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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Apr 18 2012)

  • [New York Daily News] Deron Williams halted ‘Linsanity’: Avery (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:45:28 GMT)
    Avery Johnson has fingered the killer of ‘Linsanity.’ Hint: it wasn’t knee surgery or Carmelo Anthony or Mike Woodson. According to Johnson, a dominant performance from Deron Williams halted the craze that swept the nation.

  • [New York Daily News] Melo gets triple-double as Knicks bomb Celtics (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:43:42 GMT)
    Maybe the Knicks will be a dangerous playoff opponent. If they shoot like they did against the Celtics Tuesday you can be sure of it. The more the Knicks shot, the more they made. And made. And made.

  • [New York Daily News] Lupica: Despite threes, it’s all on Melo in May (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:56:45 GMT)
    The main event, even with Steve Novak shooting the way he did and J.R. Smith shooting the way he did, was Carmelo Anthony playing the best game of basketball he has played since becoming a Knick.

  • [New York Daily News] Woodson mustALL get stars to align  (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:43:34 GMT)
    Once Amare Stoudemire returns from his back injury, perhaps Friday night in Cleveland, hes not going to be coming in off the bench for Mike Woodson.

  • [New York Daily News] Back-up role may be best fit for Amar’e (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:00:57 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire’s return no longer seems to be a question of if but rather when and how. The Knicks are cautiously optimistic that Stoudemire could play as early as Friday in Cleveland.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Takes a Look at Jersey Sponsorship (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:37:19 GMT)
    The recent presentation to the N.B.A.’s board of governors suggested that the league might become the first of the four more established major leagues in the United States to allow its players to wear advertising.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Give Lakers Taste of Their Own Medicine (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:23:14 GMT)
    San Antonio made amends for last week’s stinging home loss to Los Angeles by trouncing the Lakers 112-91 on their home court on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Rout Lakers, Improve Spot Atop West (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:13:59 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 29 points and 13 assists, Tim Duncan had 19 points and eight rebounds, and the San Antonio Spurs handed the Los Angeles Lakers their worst loss of the season, 112-91 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Anthony Has Triple-Double, Knicks Rout Celtics (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 03:13:56 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony had 35 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists for his second career triple-double, and the New York Knicks made 19 3-pointers to keep alive their Atlantic Division title hopes with a 118-110 victory over the Boston Celtics on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Gay, Grizzlies Recover to Top Timberwolves 91-84 (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:44:09 GMT)
    Rudy Gay had 28 points and nine rebounds to help the Memphis Grizzlies withstand a weak start to the fourth quarter and beat the Minnesota Timberwolves for the eighth straight time, 91-84 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Embarrass Cavaliers 116-77 (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:11:27 GMT)
    Brandon Knight had 28 points and seven assists, and the Detroit Pistons routed the Cleveland Cavaliers 116-77 on Tuesday night in one of the NBA’s most lopsided games of the season.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Beat 76ers 102-97 for 6th Straight Victory (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:49:54 GMT)
    Danny Granger scored 24 points, and Roy Hibbert had 15 points and 13 rebounds to lead the Indiana Pacers to their sixth straight win, 102-97 over the Philadelphia 76ers on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Celtics’ Allen Out, Amare May Return Friday for NY (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:20:05 GMT)
    Ray Allen’s injured right ankle kept him out of the Boston Celtics’ lineup Tuesday against the New York Knicks, who could get Amare Stoudemire back on Friday.

  • [New York Times] Nets Putting New Jersey Behind Them (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:56:41 GMT)
    The Nets are playing their final home games before moving to Brooklyn, where they hope their fortunes (and fan base) will improve.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Opening Tip: Should STAT start? (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:00:51 EDT)
    Every weekday throughout the season, ESPNNewYork.com will tackle a burning question about the Knicks in our “Opening Tip” segment.
    Today’s Burning Question: If you were interim coach Mike Woodson, would you start Amare Stoudemire or have him come off the bench?
    Jared Zwerling says you have to start Stoudemire. Ian Begley says you have to bring him off the bench. Here are their arguments:
    BEGLEY: OFF THE BENCH
    If you look at Amare Stoudemire’s resume and his contract, the idea of bringing him off the bench sounds ludicrous.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Woody on STAT: He will start (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:41:24 EDT)
    Some people may want to see Amare Stoudemire come off the bench when he returns from a back injury, possibly as early as Friday.
    Mike Woodson isn’t one of them.
    “Absolutely, he will start,” Woodson said of Stoudemire.
    Woodson recognizes that Stoudemire doesn’t have great numbers playing with Anthony, but he said it’s on him to “make it work.”
    The rationale for bringing Stoudemire off the bench is two-fold. Statistically, Stoudemire has struggled while sharing the floor with Anthony.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] The 'Odd Couple' combines for 15 treys (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:21:18 EDT)
    One is a Midwestern white guy who is outgoing and has no tattoos. The other is a laid-back black dude from inner-city New Jersey who has plenty of tattoos.
    While they are complete opposites in person, they share a bond from the practice court to NBA arenas. For Steve Novak and J.R. Smith, they’re all about the 3-point shot — the shot that completely derailed the Celtics Tuesday night at Madison Square Garden.
    “They put on a shooting clinic,” Tyson Chandler said.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Carmelo triple-double fuels Knicks (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:58:37 EDT)

    Debby Wong/US PresswireIn one respect, interim coach Mike Woodson is just like any other Knicks fan these days: he’s having a good time watching Carmelo Anthony play basketball.
    Woodson had a front-row seat on Tuesday for another dominant performance from Anthony. He had 35 points, 12 rebounds and 10 assists (all team-highs) to lead the Knicks to a critical 118-110 win over the Atlantic Division-leading Celtics.
    “It’s kind of nice to watch,” Woodson said.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Baron under the weather, tweaks hammy (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:24:48 EDT)
    Baron Davis had a tough night on Tuesday.
    He had to get an IV before the Knicks game against the Celtics because of a stomach bug. Then he hurt his left hamstring in the third quarter.
    “I tweaked it a little bit,” said Davis, who missed two games in March due to an injury to the same hamstring.
    He played just 18 minutes in the Knicks’ 118-110 win over Boston but said that he’d be able to play Wednesday against New Jersey.
    Davis, 33, has been the Knicks’ starter at point guard in Jeremy Lin’s absence.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks' 19 three-pointers bury Celtics (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 00:45:51 EDT)
    Carmelo Anthony continued his dominant play, registering his first triple-double as a Knick, but he also got the help he needed from his teammates to beat a quality playoff team Tuesday night.

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ 3 party silences Celtics (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 04:16:36 -0500)
    Boston’s attempt to clinch the Atlantic Division crown in the Knicks’ house Tuesday night came crashing down under a hail of 3-pointers and a rare offensive explosion by Mike Woodson’s Knicks.
    A triple tag-team of Carmelo Anthony and reserves J.R. Smith and Steve Novak buried the Celtics…

  • [New York Post] Bench bombers not afraid of the big shots (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:43:04 -0500)
    Here’s the thing to remember about J.R. Smith: Whenever you think he’s as cold as Buffalo in January â?¦ well, he knows that. Whenever you wonder if he’s ever going to make another shot â?? or if he’s ever going to take another good shot â?? he’s…

  • [New York Post] Anthony stepping up at right time (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:49:39 -0500)
    J.R. Smith sensed a different vibe from Carmelo Anthony yesterday morning, hours before the Knicks would dominate the Celtics 118-110 last night at the Garden.
    “Before the game you could tell by his demeanor,” said Smith, who knows Anthony about as well as anyone on the Knicks, having played…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Amar’e aims to return vs. Cavaliers (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:07:46 -0500)
    Amar’e Stoudemire is sporting new cornrows, perhaps signifying a new beginning for the Knicks forward commencing Friday in Cleveland.
    Interim coach Mike Woodson confirmed the Post’s report on Tuesday that Stoudemire is eyeing his return for Friday in Cleveland. That would give him four games to shake the…

  • [New York Post] Knicks center Chandler likely to make Team USA (Wed, 18 Apr 2012 02:07:46 -0500)
    With the announcement five days ago LaMarcus Aldridge will undergo season-ending hip injury, Knicks center Tyson Chandler has become a favorite to make the U.S. Olympic team, according to a person familiar with the situation.
    Chandler was named as one of the 20 finalists for the Olympic Team named…

  • 75 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Apr 18 2012)

    1. Nick C.

      To change the topic (I hope) from the wish I had my fifteen minutes back post-game banter, what’s up with Amare’s return getting pushed back every other day. Last week I believe the talk was the Nets game as I seem to recall people commenting he should come back for Boston or Miami.

    2. rohank

      I really like the camraderie of this team. Reading about Novak/Smith was cool.

      Also, remember when Mike D refused to have Novak on the floor to close out games even though he’s the best 3 point shooter in the league? Well Mike W had him out there!

    3. Brian Cronin

      It is good to hear that this is the most fun Smith has had in his NBA career. It would be awfully nice to have him pick up that $2.5 million option.

    4. johnlocke

      Avery bringing up Deron bringing an end to Linsanity? They really want to get blown out tonight I guess

    5. JLam

      The team needs Amare and Lin back.
      Melo and hot 3 point shooting from Novak/Smith are not going to get us to NBA finals

    6. Brian Cronin

      Avery bringing up Deron bringing an end to Linsanity? They really want to get blown out tonight I guess

      How silly is that? it’d be one thing if Lin were playing, then it could be an attempt to psyche Lin out. But he isn’t even playing! It’s like if Kris Humphries started talking shit about Amar’e. “I own Amar’e!” What would be the point?

    7. JLam

      IMO the best the Knicks looked all season is the stretch after Woodson took over when we blew out the opposition by double digits, especially the time when we beat the Pacers back to back.

    8. Brian Cronin

      IMO the best the Knicks looked all season is the stretch after Woodson took over when we blew out the opposition by double digits, especially the time when we beat the Pacers back to back.

      I’d agree with that.

    9. Zach Horst

      Does anyone else think the game last night was pretty heavily one-sided by the refs? I mean, Paul Pierce had 18 FT attempts. The Knicks AS A TEAM had 17. Celtics had 34 total. Something is wrong there. There were a few possessions when Carmelo was getting battered in the paint and they didn’t call it. On the other side, they were calling hand checks.

    10. Garson

      I know people are saying last night was “fools gold” However in a 7 game series, you can have a game like last nights and steal 1 or 2 games… especially vs the heat whos achillies heal is 3 point shooting.

      A small lineup of Shump, Smith Novak , Melo and Amare/Chandler is a tough lineup to guard when they are swinging the ball around after the double team of Melo.

    11. jon abbey

      Zach Horst:
      Does anyone else think the game last night was pretty heavily one-sided by the refs? I mean, Paul Pierce had 18 FT attempts. The Knicks AS A TEAM had 17. Celtics had 34 total. Something is wrong there. There were a few possessions when Carmelo was getting battered in the paint and they didn’t call it. On the other side, they were calling hand checks.

      it was awfully officiated both ways, but we were really getting screwed in the third quarter. thankfully it didn’t matter.

    12. Doug

      Zach Horst:
      Does anyone else think the game last night was pretty heavily one-sided by the refs? I mean, Paul Pierce had 18 FT attempts. The Knicks AS A TEAM had 17. Celtics had 34 total. Something is wrong there. There were a few possessions when Carmelo was getting battered in the paint and they didn’t call it. On the other side, they were calling hand checks.

      I don’t think Pierce’s whistle one-sided, I’m convinced it was one-sided. Also, the refs called a slugfest the first half and a pillow fight the second half. Ridiculous.

    13. thenamestsam

      Zach Horst:
      Does anyone else think the game last night was pretty heavily one-sided by the refs? I mean, Paul Pierce had 18 FT attempts. The Knicks AS A TEAM had 17. Celtics had 34 total. Something is wrong there. There were a few possessions when Carmelo was getting battered in the paint and they didn’t call it. On the other side, they were calling hand checks.

      Personally I think the style this team plays SHOULD lead to big free throw disparities against us. We foul constantly on defense. It’s actually a good strategy most of the time because refs are hesitant to call a foul on every possession. Shumpert, for example, does things that are at times called fouls in the NBA on almost every possession. I love the physical defense we’ve been playing recently, but conceding a lot of fouls is a natural product of that.

      On top of that we’re currently mostly a jump shooting team on offense when both Lin and Amare are out. Chandler and Melo get to the rim, but everyone else shoots mostly jumpers, and that was amplified in a big way last night with Novak and JR hoisting ~10 3s apiece.

      The game was badly reffed, but it went both ways for the most part and the ft disparity is more of a style issue than a ref one. It was telling to me that in the recap section whining about the refs there weren’t really any specific calls to pick on. Could the foul on Stiemsma have been a flagrant? Some refs would have called it, but it certainly wasn’t cut and dry. Good hard playoff foul for my money. Was Stiemsma on Tyson a foul? That one probably was, but it was no more of a “missed call” than there are on 5-10% of all NBA possessions.

    14. Zach Horst

      thenamestsam: Personally I think the style this team plays SHOULD lead to big free throw disparities against us. We foul constantly on defense. It’s actually a good strategy most of the time because refs are hesitant to call a foul on every possession. Shumpert, for example, does things that are at times called fouls in the NBA on almost every possession. I love the physical defense we’ve been playing recently, but conceding a lot of fouls is a natural product of that.

      Yeah, I agree. I usually don’t complain about fouls but I just thought there was a stretch during the third quarter where it was quite obviously one-sided. The foul calls Pierce gets are mostly on head fakes and ticky-tacky contact.

    15. TelegraphedPass

      ESPN subtitle this morning reads: “If Dirk Nowitzki can carry Tyson Chandler & Co. to a title in Dallas, why can’t Carmelo Anthony do the same in New York?”

      So much lolwut

    16. massive

      Melo’s WS/48 is up to .160 at this point in time. What are the chances he gets it up to .175?

    17. Brian Cronin

      Melo’s WS/48 is up to .160 at this point in time. What are the chances he gets it up to .175?

      I’m sure it’ll go up, but there’s only a handful of games left, so .175 will be tough.

    18. ABG

      thenamestsam: Personally I think the style this team plays SHOULD lead to big free throw disparities against us. We foul constantly on defense. It’s actually a good strategy most of the time because refs are hesitant to call a foul on every possession. Shumpert, for example, does things that are at times called fouls in the NBA on almost every possession. I love the physical defense we’ve been playing recently, but conceding a lot of fouls is a natural product of that.

      On top of that we’re currently mostly a jump shooting team on offense when both Lin and Amare are out. Chandler and Melo get to the rim, but everyone else shoots mostly jumpers, and that was amplified in a big way last night with Novak and JR hoisting ~10 3s apiece.

      The game was badly reffed, but it went both ways for the most part and the ft disparity is more of a style issue than a ref one. It was telling to me that in the recap section whining about the refs there weren’t really any specific calls to pick on. Could the foul on Stiemsma have been a flagrant? Some refs would have called it, but it certainly wasn’t cut and dry. Good hard playoff foul for my money. Was Stiemsma on Tyson a foul? That one probably was, but it was no more of a “missed call” than there are on 5-10% of all NBA possessions.

      I agree with this for the most part; however, I disagree that Melo is typically officiated on par with other players of his stature. I know he frequently gets to the line, but it does seem that guys get away with a lot when he goes to the basket.

    19. TelegraphedPass

      @18 On the other hand (no pun intended?), Melo gets away with using his off-hand to create space. Especially on his baseline drives. Most scorers are guilty of this to some degree, but Melo’s usage rate makes it look even more prevalent.

    20. massive

      Brian Cronin: I’m sure it’ll go up, but there’s only a handful of games left, so .175 will be tough.

      Two, games ago it was .149 if I remember correctly. But then again, a 42 point game and a 35 point triple double got him to .160. And if you figure that we blow out New Jersey, Charlotte, and Cleveland, that only gives him the Clippers and the Hawks to really boost that WS/48.

    21. massive

      Kentucky’s entire starting 5 has declared for the draft, and they’re all expected to go in the 1st round.

    22. Brian Cronin

      Kentucky’s entire starting 5 has declared for the draft, and they’re all expected to go in the 1st round.

      Yeah, when I saw that, I was taken aback. I mean, it is not that I didn’t expect it, but still…dayum. Then again, they’re bringing in the top freshman recruit in all of college basketball, so I wouldn’t be shocked if they were still a good team next season.

    23. thenamestsam

      TelegraphedPass:
      @18 On the other hand (no pun intended?), Melo gets away with using his off-hand to create space. Especially on his baseline drives. Most scorers are guilty of this to some degree, but Melo’s usage rate makes it look even more prevalent.

      Yeah this is what I was going to say too. Compared to other wing scorers Melo is maybe the strongest guy out there (non-Lebron category) but not quite as quick as some others. There is always going to be a lot of contact on Melo’s drives because he is usually bowling past (and through) people rather than using quickness to get around them and create separation. The result is that while there is a lot of contact going both ways it tends to be a lot of continual contact with very little bumping and the bumps are what get called as fouls. Again I think this has more to do with the style of play than with ref bias or anything like that.

    24. gjknick

      Was thinking the same thing about Melo’s bull rushes to the hoop. Very physical, lots of contact.

    25. tastycakes

      Who has the tiebreaker if the Knicks finish tied in the standings with the Celtics? Season series is 2-2. I realize this is a way implausible situation, but the C’s do play ORL, ATL, MIA, and MIL, all of whom at least have something to play for.

    26. JC Knickfan

      Boston has tiebreaker right now. We basically need to go 5-0 and they go 0-4 for Knicks to win division.

    27. d-mar

      Woodson has a big tme challenge ahead when Amare comes back. The offense is running very efficiently through Melo right now, and it isn’t just ISO ball, because when he gets doubled he’s finding open men. Forcing other teams to double opens up all sorts of opportunities, and if we start feeding Amare for ISO’s, we lose that. Not sure what his role will be in the offense when he comes back, will be interesting to see.

    28. jon abbey

      d-mar:
      Woodson has a big tme challenge ahead when Amare comes back. The offense is running very efficiently through Melo right now, and it isn’t just ISO ball, because when he gets doubled he’s finding open men. Forcing other teams to double opens up all sorts of opportunities, and if we start feeding Amare for ISO’s, we lose that. Not sure what his role will be in the offense when he comes back, will be interesting to see.

      I think this is being overstated (not just by you). if Amare replaces Fields, they can run a similar offense and the surrounding four players will be more dangerous. it is dangerous to try to work a big piece into chemistry that’s going well this close to the playoffs, but we need a solid Amare to compete against Miami or Chicago in the playoffs.

    29. Frank

      thenamestsam: Yeah this is what I was going to say too. Compared to other wing scorers Melo is maybe the strongest guy out there (non-Lebron category) but not quite as quick as some others. There is always going to be a lot of contact on Melo’s drives because he is usually bowling past (and through) people rather than using quickness to get around them and create separation. The result is that while there is a lot of contact going both ways it tends to be a lot of continual contact with very little bumping and the bumps are what get called as fouls. Again I think this has more to do with the style of play than with ref bias or anything like that.

      Actually, the thing I’m most impressed with is how quick Melo’s first step is. If you watch the games from the last 2 weeks, he gets by his man on that first step pretty much without fail. He blew by LBJ, who I consider maybe the finest perimeter defender in the league, with no problem at all.

      ANd Melo doesn’t push off any more than everyone else. Freaking Paul Pierce hooks every single time and never gets called for it.

    30. JC Knickfan

      Amare and Melo had several good offensive game together last season. Now that Melo playing defense and Amare is attempting to, I don’t see him coming back affect chemistry too much.
      We have no PG so Knicks are force use Melo to orchestrate offense.
      If Amare can’t find his game, Woodson need sub early for him.
      Amare also never really been post up player. He like to face basket and usually foul line in and drive to basket. Someone needs to get ball to him or run a PNR with him. Ask you can Melo run a few PNR with Amare to see help get him going.
      BD has good chemistry with Amare, but I think his heart stop beating last game. Woodson keeping his min to under 25 and he still can’t keep body in one piece.
      One good about Amare, I really haven’t seen him complain about being second fiddle.

    31. JLam

      I like Melo playing the 4 position. He can muscle his way to the rim from the post up position. When he was on the wing as a SF earlier this season he wasnt as effective scoring.

    32. JC Knickfan

      Bulls are going put Luol Deng on Melo even if play 4 position. Fields was getting cross matchup with Noah on him. Miami going put Shane Battier on Melo. Where not going to get PF guarding Melo in first round playoff anyways. Given that both team rebound better, the gap even bigger with our small ball lineup.

    33. TelegraphedPass

      JLam: I like Melo playing the 4 position. He can muscle his way to the rim from the post up position. When he was on the wing as a SF earlier this season he wasnt as effective scoring.

      As many people have said already, and ruru has beaten possibly past death, Melo had no issue scoring from the SF position for his entire career in Denver. He said himself that the other teams are guarding him with their 3s anyways. The difference is his health, not what position he’s taking on the floor.

    34. Shad0wF0x

      It all depends on how Amar’e comes back. What I ask of him is to hit his open mid-range jumper and box out and rebound (yeah I know about the latter). Arguably he can’t be worse than what Fields has devolved to offensively this season. He’s probably better than Landry from the perimeter at this point. The main problem with Amar’es offense is that it really is point guard dependent. He’s so much better when he’s in motion as he gets the ball.

    35. TelegraphedPass

      I hate to pile on Landry, but this is getting absurd. Teams feel fully comfortable guarding him with their PFs and Cs now and he isn’t able to capitalize on that mismatch?

    36. Nick C.

      JLam: I like Melo playing the 4 position. He can muscle his way to the rim from the post up position. When he was on the wing as a SF earlier this season he wasnt as effective scoring.

      Kinda but using the eye test he seems to be draining a much higher percentage of jumpers whereas he was bricking them before, due in part to wrist and other injuries no doubt.

    37. JC Knickfan

      I really like Landry as person too, but he really dead water right now. I’ve not watch his college play, but that shot is so horrendous, it seem unheard for Shooting Guard to have that kind form.

    38. Frank

      I know Melo’s playing the 4, but it sure seems like teams are still using their 3 to cover him. We didn’t see Bass on him at all last night. We didn’t see Haslem guarding him on Sunday. Indy had either Granger or George on him the whole time. The mismatch, like TelegraphedPass said, is with Landry — and he can’t make them pay.

    39. JC Knickfan

      I reviewing some Fields scouting reports. I don’t remember his shot being so flat last year. This team change so much last year is like distant memory. Anyways, here one scouting report. If going stay in this league, he need fix that shot.

      Compares To: RICKY DAVIS, ex NBA — Fields is effective from the perimeter and knows how to draw contact on the way to the basket. He needs to improve his overall strength and is a bit wiry. He is built like a shooting guard, but lacks the athleticism and quickness to play that position in the NBA. He might be a better fit at point forward, but needs to improve lateral agility and court quickness, as he’s a step slow as a defender. He has a nice jumper and can connect from three-point range, but with his lack of speed and power, he looks like a candidate for the developmental league or a bench role for a year or two.

    40. ghost of Darko

      @ #29 jon abbey: the challenge of replacing Fields w/Amare is spacing. Fields basically parks outside the 3-pt line & waits for plays to be made for him. The offense has to be adjusted to account for Amare & his defender both being closer to the paint.

    41. JLam

      Ruru follow Melo when he was a faster, leaner SF in Denver.
      He plays very well with his back towards the rim.
      Has a fast first step and seems to have enough bulk to play PF.
      Plus he’s getting his own rebounds and creating passing opportunities from the low post position.
      When was the last time he had a triple double?

    42. Z-man

      I’d rather have Flo Allen (Ray’s mom) shooting 3-pointers than Fields right now. If Amare can be a “poor man’s Garnett” right now, I’ll take it. Thing is, he wasn’t really sticking that 15 to 20-footer at any poin this year like he was last year. I can’t imagine that his legs/back will let him attack the rim successfully; early in the year he either got rejected or called for a charge way too often.

      So, I’d recommend keeping Amare on the weak side perimeter from Melo until we have our seed locked up, and I think he’ll be OK with that. The biggest concern will be whether he can get back on transition D, something that Fields is pretty good at.

    43. TelegraphedPass

      JLam: Ruru follow Melo when he was a faster, leaner SF in Denver.He plays very well with his back towards the rim.Has a fast first step and seems to have enough bulk to play PF.Plus he’s getting his own rebounds and creating passing opportunities from the low post position.When was the last time he had a triple double?

      He was in the top 5 in assist percentage among qualified small forwards before shifting to the four. It’s not like he wasn’t passing before.

      He came into the league weighing 233 lbs. How much leaner are we talking?

      Melo pulled down boards at a higher rate in ’06-’07 and ’08-’09 in Denver than he has this season.

      Melo is a small forward. He’s just healthier now.

    44. TelegraphedPass

      @44 His biggest problem before was all the iso plays. STAT has been god-awful in isolation this year, yet it made up a higher percentage of his plays than anything else!

      Part of that was most definitely due to the terrible PG situation early in the year. STAT needs to get the ball on the move to be effective. He’s been +50% FG% off the PnR this year even with all his struggles, with a near 1 pt PPP. Hopefully the starting line-up can continue to get him those looks.

    45. DRed

      Is there any way to see how many offensive possessions Melo has had with the ball in the post pre and post D’Antoni?

    46. d-mar

      The more I look at our remaining schedule and the Magic’s, I don’t think it’s completely far fetched that we catch them for the 6th seed. It does require us winning our last 5, but I don’t think that’s out of the question. Biggest challenge will be Atlanta away and Clippers at home, but I think those are highly winnable the way we are playing right now. Meanwhile, Orlando plays @Boston, @Utah, @Denver, Charlotte, @Memphis, so 1-4 is more than possible. The only monkey wrench might be the last game of the season @Memphis, the Grizz may have nothing to play for if they’re locked into the 5th spot in the West.

    47. JLam

      Celtic are going easy on the next game against the Magic.
      Magic getting the 5th seed would be ideal for the Celtics
      Everyone knows the Magic is hurting and wants to play them first round.

    48. ghost of Darko

      JLam:

      When was the last time he had a triple double?

      last nite’s was Melo’s 2nd career triple double. the other was in Feb ’07.

    49. ruruland

      Frank: Actually, the thing I’m most impressed with is how quick Melo’s first step is.If you watch the games from the last 2 weeks, he gets by his man on that first step pretty much without fail. He blew by LBJ, who I consider maybe the finest perimeter defender in the league, with no problem at all.

      ANd Melo doesn’t push off any more than everyone else. Freaking Paul Pierce hooks every single time and never gets called for it.

      elite first step and elite second bounce. Fratello talked about last niht, just as he has many broadcasts going back years. Melo is not the highest jumper, nor is he the fastest in a straight line or quickest lateral, but he’s a really underrated athlete. Combined with his size and power, it’s virtually impossible to physically match-up with him.. Way too fast for guys his size, way too strong for quicker 3s. But they key is his ability to get the job done at the rim without a 44 inch vertical.

    50. ruruland

      TelegraphedPass:
      @44 His biggest problem before was all the iso plays. STAT has been god-awful in isolation this year, yet it made up a higher percentage of his plays than anything else!

      Part of that was most definitely due to the terrible PG situation early in the year. STAT needs to get the ball on the move to be effective. He’s been +50% FG% off the PnR this year even with all his struggles, with a near 1 pt PPP. Hopefully the starting line-up can continue to get him those looks.

      His ISO, in the form of non-assisted makes, was significantly improved as he returned to his proper weight. I had a lengthy post yeterday detailing the numbers.

    51. ruruland

      TelegraphedPass: He was in the top 5 in assist percentage among qualified small forwards before shifting to the four. It’s not like he wasn’t passing before.

      He came into the league weighing 233 lbs. How much leaner are we talking?

      Melo pulled down boards at a higher rate in ’06-’07 and ’08-’09 in Denver than he has this season.

      Melo is a small forward. He’s just healthier now.

      I wouldn’t buy the weight listings. He was much smaller as a rookie, and played a much quicker, perimeter oriented game, more like a 2 guard. He put on 20 pounds of bad weight his sophomore year, which set him back quite a bit…He lost the weight, but he became a great worker with Hess and the PT guy in Denver.

      He’s not a winner of the genetic powerball like Lebron — ripped–but he’s really well built lower and upper— and he has that old man kind of inner strength to go with it.

      He’s much stronger and bigger than Paul Pierce, for example, and Pierce isn’t small.

    52. Brian Cronin

      Whatever. The point is that it is not at all clear that the Melo trade was a bad trade at this point

      Sure. I wouldn’t argue that at all. Heck, if Melo keeps playing like this the trade is clearly a great trade. I’m only disputing the trade as being Melo and Chandler, that’s all.

    53. ruruland

      ghost of Darko:
      @ #29 jon abbey: the challenge of replacing Fields w/Amare is spacing. Fields basically parks outside the 3-pt line & waits for plays to be made for him. The offense has to be adjusted to account for Amare & his defender both being closer to the paint.

      His defender, typically a 4 or 5 (because they won’t let one guard Amar’e) actually gives Fields plenty of space out there.

      I thought Melo playing the 4 would be a great opportunity for fields to get going, but alas…. You did see that blow-by on Bass.

      The Knicks spacing could actually improve with Amar’e if his mid-range is on point.

      The Knicks best spacing is: Chandler, Melo, Novak, Smith, Shumpert– that’s probably their best lineup, too.

      Melo’s been guarded by one 4 man the entire time he’s played the position– David West.

      JVG talked about the confusion in retreat in the corss-match, but I think it’s way overstated. Melo hasn’t done much in transition this year at all.

    54. thenamestsam

      Frank: Actually, the thing I’m most impressed with is how quick Melo’s first step is.If you watch the games from the last 2 weeks, he gets by his man on that first step pretty much without fail. He blew by LBJ, who I consider maybe the finest perimeter defender in the league, with no problem at all.

      ANd Melo doesn’t push off any more than everyone else. Freaking Paul Pierce hooks every single time and never gets called for it.

      I don’t think he was blowing by Lebron. Lebron was forcing him to help that wasn’t there because of miscommunications, see the below article for further discussion;

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/24162/the-difference-in-miamis-4th-quarter-melo-defense

      When Lebron guarded him straight up Melo mostly settled for jumpers. That said I agree his first step is amazing. I guess the way I see it is that his first step is great (this is as much about being a smart and wily offensive player who keeps his man off-balance as it is about quickness), but his overall quickness isn’t great. Thus he often gets by his man, but when he does it’s not like he blows by him to the hoop. His man frequently maintains contact with him, just not between him and the hoop (often riding his hip). This maintained contact doesn’t lead to as many foul calls as the ability to create distinct separation and then get bumped. That’s just how the game is reffed.

    55. Brian Cronin

      Coach they would “most” like to play for:
      Doc Rivers (22% of the vote)
      Mike D’Antoni (21%)
      Gregg Popovich (16%)

      Coach they would “least” like to play for:
      Stan Van Gundy (22%)
      Scott Skiles (14%)
      Byron Scott (9%)

      D’Antoni’s agent must love seeing that list.

    56. Brian Cronin

      Celtics almost traded Ray Allen & Paul Pierce at trade deadline:

      Didn’t they reveal that awhile back? That New Jersey had their choice between Pierce and Wallace and they chose Wallace because he was a lot younger (which is an insane choice if true)? The Ray Allen thing is news, though. And that makes a heck of a lot more sense, as Allen has been demoted to a supporting role on the Celtics now.

    57. JLam

      ruruland: His defender, typically a 4 or 5 (because they won’t let one guard Amar’e) actually gives Fields plenty of space out there.

      I thought Melo playing the 4 would be a great opportunity for fields to get going, but alas…. You did see that blow-by on Bass.

      The Knicks spacing could actually improve with Amar’e if his mid-range is on point.

      The Knicks best spacing is: Chandler, Melo, Novak, Smith, Shumpert– that’s probably their best lineup, too.

      Melo’s been guarded by one 4 man the entire time he’s played the position– David West.

      JVG talked about the confusion in retreat in the corss-match, but I think it’s way overstated. Melo hasn’t done much in transition this year at all.

      How do you propose Stats come back to the starting lineup without affecting Melo productivity at the 4 position?

    58. ruruland

      thenamestsam: I don’t think he was blowing by Lebron. Lebron was forcing him to help that wasn’t there because of miscommunications, see the below article for further discussion;

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/24162/the-difference-in-miamis-4th-quarter-melo-defense

      When Lebron guarded him straight up Melo mostly settled for jumpers. That said I agree his first step is amazing. I guess the way I see it is that his first step is great (this is as much about being a smart and wily offensive player who keeps his man off-balance as it is about quickness), but his overall quickness isn’t great. Thus he often gets by his man, but when he does it’s not like he blows by him to the hoop. His man frequently maintains contact with him, just not between him and the hoop (often riding his hip). This maintained contact doesn’t lead to as many foul calls as the ability to create distinct separation and then get bumped. That’s just how the game is reffed.

      Melo has blown by Lebron throughout his career. Take a look at the highlights of their previous match-ups. yes, Lebron was funneling him to help, but go back and look at all the trouble Lebron had staying in front of Melo 1-1 when Melo dropped 40 points on him (and the game-winner in his eye) in Cleveland. Lebron can’t guard Melo 1-1…. and that’s one way the Knicks would be able to have a match-up advantage….I wish I had the time to put together a video of sequence of Melo and Lebron guarding each other over the years, but Melo has had some sweet blow-bys on the guy…..

      it’s no secret that “insiders” have said that Lebron is a little intimidated going up against Melo– the one guy he just can;t handle historically (and maybe Pierce and…

    59. thenamestsam

      Brian Cronin: Sure. I wouldn’t argue that at all. Heck, if Melo keeps playing like this the trade is clearly a great trade. I’m only disputing the trade as being Melo and Chandler, that’s all.

      I realize that debating the merits of the trade is barely relevant at this point, but I wanted to add one thing to the debate. I think that this way of looking at the trade, comparing what we got for what we gave up, while standard, is incorrect. It ignores the opportunity cost of the trade entirely.

      What I mean is that when you trade for a superstar in the NBA you almost always come out the “winner” of the trade in my opinion. I know some on here don’t agree with this idea, but depth can be built in the NBA relatively quickly, especially once the main guys are in play. It’s not necessarily easy: As Miami has shown, if you pick the wrong supporting pieces it can be difficult to build depth, but you do have your pick of guys and if you choose wisely, you can build a deep and talented team around the main guys in 1-2 years.

      That doesn’t necessarily make every trade for a star a good one however because you can’t ignore the foregone opportunity. In my mind the question wasn’t ever whether the Knicks should trade for Melo or keep the guys they had for the next several years. The question was whether they should trade for Melo or use those assets to trade for someone else. We will never know exactly what other trades they might have been able to make, but we can have some ideas. Deron? Paul? Howard? Trying to answer the question of whether it was a good trade or not outside the context of those other opportunities is the wrong way to look at it in my mind.

    60. ruruland

      JLam: How do you propose Stats come back to the starting lineup without affecting Melo productivity at the 4 position?

      I don’t think it matters. To me, it wasn’t just the injuries affecting Melo, it was the mental and emotional trauma of a system and coaching staff that frowned upon what he did best. You could see that kind of hesistancy with Melo’s teammates when they fed him the ball — they did not embrace what he did, did not attempt to play off it, and their body-language and perhaps words discouraged it….

      I think that had a dramatic effect on Melo’s game….

      But if you’re worried about Melo and floor spacing, you should consider that he had a 90 game stretch of 575 TS (before he developed a 3pt shot) where he was surrounded by four non-shooters: Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, Kenyon martin and Ruben Patterson/Demarr Johnson/Greg Buckner.

      Amar’e is a great offensive player — now that Melo is right mentally and the team is built around him, Amar’e will be forced to start thinking about his potential opportunities when Melo has the ball — and I think they can actually make each other better.

    61. ruruland

      thenamestsam: I realize that debating the merits of the trade is barely relevant at this point, but I wanted to add one thing to the debate. I think that this way of looking at the trade, comparing what we got for what we gave up, while standard, is incorrect. It ignores the opportunity cost of the trade entirely.

      What I mean is that when you trade for a superstar in the NBA you almost always come out the “winner” of the trade in my opinion. I know some on here don’t agree with this idea, but depth can be built in the NBA relatively quickly, especially once the main guys are in play. It’s not necessarily easy: As Miami has shown, if you pick the wrong supporting pieces it can be difficult to build depth, but you do have your pick of guys and if you choose wisely, you can build a deep and talented team around the main guys in 1-2 years.

      That doesn’t necessarily make every trade for a star a good one however because you can’t ignore the foregone opportunity. In my mind the question wasn’t ever whether the Knicks should trade for Melo or keep the guys they had for the next several years. The question was whether they should trade for Melo or use those assets to trade for someone else.

      Yes, but there’s also an opportunity cost if they hadn’t pulled the trigger. Moreover, there is the time cost of business. The longer you wait, the less value you’re able to receive on whatever asset/investment you’re after.

      In other words, had the foregone the opportunity to trade for Melo and waited, not only would that be an opportunity cost, not only would they have to wait 1-2 years possibly, but there’d be team reconfiguration time you’d have to consider along with…

    62. thenamestsam

      ruruland: Melo has blown by Lebron throughout his career. Take a look at the highlights of their previous match-ups. yes, Lebron was funneling him to help, but go back andlook at all the trouble Lebron had staying in front of Melo 1-1 when Melo dropped 40 points on him (and the game-winner in his eye) in Cleveland. Lebron can’t guard Melo 1-1…. and that’s one way the Knicks would be able to have a match-up advantage….I wish I had the time to put together a video of sequence of Melo and Lebron guarding each other over the years, but Melo has had some sweet blow-bys on the guy…..

      it’s no secret that “insiders” have said that Lebron is a little intimidated going up against Melo– the one guy he just can;t handle historically (and maybe Pierce and…

      Just watched the full highlights of that game. I counted three lay-ups made by Melo on possessions where Lebron was guarding him. One of them was strongly contested by Lebron at the rim and Melo made a crazy lefty runner so I’d call two of them blow-bys. Not exactly fair to say that Lebron can’t stay in front of him based on what I saw in those highlights, although I’ll take your word for it that he has had trouble over the course of his career. When Melo is hot no one can guard him 1 on 1, and that includes Lebron, although Lebron will certainly give him more trouble than most. As for whether Lebron is intimidated by that, I have no way of knowing, but I would point out that the game you’re crowing about Lebron had a 43-15-13, so I’m not sure how much it’s affecting his performance.

    63. thenamestsam

      ruruland: Yes, but there’s also an opportunity cost if they hadn’t pulled the trigger. Moreover, there is the time cost of business. The longer you wait, the less value you’re able to receive on whatever asset/investment you’re after.

      In other words, had the foregone the opportunity to trade for Melo and waited, not only would that be an opportunity cost, not only would they have to wait 1-2 years possibly, but there’d be team reconfiguration time you’d have to consider along with…

      Sure, you’re right. I didn’t mean my comment to ultimately mean that the trade was a bad one, just that these are factors you have to consider when evaluating it. You’re right to point out that it’s even more complex than I made it sound, but ultimately you’re just agreeing with me, that evaluating whether a trade was a good one is a complex exercise that goes beyond “Is Carmelo better than the sum of the guys we gave up?”

    64. ruruland

      thenamestsam: Sure, you’re right. I didn’t mean my comment to ultimately mean that the trade was a bad one, just that these are factors you have to consider when evaluating it. You’re right to point out that it’s even more complex than I made it sound, but ultimately you’re just agreeing with me, that evaluating whether a trade was a good one is a complex exercise that goes beyond “Is Carmelo better than the sum of the guys we gave up?”

      Yeah, I don’t really disagree with you. Every scenario has its risks. Knicks fans have to like where they are now, even if things will be tight the next couple of years.

    65. daJudge

      I think it depends which Amare returns. If it is the stiff, balky, poor shooting, no D, bad rebounding Stat, he’s not going to help anyone. I am hoping that his stiffness was primarily a function of his disk injury and rehab over the summer. If the Stand Tall and Talented Amare returns, I don’t see a big adjustment problem (particularly with Woodson) so long as we still have stretch guys who hit a few shots. Also, the chance to have Stat at the 5 with Melo at the 4 will offer Chandler some rest.

      ruruland: I don’t think it matters. To me, it wasn’t just the injuries affecting Melo, it was the mental and emotional trauma of a system and coaching staff that frowned upon what he did best. You could see that kind of hesistancy with Melo’s teammates when they fed him the ball — they did not embrace what he did, did not attempt to play off it, and their body-language and perhaps words discouraged it….

      I think that had a dramatic effect on Melo’s game….

      But if you’re worried about Melo and floor spacing, you should consider that he had a 90 game stretch of 575 TS (before he developed a 3pt shot) where he was surrounded by four non-shooters: Andre Miller, Marcus Camby, Kenyon martin and Ruben Patterson/Demarr Johnson/Greg Buckner.

      Amar’e is a great offensive player — now that Melo is right mentally and the team is built around him, Amar’e will be forced to start thinking about his potential opportunities when Melo has the ball — and I think they can actually make each other better.

    66. ruruland

      thenamestsam: Just watched the full highlights of that game. I counted three lay-ups made by Melo on possessions where Lebron was guarding him. One of them was strongly contested by Lebron at the rim and Melo made a crazy lefty runner so I’d call two of them blow-bys. Not exactly fair to say that Lebron can’t stay in front of him based on what I saw in those highlights, although I’ll take your word for it that he has had trouble over the course of his career. When Melo is hot no one can guard him 1 on 1, and that includes Lebron, although Lebron will certainly give him more trouble than most. As for whether Lebron is intimidated by that, I have no way of knowing, but I would point out that the game you’re crowing about Lebron had a 43-15-13, so I’m not sure how much it’s affecting his performance.

      Well, yeah, Lebron is Lebron. And let’s remember, most times they meet someone else is guarding each guy most of the guy. What was so great about that game was that they were up against each other in the 4th and OT, defending each other– going back and forth 1-1 making shots. Lebron got an amazing whistle that game when Melo was guarding him, while Melo got fouled hard a few times without a stop in play. Melo got the last laugh….

      But yeah, 3 blow bys out of maybe 10-12 1-1 possessions is a lot. youtube doesn’t have the clips of when they meet in the past, but i’d say that ratio has stayed consistent throughout. Melo always seems to have another extra gear physically when he wans it– and he almost always has it against Lebron.

    67. ruruland

      daJudge:
      I think it depends which Amare returns.If it is the stiff, balky, poor shooting, no D, bad rebounding Stat, he’s not going to help anyone.I am hoping that his stiffness was primarily a function of his disk injury and rehab over the summer.If the Stand Tall and Talented Amare returns, I don’t see a big adjustment problem (particularly with Woodson) so long as we still have stretch guys who hit a few shots.Also, the chance to have Stat at the 5 with Melo at the 4 will offer Chandler some rest.

      He was playing great pre-injury.. You have to think that the bulging disc was sort of popping out for some time……maybe i’m wrong I don’t know.

    68. thenamestsam

      ruruland: Yeah, I don’t really disagree with you. Every scenario has its risks. Knicks fans have to like where they are now, even if things will be tight the next couple of years.

      You’re right that we’re in a pretty good place, and I think ultimately a lot of how the Melo trade will be viewed depends on factors outside the trade. If the Knicks can make a few smart moves in the next couple years, get a few good breaks and win a championship the trade will be viewed as a huge success. If they sign the wrong supporting pieces, misuse draft resources and end up being bounced in the 2nd round for 3 straight years a lot of people will wonder what might have been with Howard, Paul etc. Of course Melo will influence which of those roads comes to fruition, but only to an extent. If the trade is going to be viewed as a success he is going to need help from Amare, Lin, Grunwald etc.

      My point being that we can’t possibly know what happens in the alternate universe where we don’t get Melo, so we just have to try to find the good in the universe we are living in. Thankfully that’s pretty easy at the moment.

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