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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 05 2012)

  • [New York Times] Wizards Stun Heat 105-101 for 2nd Win of Season (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:38:33 GMT)
    Before his NBA-worst, one-win Washington Wizards took on LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and the reigning NBA champion Miami Heat, coach Randy Wittman gathered his team for a heart-to-heart.

  • [New York Times] Rasheed Wallace Keeps Technicals Flowing With â??Ball Don’t Lie’ (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 06:16:29 GMT)
    Rasheed Wallace’s “Ball Don’t Lieâ? catchphrase suggests that the ball is the ultimate arbiter of on-court justice, but recently those words have mostly meant punishment for him.

  • [New York Times] Thunder 117, Nets 111: Nets Take a Tough Loss Against the Thunder (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 06:16:22 GMT)
    The Oklahoma City Thunder piled up points at an alarming rate Tuesday night as the Nets tried in vain to match one of the N.B.A.’s most athletic and most electrifying offenses.

  • [New York Times] Roundup: Wizards Get Second Win by Shocking James and the Heat (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 06:16:22 GMT)
    The Washington Wizards doubled their victory total this season with a win over the Heat on Tuesday night, despite Lebron James’s triple-double of 26 points, 13 rebounds and 11 assists for Miami.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Firepower Too Much for Nets (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 05:44:27 GMT)
    The Oklahoma City Thunder cruised to their sixth straight win on Tuesday after an incredible night of shooting earned them a 117-111 victory over the Brooklyn Nets.

  • [New York Times] Randolph Leads Grizzlies Past Suns 108-98 in OT (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:20:54 GMT)
    Zach Randolph had 38 points and 22 rebounds, setting season highs in both categories, to carry the Memphis Grizzlies down the stretch for a 108-98 victory over the Phoenix Suns in overtime Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Wizards Beat Heat 105-101 for 2nd Win of Season (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:14:36 GMT)
    His feet soaking in a tub of ice, his eyes scanning a box score, LeBron James chuckled a bit at the notion that his Miami Heat might learn something from a surprising setback against the Washington Wizards.

  • [New York Times] George Scores 34 to Lead Pacers Over Bulls 80-76 (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:08:37 GMT)
    Paul George scored 34 points and grabbed nine rebounds to lead the Indiana Pacers to an 80-76 win over the Chicago Bulls on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Hold Off Nets 117-111 for 6th Straight Win (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:05:46 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 32 points, Russell Westbrook had 25 points and nine assists, and the Oklahoma City Thunder held off the Brooklyn Nets 117-111 on Tuesday night for their sixth straight victory.

  • [New York Times] Douglas Leads Rockets Over Lakers 107-105 (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:59:43 GMT)
    Toney Douglas had a season-high 22 points and Greg Smith added a career-best 21 to help the Houston Rockets overcome a tough outing by James Harden and rally for a 107-105 win over the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Firepower Too Much for Nets (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 03:56:32 GMT)
    The Oklahoma City Thunder cruised to their sixth straight win on Tuesday after an incredible night of shooting earned them a 117-111 victory over the Brooklyn Nets.

  • [New York Times] Howard, Shved Lead Timberwolves Past 76ers 105-88 (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 02:29:41 GMT)
    Josh Howard had 16 points and 10 rebounds to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 105-88 win over the Philadelphia 76ers on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks will have Kidd & Felton for ‘Cats (Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:51:49 GMT)
    When the Knicks left the Garden on Sunday, it looked as if they would start their three-game road trip without their banged-up starting backcourt. As it turns out, both Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd expect to play Wednesday.

  • 69 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Dec 05 2012)

    1. Juany8

      I got a little curious yesterday, Owen and THCJ were praising Chandler’s amazing offensive skills so I decided to look up his shooting numbers a little more in depth. What I found was a little surprising. As everyone who’s watched Chandler knows, he only takes shots at the rim. His shot distribution is close to 100% at the rim, and he shoots 75.3% from that area, which leads to his monster TS% and efficiency.

      The problem is, he’s not actually all that spectacular at finishing at the rim. Even Dwyane Wade and Lebron James both shoot better at the rim than he does, as well as guys like Boris Diaw and Kendrick Perkins who have a notably higher shooting percentage at the rim (Diaw is over 80% lol) Now I would say number of attempts matter, but Owen and THCJ keep telling me that usage and efficiency aren’t related, and even then, quite a few guys have his attempts and a better efficiency, so I’m going to take it for granted that Boris Diaw has shot over 80% at the rim this season entirely due to his own skill.

      Now this creates a little conundrum. The data suggests that if a guy like Kendrick Perkins simple decided to cut out every shot that wasn’t at the rim and simply passed the ball out instead, he’d be more efficient than Tyson Chandler, who’s apparently an all time great on the offensive end this year. So would a ton of players, including sure hall of famers like Duncan and Garnett.

      So I’m going to ask a question: Does Tim Duncan take shots away from the rim because he’s stupider than Tyson Chandler and can’t figure out that he’d have a much better TS% if he only shot at the rim, or does Tyson Chandler only take shots at the rim because his offensive limitations prevent him from doing anything else?

      (shot location data per 40 minutes sorted by FG% at the rim)

      http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pm&posi=%25&yr=2013&gp2=0&mins=0

    2. Nick C.

      hahaha I used to ask similar questions when the TS star du jour was David Lee. I think it was during the battle of the Davids, Lee v. West, that i asked how if the 82games data had West shooting better from every spot could Lee be better offensively? But back then I woud always get peeved about the semantic issue of high TSP=great offensive player when I thought it should be selective shooter or something like that. Noone gives a particularly straight answer on either end of the argument.

    3. ess-dog

      DWTTD is trying to steal Lin’s job!

      How do the Lakers give up 43 points to Greg Smith and Toney Douglas? Oh yeah, never mind.

    4. Owen

      Tyson is what he is, a low usage, high efficiency center who is the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my lifetime. (b. 1978)

      There are very few players in NBA history who have had his combination of height and leaping ability. I realized this when I was at a game recently. He did a bunny hop on his way out to take the opening tip, just to loosen his legs. The guy was three feet off the floor without trying.

      People think Melo is the star of this team. To me, Melo is the Vince Carter of his generation. A second or third tier star best suited to being the second or third banana on a conference champion.

      The real star of this team is Chandler. And the reason this team has improved is because someone in the front office finally realized that you don’t win with scorers. You win by fielding a team with both talented scorers and talented role players which competes at both ends of the court.

      It’s true Chandler doesn’t have the offensive game of an all time great center like Duncan, Shaq, or Wilt. He doesn’t have the body to play in the low post or the skills to handle the lion’s share of the offensive load.

      But those easy shots he gets at the rim aren’t available to every player in the NBA. He makes it look easy but to me the truth is, Chandler is one of the best players to throw a lob to in NBA history, both because of his physical abilities and his ability to move without the ball.

      He is what I enjoy most about watching the Knicks. We are lucky to have him.

    5. johnlocke

      stands for “Do What Toney Douglas Do”… but last night’s performance should have in fact been “Do What Toney Didn’t Do”

      ess-dog:
      DWTDD?Sorry, I’m a bit rusty on that one.

    6. Owen

      And also, yes, hat tip to Toney Douglas. That was an insane performance. Caught the highlights.

      That might have been a very shrewd pickup for the Rockets. I don’t know what happened to TD last year but he showed in college and in his rookie year he has the potential to be an above average two way NBA guard. I hope he gets there…..

    7. Frank

      Owen: And also, yes, hat tip to Toney Douglas. That was an insane performance. Caught the highlights.

      I am hugely happy for TD — he played horribly for us last year, but he always gave his all and was totally professional even while obviously falling way below everyone’s expectations. He needed a change of scenery and is better off down there.

      Re: Tyson Chandler – remember that FG% only measures shots that either go in or don’t — not the ones that lead to foul shots. So even if he has a lower FG% than Boris Diaw, it doesn’t mean he’s an inferior “finisher” than Diaw. Tyson also is leading the league in And-1%. My feeling is that his TS% on at-rim possessions-used is pretty close to the top of the league.

    8. Z-man

      Owen says (from previous thread) :
      December 4, 2012 at 11:46 pm
      ” “Really, dudes played great for this team IMO. Articulate how this statement is incorrect….or don’t and don’t. Sorry to be obnoxious, but this is the best season in a long time for me.”

      It’s just not all about Melo. That’s my point.

      What I see is what I saw last year. Tyson Chandler is far and away the best, most important player on this team. And it isn’t close. Not only the heart and soul of the team but the most talented.

      Our success is about him and about the talented collection of role players and specialists we have collected in the last few years – and Melo…..”

      Obvioulsy you weren’t paying attention for the first few games, when Chandler played like dogshit (particularly on D) and the Knicks won game after game anyway. Go back and read the game threads from the first 10 games or so.

      I love Chandler and think he is worth every penny of his contract. However, Melo has been the alpha dog on a playoff team every year he has been in the league, whether surrounded by good players or not. Chandler’s teams have missed the playoffs multiple times and have only gotten out of the first round once (with teammates Chris Paul/David West and Dirk Nowitski/Jason Kidd, respectively). His career playoff ws is .134, heis career playoff PER is 13.5. He is a slightly above-average rebounder for a 7-foot starter, and a below average shot-blocker, and a poor passer; he has no post-up or perimeter game at all, he’s a below-average FT shooter. He was also among the league leader in technicals last year. The infatuation with the guy’s low-volume scoring efficiency is truly amusing. His overall impact on a game is not even on the same plane as a guy playing at a usage of 34, especially when he’s putting up top-5 efficiency numbers for any player ever at that usage.

    9. EB

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: WP48 predicted it.

      “lol”

      Not with ‘superstar’ Marcus Camby riding the bench they didn’t. Not with Melo playing PF, or because Jason Kidd is outpacing Chandler in efficiency when Chandler is setting records in efficiency. Not because everyone on the team is throwing up career lows in TO or career high 3p%. Yes they were close on prediction of wins but the reasons seem far apart from why they predicted them to do that well.

    10. Owen

      The alpha dog?

      Look, as I have said, there really is nothing that special about Carmelo Anthony. All you need to do to see that is to compare him to the genuine high usage superstars in the league today and yesterday.

      Carmelo falls way short of the standard set by Lebron and Durant and other historic greats. He just isn’t anywhere close to those guys right now. Not even in the same league. And that’s with him playing the best ball of his career and shooting 12% above his career average from behind the arc. He is a good player but as i said likely to go down as the Vince Carter of his generation.

      I can appreciate that people think that Melo is the straw that is stirring the drink. I just don’t agree. For me, it’s Chandler.

    11. Frank

      Z-man: His overall impact on a game is not even on the same plane as a guy playing at a usage of 34, especially when he’s putting up top-5 efficiency numbers for any player ever at that usage.

      I’m not sure that we need to get into who is most important and who is 2nd most important. I think we could probably get by without either Melo or Tyson for a few games without huge drop-offs (once Amare comes back and provide some primary scoring). I think we need both of them to make a real push in the playoffs.

      Re: usage – I think it’s a useful but hugely overused stat. The beauty of Tyson is that he does all the things that don’t show up well in the box score on both offense and defense. The threat of Tyson on the PNR dive underlies so much of what this offense thrives on. His superior screening ability creates shots not only for himself on the dive, but for Novak, JR, Melo, etc. WE are a +14/100poss on offense when he’s on the floor, and it’s not just because he shoots a high percentage on his 6 shots/game. He is probably top 2 or 3 in terms of big man PNR defense, and even when switched onto a guard in a “mismatch”, is able to force long-2 pullups more often than not because of his superior lateral quickness and length.

      I wish he were a better rebounder but really, he’s a great defensive player. I don’t care at all about the shot blocking since at least it means he’s not block-chasing like Javale or Ibaka.

    12. Frank

      Owen: Carmelo falls way short of the standard set by Lebron and Durant and other historic greats. He just isn’t anywhere close to those guys right now. Not even in the same league. And that’s with him playing the best ball of his career and shooting 12% above his career average from behind the arc.

      I would have agreed with this statement wholeheartedly last year. Not this year. While he may not be playing as well as Lebron (and who is, really), I think he is just below that, with Durant etc. The threat of Melo on offense (as well as Tyson PNR) is what our league-leading offense is based on – period. The Knicks are a +20 per 100 poss on offense when he’s on the floor. And he’s playing very well on D this year. You can’t ask for much more. You don’t need to be Lebron James to be the straw that stirs the drink.

    13. JK47

      The Knicks are the #2 offense in the NBA, and Carmelo Anthony is the focal point of that offense. Take him out of the lineup and you’re trying to score with Ray Felton, JR Smith and the Low Usage Brigade, and quite simply, you’re not going to have the #2 offense anymore.

      The wheels could fall off, and he could regress to being more like a .540 TS% player like he has in his worst seasons, but right now he’s the key component of a very good offensive team.

    14. Z-man

      Not to mention, why are we so quick to assume that Melo has not simply gotten better and that his numbers will regress to his career norms? Look at Chandler’s efficiency stats pre and post age 28, why did he never regress to his career norms?

      Why have his best 3 years (his last 3) come when he is on the floor with two of the most prolific scorers in the game? Why were his playoff numbers (and some of his regular season numbers) so unimpressive in previous years? What was the epiphany he had that has made him into an all-time great?

    15. Owen

      Durant is putting up some pretty insane numbers. Not sure when the last time someone scored 26 points per game with a ts% of 65% but probably not recently. He’ll fall back to earth, just like Melo will, but those two guys really don’t belong in the same sentence, not now, not ever.

      Melo has played very well so far. As I always say when he is on a hot streak, I hope this time is different and he just keeps on rolling. We shall see.

    16. Frank

      Z-man: Not to mention, why are we so quick to assume that Melo has not simply gotten better and that his numbers will regress to his career norms? Look at Chandler’s efficiency stats pre and post age 28, why did he never regress to his career norms?

      This whole thing about how you can’t improve past a certain age is some weird meme that gets propagated everywhere. I couldn’t care less about “studies” that show players don’t get better. The outcome of NBA seasons (and all professional sports leagues) are all based on outliers. Some people get better each year, some people regress each year. Some people learn how to use their skills better, avoid bad shots. Some people decide to shoot 1000 shots/day in the offseason and lose 15 lbs. Does the fact that Elton Brand got worse after age 28 necessitate that Carmelo Anthony has to get worse too? Of course not.

    17. Frank

      Owen: Durant is putting up some pretty insane numbers. Not sure when the last time someone scored 26 points per game with a ts% of 65% but probably not recently. He’ll fall back to earth, just like Melo will, but those two guys really don’t belong in the same sentence, not now, not ever.

      You’re probably right. But again, you don’t need to be an all-time great to be a really great player. Dirk isn’t an all-time great on that level and he has a ring.

      No one (even ruru) has ever said that Melo is necessarily on that level. But can he be the best player on a championship team, and be a (lower-tier) HoFer? Maybe.

    18. lavor postell

      The argument that Melo falls short of Lebron, Durant and other historic greats is foolish. If you compared the hottest girl from when you were in high school to say Giselle Bundchen (Brady?) obviously she wouldn’t be more attractive, but you’d still be pretty excited to get her number.

      Considering that the Lakers have 2 championships with Kobe being a high 30+ usage and low shooting efficiency players indicates to me that a player of Carmelo’s caliber can certainly be the number one scoring option on a championship caliber team. I’d argue that our superior supporting cast to those Lakers definitely gives us a great chance.

      Also you only need to watch the games to really see how much our floor spacing suffers when Carmelo is out of the game. Having a player that can operate effectively from the elbows, a la Dirk, puts a lot of pressure on the defense. If you crowd him, he’s going to blow past you and if you don’t he can make you pay all day from out there. Then if you send a double team, if you spread the floor with shooters and rotate the ball you are virtually guaranteed to get a wide open 3, not to mention Tyson’s constant presence diving to the rim.

      This Knicks team is built on the blueprints of the 2008-09 Nuggets and 2010-11 Mavericks. With the personnel available to us, those are two great models to follow that maximizes our abilities as a team.

    19. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      lavor postell: Considering that the Lakers have 2 championships with Kobe being a high 30+ usage and low shooting efficiency players indicates to me that a player of Carmelo’s caliber can certainly be the number one scoring option on a championship caliber team. I’d argue that our superior supporting cast to those Lakers definitely gives us a great chance.

      Kobe also had two monstrously good seven-footers to contribute to his team wins. The difference is in saying “despite” or “because of” w/r/t his efficiency. Kobe might be the luckiest “star” in the history of the game.

    20. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      Frank: No one (even ruru) has ever said that Melo is necessarily on that level. But can he be the best player on a championship team, and be a (lower-tier) HoFer? Maybe.

      He’s not the best player on this team, so even if the Knicks smash through the playoffs, we won’t know.

    21. Frank

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: He’s not the best player on this team, so even if the Knicks smash through the playoffs, we won’t know.

      Not going to get sucked into this. Both TC and Melo are great players. We’ll need both of them to have a chance at a ring.

    22. Frank

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Kobe also had two monstrously good seven-footers to contribute to his team wins. The difference is in saying “despite” or “because of” w/r/t his efficiency. Kobe might be the luckiest “star” in the history of the game.

      One could also turn that around and say that Shaq was monstrously lucky to play with both Kobe and Dwyane Wade (and a healthy Anfernee Hardaway before that). And that Gasol was languishing on what were horrible Memphis teams even WITH his talents until he landed with Kobe on the Lakers and Phil Jackson. Kobe didn’t win anything without his big men, but his big men also didn’t win anything without him (or a similarly skilled player). And Kobe/Pau/Shaq didn’t win anything at all without a Hall of Fame Coach guiding them (Phil, Pat Riley).

    23. lavor postell

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Kobe also had two monstrously good seven-footers to contribute to his team wins. The difference is in saying “despite” or “because of” w/r/t his efficiency. Kobe might be the luckiest “star” in the history of the game.

      Monstrously good is a gross overstatement for Bynum’s level during that run. Gasol was legitimately at that point a better overall player than Kobe by a considerable margin and they probably would have been better served playing inside out, but they didn’t.

      You can argue that they won despite Kobe but I find it hard to believe you can eliminate 4 playoff teams in 7 game series when you’re offense is being controlled by an ultimately negative player as you’re arguing.

      I don’t buy into the “Kobe is a closer, his will to win is unmatched by anybody to ever play and he’s the closest thing to MJ”. At the same time I think the attention that defenses afforded him at that time says something about how they perceived his value. Age has really caught up to him since that last championship run though and his new found efficiency this year as second banana might regress with D’Antoni thrusting such playmaking duties upon him.

      I accept the utility of WP/48 especially in evaluating efficient role players. However when a statistic like that is telling me that a player like Kobe or Melo is a below-average to average player, but when I watch games and they are consistently facing double and triple teams, I tend to go with the eye test there.

    24. Juany8

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: WP48 predicted it.

      “lol”

      WoW predicted Camby would be a star. Ruru predicted the Knicks turnovers would plummet. Guess who was right?

      Besides, I distinctly recall saying this team would win 48 games. I guess when you’re always wrong it’s nice to pretend you had a different view all along

    25. Juany8

      The argument was never that Melo would suddenly be the best player in the league, it’s that he would be around or better than 2008 Paul Pierce, and that Boston team won a title running their offense around Pierce. Right now, the other contenders in the league are giving max contracts to Rudy Gay, Blake Griffin, Chris Bosh, Russell Westbrook, and Pau Gasol. None of those players are clearly better than Melo, and I would in fact argue that he’s been the best player in that group. He’s very clearly worth the contract.

      What I’m more curious about is why THCJ and Owen claim to be the most statistically inclined posters on the site and then ignore every stat and study that disagrees with their assumed world view. I can post the study that shows lineups with less than 100% expected usage (think Novak, Chandler, Brewer, Prigs, and Thomas, all of whom have less than 20% usage) have noticeably lower efficiency than what would be predicted by the individual efficiency of the players.

      Furthermore, a lineup with more than 100 expected usage has a better offensive efficiency than what would be expected. How in the world do you just ignore that?

      http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/06/diminishing-returns-for-scoring-usage-vs-efficiency/

    26. BigBlueAL

      “Tyson is what he is, a low usage, high efficiency center who is the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my lifetime. (b. 1978)”

      You mustve been born in 2001 not 1978 if Chandler is the best Knick in your lifetime cause I was born in 1980 and the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my or any other person alive lifetime is Patrick Ewing.

    27. Z-man

      Juany8: The argument was never that Melo would suddenly be the best player in the league, it’s that he would be around or better than 2008 Paul Pierce, and that Boston team won a title running their offense around Pierce. Right now, the other contenders in the league are giving max contracts to Rudy Gay, Blake Griffin, Chris Bosh, Russell Westbrook, and Pau Gasol. None of those players are clearly better than Melo, and I would in fact argue that he’s been the best player in that group. He’s very clearly worth the contract.What I’m more curious about is why THCJ and Owen claim to be the most statistically inclined posters on the site and then ignore every stat and study that disagrees with their assumed world view. I can post the study that shows lineups with less than 100% expected usage (think Novak, Chandler, Brewer, Prigs, and Thomas, all of whom have less than 20% usage) have noticeably lower efficiency than what would be predicted by the individual efficiency of the players. Furthermore, a lineup with more than 100 expected usage has a better offensive efficiency than what would be expected. How in the world do you just ignore that?http://www.countthebasket.com/blog/2008/03/06/diminishing-returns-for-scoring-usage-vs-efficiency/

      Juany, great study, of course it isn’t form a WoW author, so how valid can it possibly be? I wonder if you’ll get a thoughtful response.

      PS Glad you saw a great game last night, I hate those years when the games I go to are clunkers. Is Lin just missing, or is he taking bad shots? Has he gotten any better at driving left?

    28. cgreene

      BigBlueAL:
      “Tyson is what he is, a low usage, high efficiency center who is the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my lifetime. (b. 1978)”

      You mustve been born in 2001 not 1978 if Chandler is the best Knick in your lifetime cause I was born in 1980 and the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my or any other person alive lifetime is Patrick Ewing.

      Exactly. But WP disagrees!!!! So we must be wrong. The dogma of THCJ and Owen reminds me of a mustachioed coach in southern California who think that because a certain game plan works for some players that it must work for all. Because certain stats unearth the appropriate or in some cases unseen value of some players then it can be properly applied to all in a game of complex interactions. Wrong.

    29. Z-man

      BigBlueAL: “Tyson is what he is, a low usage, high efficiency center who is the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my lifetime. (b. 1978)”You mustve been born in 2001 not 1978 if Chandler is the best Knick in your lifetime cause I was born in 1980 and the best player to put on a Knicks uniform in my or any other person alive lifetime is Patrick Ewing.

      Yeah BBA, really, please.

    30. Juany8

      Z-man: Juany, great study, of course it isn’t form a WoW author, so how valid can it possibly be? I wonder if you’ll get a thoughtful response.

      PS Glad you saw a great game last night, I hate those years when the games I go to are clunkers. Is Lin just missing, or is he taking bad shots? Has he gotten any better at driving left?

      Thanks Z-man, as far as Lin… you know how his greatest skill last year was primarily as an on the ball scorer? Well he’s playing a lot more off the ball now, but more importantly, he is not a good on the ball scorer. He’s actually gotten very good at passing and just running an offense, he consistently makes good things happen with his passing when he has some space. Problem is that he is simply not that good at scoring, like at all. I have no hope of him making plays consistently when running the offense, and while Houston’s offense has serious issues, Lin simply can’t impact a game with his scoring any better than Prigs can right now. Don’t get why he hasn’t learned how to shoot, he’s not Rajon Rondo with gorilla hands that make it hard to shoot the ball…

      On a more personal note, that was the first basketball game I attended in years, and Toney Douglas, who’s play I have recently described as the basketball equivalent of a chicken with it’s head cut off, was the second best player on the floor. The weirdest thing is how natural it looked. I very quickly realized I was expecting TD to do well instead of suck. I even cheered his late game 3 before it went in, I 100% bought into him that game. He looked totally calm and collected out there, I think this game might help him at least get back to being a passable rotation player

    31. Z-man

      Don’t forget WoW fave David Lee; and Landry Fields must be in the top 10, no?

      Juany, I always liked and rooted hard for TD, ever since Coach K declared that he was his favorite non-Blue Devil in that class. I hope he sticks in the NBA and helps a team like Houston in his best role, backup combo guard.

    32. ruruland

      Let’s remember that Owen and I went at it quite a bit last year and that he was the person who scoffed at the Harden/Melo comparison (His words: Harden was elite, Melo average at best. Not a comparison.), who argued that guys like Iguodola, Ryan Anderson, Luol Deng and Gallo among a long list pulled from WoW’s WP/48 were all clearly superior players based on the single metric.

      Owen was the guy who didn’t believe Juany and I when we talked about his team — the Nuggets– struggling in the playoffs because their style of play disguised their weaknesses and elevated their strengths in a way that couldn’t be replicated in a playoff-style game.

      Do we forget that it was Owen who was so confident in the statistically superior Nuggets beating the Lakers in the playoffs?

      Do we forget that Owen and his fellow anti-trade posters for months railed that it would be impossible for the Knick to build a contending team around Melo/Amar’e?

      Or that it was Owen who implied that it wasn’t that the Knicks role players who were atrocious last year, it was that Melo refused to pass to them enough?

    33. johnlocke

      LOL. Those were some classic wars.

      The narrative has shifted from Melo sucks, to Tyson’s better it seems, haha.

      ruruland:
      Let’s remember that Owen and I went at it quite a bit last year and that he was the person who scoffed at the Harden/Melo comparison (His words: Harden was elite, Melo average at best. Not a comparison.), who argued that guys like Iguodola, Ryan Anderson, Luol Deng and Gallo among a long list pulled from WoW’s WP/48 were all clearly superior players based on the single metric.

      Owen was the guy who didn’t believe Juany and I when we talked about his team — the Nuggets– struggling in the playoffs because their style of play disguised their weaknesses and elevated their strengths in a way that couldn’t be replicated in a playoff-style game.

      Do we forget that it was Owen who was so confident in the statistically superior Nuggets beating the Lakers in the playoffs?

      Do we forget that Owen and his fellow anti-trade posters for months railed that it would be impossible for the Knick to build a contending team around Melo/Amar’e?

      Or that it was Owen who implied that it wasn’t that the Knicks role players who were atrocious last year, it was that Melo refused to pass to them enough?

    34. johnlocke

      searched the archives –> this was a response from Owen to me on Melo versus Danilo / Chandler from the Spring — Um, Knicks are outperforming the Nuggets

      “JohnLocke=

      Yeah, I’d much much rather have Danilo and Wilson Chandler than Melo.

      Any advanced metric, (adjusted +/- or stat based) show Gallo and Melo to be equivalent talents at the time of the trade.

      Gallo though was a lot younger and cheaper. We also drafted him, which is a nice perk as a fan.

      Plus, all the picks….

      Chandler is probably a league average player also, which has some value.

      It will be interesting to see how many times the Knicks outperform the Nuggets while Carmelo is on the team. I will set the line at 1 and take the under.”

    35. JK47

      Let me go on record as saying that I’m not a fan of the “Ball Don’t Lie” meme.

      For one, Rasheed Wallace is pushing 40. A little long in the tooth to be whining about fouls at this point. Dude has been in the league long enough to be teammates with Mark Price and Arvydas Sabonis; maybe it’s time for him to realize there’s going to be a bad call in the NBA every once in a while.

      Second, the ball often DOES lie. I’m going to go ahead and guess that FT percentage does not go down appreciably on FTAs that were a result of bogus fouls, whether the whistle was blown on Rasheed Wallace or not.

      I’m half joking, of course. But I do find “ball don’t lie” to be pretty annoying, almost as annoying as Amar’e’s “AND ONE” yelps that almost never result in an “and one.”

    36. Frank

      I have no problem with posters having strong opinions. Hey, that’s what forums are for.

      But we all pretty much agree that available box-score statistics are less than optimal, don’t we? No distinction between contested rebounds and “free” rebounds. No distinction between not getting rebounds because you were told not to go for it (ie. running back on D rather than crashing offensive boards) and not getting rebounds because you’re Eddy Curry. No hockey-assists recorded. No assists given for shot attempts that yield free throws. No quantification at all of steal attempts that lead to defensive breakdowns (ie. JR’s and TD’s specialty before this year, although Prigs is rising in those rankings). No quantification of how many rebounds a player gets because he abandons his man to rebound-hog, thereby worsening overall team defense (hi David Lee!!). And on and on.

      If we can mostly agree that there are these problems, then how can we believe “Advanced” statistics to the point that we are attacking/belittling/ridiculing anyone when those advanced statistics use crappy/incomplete stats? Garbage in, garbage out.

      I’m not saying that box score stats aren’t useful. They just aren’t complete. And to make like WP48, WS, or any all-in-one stat is any kind of gospel when it’s obvious they are based on incomplete data just doesn’t make sense to me.

      The world has really moved to a place where people feel like they need to make categorical all-or-nothing statements and then shout down all disagreement. It’s really too bad.

      OK. Rant over.

    37. johnlocke

      “Ball don’t lie” is a classic NBA quote, along with “both teams played hard” and “Practice? Practice? ” They live on even after players turn 40 or retire (AI)

      JK47:
      Let me go on record as saying that I’m not a fan of the “Ball Don’t Lie” meme.

      For one, Rasheed Wallace is pushing 40.A little long in the tooth to be whining about fouls at this point.Dude has been in the league long enough to be teammates with Mark Price and Arvydas Sabonis; maybe it’s time for him to realize there’s going to be a bad call in the NBA every once in a while.

      Second, the ball often DOES lie.I’m going to go ahead and guess that FT percentage does not go down appreciably on FTAs that were a result of bogus fouls, whether the whistle was blown on Rasheed Wallace or not.

      I’m half joking, of course.But I do find “ball don’t lie” to be pretty annoying, almost as annoying as Amar’e’s “AND ONE” yelps that almost never result in an “and one.”

    38. StatsTeacher

      So poking around on Wages of Wins is fun right now. Knicks projected to win 63 games, and the East is a “2 team race” for #1 seed. Melo “in the discussion” for MVP and Houston exceeding expectations and going to win 48 games, 6th in West and 11th overall in the league — “Young and intriguing” was the phrase. Also Hou had ugliest win in 16 years. Actually, it all sounds reasonable, at least today.

    39. johnlocke

      Well that article actually concludes that given the stats they looked at Melo was not a deserving candidate, but based on the way voters vote (leading scorer on a good team) he is..

      StatsTeacher:
      So poking around on Wages of Wins is fun right now.Knicks projected to win 63 games, and the East is a “2 team race” for #1 seed.Melo “in the discussion” for MVP and Houston exceeding expectations and going to win 48 games, 6th in West and 11th overall in the league — “Young and intriguing” was the phrase.Also Hou had ugliest win in 16 years.Actually, it all sounds reasonable, at least today.

    40. StatsTeacher

      True, but there is no denying Melo’s increased efficiency as pointed out, which was nice to see. I think Melo does look different right now, maybe I’m wrong though (which is typical for me and analyzing anything bball.)

    41. johnlocke

      I agree and I’m not sure the stats that article used are great stats.
      For one, we’ve already talked about the importance of hockey assists versus regular assists as a stat in our offense. Second, comparing the turnovers of a star player to the average player at a particular position is silly b/c it doesn’t account for usage, and as we’ve all talked about (blocks / steals) don’t fully define good defensive effort — gambling, being out of position, etc all boost those stats. The Synergy stats apparently say Melo is not doing all that great on the defensive end, which definitely conflicts with my eye-test as well. Statistically, I think the big question is whether Melo can keep up that three point % pace over the course of a whole season w/ respect to his efficiency, but he is definitely getting better looks than last season (and I haven’t looked, but I’d bet his assisted % on those threes is much higher than last season)

      StatsTeacher:
      True, but there is no denying Melo’s increased efficiency as pointed out, which was nice to see.I think Melo does look different right now, maybe I’m wrong though (which is typical for me and analyzing anything bball.)

    42. ruruland

      johnlocke:
      LOL. Those were some classic wars.

      The narrative has shifted from Melo sucks, to Tyson’s better it seems, haha.

      Yeah, back when some of us we’re talking about how much difference it would make to change the role players around Melo, Chandler and Amar’e, Owen was talking about Chandler as the sole reason the Knicks were anything decent.

      http://knickerblogger.net/quick-reaction-knicks-85-sixers-79/

      http://knickerblogger.net/2011-2012-game-thread-new-york-memphis/

    43. Juany8

      Owen:
      Taking your victory lap already? Seems a little premature, even for you….

      The Knicks are contenders, the Nuggets suck, and James Harden has a lower win shares than Melo now that they have the same role. Ryan Anderson’s advanced stats have taken a noticeable drop with Dwight Howard too, while Kevin Martin’s have shot through the roof now that he’s playing with Durant and Westbrook.

      Literally every major case study this season of a player drastically switching roles has gone in favor of those who appreciate shot creation and interaction effects. OKC hasn’t received even the most miniscule productivity from the rest of the assets they got for Harden and they already look like a better team. That really should have been the closing argument, but apparently even the most clear cut superstars turn out to be outliers

    44. DRed

      ruruland: Yeah, back when some of us we’re talking about how much difference it would make to change the role players around Melo, Chandler and Amar’e, Owen was talking about Chandler as the sole reason the Knicks were anything decent.

      Looking over those threads I see some of us were also talking about how Baron Davis would have a profound impact on Amar’e’s game. Guess you can’t win em all.

    45. ruruland

      johnlocke:
      I Statistically, I think the big question is whether Melo can keep up that three point % pace over the course of a whole season w/ respect to his efficiency, but he is definitely getting better looks than last season (and I haven’t looked, but I’d bet his assisted % on those threes is much higher than last season)

      I predicted 38-42% from 3 and 575 TS or above.

      First, Melo’s asssisted 3 % has risen from 65 to 78%.

      There are some really important casual factors to look at. The high pnr with Felton/Chandler is creating open 3s for Melo in the slot:

      Melo’s long been a strong 3pt shooter in both slot positions. Here is Goldsberry’s shot chart from last season:

      http://courtvisionanalytics.com/the-alignment-of-carmelo-anthony/

      The biggest reason for Melo’s surge in efficiency isn’t so much that his 3-pt percentage is way bettter (it is and we will get into that soon), it’s that he is getting a far higher percentage of his shots in the slot:

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/shooting/2013/

      Melo is shooting 29/63 (46%) in spot-ups, off-screens, offensive rebounds, pnr roll man and transition 3s’, which are the assisted basket types.

      He is shooting 8/21 in non-assisted situations.

      75% of Melo’s 3pt attempts are assisted attempts.

      Let’s look at last year.

      Melo shot 27% on unassisted attempts (21/78), he shot 36 % on assisted attempts.

      65% of Melo’s 3pt attempers were assisted attempts last year.

      How about 2010?

      Melo shot 41% on assisted 3 pt attempts. He shot 31% on unassisted 3pt attempts.

      However, only 59% of his attempts were assisted…….

      Pretty clear, right?

    46. ruruland

      DRed: Looking over those threads I see some of us were also talking about how Baron Davis would have a profound impact on Amar’e’s game.Guess you can’t win em all.

      Haha, that was before I did more intense homework on Davis and how below average he was in pnr. (And we were generously assuming he would be healthy when he returned)

      But remember when he intially came back he was actually pretty good. His assist rate was really high, he was getting into the lane and creating. Also, Amar’e played really well with Davis as he does with any penetrating guard.

    47. Juany8

      DRed: Looking over those threads I see some of us were also talking about how Baron Davis would have a profound impact on Amar’e’s game.Guess you can’t win em all.

      Actually, Amar’e played pretty well after Baron and Woodson came in. Don’t know that it was strictly because of Davis, but the Knicks did go on that big run to end the season with Davis at PG, so I would say he actually did make a big difference, at least over Toney Douglas.

      Oh and since everyone keeps mentioning Melo’s hot 3 point shooting and talking about how it will drop, I thought I should bring up another area where Melo’s shooting numbers are way off from his career numbers… Shooting at the rim! Melo is shooting 52.7% at the rim this season, which is his career low by a fucking mile. The only other time he shot under 57 was the season he was demanding a trade to the Knicks, and after he came to the Knicks he started shooting 66% at the rim and over 40% from 3’s. Turns out immediately after the trade the Knicks had the best offense in the league and Melo’s scoring numbers were IDENTICAL to this season. Seems having a real point guard and proper spacing seems to help Melo’s numbers but what do I know.

      Anyways, even if Melo’s 3 point shooting drops off somewhat, he is putting up a career fucking low at the rim by far! What happens when that goes back to his career normal of around 60%? Right now he has the best shot distribution of his career in terms of shots at the rim, free throws, and 3 point shots. By the way, he’s also shooting a career high from 16-23, and just came off an Olympics where he was used as a shooter and off a summer where he vowed to work on his spot up shooting. It really could just be that Melo got better at shooting, like Jason Kidd did once upon a time. Stat geeks are still waiting for him to regress to the mean lol

    48. ruruland

      A lot of numbers there, and pretty dry stuff.

      The bottom line is that over the last three years, Melo is a +40% 3pt shooter on assisted attempts.

      This year, he is generally taking the unassisted attempts as a last resort (late shot clock shots), and getting a lot more of his assisted attempts in his hot zones.

      So it’s not just that he’s taking more 3s, he’s taking them in his most efficient areas, and I would argue that the percentage of open looks is higher than it’s ever been.

      Let’s remember, Melo’s never really played as an off-ball player to another dominant shot-creation mode.

      He’s never played with a penetrating, passing guard. He’s never played with a double-team creating big man.

      The high pnr with Felton is the first time Melo’s has played alongside a dominant playmaking point guard. It’s creating better looks than he’s ever had.

      But that still doesn’t explain the significant jump in 3pt percentage in his hot zones?

      But how much of a jump is it?

    49. DRed

      ruruland: Haha, that was before I did more intense homework on Davis and how below average he was in pnr. (And we were generously assuming he would be healthy when he returned)

      But remember when he intially came back he was actually pretty good. His assist rate was really high, he was getting into the lane and creating. Also, Amar’e played really well with Davis as he does with any penetrating guard.

      Baron Davis was fucking awful, just like all our point guards were last season (Linsanity excluded). He was a turnover machine. The biggest single reason for the Knicks improvement this year is getting good point guard play. Ray-Ray is still too much of a chucker, but my god is he better than Baron Davis. And J-Kidd is of course amazing.

    50. johnlocke

      Nice post ruru. Your last two questions were the ones I have. Even accounting for his assisted % going up, his shooting is still better this year than in past years…so either a) he’s just hot right now, b) he’s getting more open looks off assists in his hotzones or c) he’s fundamentally a better shooter this season. I think my eye-test says it’s b, most stat-heads would say it’s a (the whole bias of statisticians towards reversion to the mean)

      ruruland:
      A lot of numbers there, and pretty dry stuff.

      The bottom line is that over the last three years, Melo is a +40% 3pt shooter on assisted attempts.

      This year, he is generally taking the unassisted attempts as a last resort (late shot clock shots), and getting a lot more of his assisted attempts in his hot zones.

      So it’s not just that he’s taking more 3s, he’s taking them in his most efficient areas, and I would argue that the percentage of open looks is higher than it’s ever been.

      Let’s remember, Melo’s never really played as an off-ball player to another dominant shot-creation mode.

      He’s never played with a penetrating, passing guard. He’s never played with a double-team creating big man.

      The high pnr with Felton is the first time Melo’s has played alongside a dominant playmaking point guard. It’s creating better looks than he’s ever had.

      But that still doesn’t explain the significant jump in 3pt percentage in his hot zones?

      But how much of a jump is it?

    51. ruruland

      Juany is right. Though his assisted basket attempts are very low historically, partly due to pace. I would expect it to rise.

      But I think it’s important to note the trendlines.

      Last year, Melo spent a lot of his off-season working as a ballhandler in preperation for MDA’s system.

      As we know this past off-season, Melo worked on off-ball catch-and-shoot.

      Remember how surprised people were when Melo was going off in the Olympics?? Many of those people said that Melo was only performing well because the 3pt line was shorter in interntaional play, ignoring the fact that around 21 feet, Melo’s shooting percentage is lower than from behind the 3pt line in his hot zones (nevermind that Melo was shooting a lot of NBA 3s in the Olympics).

      Those people were wrong.

      But this trend in Melo’s 3pt shooting has been apparent for about 5 years. After mastering his isolation and post-up game, more and more of his time has been spent on the 3 ball.

      A lot guys have incrementally improved their 3pt shooting over the years. Melo was a guy who came into the league with really bad balance on 3pt shots. He used to be more of an off-balance mid range shooter. he’s corrected those mechanical problems through reps, and his stroke is as consistent as its ever been in his basketball career.

      But why did Melo struggle so much last year???

      Well, a lot of it had to do with his assortment of injuries. Part of it was the weight he put on after sitting out from the wrist injury he suffered against Memphis.

      But let’s remember, because the Knicks were struggling so much, Melo came back earlier than he should have, it led to the worst shooting slump of his career.

    52. ruruland

      DRed: Baron Davis was fucking awful, just like all our point guards were last season (Linsanity excluded).He was a turnover machine.The biggest single reason for the Knicks improvement this year is getting good point guard play.Ray-Ray is still too much of a chucker, but my god is he better than Baron Davis.And J-Kidd is of course amazing.

      He had a really high turnover rate but was creating a lot of easy shots in the paint, more than Lin was on a per minute basis for the first few weeks of his return.

      Yes, with his to% and ts, he was not good at all and got much worse the more he played.

    53. JK47

      DRed: Baron Davis was fucking awful, just like all our point guards were last season (Linsanity excluded).He was a turnover machine.The biggest single reason for the Knicks improvement this year is getting good point guard play.Ray-Ray is still too much of a chucker, but my god is he better than Baron Davis.And J-Kidd is of course amazing.

      Agreed. The Knicks turned it around under Woodson because they started playing common sense basketball and not being forced to play a SSOL offense that anyone with a brain should have seen they were completely incapable of playing. D’Antoni should be sued for basketball malpractice for his shitty coaching last year.

      I mean, what are you trying to do– win games or prove that your stupid gimmick system is the only true way to play basketball? What a freaking idiot that guy is.

    54. johnlocke

      Didn’t read your post Juany8 until now… looks like we said some of the same stuff haha… good post.

      Juany8: Actually, Amar’e played pretty well after Baron and Woodson came in. Don’t know that it was strictly because of Davis, but the Knicks did go on that big run to end the season with Davis at PG, so I would say he actually did make a big difference, at least over Toney Douglas.

      Oh and since everyone keeps mentioning Melo’s hot 3 point shooting and talking about how it will drop, I thought I should bring up another area where Melo’s shooting numbers are way off from his career numbers… Shooting at the rim! Melo is shooting 52.7% at the rim this season, which is his career low by a fucking mile. The only other time he shot under 57 was the season he was demanding a trade to the Knicks, and after he came to the Knicks he started shooting 66% at the rim and over 40% from 3?s. Turns out immediately after the trade the Knicks had the best offense in the league and Melo’s scoring numbers were IDENTICAL to this season. Seems having a real point guard and proper spacing seems to help Melo’s numbers but what do I know.

      Anyways, even if Melo’s 3 point shooting drops off somewhat, he is putting up a career fucking low at the rim by far! What happens when that goes back to his career normal of around 60%? Right now he has the best shot distribution of his career in terms of shots at the rim, free throws, and 3 point shots. By the way, he’s also shooting a career high from 16-23, and just came off an Olympics where he was used as a shooter and off a summer where he vowed to work on his spot up shooting. It really could just be that Melo got better at shooting, like Jason Kidd did once upon a time. Stat geeks are still waiting for him to regress to the mean lol

    55. Juany8

      JK47: Agreed.The Knicks turned it around under Woodson because they started playing common sense basketball and not being forced to play a SSOL offense that anyone with a brain should have seen they were completely incapable of playing.D’Antoni should be sued for basketball malpractice for his shitty coaching last year.

      I mean, what are you trying to do– win games or prove that your stupid gimmick system is the only true way to play basketball?What a freaking idiot that guy is.

      Funniest part of watching the game last night was when the Rockets were barely hanging on in the second half and the Lakers decided to go away from a volcanic Kobe and turned to Chris Duhon pick and rolls with Kobe standing in the corner. MDA doesn’t have a clue about basketball…

    56. ruruland

      cont from 58…..

      As we’ve had these shooting efficiency/Melo debates over the years, I’ve noted that these Melo streaks of high efficiency have always been interrupted by either a dramatic change in team dynamic that changed Melo’s shot types (Andre Miller to Allen Iverson, Iverson to Billups, Billups to Melo playing point guard); or they’ve been interrupted by an injury that changed Melo’s release.

      I’ve actually posted on this board the news clips documenting Melo injuries coinciding with his the marked efficiency drops.

      Now, maybe this issue is that Melo is injury prone. Maybe the big flaw is that Melo can’t be very efficient when he is injured.

      But the vast majority of these injuries have occured when Melo was grappling with a defender in the post….

      I’ve always said that the best way to keep Melo healthy and efficient is to lower his isolations and post-ups some and into shots he doesn’t have to fight for.

      That’s what’s happened so far this year (knock on wood), and his usage has actually increased !!

      So, anyway, Melo’s 3pt shooting.

      It’s hrd to say when Melo got healthy last year. It’s easy to say April. But remember it was the Orlando game where Melo played through a hamstring strain that really got him going.

      So, to try to be fair here, let’s look at Melo’s 3pt shooting the last 3 years excluding the stretch of games where he rushed back from injury after Memphis (the Orlando game) and when he returned from missing two weeks after Linsanity (where his hand and wrist injuries had time to heal).

      If we exclude that stretch (9-44 from 3, Melo shot close to 20% from the field during that stretch), Melo shot 37% from 3 last year, after shooting .375 the year before.

      And how about this: If you take out that 11 game stretch, Melo has shot 173/425 over his last 102 games (.407%).

    57. ruruland

      JK47: Agreed.The Knicks turned it around under Woodson because they started playing common sense basketball and not being forced to play a SSOL offense that anyone with a brain should have seen they were completely incapable of playing.D’Antoni should be sued for basketball malpractice for his shitty coaching last year.

      The funny thing is that they have actually run about as much high pnr as they did last year, they just took out all of the stupid system stuff that did nothing to put players in position to score based on their strengths and added common sense. yeah, and this team is much better suited as medium-slow paced half-court team.

      It’s hilarious actually to read Woodson’s comments/ about the difference between he and MDA and this team and MDA’s team last year,you don’t have to infer much to get that Woodson thinks about MDA much the same many posters on this board do.

      Did we all forget that Woodson was hired as a “defensive coordinator.” Who was the last coach so inept defensively the organization hired a defensive coach for the head coach????

      I’ve never seen that before.

      There are a lot of defensive-oriented assistants who implement their defensive systems — but they are the head coaches’ guys. I’ve never heard of a defensive coordinator.

      When Woodson takes responsibility for not putting his players in position to score (or even takes responsibility for his team losing or not being prepared), when he designs plays that utilize the strengths of his top usage guys (JR,Felton and Melo), when he talks about defense being the team’s identity (and actually coaches it), the contrast between he and D’Antoni is truly remarkeable.

      MDA is terrible NBA coach who brought a system to the NBA he didn’t invent, and was lucky enough to ride the coattails of the greatest pnr/ up-tempo playmaker in the history of basketball.

    58. JK47

      Woodson was hired to be the defensive coordinator, and what do you know, they were a damn good defensive team.

      When the Lakers continue to crash and burn, will people blame D’Antoni’s failures on Kobe, like they did to Melo, or will people finally realize this guy is a hack once and for all?

    59. ruruland

      Juany8: Funniest part of watching the game last night was when the Rockets were barely hanging on in the second half and the Lakers decided to go away from a volcanic Kobe and turned to Chris Duhon pick and rolls with Kobe standing in the corner. MDA doesn’t have a clue about basketball…

      Dwight Howard is averaging 8.7 post-up attempts per game so far accordng to Synergy.

      In 2009, he averaged 12.8 post-ups per game.

      In 2010, he averaged 15.7 post-ups per game

      In 2011, he averaged 12.2

      Also, his pnr rolls are way down. And Andrew Bynum was a more effective pnr player last year (though Howard was once the best on limited attempts)

    60. Frank

      In case anyone missed this:

      @JADubin5: RT @charliewiddoes: A little late, but relevant to #Knicks fans: Iman Shumpert looked fantastic warming up before Sunday’s game. Explosive.

    61. ruruland

      JK47:
      Woodson was hired to be the defensive coordinator, and what do you know, they were a damn good defensive team.

      When the Lakers continue to crash and burn, will people blame D’Antoni’s failures on Kobe, like they did to Melo, or will people finally realize this guy is a hack once and for all?

      I wouldn’t root against him if he weren’t a backstabber who took no responsibility for his team’s performance, who is about arrogant as you come across in the league (excluding Phil.)

    62. ruruland

      Frank:
      In case anyone missed this:

      @JADubin5: RT @charliewiddoes: A little late, but relevant to #Knicks fans: Iman Shumpert looked fantastic warming up before Sunday’s game. Explosive.

      January is when things (knock on wood) get really fun (or boring depending on your perspective).

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