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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 12 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] NO ENCORE: Kidd sinks clutch 3, Melo gets 45 as Knicks beat Brooklyn (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:41:19 GMT)
    Brooklyn, of course, holds a special place in Carmelo Anthony’s heart. He was born in the borough and spent a lot of summers in New York even after his family moved to Baltimore. Jason Kidd, on the other hand, has a special connection to Nets. He gave the franchise his best years.

  • [New York Daily News] Brooklyn Nets would make Jackie proud, says daughter (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:40:54 GMT)
    Sharon Robinson always expected Brooklyn to re-emerge in professional sports. She didn’t know it was going to be via basketball, or the Nets. But the daughter of former Dodger great and civil rights hero Jackie Robinson believed Brooklyn, a home of her youth, wouldn’t be held down forever.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Former Jersey Boy Jason turns Knicks vs. Nets into Kidd’s play (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:33:31 GMT)
    The buzzer sounded at Barclays Center Tuesday night and there was Jason Kidd, the old, great Net from their New Jersey days, raising his arms in triumph. Kidd finally made it to Brooklyn and all he did was give the Knicks a 100-97 win that they have been gunning for since they left Brooklyn last month on the short end in overtime.

  • [New York Daily News] No timeout from Avery, no heroics from Deron (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:19:07 GMT)
    In Deron Williams’ first big game with the Nets two seasons ago, he approached Avery Johnson, hoping to gain some trust in late-game situations. His squad had just lost against the Knicks at the Garden in March of 2011, with Johnson calling a timeout before Williams missed a potential game-tying shot with four seconds remaining.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo keeps the ball & MVP talk moving in right direction (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:52:46 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had been pumping in better than a point per minute to fully earn the MVP chants he heard â?? in a road game, no less.

  • [New York Post] Kidd hits late ’3′, Melo drops 45 as Knicks rally to beat Nets (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:04:03 -0500)
    Jason Kidd beat the Knicks plenty of times during his days with the Nets. Last night, the greatest player in New Jersey Nets history turned the tables on his old team in its new home.
    Kidd took a pass from a driving Raymond Felton and buried a 3-pointer â?? drawing a…

  • [New York Post] Kidd’s vintage effort sinks guard’s former team (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:25:34 -0500)
    Jason Kidd not only missed the Knicks’ first Brooklyn encounter with back spasms, he refused to watch it while laid up in his Manhattan pad. “It’s tough to watch games,” Kidd said last night. “I didn’t watch it.”
    Kidd was in Brooklyn for the first time last night…

  • [New York Post] Melo’s monster night prompts MVP talk (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:08:54 -0500)
    The buzzer groaned, though it was hard to hear it cut through the swirling din â?? two fan bases, two boroughs, 17,732 voices belonging to 17,732 people who had stayed for every second of another beautiful basketball game.
    As he saw the red light glow on the backboard, signaling…

  • [New York Post] Fate placed D-Will, Kidd a river apart (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:08:54 -0500)
    As Deron Williams and Jason Kidd spent the days leading up to free agency together this summer, the two point guards hoped to find a way to play together this season.
    Instead, they settled for playing in the same city, as Williams re-signed with the Nets and Kidd signed with…

  • [New York Post] Call him Raymond Fail-ton (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:51:52 -0500)
    Playing in Brooklyn just doesn’t agree with Raymond Felton.
    The Knicks’ point guard turned in his second poor performance in as many tries vs. the Nets at the new Barclays Center.
    Felton was a disaster in the first meeting Nov. 26, shooting 3-for-19 with five turnovers in the Knicks…

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Notebook: Chandler recruited Kidd (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:58:07 EDT)
    When the Knicks were reassembling in the offseason, Tyson Chandler knew there was a missing piece: Jason Kidd.
    So Chandler called his former Mavericks teammate a few times during the summer, expressing how much he wanted the point guard to sign with the Knicks.
    “I told him, ‘You’re needed over here,’” Chandler said after the Knicks beat the Nets on Tuesday night. “I told him, ‘This organization is willing to make moves and willing to chase a ring, willing to put the players in the right place.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Kidd makes his mark on cross-river rivalry (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:33:28 EDT)
    “I hate him.”
    Those were the words from Nets point guard Deron Williams describing Jason Kidd, who just minutes earlier nailed the game-winning 3-pointer from the left wing with 24.1 seconds remaining to put the Knicks up for good, 100-97.
    “It was a big shot,” Williams said tongue-and-cheek. “Huge shot for them. Like I said, I hate him. That’s a good quote, you can quote that. I hate him.”
    Perhaps Williams also had a flashback to the summer, when he and Kidd were discussing playing together during their regular golfing outings in Southampton.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Melo: The rivalry is officially on (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:07:12 EDT)
    Most of the New York Knicks spent the first six weeks of the season telling anyone and everyone that the Knicks and their new neighbors — the Brooklyn Nets — weren’t true rivals.
    But after he scored a season-high 45 points in a dramatic Knicks’ win at the Barclays Center on Tuesday night, Carmelo Anthony came clean.
    “It is,” Anthony said when asked if Knicks-Nets had developed into a rivalry. “After that first game, we might as well accept that.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 100, Nets 97: Carmelo Anthony 45 and Jason Kidd’s 3-Pointer Seal Knicks’ Win Over Nets (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:13:22 GMT)
    While Carmelo Anthony dominated the evening, Jason Kidd made his presence felt as the Knicks rallied from a 16-point deficit to beat the Nets in Brooklyn.

  • [New York Times] Clippers Beat Bulls to Win Seventh Straight (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:26:50 GMT)
    Chris Paul stood tall in the final minute to protect the Clippers’ lead and help Los Angeles to a 94-89 win over the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday, their seventh straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Griffin Leads Streaking Clippers Past Bulls 94-89 (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:59:47 GMT)
    Chris Paul liked the way the Los Angeles Clippers grinded out an ugly win when they were challenged.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: For Lakers Coach Mike D’Antoni, New Criticism Before a Loss (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:39:04 GMT)
    Kyrie Irving returned from an injury to score 28 points and lead the Cavaliers past the slumping Lakers on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Jerry Stackhouse Joins in Honoring Jackie Robinson and Brooklyn (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:30:06 GMT)
    Jerry Stackhouse, the first major professional athlete in Brooklyn to wear No. 42 since Jackie Robinson, joined the Nets in honoring his idol.

  • [New York Times] Carmelo Anthony Shows Patience on Scoring Run (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:27:21 GMT)
    Aside from his 45 points, the Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony demonstrated a calm composure in the final minutes and showed why he is, arguably, the best scorer in the N.B.A.

  • [New York Times] Nets-Knicks Rivalry Lacks History (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:00:52 GMT)
    The Nets and the Knicks have played only twice, but their fans bring an intensity and noise level that matches rivalry games that span decades.

  • [New York Times] Magic Johnson Says Lakers Should Play Inside Game (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:27:01 GMT)
    Magic Johnson questioned new coach Mike D’Antoni’s system with the slumping Los Angeles Lakers, saying “it doesn’t fit the talent the Lakers have.”

  • [New York Times] Knicks 100, Nets 97: Carmelo Anthony and Knicks Rally to Beat Nets (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:50:55 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony scored a season-high 45 points and Jason Kidd made the tiebreaking 3-pointer with 24 seconds left to carry the Knicks past the Nets in Brooklyn.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Holiday Tops Lawson in Early Contract Returns (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:47:41 GMT)
    When Denver signed Ty Lawson to a contract extension, it was thought to be a fair-market barometer for Philadelphia’s subsequent re-upping of Jrue Holiday.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Kidd Finds a Home Beyond the Arc (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:36:20 GMT)
    Jason Kidd was once known as a defensive wizard and passing virtuoso with a suspect jumper. Now he is one of the N.B.A.’s best 3-point shooters.

  • [New York Times] Irving and Cavs Deal Lakers Another Loss, 100-94 (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:18:10 GMT)
    There had to be a low point. The Los Angeles Lakers can only hope they’ve reached it.

  • [New York Times] Crawford Leads Wizards Over Davis, Hornets 77-70 (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:11:56 GMT)
    Jordan Crawford scored 26 points and the Washington Wizards spoiled the return of overall No. 1 pick Anthony Davis, beating the New Orleans Hornets 77-70 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Lawson Scores 26 to Lead Nuggets Over Pistons (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:23:04 GMT)
    Ty Lawson had 26 points, seven assists and five rebounds to lead the Denver Nuggets to a 101-94 win over the Detroit Pistons on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nets Have New Anthem for Brooklyn (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:28:47 GMT)
    “Brooklyn: Something to Lean On,â? a team song created by the Grammy-nominated artist John Forté, has been galvanizing fans as a symbol of the Nets’ rebirth in New York.

  • [New York Newsday] Carmelo Anthony (45), Jason Kidd lead Knicks' comeback win over Nets (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:13:22 EST)
    Carmelo Anthony wouldn't let the Knicks lose in his hometown, and Jason Kidd wouldn't let them fall to his old team.

  • [New York Newsday] Stoudemire on return: 'Soon' (Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:13:12 EST)
    Amar'e Stoudemire walked off the court after shootaround and gave another indication that he's getting closer to returning from left knee surgery.

  • 68 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 12 2012)

    1. DS

      I was at the game last night, so that happened.

      I’m sure this has been posed already this season: but will this be the best single season 3-point shooting team of all-time??

    2. ruruland

      http://m.si.com/526705/kidd-knicks-showing-no-signs-of-slowing-down/3d2d4b63/

      Anybody else agree that Kidd is one of the better defensive two guards in the league?

      He moves so well on that end of the floor, and we all know about his hands, strength and anticipation. I’m just so impressed with his speed and quickness in rotations and translation. I kept rewinding the sequence he went step for step with Ty Lawson in the full court.

      The other thing I want to look into are his numbers as a shooting guard when playing alongside penetrating point guards that relieve him from initiating. My intuition is that part of the reason his 3pt shooting is so high is because of the number of open looks he gets, while his turnovers are down as well because dramatically reduced responsibilities.

      Let’s all remember that he was the starting point guard. Point guard. In Dallas.

      One wonders how long Kidd can do what he’s doing at sg. For being such a freak mentally, he’s much the same physically.

      I can see another 3 or so years of this if he wants it.

    3. yellowboy90

      ruruland:
      http://m.si.com/526705/kidd-knicks-showing-no-signs-of-slowing-down/3d2d4b63/

      Anybody else agree that Kidd is one of the better defensive two guards in the league?

      He moves so well on that end of the floor, and we all know about his hands, strength and anticipation. I’m just so impressed with his speed and quickness in rotations and translation. I kept rewinding the sequence he went step for step with Ty Lawson in the full court.

      The other thing I want to look into are his numbers as a shooting guard when playing alongside penetrating point guards that relieve him from initiating. My intuition is that part of the reason his 3pt shooting is so high is because of the number of open looks he gets, while his turnovers are down as well because dramatically reduced responsibilities.

      Let’s all remember that he was the starting point guard. Point guard. In Dallas.

      One wonders how long Kidd can do what he’s doing at sg. For being such a freak mentally, he’s much the same physically.

      I can see another 3 or so years of this if he wants it.

      I thought Kidd looked very bad on D last night more times than not. Now the Nets creates a bad match up that few teams can because they have a jumbo 2 and a strong but quick 1. So unless Kidd was effective at denying he was getting beat which forced Tyson up and created opportunities for Blatche and Evans behind him.

      Overall he has been very good though.

      Also, anyone hear Steven A Smith at the end of First Take. He said Melo told him that Kidd is the best teammate he has ever played with. He also said he talked to Kidd and said the world needs to be put on notice about Melo and that he is coming. Plus how his trust in them allows them to do what they do and how much…

    4. flossy

      As astonishing as Kidd has been, he needs to play fewer minutes. I can see how it’s so tempting to lean on him, but he cannot be playing 36+ minute games with any regularity if it’s going to lead to him running out of gas when the games really matter. Hopefully when Amar’e comes back it will make Prigioni more effective and lighten Kidd’s load a bit.

      Speak of which, when Amar’e, Camby and Shumpert come back, assuming they can really contribute, and assuming we don’t trade some of our depth, I’d be interested to see whether Woodson gives one or two rotation guys a DNP-CD every night on a rotating basis rather than try to give everyone like, ten minutes per night. Might be better to let players rest up (especially the older ones) than try to squeeze 10-12 guys into a game and end up with a lot of players out of rhythm and unhappy with their minutes. That way, you’re either really resting or really playing in earnest, not just making a cameo.

    5. JK47

      Kidd generates turnovers as a defensive player, but he gets blown by a lot. I mean, he’s ancient and most NBA 2-guards are pretty quick.

      Shump will probably eventually eat into Kidd’s minutes, which will hurt the offense but will probably help the defense quite a bit. Shump generates lots of turnovers and is much better at denying penetration. I think Shump’s absence is a pretty major cause for the Knicks’ defensive rating slipping from where it was last year. He’s a really good perimeter defender.

      When Shump comes back the Knicks will be able to throw a really versatile and talented group of guards at opponents.

    6. H20

      I love what Felton has done so far this season bit come playoff time I say a potential Kidd/Shumpert backcourt is what works best for us at the end of games. We will be free to switch on 1-2 P&R’s for big backcourts like Bk and we wont have to double team because everyone can stick their man one on one. Obviously matchups and Shumperts health upon his return will be the biggest key but I think Jkidd/Shumpert
      will give us the best chance to close out games.

    7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Remember that if Kidd is scoring 1.9 PPP (as he did last night), he’d have to be absurdly bad at defense to be a net negative. We may think that Kidd had a bad defensive night, but it’s hard for any NBA player to hit 1.9 PPS regardless of which NBA-quality player is defending them. My point is that even if Kidd is a sucky defender, most NBA two-guards aren’t going to hit that figure unless they’re wide open on all of their shot attempts.

    8. Juany8

      Kidd is a pretty good defender at the 2 but he has limits. He’s not super quick, and I think he’s pacing himself during games, which is why this team is so much better at the end of games than at the beginning. Know who else was great late in games? The 2011 Mavericks, who have a foundation pretty similar to this team overall.

    9. Frank

      Re: our defense last night, which was God-awful until the end — Brooklyn is a tough matchup for us, especially with our frontcourt depth all out with injuries. Felton is small, even for a PG. Kidd is a big point, but a small 2. And Brewer is a small 3. We were just killed on guard post-ups last night. And depending on whether MDA decides to get his head out of his butt tomorrow night, we should probably see a bunch of Kobe post-ups tomorrow as well. Or MDA could keep his head up his butt and have Kobe sit at the 3 point line while Chris Duhon does his thing.

      But we should recognize that there are very few 2 guards with Joe Johnson’s size and post-up ability — he was the 10th best post-up player last year according to Synergy.

      Here’s some good news though – Iman Shumpert is pretty tough to post up — 0.69 PPP-against in the post last year, good for 32nd in the league.

      I can very much see Shump playing with Felton/Kidd/Melo/Chandler in the starting lineup against some match ups. Brewer’s 3 point shooting has come back down to earth, and even though his basket cuts are valuable, he’s only actually made 12 shots and drawn 2 fouls on basket cuts so far this year (only 2 positive plays every 3 games). Watching the Nets hide Reggie Evans on Brewer makes you think Shump could have made a big difference in the game last night.

    10. DRed

      Kidd is like 50 years old, so he’s obviously not great at staying in front of his man, but for an ancient relic he’s pretty spry, and he’s still a big dude with ridiculously fast hands, so he’s great to have disrupting passing lanes and bodying up bigger guards. H

    11. Hubert Davis

      Frank:
      We were just killed on guard post-ups last night.And depending on whether MDA decides to get his head out of his butt tomorrow night, we should probably see a bunch of Kobe post-ups tomorrow as well. Or MDA could keep his head up his butt and have Kobe sit at the 3 point line while Chris Duhon does his thing.

      I’m installing “Kobe sits at the 3 point line while Chris Duhon does his thing” as a -$300 favorite over “MDA runs a bunch of Kobe post ups.”

    12. Douglas

      I thought Kidd did a great job in crunch time fronting Joe Johnson in the post and denying him the ball, but that could just be confirmation bias on my part.

    13. DRed

      Hubert Davis: I’m installing “Kobe sits at the 3 point line while Chris Duhon does his thing” as a -$300 favorite over “MDA runs a bunch of Kobe post ups.”

      Kobe’s gonna get his, but unless he goes something like 24-28 from the floor we should be fine, because the rest of that team is really bad. (except for Howard, obviously, but Chandler should be able to eliminate him)

    14. Hubert Davis

      I don’t doubt he’ll score. I think Frank was suggesting MDA should adjust his approach to attack our weakness. Doesn’t seem like the MDA we know.

    15. Frank

      Great Beckley Mason article at NYT about our 3 point attack. He gives lots of love to D’Antoni in this article. Trouble is, it’s looking more and more like MDA is a one-trick pony.

      Lots and lots of people piling on the Lakers right now. Feels like a buy-low moment.

    16. ruruland

      Kidd is a really good defender in the same way hes a really good offensive player.

      He’s not going to beat his man off the dribble, and he will occasionally give up the hard cut, the post-up or get beat off dribble.

      But he’s far and away the best rotator and transition defender on the team. I think he’s clearly the best team defender, and his steals occur when he’s helping.

    17. ruruland

      DRed: Kobe’s gonna get his, but unless he goes something like 24-28 from the floor we should be fine, because the rest of that team is really bad.(except for Howard, obviously, but Chandler should be able to eliminate him)

      Any team with Dwight Howard and Kobe Bryant should scar he crap out of you.

      MDA is a shit coach, and the role players are below average, but let’s remember that teams are beating the Lakers in large part because they are really up to play them.

      I refuse to believe that a Howard/Bryant team won’t eventually start winning game, and hat even with all of the issues with fit, that Nash and Gasol will make them better offensively.

      But, looking forward to exposing Howard in the pnr over and over again.
      Artest is still a good defender, so Felton needs to be aggressive to allow Melo to play off the ball at times. Melo’s has countered Artest’s aggressive defense in the past with a lot of backdoor cuts, I’m sure Kidd and Felton will be looking for him.

    18. ruruland

      Frank:
      Great Beckley Mason article at NYT about our 3 point attack. He gives lots of love to D’Antoni in this article.Trouble is, it’s looking more and more like MDA is a one-trick pony.

      Lots and lots of people piling on the Lakers right now. Feels like a buy-low moment.

      I happen to think Woodson would have stumbled on to 4-out sets on his own. You don’t think the Knicks signed Felton because of his shooting?

      A lot of teams run the same principles MDA uses. He did not invent them. But not a lot of teams have a pnr combo like Felton/Chandler.

      Woodson ran an offense that fit his personnel in Atlanta, just as he’s doing now.

    19. jon abbey

      yeah, Shumpert’s return should take a load off Kidd, who can then come off the bench as the backup PG. Woodson will be able to choose 2 of Felton/Kidd/Shumpert/Smith to close every night, that will be a nice luxury.

    20. Frank

      Gotta hope Felton is just going through a fatigue stretch. He has been awful shooting the ball. Lots of teams will just start going under the screen.

    21. Frank O.

      ruruland:
      Kidd is a really good defender in the same way hes a really good offensive player.

      He’s not going to beat his man off the dribble, and he will occasionally give up the hard cut, the post-up or get beat off dribble.

      But he’s far and away thebest rotator and transition defender on the team. I think he’s clearly the best team defender, and his steals occur when he’s helping.

      He’s also great at ball denial.
      I saw several plays where without even looking at the passer he put his body between the passer and the receiver, either blunting or deflecting the pass.
      He also is crafty. He attacks the shooter a lot as he is raising the ball to shoot. He gets lots of strips that way.
      Last, his anticipation in attacking passing lanes is uncanny.
      It is true that straight up he struggles with quick points and big twos, but his angles work is fantastic and reflects his knowledge.
      He goes basically unseen and suddenly appears in a passing lane. Very, very smart and that kind of play lifts the entire team.
      Don’t judge defense simply by quickness compared to younger, smaller or bigger guards. His guile is special.

    22. Frank O.

      Frank:
      Gotta hope Felton is just going through a fatigue stretch. He has been awful shooting the ball. Lots of teams will just start going under the screen.

      The past few games teams are employing a strategy that attacks the rolling player and leaves Felton to take the shot. In one game it, he was brilliant; in the next he was terrible and probably should be blamed for the loss. Last night he hurt the Knicks, but in the end, when the Nets gave him free rein, he made some smart passes, rather than getting suckered into taking a shot.
      Most teams will play the odds of letting Felton beat them.

    23. jon abbey

      NY is on pace to challenge two alltime NBA team records:

      3 pointers made (record is 841, NY is on pace for a ridiculous 984)
      turnover differential (record is 5.5 per game, which is what NY is currently at)

    24. Owen

      I can vividly remember Kidd at Cal with Lamond Murray, who he carried to the NBA. Appointment viewing anytime he was on….

    25. jon abbey

      there are three players in the NBA with exactly 38 three pointers made so far this year:

      Kidd: 38-72 (.528)
      Felton: 38-94 (.404)
      Harden: 38-110 (.345)

      Felton’s pretty good 3 point percentage makes me wonder how much his shooting issues have to do with Chandler’s inability to do more in the two man game they play so often.

    26. ruruland

      Frank O.: He’s also great at ball denial.
      I saw several plays where without even looking at the passer he put his body between the passer and the receiver, either blunting or deflecting the pass.
      He also is crafty. He attacks the shooter a lot as he is raising the ball to shoot. He gets lots of strips that way.
      Last, his anticipation in attacking passing lanes is uncanny.
      It is true that straight up he struggles with quick points and big twos, but his angles work is fantastic and reflects his knowledge.
      He goes basically unseen and suddenly appears in a passing lane. Very, very smart and that kind of play lifts the entire team.
      Don’t judge defense simply by quickness compared to younger, smaller or bigger guards. His guile is special.

      Yep. And he’s not quick, but he’s still very fast. I’d be shocked if he wasn’t the fastest guy on the team. On more than a few occasions he’s rotated across court to cover someone else out of position to get to a shooter. He also went step-for-step with Lawson a few times.

      Incredible.

    27. BigBlueAL

      I guess it is probably time to really wonder, can this Knicks team set the franchise record for wins in the regular season?? The record is 60 by the 1970 and 1993 Knicks. 2nd most is 57 done 3 times by the 1973, 1994 and 1997 teams. No Knicks team won 56 and only the 1995 Knicks won 55 games.

      Before the season I was happy with winning 50 games which hadnt been done by a Knicks team since 2000 but now obviously I can realistically aim higher (much higher probably). Im not gonna say this team should win 60 because if they dont and “only” win say 55 I certainly wouldnt be upset but man it really would be something if this team wins at least 60 games.

    28. Frank

      btw, if there are any out there who think Carmelo’s 3 point shooting is unsustainable, since he has been a Knick, he has shot 39% from 3 point range over 435 3-pointers. That’s a pretty big sample.

      By the way, since April 1 last year, he has shot 45% from 3 point range over 157 3-pointers. That’s a pretty reasonable sample too.

    29. BigBlueAL

      Frank:
      btw, if there are any out there who think Carmelo’s 3 point shooting is unsustainable, since he has been a Knick, he has shot 39% from 3 point range over 435 3-pointers. That’s a pretty big sample.

      By the way, since April 1 last year, he has shot 45% from 3 point range over 157 3-pointers. That’s a pretty reasonable sample too.

      In his 27 games after the trade he shot 42% from 3pt range while attempting 4.6 per game which coincided with a .575 TS%. What he is doing this season offensively is not that much different than what he did right after the trade, he was excellent offensively after the trade too.

    30. ess-dog

      jon abbey:
      NY is on pace to challenge two alltime NBA team records:

      3 pointers made (record is 841, NY is on pace for a ridiculous 984)
      turnover differential (record is 5.5 per game, which is what NY is currently at)

      This is amazing. Grunwald is looking like Rainman right now. Very weird that Felton shoots .400 from 16 ft. and out, .500 at the rim, and about .300 in between. Makes me think he shouldn’t do the two man game so much – either drive off the pass or shoot from outside. He feeds the post pretty well, but without a mid range, he’ll never be a great pick and roll player.

      BUT this might not be such a bad thing when Amare gets back. Imagine a Melo + shooters offense that is backed up by a Kidd/Amare pnr offense? That will really keep teams on their toes.

    31. ruruland

      ess-dog: This is amazing.Grunwald is looking like Rainman right now.Very weird that Felton shoots .400 from 16 ft. and out, .500 at the rim, and about .300 in between.Makes me think he shouldn’t do the two man game so much – either drive off the pass or shoot from outside.He feeds the post pretty well, but without a mid range, he’ll never be a great pick and roll player.

      BUT this might not be such a bad thing when Amare gets back.Imagine a Melo + shooters offense that is backed up by a Kidd/Amare pnr offense?That will really keep teams on their toes.

      A lot of those in-betweens are floaters that likely get rebounded by Chandler at a very high rate.

    32. ruruland

      Frank, good post.

      Melo is 192 of his last 491 3pt shots (.391) dating back to the last 42 games of 2010.

      I happen to think the wrist injury he suffered against Memphis and came back to play with (where he had the worst scoring stretch of hi NBA career) had a major effect on his shooting (I’m going cherry-picking crazy here though, just as I’ve been proven a fool on every other topic. That horrible shooting stretch had zero to do with injury. All the reports from his personal trainer were fabrications meant to protect his image)

      Anyway, if you just take out the stretch where he returned too early from injury (because the team was sinking like the Titanic) through the all-star break where it had a little time to heal, he’s shot roughly 41% in the last 116 games.

      But when you start breaking it down into non-assisted 3′s the last 5 or so years, the trendline becomes really clear.

      Melo is on pace to not just shatter his 3pt %, but shatter his make and attempt record. Much of that is the work he’s put in, being healthy, reducing the need for his isolations because there’s another dominant play type, and putting him more catch-and-shoot situations.

      But to be clear, becoming a more efficient scorer was a priority last year, which meant more 3s in spot situations the end result of personnel adaptations around him.

      Don’t take my word for it. Read the story I posted about his work with his personal trainer Idan Ravin, I believe in August.

      Here is a cool story about Melo’s start to the 2009 season, coming off an off-season that was ore focused on Melo creating for himself, less on his 3pt shot.

      Melo got off to an MVP start in 2009-10, averaging over 30pts a game on .580 ts through the first 35 games before suffering an elbow injury in Portland that eventually required two surgeries.

      the fact that Melo is getting more off-ball shots ad not grappling every possession gives him a chance to stay healthy this time.

      http://espn.go

    33. mmcknicks

      Tv announcers kill me with their assessement of clutch shots at the end…saying that Kidd fouled Wallace….and what if he did? It wasn’t called, and they won! How about all the other fouls not called…like when Melo got hit in the mouth and drew blood…he didn’t get to the foul line! This happens all the time, and then Jeff Van Gundy states on the air that if the foul was called they wouldn’t have won the game…he is an idiot! There are lots of fouls that were not called, and alot of them on Melo…they maul him in their…bottom line all fouls are + and – and the best team wins. Stop hating, Jeff!

    34. ruruland

      Kobe today: “I think Mike D is a very, very smart offensive coach,” Bryant said. “He’s not a man that is stuck in doing it one particular way. If it’s not working, I’m sure he’s open to mixing things up. I know that. He wants to be successful more than anything. It’s not just about implementing his system. What’s the end goal? The end goal is to win a championship. It’s not playing a certain way.”

    35. mmcknicks

      Frank O.: The past few games teams are employing a strategy that attacks the rolling player and leaves Felton to take the shot. In one game it, he was brilliant; in the next he was terrible and probably should be blamed for the loss. Last night he hurt the Knicks, but in the end, when the Nets gave him free rein, he made some smart passes, rather than getting suckered into taking a shot.
      Most teams will play the odds of letting Felton beat them.

      I think his hand hurts?

    36. ruruland

      This:

      “I’ve always tried to make the game easy for my teammates,” Kidd said. “With Melo, I’m working with him every day that he doesn’t have to fight to get the ball. Just relax. It reminds me of Dirk [Nowitzki]. You don’t have to fight to get the ball. I’ll get you the ball.’’

    37. Juany8

      Ruru, I’m going to say you aren’t cherry picking by pointing out Melo’s injury, people forget that he was having a nice little start to the season since Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, and……… everyone not named Chandler or Melo was a horrific basketball player, and they kept losing games. He also had a very nice stretch after the trade initially happened, and once this team got rid of the point Melo concept or the Melo in the corner concept (aka getting rid of D’Antoni) Melo had a fantastic end to the season. He’s really been great since he came to the Knicks overall, and now he’s playing more consistently than ever (and somehow getting killed for a lack of assists like he’s passing less lmao!)

      Anyways, I have now watched Lawson turn the ball over 3 times in a last possession situation and not get a shot off in another. I’m sure part of it is George Karl, but it’s pretty pathetic late game execution from Lawson. You hate the Melo mid range shots when you watch what San Antonio, Miami, or the Celtics do (with their multiple all stars and fantastic shooters) but then you go watch any other team in the league and you realize why teams just clear out the court for a guy like Melo or Kobe. There’s a huge comfort from knowing you’re getting a shot up right when you want it.

    38. lavor postell

      ruruland:
      This:

      “I’ve always tried to make the game easy for my teammates,” Kidd said. “With Melo, I’m working with him every day that he doesn’t have to fight to get the ball. Just relax. It reminds me of Dirk [Nowitzki]. You don’t have to fight to get the ball. I’ll get you the ball.’’

      Kidd might become the best thing that’s ever happened to Melo. This is a player who has made a HOF career off of extracting the most from every teammate he’s had. I also can’t think of many all-time greats transitioning from a leading role to a supporting role as effectively as Kidd has.

      He’s gone from generating an Eastern (Leastern haha) Conference winning fast break with the likes of Kerry Kittles, Kenyon Martin and Lucious Harris to becoming the critical swing passer in perimeter ball movement and a legit spot up shooter. His knowledge of the game might quite literally be unsurpassed by anybody but Bill Russell.

      It’s still early and I could be horribly wrong, but I think the Knicks have the best chance out of any in the league to win a 7 game series against Miami. You’re never going to beat Miami at what they’re good at. Playing small is fine, but I think if you push the pace against them you’re playing a dangerous game. Woodson has established a system in which we will stretch them defensively, but not compromise ourselves to fast break opportunities.

      At this point without really being able to choose between them I would say SAS, OKC, MEM, MIA and NYK are easily the best teams in the league. I think the C’s can definitely reach that level, but they need to stabilize their defense when KG is resting. LAL if they perform to their optimal ability could beat one of the 3 WC teams, but I really don’t see them as a threat to come out of the West.

    39. Juany8

      I’m very nearly at the point where I think the Nuggets miss the playoffs altogether. Houston’s guys are all super young and it’s not crazy to see them making good progress the rest of the year both individually and as a team. They have a lot of flexibility too. Rubio, Nash, and Gasol should at least make the Lakers and Timberwolves playoff teams, although Love needs to play a lot better on offense if he’s going to play mediocre defense. Golden State just beat the Heat and they are potentially getting Bogut back at some point. The Jazz have a lot of young size that’s improving, and they have a good bit of flexibility with all their good players. Even Dallas is managing to stay afloat without Dirk, he makes that team a lot better when he comes back.

      What’s the appeal with Denver? Most of their players are terrible defenders, Ty Lawson is tiny and inconsistent, Andre Iguodala was supposed to be a major upgrade even though his highest TS% the last 4 years was .537 and playing SG isn’t a very impactful on the defensive end, especially not when you’re replacing an above average defender like Afflalo. I don’t think there’s any chance Iguodala opts out of his $16 million last year with the way he’s playing either, and McGee, Lawson, Gallinari, and Chandler aren’t worth that much in a trade with their contracts.

    40. jon abbey

      Juany8:
      I’m very nearly at the point where I think the Nuggets miss the playoffs altogether.

      you really need to wait until their home/road schedule evens out to judge them, most road games/least home games in the league right now (a ridiculous 17 to 6).

    41. jon abbey

      it is true that DAL, MIN and GS have all been playing without crucial players all year, though (Dirk/Rubio/Bogut). the West is tough…

    42. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      it is true that DAL, MIN and GS have all been playing without crucial players all year, though (Dirk/Rubio/Bogut). the West is tough…

      That’s the problem, even last night Kevin Love was terrible and didn’t look to be completely healed from his injury. Teams that currently have better records than the Nuggets are missing or just getting back players that are arguably better than anyone on the Nuggets. They have 3 10+ point wins all season. It’s going to take 50 wins minimum to get in the playoffs, and while the Nuggets do have a lot of home games left, a lot of those happen to be against the West. Even Portland isn’t too far off the pack, if they or Houston can manage to land a decent impact player on the bench they have an excellent chance of sneaking in as the 8th seed.

    43. jon abbey

      even the year where all eight Western playoff teams did have 50 wins (2009-2010), the 9th place team only had 42, so really it only took 43 wins to make the playoffs. your statement implies that the 9th place team will have 49 or more wins, and there is no way in hell that will be the case.

      FWIW, right now, Hollinger is projecting only 4 50+ win teams in the East (which I do think is probably low, but still):

      http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

    44. Juany8

      In other news, it seems Miami has given up on their small ball lineup. I’m legitimately starting to wonder if last year’s run was a bit of a fluke. New York was decimated with injuries. Indiana was only decent, not good. Boston wasn’t that great in the first 2 rounds, and were only in the ECF because Rose was injured. OKC had a terrible coach leading the way, which led to Kendrick Perkins and Derek Fisher getting big minutes in a Finals matchup they were laughably bad for. It also led to Battier getting open look after open look on the very undisciplined Ibaka. On that note, if Battier doesn’t turn into a machine the first couple of games of that series, games in which OKC was within 1 possession within a minute left in the game, how to the Heat win? If Bosh doesn’t suddenly get good at 3′s in the playoffs AFTER coming back from his injury, how do they win? I realize you need a bit of luck to win, but they had already been through a miracle when the Dallas team that shut them down in the Finals and would have been their biggest threat decided to give away Tyson Chandler for nothing.

      Are we sure Miami is all that good? Maybe they’re still the favorites, but it doesn’t look like it’ll be by a huge margin…

    45. ruruland

      jon abbey: this is not true, come on.

      He’s right. Denver won 52 games and was an eighth seed in ’07. West is even better now.

      Denver has only two real options as I see it, now that it’s been established that the whole ‘wait for a role player to turn into a superstar’ was a horrible idea.

      They can a, go all in on a trade for Gasol by dealing Gallinari while he’s still overvalued ( do you realize he has a 540 TS in his Denver career including playoffs. That’s below average for a medium usage player).

      There won’t be another opportunity to sucker a team with a top 25 player into trading hin to Denver for a merely solid role player.

      Given that the Lakers are financially in a hole and therefore by default committed to MDA, they must build a team to fit his system, because we all know MDA isn’t changing that (did you see Kobes interview with SAS trying to pull a Pjax mind trick on his new coach?).

      And who loved Gallo more than MDA.

      Gasol gives Denver a player they can a half-court offense through, even with a head coach who’s refused to implement a half court system in close to a decade.

      The other option is to wait a few monthd for Lawson, Iggy, Gallo to play better and blow the whole thing up ( or wait until offseason if you must) trading for picks and clearing those bad contracts so you can hold off to sign a true max player in the next 2-3 years.

      There will always be contending teams that will give you a bunch of picks and even take on a bad contract if they get a guy they feel can put them over the top.

      Iggy will probably get traded by next years trade deadline as hell obviously pick up his option.

      Lawson and Gallo will only decline in perceived value from here on out.

      I’m sure they’ll go through the process of trying a new head coach, perhaps to jolt some extra value into these guys in the short…

    46. Juany8

      jon abbey: this is not true, come on.

      I meant in the West only, and you’re wrong actually, 07-08 everyone had 50 wins and a 48 win team missed the playoffs. In 08-09 it was damn close, 48 wins was the lowest playoff seed, but a 46 win team missed the playoffs. I do admit that I was talking about the eighth seed having 50 wins as opposed to what it would take to beat the 9th seed, so maybe it’ll really be 47-48 wins to make the playoffs.

    47. ruruland

      Juany8:
      In other news, it seems Miami has given up on their small ball lineup. I’m legitimately starting to wonder if last year’s run was a bit of a fluke. New York was decimated with injuries. Indiana was only decent, not good. Boston wasn’t that great in the first 2 rounds, and were only in the ECF because Rose was injured. OKC had a terrible coach leading the way, which led to Kendrick Perkins and Derek Fisher getting big minutes in a Finals matchup they were laughably bad for. It also led to Battier getting open look after open look on the very undisciplined Ibaka. On that note, if Battier doesn’t turn into a machine the first couple of games of that series, games in which OKC was within 1 possession within a minute left in the game, how to the Heat win? If Bosh doesn’t suddenly get good at 3?s in the playoffs AFTER coming back from his injury, how do they win? I realize you need a bit of luck to win, but they had already been through a miracle when the Dallas team that shut them down in the Finals and would have been their biggest threat decided to give away Tyson Chandler for nothing.

      Are we sure Miami is all that good? Maybe they’re still the favorites, but it doesn’t look like it’ll be by a huge margin…

      I agree to an extent, but they have the goat and Wade who could still have another run in him.

      They may never play defense like they did last year, but for the Knicjs to beat them in a series, they’ll have to have a few special things happen.

      Melo, should he stay healthy, is primed for a special post-season, but Amare will need to play like he did in 2010 postseason when the Subs swept the Spurs and gave the Lakers a run. I still think Amare has that in him.

      Beating OKC or LAC in the Finals? Don’t want to even think about it.

    48. ruruland

      jon abbey:
      even the year where all eight Western playoff teams did have 50 wins (2009-2010), the 9th place team only had 42, so really it only took 43 wins to make the playoffs. your statement implies that the 9th place team will have 49 or more wins, and there is no way in hell that will be the case.

      FWIW, right now, Hollinger is projecting only 4 50+ win teams in the East (which I do think is probably low, but still):

      http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

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    49. Frank

      ruruland: Kobe today: “I think Mike D is a very, very smart offensive coach,” Bryant said.

      And from Woodson via NY Times:

      “I liked a lot things that Mike did from an offensive standpoint.”

      Hmm. The sound of silence about Mike D’s D.

      I think this Laker team is in real trouble. Offense will be fine, but they will be a disaster on defense unless MDA brings in a defensive coordinator again.

    50. jon abbey

      1) Miami isn’t a “fluke” because of an uninspiring 20 game start to a regular season, they did make the Finals the year before that.

      2) I still don’t buy that 50 wins will be necessary to make the Western playoffs. the differences between 2007/2008 and now is that the top few teams will likely have better records now than they did then (LAL led the conference at 57-25, SAS and OKC should both beat that this year) but more importantly there were four terrible teams for them all to beat up on, at 23-59 or worse, and that’s also unlikely to be the case this year.

    51. jon abbey

      Juany8: I do admit that I was talking about the eighth seed having 50 wins as opposed to what it would take to beat the 9th seed, so maybe it’ll really be 47-48 wins to make the playoffs.

      this I think is closer, but I’d still bet on six 50+ win teams tops in the West this year (if I bet on sports, which I do not anymore).

    52. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      1) Miami isn’t a “fluke” because of an uninspiring 20 game start to a regular season, they did make the Finals the year before that.

      2) I still don’t buy that 50 wins will be necessary to make the Western playoffs. the differences between 2007/2008 and now is that the top few teams will likely have better records now than they did then (LAL led the conference at 57-25, SAS and OKC should both beat that this year) but more importantly there were four terrible teams for them all to beat up on, at 23-59 or worse, and that’s also unlikely to be the case this year.

      A “fluke” in the sense that they seem more dominant than they really are. The 04-05 Pistons made back to back Finals but no one thinks of them as great teams, while this era has a lot of talent overall there are no clear cut dominant teams. I don’t think any team this season stands a chance against a prime Duncan or those Shaq and Kobe teams. So yes, they’re the clear cut best team in the East and have been for 3 years, but the East is weaker than the West and the team that beat them last year blew up the team before it had a chance to repeat.

      I don’t think Miami beats Dallas with Tyson Chandler last year, and I don’t think they even win the title last year if you run it again from the beginning. Do they still steamroll the Knicks if Chandler doesn’t get the flu and the entire backcourt isn’t injured? Do they still get out of the East with a healthy Rose? Do they even get past the Celtics if they have Avery Bradley, who was coming up in a big way last year? What about OKC if Maynor doesn’t go down for the season and Brooks doesn’t fall in love with Fisher’s “veteran leadership”

      Sure they’re the best team in the East and the favorites, but I think it’s a small gap, Miami wasn’t even the favorite going into the playoffs last year.

    53. jon abbey

      on the other hand, they easily could be back to back champions right now. it’s a long long long way until the playoffs, their only real concern is Wade’s health.

    54. Frank

      jon abbey:
      on the other hand, they easily could be back to back champions right now. it’s a long long long way until the playoffs, their only real concern is Wade’s health.

      I really don’t have a good sense about what is going to happen with either Miami or the Lakers this year. Miami’s defense has always been built on their supernatural speed — they close and rotate on you faster than you can shoot it. Their defense sucks this year, and it’s not clear to me whether the league has caught up to their strategy somehow, they just aren’t trying hard enough, or they are literally a step slower. Lebron looks typically awesome when he applies himself, so maybe him being slow is just an effort issue. Wade literally looks like he is running through molasses at times, and so it’s probably either injury or just getting older for him. Battier is what, 50 now? Haslem already started his decline last year. Bosh has never been a particularly good defender. Chalmers looks fat and slow this year. And Ray Allen looks slow and old as well.

      Injuries and effort clearly will get better by playoff time. Old may not. And given how much they are forced to use Lebron on the ball nowadays, their lack of a real defensive anchor in the middle (a la Tyson) really hurts them.

      Re: the Lakers – to me it all depends on whether Howard is really still hurt/injured, or whether he looks only above average on defense because the scheme sucks and there is no attention to detail from, let’s just call it the current coaching staff. If he’s injured, it’ll get better on D for them. I’m pretty sure the scheme and attention to detail will not.

      One team everyone is sleeping on — the Bulls. Their defense is still awesome in spite of losing Asik and Brewer, and Rose will be back by playoff time.

    55. Juany8

      Frank, the problem with Miami’s defense is that their elite defense from the past 2 years relied almost entirely on the supernatural speed and athleticism of the main players on the team. They could trap the shit out of the pick and roll and somehow recover well enough to prevent good looks from 3. This has always made them susceptible to well coached teams that have more than one ball handler capable of at least attacking a rotating defense. This is why Dallas was able to beat them in a series that was only close until Carlisle adjusted. Once Barea was inserted into the starting lineup and (much more importantly) Peja got benched (one dimensional shooters that can’t defend are worthless against Miami) Dallas won the next 3 games, and the last game was a pretty clear cut Dallas win even though Miami was at home.

      The closest team Miami faced to that Dallas team was the Celtics, a team that never would have beat a healthy Bulls team and barely got past the Sixers. Unfortunately for Miami, they got even slower since last year, Wade looks totally off, and there is actually a team in the Eastern conference that is well coached, passes the ball very well, and has multiple forms of attack. The Knicks have some awesome matchup advantages against Miami, the same kind of advantages Dallas had, and those advantages should neutralize the Miami defense, even if they do start playing better. I don’t know that the Knicks will be able to outscore Miami, especially since Felton is going to get far too many chances to shoot, but I do like the thought of seeing what Chandler does to that offense if he’s actually healthy this year. Especially with Bosh trying to box him out while also stifling Felton on the pick and roll

    56. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Juany8: What about OKC if Maynor doesn’t go down for the season

      Do you really think that a guy with a career .059 WS/48, .475 TS%, 1.03 PPS (1.18 is league average), and 0.039 WP/48 is going to give the Thunder not just a better chance but a significantly better chance to beat the Heat last year? Is this really happening?

    57. jon abbey

      over the corpse of Derek Fisher? Maynor getting the backup PG minutes probably would have made it harder for MIA to focus on Harden so much and take him out of the series.

    58. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      over the corpse of Derek Fisher? Maynor getting the backup PG minutes probably would have made it harder for MIA to focus on Harden so much and take him out of the series.

      Bingo! Plus Maynor is a better defender. Still, even if Battier shot only 50% on 3′s the first few games instead of 60 something, Thunder probably win anyways. That Finals was ridiculous in most aspects, a fitting end to an odd season

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