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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 26 2012)

  • [New York Post] D’Antoni’s Lakers get better of Melo, Knicks (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:08:47 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?? The Lakers stole the fourth quarter and Carmelo Anthony’s late mojo, and Mike D’Antoni became The Grinch who stole Christmas from the Knicks.
    In a dramatic duel with Anthony at the electric Staples Center, Kobe Bryant played more desperate down the stretch and guided the Lakers…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Amar’e hoping for New Year’s debut (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:45:37 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?? Amar’e Stoudemire said it’s disappointing to be missing tonight’s clash in Phoenix, but he sounded optimistic his season debut will take place when the Knicks return home and face Portland on New Year’s Day at the Garden.
    Ring in the new Stoudemire.
    “It’s…

  • [New York Post] Pinkie may shelve Knicks’ Felton (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:47:15 -0500)
    LOS ANGELES â?? Raymond Felton’s hand injuries may finally force the Knicks guard to take a night off.
    Felton sprained his left pinkie yesterday in the third quarter of the Knicks’ 100-94 loss to the Lakers during a scramble with L.A.’s Steve Nash for a loose ball.
    Already…

  • [New York Daily News] Lakers no pushovers for Knicks this time around (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 05:12:19 GMT)
    The Knicks got the NBA version of a lump of coal in their stocking for Christmas â?” something they never want â?” a 100-94 loss to the Lakers at Staples Center. They also got the reality that the Lakers team they pounded on Dec. 13 is much better when Steve Nash and Pau Gasol are back in the lineup and only getting better.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Felton questionable vs. Suns (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:45:15 GMT)
    Because of his toughness, guard Raymond Felton can’t be counted out for Wednesday night’s game against the Suns in Phoenix. But even he admitted after spraining his right pinkie on his shooting hand that if he plays he is likely to be limited by the injury.

  • [New York Daily News] Rihanna, Chris Brown sit courtside at Knicks, Lakers game (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 00:34:41 GMT)
    It looks like Rihanna and Chris Brown are fully on the rebound. The one-time couple whose relationship exploded when Brown brutally beat the pop princess in 2009 appeared together Tuesday at the Knicks-Lakers game.

  • [New York Times] James Leads Heat Over Thunder in Finals Rematch (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:13:45 GMT)
    Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook combined to score 54 points, more than any set of teammates had managed in a game against Miami all season.

  • [New York Times] Clippers 112, Nuggets 100: Clippers Beat Nuggets for 14th Win in Row (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:28:45 GMT)
    Jamal Crawford led a dominant performance by the Los Angeles reserves with 22 points and the Clippers defeated the Nuggets, 112-100, on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Replay: Dec. 25 (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:35:12 GMT)
    The Celtics pounded the Nets, the Lakers stopped the Knicks, and the Heat survived the Thunder.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Surging Rockets Beat Bulls in Chicago (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:21:23 GMT)
    James Harden scored 26 points, and Jeremy Lin added 20 points and 11 assists as Houston won for the sixth time in seven games.

  • [New York Times] In N.B.A. on Christmas Day, at the Intersection of Religion and Realism (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:20:46 GMT)
    A day off would have been a merciful itinerary, but for roughly 450 of the world’s best basketball players, this is the life they have chosen, and many cherish: work on Christmas.

  • [New York Times] Heat 103, Thunder 97: Heat Beat Thunder in Finals Reunion (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:17:15 GMT)
    The Heat came away with the win once more, but given the quality of the teams and the playoff intensity, Miami and Oklahoma City could certainly meet again in June.

  • [New York Times] Celtics 93, Nets 76: Celtics Subdue Nets in Christmas Day Opener in N.B.A. (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:17:15 GMT)
    The Nets were bullied on their home court by the Boston Celtics on Tuesday in a rout that drained whatever Christmas cheer they might have had.

  • [New York Times] Lakers 100, Knicks 94: With Steve Nash Back, Lakers Get Even With Knicks (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:04:24 GMT)
    With star point guard Steve Nash running the show, the Lakers avenged a previous loss to the Knicks on Tuesday to move to .500 on the season.

  • [New York Times] Rockets 120, Bulls 97: James Harden Leads Rockets to Rout of Bulls (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 04:40:16 GMT)
    James Harden scored 26 points and Jeremy Lin added 20 points and 11 assists to lead the Houston Rockets to a 120-97 win over the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat Win Finals Rematch Over Thunder, 103-97 (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:31:39 GMT)
    LeBron James and Kevin Durant exchanged words. Dwyane Wade and Serge Ibaka did a little shoving. Five technical fouls were called, and Russell Westbrook punched a table in frustration.

  • [New York Times] James Leads Heat Past Thunder in Finals Rematch (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:19:27 GMT)
    LeBron James scored 29 points and flirted with a triple-double as the Miami Heat claimed a 103-97 win over the Oklahoma City Thunder in a rematch of last season’s NBA finals on a Christmas Day schedule of five games.

  • [New York Times] Lakers 100, Knicks 94: Kobe Bryant and Lakers Get Even With Knicks on Christmas (Wed, 26 Dec 2012 00:58:36 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant engineered a second-half comeback, helping the Lakers avenge their earlier loss to the Knicks and lift Los Angeles to .500 on the season.

  • 37 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 26 2012)

    1. danvt

      Glad Chris Brown and Rhianna are back together, man! Phew!

      Hard fought good effort yesterday. Amazing to go toe to toe with Dwight, Steve, Kobe and Pau and feel like you should of and could have won. So, we didn’t, but let’s keep our perspective. Remember when Quentin Richardson tried to guard Dwight?

      Winning at PHX would make it all better in my eyes. It’d be interesting to see a game with Kidd and Prigs at the 1 for extended minutes. My prediction would be that they’d have a hard time staying in front of their man on defense and getting in front of their man on offense. But shooting efficiency would be a nice thing and some post offense would also be good as an alternative to all the P&R. They’re on to it, Woody.

      What do we need? Post play. What are we getting from Amar’e? Post play. That was the narrative all summer. Professor Hakeem, asst. Prof. Rasheed. Let Raymond throw it in the post and not have the offense revolve around his man going under a screen or not. Let Amar’e catch it. If he’s got single coverage then score with a high percentage shot. If he get’s doubled, then start the merry go ’round. Then if Raymonds hands are good, let the three pointer go, in rhythm. God, the kid is a hard worker out there. He’s getting the shit beat out of his hands and all anyone can do is call him a chucker. How about someone creating for him at least sometimes.

    2. Juany8

      So I just discovered the NBA stats site, and it’s the most amazing thing ever. My favorite thing is being able to see the shot distribution of a team when a certain player is playing, as well as how well 2 players perform when they’re on the court together. Might be messing around with it a lot while I’m stuck in bed being sick

    3. Z-man

      Sorry to hear it, Juany, feel better but give us some good analysis in the meantime.

      Not too upset with the loss, we showed up played hard and had a good chance to win against a very desperate team that finally has all of its players back. We sure did better than the Bulls!

      I am getting concerned about the ugly look of our play, though. Early on our offense looked beautiful, now it looks disjointed and easy to disrupt…except for Melo, who continues to play HOF basketball on both ends.

      Let’s not forget that in less than a month, we should have Amare, Shump and Sheed back. Maybe Melo can ease off the throttle a bit, he’s really getting banged up. It would be great to be a 60-win team, but keeping everyone healthy has to come first.

    4. Juany8

      For instance, I just found out that when Carmelo shares the court with Chandler or Felton, the Knicks outscore the opponents by 7 points per 100 possessions. When Melo is in and either Felton or Chandler are out, the Knicks still outscore their opponents by 5 points per 100 possessions, but when Melo is out and either Felton or Chandler are in, they get outscored by their opponents. Same thing with Jason Kidd pretty much. It seems like the only guy on the team who’s indispensable is Melo

    5. jon abbey

      Juany8: It seems like the only guy on the team who’s indispensable is Melo

      they did blow out Miami without him, but that was pretty clearly a fluke. Chandler’s just not nearly as consistent, on either end, at least so far.

    6. flossy

      Chandler’s great at what he does, but watching him bobble passes left and right last night and freeze up when he gets the ball more than one dribble away from the rim makes me pine for Amar’e so hard. Having someone who can get the ball 15-20 feet away and get all the way to the tin (remember Gasol’s dagger dunk where he dribbled in from outside the 3 point line? Who can you imagine doing that–Chandler or Amar’e?) or shoot a respectable mid-range jump shot is on 10-15 possessions every night is going to be HUGE for this team. Hell, even having a big man like Camby who can pass like a champ from the high post was a breath of fresh air, and I hope we see more of it. But I sincerely hope Stat comes back reasonably healthy because I don’t think this team really has a prayer of getting out of the East if he (and Shump) don’t come back and contribute.

      As far as Felton is concerned, when he takes more than 16 shots the Knicks are 7-7, when he takes fewer they’re 13-1. I hope he sits out the rest of the road trip and we stop leaning so heavily on the high PnR with Chandler. Dudley, Scola and Beasley are not the most intimidating defenders so against Phoenix I’d feature Melo a lot in the post and give JR the green light to initiate the offense; he’s been at least as good playmaker as Felton over the past few games.

    7. Juany8

      Since when did the expectations become Finals or bust? I get that it’s disappointing that the Knicks aren’t as good as Miami, but I’ve now seen 2 separate posts that are bummed that the Knicks aren’t likely to get out of the East. This team has played a hard schedule and is on a 59 win pace. The Knicks have had a lull lately sure, but that’s partly because Melo has missed time. In the games Melo has played, the Knicks are 18-6 (61.5 win pace), and 3 of those came on road back to backs, which are practically scheduled losses. The Knicks are going to be fine if healthy, and I won’t be disappointed with a tough loss to Miami in the ECF, there has been no combination of moves in the past few years that would have allowed the Knicks to be a clear cut better team than Miami.

    8. lavor postell

      Juany8:
      Since when did the expectations become Finals or bust? I get that it’s disappointing that the Knicks aren’t as good as Miami, but I’ve now seen 2 separate posts that are bummed that the Knicks aren’t likely to get out of the East. This team has played a hard schedule and is on a 59 win pace.

      To build on this a bit, I think STAT is going to be huge for this team particularly in terms of his presence on the weakside of the initial pNr sets where Melo sets up on the strong side. I also think we pose problems for Miami that they don’t have answers for.

      No team is stopping Lebron, but Wade is at best now a top-20 player. Athletic ballhawks in particular have given him fits the past few seasons. Last year in the our last regular season meeting with them at the Garden, Shumpert gave him fits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PNrIu2bEU).

      This is similar to the play yesterday when Westbrook picked his pocket in the 4th. He doesn’t have thw same explosiveness off the dribble, particularly when he tries to spin or go behind the back, as he used too. He’s also had trouble with Brewer in the past, specifically in the 2011 ECF.

      Bosh is a very good player, but if they insist on playing small against us, it really plays to our strengths considering our frontcourt size and depth. Our bench looks set to be much stronger with STAT and Shump on the mend. This bench could be as strong as the Clippers’ when it is all said and done.

      Btw idk if anybody yesterday caught Simmons on SC after all the games were done saying he didn’t think the Knicks were a 50-win team. Wilbon was more than happy to piggyback on this and added teams now knew what to expect from us. I’d like to see how those expectations change when Amar’e comes back and teams can’t spend the 15 minutes our bench guys are on the floor camping out at the arc because…

    9. Frank

      Juany8:
      So I just discovered the NBA stats site, and it’s the most amazing thing ever. My favorite thing is being able to see the shot distribution of a team when a certain player is playing, as well as how well 2 players perform when they’re on the court together. Might be messing around with it a lot while I’m stuck in bed being sick

      How do you get it to work? Doesn’t matter what browser I use, when I go to lineup comparison i’m stuck on the Spurs and can’t even change the lineup. Do you have a link? maybe i’m on the wrong part of the site.

    10. lavor postell

      Also didn’t mean to make it seem like we will beat Miami or that we should, but that I think we do have a significantly better chance than what the sportsbooks are giving us. As of yesterday Vegas had Miami 14/25 to win the East while the Knicks were second favorites going at 7/2. The difference between these two teams is certainly not that great of a margin.

    11. Frank

      Just watched a bunch of the 4th quarter on Synergy again. Dwight Howard had at least 2 3-sec violations (both blatant >5 sec in the middle of the paint) playing against the PNR when Tyson was up even past the 3 point line. Refs have to call that stuff.

    12. ruruland

      Flossy is so right.
      People will be shocked by how much Amar’e improves the offense.

      This is the same guy, going up against the Lakers in the WCF in 2010, who averaged 25 points a game on 600 TS while driving into a paint that featured Bynum and a healthy Gasol, that had Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Lou Admunson and Jason Collins as floor-spacers. (Hint: Bynum and Gasol didn’t leave the paint).

      If you actually go back and watch that series and compare it to what Amar’e did post-Lin/Davis, or watch how Amar’e worked with Felton against better defenses with Mosgov/Turiaf/Jefferson, you’ll notice there’s really no difference in terms of explosion, the kinds of looks he gets etc.

      The guy is still one of the best finishers in the league (length, skill, width and shoulder strength), and I still think has the most unique offensive skill set of any power forward in the league (with Gasol now taken out of the post, Duncan a PF) with the ability to handle the ball and finish from myriad positions — free throw line extended– against set defenses and bigs waiting for him.

      There are folks on this board who whispered about Melo’s great off-season — that’s part of why he’s playing as he is, as he should. But Amar’e had a better one. The stuff he added didn’t go away, nor do I think his conditioning was totally zapped.

      You don’t lock yourself in a gym for 4 months and not — at the very least — return to your career averages on jumpers (and Amar’e is one of the best big shooters in the game)… (Melo’s shown some of his Hakeem moves after a few sessions. Amar’e spent significantly more time)

      Also, there this nonsense that somehow Amar’e will not only hurt the offense, he’ll hurt Carmelo’s game.

      Not sure if anyone’s noticed, but no coach defends Melo with a power forward, and no defense respects Ronnie Brewer, Raymond Felton, or Kurt Thomas as floor spacers.

      as JVG implicitly pointed out yesterday, there’s a pretty dramatic…

    13. Juany8

      Frank: How do you get it to work? Doesn’t matter what browser I use, when I go to lineup comparison i’m stuck on the Spurs and can’t even change the lineup. Do you have a link? maybe i’m on the wrong part of the site.

      I’ll be honest: the lineup comparison was the one thing I didn’t like. I recommend 82games or basketball reference for lineup data, the lineups were too hard to look at properly

    14. Juany8

      By the way, the Knicks would need an utterly epic collapse to not get 50 wins. I’m still sticking with my 55 prediction, I really don’t think anyone is winning 60 this year. I also agree that at this point, Amar’e is a better fit for the starting lineup than Brewer. Where I’ve been skeptical the whole season is Amar’e replacing JR at the end of games. The Felton-Kidd-JR-Melo-Chandler lineup is +30 points per 100 possessions, which is a laughably awesome number. This lineup also tend to play the opponent’s best lineups at the end of games, making it even more impressive. I really think Amar’e should be used almost the way the Lakers used Gasol, Odom, and Bynum when they won their rings. He can start, and Woodson should try to use him and Shumpert to let Brewer rest till healthy and to kick Novak out of the rotation. Still think the lineup with JR is the best lineup the Knicks can put on the floor, although Amar’e could help A LOT in other points of the game.

    15. ruruland

      Juany8:
      By the way, the Knicks would need an utterly epic collapse to not get 50 wins. I’m still sticking with my 55 prediction, I really don’t think anyone is winning 60 this year. I also agree that at this point, Amar’e is a better fit for the starting lineup than Brewer. Where I’ve been skeptical the whole season is Amar’e replacing JR at the end of games. The Felton-Kidd-JR-Melo-Chandler lineup is +30 points per 100 possessions, which is a laughably awesome number. This lineup also tend to play the opponent’s best lineups at the end of games, making it even more impressive. I really think Amar’e should be used almost the way the Lakers used Gasol, Odom, and Bynum when they won their rings. He can start, and Woodson should try to use him and Shumpert to let Brewer rest till healthy and to kick Novak out of the rotation. Still think the lineup with JR is the best lineup the Knicks can put on the floor, although Amar’e couldhelp A LOT in other points of the game.

      there should be multiple 60 win teams this year.

      4 teams have a shot in the West, 2 in the East— East is top heavy both Knicks and heat have good chance. West is so dominant against East I think at least LAC ad OKC will win 60.

      there’ a decent chance for 5 60 win teams and 5 60 loss teams, which I’m pretty sure has never happened.

      But the top heavy teams are more loaded than at any time after the ’80s.

    16. ruruland

      Juany8: I’ll be honest: the lineup comparison was the one thing I didn’t like. I recommend 82games or basketball reference for lineup data, the lineups were too hard to look at properly

      Still waiting for someone to develop the 3 and 4 player lineup comparison. It’s made the Amar’e stuff I’ve looked into a lot more time consuming.

    17. Mr.RIGHT

      Ray is the perpetual Game #7 John Starks. So quick to prove they’re Knicks fans not Jeremy Lin fans professing how much better this team is with Felton (NOT) … If this team had a PG of Rubio or even Goran Dragic abilty WE WOULDN’T BE seeing our guys challenged as much at three point line …As of now we have a guy at Point who can’t even finish a Lay up and you all think we’re better off with Felton just to prove you’re not Lin fans but Knick fans instead ..Guess what I’m a Knicks fan too

      …I rather have Mr.BigShot “Billups” back or Bibby even Hinrich, Ellis, Curry, Austin Rivers or Redick over Ray Felton ANYDAY!Ray has to go! ”

      danvt:
      Glad Chris Brown and Rhianna are back together, man!Phew!

      Let Raymond throw it in the post and not have the offense revolve around his man going under a screen or not.Let Amar’e catch it.If he’s got single coverage then score with a high percentage shot.If he get’s doubled, then start the merry go ’round. Then if Raymonds hands are good, let the three pointer go, in rhythm.God, the kid is a hard worker out there.He’s getting the shit beat out of his hands and all anyone can do is call him a chucker.How about someone creating for him at least sometimes.

    18. lavor postell

      I’m curious ruru. What are your thoughts on the Celtics? Can they improve from within enough to contend or do you think they need to make a deal for a rebounding/defensive big to spell Garnett to have any chance of emerging from the East? Also thoughts on their backcourt when Bradley gets back and what the fuck has happened to Courtney Lee?

    19. Juany8

      Yea I wanted at least a 3 player comparison tool, kind of annoying it’s not there. Also really annoying that I can’t just download the data into an excel file like I can with Hoopdata and Basketball-reference. I want to tinker with lineup numbers and player comparisons, but I don’t want to type all this damn data in myself lol

    20. Juany8

      For instance, I’ve been briefly looking at some numbers, and it turns out Derrick Rose only took 3 corner 3′s all last year, which is ridiculous. Steve Nash took 11 corner 3′s combined this past offseason. I’m gonna keep looking, but it generally seems like players who don’t have anyone to create easy shots for them aren’t able to take easy shots, which we all know corner 3′s are.

    21. Juany8

      Mr.RIGHT:
      Ray is the perpetual Game #7 John Starks. So quick to prove they’re Knicks fans not Jeremy Lin fans professing how much better this team is with Felton (NOT) … If this team had a PG of Rubio or even Goran Dragic abilty WE WOULDN’T BE seeing our guys challenged as much at three point line …As of now we have a guy at Point who can’t even finish a Lay up and you all think we’re better off with Felton just to prove you’re not Lin fans but Knick fans instead ..Guess what I’m a Knicks fan too

      …I rather have Mr.BigShot “Billups” back or Bibbyeven Hinrich, Ellis, Curry, Austin Rivers or Redick over Ray Felton ANYDAY!Ray has to go! ”

      That’s cute, have fun being miserable!

    22. ruruland

      Juany8:
      Yea I wanted at least a 3 player comparison tool, kind of annoying it’s not there. Also really annoying that I can’t just download the data into an excel file like I can with Hoopdata and Basketball-reference. I want to tinker with lineup numbers and player comparisons, but I don’t want to type all this damn data in myself lol

      Yep, I’ve been doing all the data by hand without being very good at SQL, excel for the math.

      I didn’t quite trust the Lin/Melo stuff I did this summer but it seems to have turned out pretty decently.

    23. ruruland

      lavor postell:
      I’m curious ruru.What are your thoughts on the Celtics? Can they improve from within enough to contend or do you think they need to make a deal for a rebounding/defensive big to spell Garnett to have any chance of emerging from the East?Also thoughts on their backcourt when Bradley gets back and what the fuck has happened to Courtney Lee?

      I think I’ve only watched 3-4 full games of theirs. Courtney Lee looks like the same guy to me — average rotation player.

      To me, they’ve been on the verge of this the last couple of years.

      Let’s not forget how close they’ve been to breaking it up the last three years.

      Bradley should help them, but they just can’t play the kind of team defense without the size and athleticism they once had.

      Terry was obviously a downgrade, Sullinger kind of overrated coming in, so they’re left to rely on 36 and 35 year old guys who just can’t consistently play like they used to. Green is a part-time guy.

      And Rondo still only plays to his potential on a part-time basis.

      I think the culture there has slowly eroded. They will still probably scare a team in the first round, but if the Knicks get matched up with them, I expect a really ugly revenge series with 2-3 blowouts.

      They’ve got it coming from some team — guys across the league do not like the Celtics. It’s really just Garnett. I think there will be a few teams in the East who’ll want to embarrass the Celtics.

    24. custer

      ruruland:

      They’ve got it coming from some team — guys across the league do not like the Celtics. It’s really just Garnett.I think there will be a few teams in the East who’ll want to embarrass the Celtics.

      Couldn’t agree more, seems like the “KG is a fake tough guy” opinion is a common refrain from around the league, and rondo hasn’t been making too many friends either.

      Going back to lavor’s question-i think they need to make a move to have any chance of going anywhere. I’m not sure what assets they have that other teams would be interested in though- bradley for sure, but no one else really jumps out at me

    25. Juany8

      I just so happen to be good at excel and SQL! Mostly excel, but that shit’s powerful enough to work as a database nowadays, I really want to try to define the interaction effects we all love to discuss so much lol. My hypothesis for the moment has been that the truly elite offensive and defensive players are people who can change an entire team’s shot distribution, not an individual’s. Could be interesting, for instance, I just looked and saw that when Rose was out last year, the Bulls took 5% less of their overall shots at the rim, which was mostly transferred to mid range and non corner 3 looks. With Brewer in and out of the lineup, the shot distribution didn’t change that drastically anywhere, they did take more 3′s overall, but the mid range shots went down too, so it’s not clear that Brewer has the same kind of positive impact on shot distribution as Rose.

      I’d love to do this simple little analysis with every player in the NBA, just to see how it looks like.

    26. ruruland

      Juany8:
      I just so happen to be good at excel and SQL! Mostly excel, but that shit’s powerful enough to work as a database nowadays, I really want to try to define the interaction effects we all love to discuss so much lol. My hypothesis for the moment has been that the truly elite offensive and defensive players are people who can change an entire team’s shot distribution, not an individual’s. Could be interesting, for instance, I just looked and saw that when Rose was out last year, the Bulls took 5% less of their overall shots at the rim, which was mostly transferred to mid range and non corner 3 looks. With Brewer in and out of the lineup, the shot distribution didn’t change that drastically anywhere, they did take more 3?s overall, but the mid range shots went down too, so it’s not clear that Brewer has the same kind of positive impact on shot distribution as Rose.

      I’d love to do this simple little analysis with every player in the NBA, just to see how it looks like.

      We should talk about a project at some point. I have a lot of ideas that could use someone who has a better statistical and scientific background than me.

      I didn’t go any further than social statistics for my undergrad.

    27. lavor postell

      Juany8:
      I just so happen to be good at excel and SQL! Mostly excel, but that shit’s powerful enough to work as a database nowadays, I really want to try to define the interaction effects we all love to discuss so much lol. My hypothesis for the moment has been that the truly elite offensive and defensive players are people who can change an entire team’s shot distribution, not an individual’s. Could be interesting, for instance, I just looked and saw that when Rose was out last year, the Bulls took 5% less of their overall shots at the rim, which was mostly transferred to mid range and non corner 3 looks. With Brewer in and out of the lineup, the shot distribution didn’t change that drastically anywhere, they did take more 3?s overall, but the mid range shots went down too, so it’s not clear that Brewer has the same kind of positive impact on shot distribution as Rose.

      I’d love to do this simple little analysis with every player in the NBA, just to see how it looks like.

      Were you able to track how much of the decrease in rim attempts was a direct effect of Rose’s ability to get to the rim versus the inability of players like C.J. Watson and John Lucas III to replicate that skill.

      Might be interesting to see how many of those non-corner 3′s were taken by Rose’s replacements as well. Watson in particular stands out because everytime I watch him his attempts seem to predominantly come from the wings or top of the key area.

      Might also be worth looking at a league wide breakdown of shot distribution. Would be interesting to see how many more attempts per game at the rim are taken by guys like Westbrook and Rose versus your league average pg rate for rim attempts.

    28. Brian Cronin

      Melo and Felton out tonight, YIKES, starting lineup of:

      Kidd, Brewer, White, Thomas, Chandler

      The knee injury during the Laker game looked scary when it happened, but then he stayed in the game and played the rest of the game so I wasn’t worried, but now he’s missing the game? Scary!

      Just like that lineup. Yikes.

      Also, what is Woody’s problem with starting JR?

    29. BigBlueAL

      Berman is gonna have a field day if the Knicks lose with Melo missing another game. He has been taking shots at Amar’e recently for not playing last week and has already taken multiple shots at Melo for missing games this season.

      This was a tweet from Berman earlier today:

      Tough day for Felton. Chided by fans for trying to play hurt while Melo & Amar’e saluted for not wanting to play less than 100 percent.

    30. Juany8

      lavor postell: Were you able to track how much of the decrease in rim attempts was a direct effect of Rose’s ability to get to the rim versus the inability of players like C.J. Watson and John Lucas III to replicate that skill.

      Might be interesting to see how many of those non-corner 3?s were taken by Rose’s replacements as well.Watson in particular stands out because everytime I watch him his attempts seem to predominantly come from the wings or top of the key area.

      Might also be worth looking at a league wide breakdown of shot distribution.Would be interesting to see how many more attempts per game at the rim are taken by guys like Westbrook and Rose versus your league average pg rate for rim attempts.

      Oh Lavor I want to do a much more in depth analysis of all this, and I’m aware of the points you brought up, but right now I just don’t have the data to study this like I’d want to. I do think it’s interesting that the Bulls corner 3′s attempts went up with Rose in the lineup considering he doens’t take any. If a team’s shot attempts in corner 3′s rise when someone like Rose plays, and his direct replacement takes a lot more corner 3′s than he does, I do think that’s noteworthy. It also helps that in my specific example, Rose missed a lot of the season, so there is a nice sample with Rose on and off the court. Still until I can actually get my hands on the data all I can do is have a hypothesis at this point.

    31. jon abbey

      I am OK with Smith still coming off the bench and playing a ton of minutes, but there is no reason Copeland shouldn’t be starting over White with that offensively challenged lineup. if we get 10 before they get 20, I will be stunned.

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