closer to better defensive evaluations.

      But somehow this doesn’t pass the eye test…..

      ;-)

      And btw, yes, I am a little obsessed with Larry Sanders.

      And Frank, i think it’s an interesting point about Chandler. It’s clear he plays to avoid foul trouble.

      iserp: So does Bargnani ….

    29. Frank

      flossy: Woah, talk about false memories! You know that in the 2 regular season games the Heat played against us last year, Wade averaged 28 ppg on .565 shooting from the field (to Shumpert’s 4ppg)?

      The fact that he had some memorable defensive possessions in those games doesn’t change the fact that Shump got absolutely steamrolled by Wade overall.

      OK, you seem so happy to be ripping on Shump’s defense based on some on/off numbers – so I decided to actually go to Synergy and watch all of Wade’s possessions in the 2 games that we played against MIA last year during which Shump was not injured.

      You would be quite surprised, and probably with some egg on your face, to know that Shump rarely had primary responsibility on Wade. In the first game (1/27/12) Wade had 28 possessions and on only 2 of them did Shump have primary responsibility — and Wade was 0-1 with 1 TO. Bill Walker and Landry Fields guarded him on the vast majority of his non-transition possessions.

      In the second game (4/15/12), wade had 23 possessions and Shump had primary responsibility on just 7 of them. Wade was 2-3 from the field with 4 TOs in those 7 possessions.

      So all said, Wade v Shump is 2/4 FGs, 5 TOs. As far as I can tell (it’s not that straightforward in Synergy), Wade failed to draw a single shooting foul against Shump in those two games. So that means Wade had 9 possessions against Shump, scored 4 points = 0.44 PPP, or about 44% of his season average, and had a TO% of 55% (or roughly 5x his season average).

      So please. stop with all the Shump-bashing just because Wade had nice numbers while Shump was somewhere on the floor at the same time. Take the time to actually look at the tape, and if you don’t have synergy, take the 1 second to ask someone who does. Then you can draw whatever conclusion you want.

    30. Frank

      sorry if i came across a little strong there Flossy – it’s just such common practice on this board (and I’m sure I’m guilty as the next guy) of taking a little bit of incomplete information and then loudly extrapolating it to the point where it’s completely inaccurate. sometimes the tape is the best evidence, and very few here actually watch it.

    31. Hubert Davis

      Great work, Frank. I really need to get me a synergy subscription, that’s precisely what I wanted to do. Reviewing the game log was hideously misleading.

    32. ephus

      This Q&A from Zach Lowe and Keith Smart answers more questions about Boogie Cousins than anything else I have read on the internet. Lowe is doing a lot to improve the level of discourse on basketball.

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/51622/qa-keith-smart-on-the-art-of-coaching-boogie-cousins-and-the-kings-defensive-struggles

      I would love to read a similar interview between Lowe and Woodson. Suggested topics – why are you going with this starting five? What does JR Smith do differently when he is going well versus going badly? If the team is completely healthy, would you pair STAT w/ ‘Sheed or Camby?

    33. ruruland

      Owen:
      Yeah, don’t know what to think. I have a lotof trouble believing that Bargnani is one of the best interior defenders in the league and Varejao one of the worst.

      Have to think a little bit more about this study. I am all for anything that brings us closer to better defensive evaluations.

      But somehow this doesn’t pass the eye test…..

      ;-)

      And btw, yes, I am a little obsessed with Larry Sanders.

      And Frank, i think it’s an interesting point about Chandler. It’s clear he plays to avoid foul trouble.

      Barnagni did a hell of a job on Amar’e. You’re confusing the eye test with rebound rate. Barnagni has the length and lateral movement to rim protect and it’s quite possible to be a good interior defender and poor rebounder, or inversely, Kevin Love.

      What this study didn’t look at, naturally, was the percentage of time said player did not get into an area he was supposed to defend.

    34. ruruland

      Owen:

      And Frank, i think it’s an interesting point about Chandler. It’s clear he plays to avoid foul trouble.

      Also, Owen, what a surprise that many of us on this board are once again validated by the data, but after our observations.

      You were so certain just a couple weeks ago that Tyson Chandler was playing great interior defense.

      Fucking laughable man.

    35. ruruland

      flossy: This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.Any basis for that comparison aside from the fact that they’re both white and good shooters?

      Redick this year is putting up numbers that are virtually identical to Ray Allen during the Celtic’s title run year.I’d like to see Novak do that.

      Redick can run a pnr pretty well, too. Too bad.

    36. ephus

      I think that the real question on Tyson Chandler is whether he will be able to play lock-down interior defense once the playoffs begin, or if something has happened this year (injury, age or opponent adjustments) that has made him a less effective interior defender. If he has been coasting to avoid foul trouble, I would want him to amp up the effort in the last ten games to get the rust out. If he has slipped, the Knicks have a real problem.

    37. ephus

      ruruland: ruruland says:
      February 20, 2013 at 3:46 pm
      flossy: This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.Any basis for that comparison aside from the fact that they’re both white and good shooters?
      Redick this year is putting up numbers that are virtually identical to Ray Allen during the Celtic’s title run year.I’d like to see Novak do that.
      Redick can run a pnr pretty well, too. Too bad.

      One of the biggest skills that Novak is missing is the ability to get off a quality three point shot or drive to the rim in the face of an aggressive closeout. Without advanced stats to back me up, my memory is that Redick is surprisingly good at both of these.

      I thought the comparison between JR Smith and JJ Redick yesterday was much more apt. Of course, that requires people to see beyond skin color and skin ink.

    38. ruruland

      ephus:
      I think that the real question on Tyson Chandler is whether he will be able to play lock-down interior defense once the playoffs begin, or if something has happened this year (injury, age or opponent adjustments) that has made him a less effective interior defender.If he has been coasting to avoid foul trouble, I would want him to amp up the effort in the last ten games to get the rust out.If he has slipped, the Knicks have a real problem.

      I think it’s clearly been effort. He turns it on in the ends of close games and had that 3-4 game stretch of dominance.

    39. ruruland

      ephus: One of the biggest skills that Novak is missing is the ability to get off a quality three point shot or drive to the rim in the face of an aggressive closeout.Without advanced stats to back me up, my memory is that Redick is surprisingly good at both of these.

      I thought the comparison between JR Smith and JJ Redick yesterday was much more apt.Of course, that requires people to see beyond skin color and skin ink.

      Redick is the superior in most aspect, from spot-up shooting, to driving against rotation, playmaking, and certainly moving off the ball.

      Smith is a better jumping athlete, but Redick is one of the superior endurance athletes.

      Would love to have both of them. I think Redick could teach JR a thing or two. Running both of them off screens at the same time would be a nightmare for defenses.

    40. nicos

      Frank:
      by the way guys — if anyone needed proof that spatial analysis via SportVu will completely change the way we think about defense, check this out from Kirk Goldsberry. It’s a dense/long read but highly recommended.Interesting that Tyson does not grade out particularly well in this paper – is basically average.

      http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/The%20Dwight%20Effect%20A%20New%20Ensemble%20of%20Interior%20Defense%20Analytics%20for%20the%20NBA.pdf

      Challenging shots at the rim has never been Chandler’s strong suit- his value lies more in his Garnett-esque ability to blow up pnr’s and consistently help and recover against penetration- keeping guys out of the restricted area in the first place rather than defending them once they’re there. We’ve seen very little of that this year (esp. in the pnr where he’s been every bit as bad as the guards) but I’m still confident he’ll deliver in the playoffs.

    41. jon abbey

      Shumpert also had an incredible game against Kobe in that 38 point Lin game last year, he held him to 3 for 11 shooting and forced some turnovers (I can’t find the latter number anywhere, but I remember posting this here at the time last year).

    42. Frank

      jon abbey:
      Shumpert also had an incredible game against Kobe in that 38 point Lin game last year, he held him to 3 for 11 shooting and forced some turnovers (I can’t find the latter number anywhere, but I remember posting this here at the time last year).

      Shumpert is a great one-on-one defender, period. Sometimes the numbers lie but in this case, they don’t. Yes, he fouls too much, and struggles with picks, but he was a rookie last year, and basically still is one this year. Forcing 5 TOs in 9 possessions against Wade might be small sample theater, but it did really happen. I didn’t look at the Kobe game on Synergy but that doesn’t surprise me. We know that Rose scored a bunch of points against him but had like 6 TOs and shot 8-26 that game or something like that. And I specifically remember in the Toronto Lin buzzer-beater shot, Calderon was just killing us until Shump started covering him – and completely changed the course of that game.

      His on-ball defense will come back – and Synergy says he’s been better than ever this year anyway in very small sample:

      Play-type: PPP-against
      Overall: 0.71 (17th in NBA)
      Isolation: 0.61
      PNR BH: 0.25
      Post-up: zero (9 possessions)
      PNR Roll: 0.67
      Spot-up 1.07
      Off screen: 1.5
      Hand-offs: 1.25

      Still having problems with screens (small samples also) but don’t try and iso or post him up. When he’s on the ball he’s still tough even with a knee / psyche that’s not quite there yet.

    43. Frank

      For all we know, Woodson is throwing him to the wolves running around screens etc. to make him learn how to navigate them better. Clearly it’s the worst part of his defensive game – no better way to learn than to do.

    44. Owen

      So hostile! You upset about Melo not getting the MVP or something?

      I don’t think Bargnani is a good defender, having watched him on many occasions. They have been a terrible defensive team since he arrived.

      And I still think Chandler is playing great interior defense. He is the only one on the team doing it unfortunately. He could play better if he had Haywood backing him up and could afford to be more aggressive. But it is what it is.

      And unlike some other guys on our roster he is pretty effective on both sides of the court…..

      “Barnagni did a hell of a job on Amar’e. You’re confusing the eye test with rebound rate. Barnagni has the length and lateral movement to rim protect and it’s quite possible to be a good interior defender and poor rebounder, or inversely, Kevin Love.”

      “Fucking laughable man.”

    45. ruruland

      Owen:
      So hostile! You upset about Melo not getting the MVP or something?

      I don’t think Bargnani is a good defender, having watched him on many occasions. They have been a terrible defensive team since he arrived.

      And I still think Chandler is playing great interior defense. He is the only one on the team doing it unfortunately. He could play better if he had Haywood backing him up and could afford to be more aggressive. But it is what it is.

      And unlike some other guys on our roster he is pretty effective on both sides of the court…..

      “Barnagni did a hell of a job on Amar’e. You’re confusing the eye test with rebound rate. Barnagni has the length and lateral movement to rim protect and it’s quite possible to be a good interior defender and poor rebounder, or inversely, Kevin Love.”

      “Fucking laughable man.”

      Clown, bro.

    46. ruruland

      Frank:
      For all we know, Woodson is throwing him to the wolves running around screens etc. to make him learn how to navigate them better. Clearly it’s the worst part of his defensive game – no better way to learn than to do.

      Running around screens is pretty high on the job description for a perimeter defender.

    47. nicos

      Frank: Shumpert is a great one-on-one defender, period.Sometimes the numbers lie but in this case, they don’t. Yes, he fouls too much, and struggles with picks, but he was a rookie last year, and basically still is one this year.Forcing 5 TOs in 9 possessions against Wade might be small sample theater, but it did really happen. I didn’t look at the Kobe game on Synergy but that doesn’t surprise me. We knowthat Rose scored a bunch of points against him but had like 6 TOs and shot 8-26 that game or something like that.And I specifically remember in the Toronto Lin buzzer-beater shot, Calderon was just killing us until Shump started covering him – and completely changed the course of that game.

      His on-ball defense will come back – and Synergy says he’s been better than ever this year anyway in very small sample:

      Play-type: PPP-against
      Overall:0.71 (17th in NBA)
      Isolation: 0.61
      PNR BH: 0.25
      Post-up: zero (9 possessions)
      PNR Roll: 0.67
      Spot-up 1.07
      Off screen: 1.5
      Hand-offs: 1.25

      Still having problems with screens (small samples also) but don’t try and iso or post him up. When he’s on the ball he’s still tough even with a knee / psyche that’s not quite there yet.

      The biggest difference in the synergy numbers to me (esp. in iso situations) is that he’s fouling less but forcing fewer turnovers- the results are similar but it just looks like he’s far less aggressive. Of course, forcing a turnover is much better than forcing a miss- no chance for an offensive rebound and a greater likelihood of getting out on the break so hopefully he’ll get those turnover numbers back up as he gets healthier.

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