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Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Apr 04 2012)

  • [New York Times] Pacers 112, Knicks 104: Anthony’s 39 Points Wasted in Pacers’ 40-Point Fourth Quarter (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:10:07 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony was blistering for most of the night, going 17 for 31 from the field. But he missed two critical shots down the stretch as the Knicks wasted a 17-point second-half lead.

  • [New York Times] Recalling Indianapolis Pickup Games Worth the Wait (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:14:27 GMT)
    Decades ago, basketball players like George McGinnis, Mel Daniels and even Mike Woodson had next game at places like the Douglass Park Family Center gym in Indianapolis.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: James Helps Heat Clinch Playoff Berth (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:14:27 GMT)
    LeBron James scored a season-high 41 points to lead host Miami past the 76ers, who fell a game and a half behind Boston in the Atlantic Division.

  • [New York Times] James Leads Heat Into Playoffs, Spurs Crush Thunder (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:12:48 GMT)
    LeBron James delivered a season-high 41 points in the absence of injured sidekick Dwyane Wade as the Miami Heat clinched a playoff berth with their 99-93 victory over the visiting Philadelphia 76ers on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Lakers Blow Big Lead, Hold Off Nets 91-87 (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:09:17 GMT)
    Kobe Bryant scored 24 points and rattled home a 3-pointer with 6.8 seconds left, and the Los Angeles Lakers blew every bit of a 17-point lead before holding on for a 91-87 victory over the New Jersey Nets on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns Upend Kings 109-100 (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:57:15 GMT)
    Marcin Gortat had 20 points and 10 rebounds and Steve Nash added 18 points and 12 assists and the Phoenix Suns defeated the Sacramento Kings 109-100 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Top Warriors 98-94 for 3rd Straight Win (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 03:02:04 GMT)
    O.J. Mayo scored 19 points, Mike Conley added 18 and the Memphis Grizzlies overcame a lackluster performance with a fourth-quarter rally to defeat the Golden State Warriors 98-94 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] James Gets Season-High 41, Heat Beat 76ers 99-93 (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 03:31:26 GMT)
    LeBron James arrived at work a little earlier than usual on Tuesday, warming up more than three hours before tip-off with hopes of finding his rhythm.

  • [New York Times] Granger Leads Pacers Past Knicks (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:09:28 GMT)
    Danny Granger scored 14 of his 27 points in the fourth quarter, and the Indiana Pacers rallied from 17 points down in the second half to beat the New York Knicks 112-104 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Beat Short-Handed Magic 102-95 (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 02:18:46 GMT)
    Greg Monroe had 22 points and 11 rebounds, and the Detroit Pistons beat the depleted Orlando Magic 102-95 on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] Bargnani Leads Raptors Past Bobcats (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 01:51:45 GMT)
    Andrea Bargnani scored 30 points, DeMar DeRozan had 20 and the Toronto Raptors beat Charlotte 92-87 Tuesday night, snapping a six-game losing streak to the lowly Bobcats.

  • [New York Times] Spurs Storm Past Cavaliers 125-90 (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 01:34:18 GMT)
    Danny Green scored 19 points against a Cleveland team that released him last season, Tony Parker added 19 and the San Antonio Spurs coasted to their eighth straight win, 125-90 over the Cavaliers on Tuesday night.

  • [New York Times] The Closer: Stern’s Argument Lacking (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:07:15 GMT)
    The N.B.A. commissioner David Stern would like to expand the league’s age requirement, claiming it is a business decision, but the success of high school players harms his argument.

  • [New York Daily News] Woody hopes Amar’e returns soon (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:20:34 GMT)
    Mike Woodson is remaining optimistic that power forward Amar’e Stoudemire will return to the lineup this month sooner than later.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks come up a quarter short in Melo’s 39-point effort (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:52:11 GMT)
    The Knicks were laughing it up and celebrating, acting as if the game were over when in fact there were still 13 minutes to play. For three quarters, the Knicks were together. They played hard and were running the offense efficiently through Carmelo Anthony.

  • [New York Daily News] Jeremy sends thanks from Linfirmary (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:35:26 GMT)
    Jeremy Lin took to Twitter to thank the New York media for its coverage of the cultural phenomenon known as Linsanity.

  • [New York Daily News] Bird: Amar’e could face tough road back (Wed, 04 Apr 2012 04:27:31 GMT)
    Larry Bird knows a few things about basketball, including what happens when a big man can’t take the court because of a serious back injury.

  • 94 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Wednesday, Apr 04 2012)

    1. Cousyfan

      The only way I can maintain my sanity is to erase last night’s loss.
      Just like the loss to Boston at Boston a month or so ago, this loss was a coaching error, period! How can a team lose a 15-point lead in such a short time?
      I am reduced to waiting for STAT and Lin to come back.
      Cheers

    2. cgreene

      Someone from the recap thread was pondering the strange demise of TD. Not to pile on (anyone who has read my posts knows I was not an MDA fan particularly this year) but when you try and continuously fit a square peg in a round hole like MDA did with TD and make the guy play in a manner totally unsuitable to his skills then you really kill his confidence. I also think the shoulder and whatever personal issues he has are a factor. But think about if you were, say, a corporate attorney and you were great at contracts and business negotiations and finance. One day the partner walks in and says in 1 week you have to argue a case in front of a trial jury. It’s a high profile case and you are going to be in the public eye (like a ball player). You’d certainly practiced trial law in law school and had to do some arbitration now and then in your corporate role. So you try the case. You fail miserably. Your name is splattered all over the paper. The law firm could have decided to plea (a change in strategy) because it didn’t have the right trial lawyer to try the case and knew it. But instead of changing course now they keep rolling you out there for more trials and you keep getting hammered. You’d be a mess.

    3. JLam

      To say the Knicks is a streaky team is an understatement.
      Im out of here. I’ll be back when it counts, the playoffs, if there is going be any.

    4. d-mar

      cgreene: Someone from the recap thread was pondering the strange demise of TD. Not to pile on (anyone who has read my posts knows I was not an MDA fan particularly this year) but when you try and continuously fit a square peg in a round hole like MDA did with TD and make the guy play in a manner totally unsuitable to his skills then you really kill his confidence. I also think the shoulder and whatever personal issues he has are a factor. But think about if you were, say, a corporate attorney and you were great at contracts and business negotiations and finance. One day the partner walks in and says in 1 week you have to argue a case in front of a trial jury. It’s a high profile case and you are going to be in the public eye (like a ball player). You’d certainly practiced trial law in law school and had to do some arbitration now and then in your corporate role. So you try the case. You fail miserably. Your name is splattered all over the paper. The law firm could have decided to plea (a change in strategy) because it didn’t have the right trial lawyer to try the case and knew it. But instead of changing course now they keep rolling you out there for more trials and you keep getting hammered. You’d be a mess.

      I was SO hoping TD would make a comeback last night when I saw him in the game early, he does seem like a decent guy and a hard worker. But it’s one thing to just be average, and another to just plain suck and hurt your team. A couple of his “shot” attempts were just horrid (bricked layup, floater that barely caught iron) and he had a couple of dumb turnovers as well. So now we’re back to Weekend at Bibby’s and a starting PG who seems have his feet stuck in glue. Not good.

    5. thenamestsam

      I’m curious why everyone seems sure that Calipari coming here would be such a huge disaster. I think he has shown a lot of growth as a coach in recent years and I actually think he might actually be a good pro coach now. I was very impressed with the coaching job he did with UK this year. For such a young team they played with impressive poise and determination. They never looked flustered or nervous. Calipari deserves a lot of credit for that in my mind. They were also a pretty good Xs and Os team for the most part, again considering that he had the main pieces together for less than a year (Pruiti diagrammed a very nice play from the national championship game here: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/23025/how-kentucky-used-the-post-threat-of-anthony-davis).

      The big question with Calipari seems to be whether his personal style would make it possible to connect with NBA players. Most people seemed convinced that it wouldn’t but I’m curious why. He was a lot younger when he failed in the NBA the first time, and since then he has turned into the preeminent recruiter in college basketball (and it’s not close) and his teams (and especially his star players) all seem to like him a lot. Is there a specific reason people think this won’t translate to the NBA level?

    6. Juany8

      The worst part about Toney Douglas isn’t even his crappy defense or his terrible shooting, it’s that he somehow highjacks the offense worse than JR! He doesn’t seem to know how to pass when dribbling, can’t simply pull up for a mid range jumper off the dribble, and can’t make a floater to save his life but he does it anyways! I can live with bad overall players who play hard and make smart decisions, but TD actively hurts the team in very noticeable ways when he is out there. I truly don’t get what made him think he should get 6 shot attempts, I just don’t see how a rational human being does that when he has struggled all year. I’m sorry he seems like a nice guy and I’m sure he’s had problems, but Toney Douglas might just be too dumb to get any playing time. Even Bibby has to actually be attacked to hurt the team, TD actively gives the other team points.

    7. TelegraphedPass

      I’ve voiced my distaste for him already, but even I’m shocked at how poorly he’s played. How has he become such a poor shooter and defender in such a short time?

    8. New Guy

      cgreene I completely agree, and I think he’s a lost cause for this season. But give him a summer to get back to being the player he is and use him properly next year, and I think he’s salvageable.

    9. Nick C.

      TD seems to clearly not be a PG. Maybe he should do drills dribbling with a neck brace/collar to force him to keep his head up.

    10. JC Knickfan

      TD is a SG who more comfortable off the ball. He wasn’t even a combo guard like Lin in college who did lead team his in assists for 3 year in row. He short for a shooting guard and he no Ben Gordon. Unless Knicks let him play SG I’m positive in one summer he cannot developed NBA average PG skills.

    11. Z

      I guess all Fields needed was TD to get back in there. With someone else taking on the whipping boy role, Fields was able to concentrate on putting the fall in the basket.

    12. DRed

      TD is a terrible offensive player, Shump Shump is a terrible offensive player, Davis is a terrible offensive player and I’m not sure if Mike Bibby is even still alive. That’s a tough group to win with.

    13. TelegraphedPass

      Alright let’s be clear: He is a point guard. He lacks certain skills typically associated with PGs, but he’s not a 2. At his size, it is unrealistic to expect him to be a solid contributor for stretches at that position. These complaints weren’t being voiced last year when he was a threat from deep. He was brought aboard to play defense and shoot threes. He does neither consistently anymore, and that’s a more significant issue. Hopefully he gets that back; it’s more realistic than expecting him to learn a skillset he’s never had or play a position he cannot play.

    14. JLam

      Magic are playing poorly lately.
      Sixers and Magic are dropping like a rock in the standings.
      My bold prediction:
      Bucks and Knicks will push each other and make playoffs.
      Either the Sixers or Magic will miss out.

    15. New Guy

      TelegraphedPass:
      Alright let’s be clear: He is a point guard. He lacks certain skills typically associated with PGs, but he’s not a 2. At his size, it is unrealistic to expect him to be a solid contributor for stretches at that position.

      I respectfully disagree. He is the same size as Ben Gordan and Jason Terry, both of whom contribute as a shooting guard. He has maybe a 15% chance of developing into a lesser version of those two players if he plays in their position. I’d say he has a 0% chance of developing into a useful PG.

    16. Ben R

      I think the piling on of TD is a little unfair. He didn’t look great out there but he did play some solid defense, much much better than Bibby and it’s only his 2nd game back after a long absence. Also most of the Paces big run occured with him on the bench. Overall, though +/- is not a great stat, he was 2nd best on the team last night with a +4. I would give him a chance to get his legs fully underneath him before throwing him back under the bus.

    17. er

      That’s real bold lol

      JLam:
      Magic are playing poorly lately.
      Sixers and Magic are dropping like a rock in the standings.
      My bold prediction:
      Bucks and Knicks will push each other and make playoffs.
      Either the Sixers or Magic will miss out.

    18. TelegraphedPass

      New Guy: I respectfully disagree. He is the same size as Ben Gordan and Jason Terry, both of whom contribute as a shooting guard. He has maybe a 15% chance of developing into a lesser version of those two players if he plays in their position. I’d say he has a 0% chance of developing into a useful PG.

      Hmmm. I see your point. Ben Gordon was always a sick shooter and a 2 guard, and I think he’s a bit bigger than our guy. Jet has a great shot off the dribble as well. I’m not sure he can become what they are, but it’s possible. Good call.

    19. thenamestsam

      Ben R:
      I think the piling on of TD is a little unfair. He didn’t look great out there but he did play some solid defense, much much better than Bibby and it’s only his 2nd game back after a long absence. Also most of the Paces big run occured with him on the bench. Overall, though +/- is not a great stat, he was 2nd best on the team last night with a +4. I would give him a chance to get his legs fully underneath him before throwing him back under the bus.

      Agreed. TD had some wacky shot attempts, but he has only played about 40 minutes total since the beginning of February. It’s really hard to play that little and then start getting meaningful minutes and adjust to the speed of the game. He also wasn’t put in a great situation by Woodson. Playing a lot with Novak, Bibby, Harrelson etc. puts him in a situation where he has to create all the offense, because all those guys are basically spot up shooters. That’s a lot to ask at this moment in time. I’d try to match Baron up with those guys, since he wants to be the orchestrator of the offense anyway, and only use Toney when Melo is on the floor so Toney can act primarily as spot up shooter and creator against rotating defenses for the time being.

    20. DRed

      jon abbey: maybe you missed the few games before last night.

      Are you just trolling now? Or do you seriously believe Shump is great on offense now because he had 2 great games out of the last 5 he played and we’ll just go ahead and set the rest of his career aside?

    21. er

      Melo lose 10-15
      Amare be used less
      Jr better decision making
      Shump keep improving court awareness on O

      Doug:
      Things that need an offseason to fix:

      Landry’s shot

      Toney’s confidence

    22. max fisher-cohen

      cgreene: Someone from the recap thread was pondering the strange demise of TD. Not to pile on (anyone who has read my posts knows I was not an MDA fan particularly this year) but when you try and continuously fit a square peg in a round hole like MDA did with TD and make the guy play in a manner totally unsuitable to his skills then you really kill his confidence.

      I don’t buy this. Douglas played backup point throughout his first two years and looked quite effective when Billups got hurt last year. It was the most synergistic this team has ever looked with both Melo and Amar’e healthy. Lots of young guys who were SGs in college get forced in the NBA to adapt. See: Russell Westbrook and Stephen Curry. It’s not always a success story, but it’s a great opportunity for the player because it’s virtually impossible for a guy under 6’4″ to ever earn a starting job at the 2, but as a 1…

    23. jon abbey

      DRed: Are you just trolling now?Or do you seriously believe Shump is great on offense now because he had 2 great games out of the last 5 he played and we’ll just go ahead and set the rest of his career aside?

      there’s a lot of room between ‘great’ and ‘terrible’, which is what you said originally, I’d say about 90 percent of the NBA fits in there.

      and yes, I believe that a 21 year old’s prior record doesn’t mean his future is set in stone, and I see a helluva lot of upside there. I was saying this before his recent 25 point games, and those have only made me believe this more strongly.

    24. jon abbey

      yeah, I don’t buy that it’s Toney’s role that’s hurt him either. I almost hope his shoulder is still hurt, because honestly that’s the only thing that makes sense.

    25. TelegraphedPass

      jon abbey: yeah, I don’t buy that it’s Toney’s role that’s hurt him either. I almost hope his shoulder is still hurt, because honestly that’s the only thing that makes sense.

      @27 Not sure Melo’s weight is an issue that needs fixing. He’s played great defense and scored well recently, and there is no evidence that that would improve if he were lighter. It may actually make him a less effective post scorer.

      Why would you want Amar’e's role on offense to be reduced? He’s the surest scorer we have (skinny version) and one of the most dominant offensive big men of his generation.

    26. TelegraphedPass

      Absolutely no idea why it quoted jon abbey on that. I didn’t intend to. Sorry.

    27. jon abbey

      “Woodson also said he should have brought Landry Fields back and played him more last night.”

      NO SHIT, dude. at least he realized that the next day, it would have taken D’Antoni a month. when I’m asking for Fields to be brought in, it’s pretty clear that Fields needs to be brought in.

    28. massive

      DRed: Are you just trolling now?Or do you seriously believe Shump is great on offense now because he had 2 great games out of the last 5 he played and we’ll just go ahead and set the rest of his career aside?

      There’s a lot of room between great and terrible. A player doesn’t have to be great to not be terrible.

    29. TelegraphedPass

      Post-All Star Break (19 games) Shump is shooting 37% from the great beyond and posting a decent FG% of .437. His FT% has dipped to .667 which is disconcerting, but he’s been having more than just 2 good games.

    30. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      TelegraphedPass:
      Post-All Star Break (19 games) Shump is shooting 37% from the great beyond and posting a decent FG% of .437. His FT% has dipped to .667 which is disconcerting, but he’s been having more than just 2 good games.

      .437 is not a good FG% when you’re hitting 37% of 3PA. And 67 FT% is awful for a guard.

    31. TelegraphedPass

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: .437 is not a good FG% when you’re hitting 37% of 3PA. And 67 FT% is awful for a guard.

      You’ll hear no argument from me there. But at least his shooting numbers are trending upwards. There seems to be potential there that he can become a legitimate 3 point threat.

    32. Juany8

      He was shooting 85+% earlier in the season. Everyone on this team has been missing free throws lately, at some point there’s a chance it’s not a total coincidence. Think about it, Baron, Shump, Melo, and Amar’e have basically spent the entire season dealing with injuries in a compressed season where getting in game shape was more difficult than ever. They’ve all been better shooters (except Shump) than they’ve shown this year, this team is probably screwed playing Bibby or TD anyways, but it’s an encouraging thought for next season.

    33. Bruno Almeida

      TelegraphedPass: You’ll hear no argument from me there. But at least his shooting numbers are trending upwards. There seems to be potential there that he can become a legitimate 3 point threat.

      if he can hit the corner 3 with this percentage consistently it’s good enough for me.

      Shumpert’s issues come from shot selection, he tries to do too much on his own and forces the issue too much… also, he’s a poor finisher at the rim, which is mind numbing considering his athletic ability.

      I think he’ll be much better on his sophomore year, when he gets a better grasp of what an NBA offense is, stops shooting so much and learns to finish under control at the rim.

      my expectations for Shumpert area, really, a shorter Iguodala.

    34. d-mar

      One thing Shumpert should never, ever do is dribble down the court and jack up a shot with 20 sec. left on the shot clock. Great shooters can get away with that, it hurts the team a lot when he does it.

    35. TelegraphedPass

      @41 Iggy is really really really really good. Like criminally underrated good. I’m not sure if I’m that optimistic. I’m thinking more better-shooting Tony Allen, which I would still love.

    36. Brian Cronin

      I am thrilled that JR Smith is not suspended. They really need him against the Magic. That would never be a suspendable offense in the old NBA, but I really thought that the current NBA would give him a game off. Phew.

      And while I am pleased that Woodson acknowledged he should have played Fields more, I am still a bit disturbed that it did not occur to him during the game. You know, like let’s say he played Bibby at the point the entire fourth quarter and then says the next day, “Oh, my bad, I should not have done that.” While it is good that he admits it, that he did it at all is still weird. Fields has struggled so much that you’d think Woodson would be doing cartwheels with the game he was having, and instead he benched him for long stretches, including a 23-4 run! You have one guy other than Melo actually taking it to the basket (which is how you typically stop bad stretches where your jumpers are not falling) and you don’t play him at all.

    37. jon abbey

      d-mar:
      One thing Shumpert should never, ever do is dribble down the court and jack up a shot with 20 sec. left on the shot clock. Great shooters can get away with that, it hurts the team a lot when he does it.

      agreed on this, although amusingly (sadly) his 20 footer with 8 left on the shot clock was our only FG of the first 4:57 of the 4th yesterday.

      he took one side-stepping three where he had brought the ball up himself yesterday that was a terrible decision, though, his worst game overall in a long time.

    38. Brian Cronin

      agreed on this, although amusingly (sadly) his 20 footer with 8 left on the shot clock was our only FG of the first 4:57 of the 4th yesterday.

      he took one side-stepping three where he had brought the ball up himself yesterday that was a terrible decision, though, his worst game overall in a long time.

      Yeah, he hit one jumper and I think JR and Melo each hit one jumper and that was it. Just jumper after jumper after jumper after jumper. It had to be fatigue, because Shump knows he can take it to the basket if need be and you have to figure Melo and Smith know that, too, right (I think Smith might have attempted one drive but got blocked and/or stripped)?

    39. Bruno Almeida

      TelegraphedPass:
      @41 Iggy is really really really really good. Like criminally underrated good. I’m not sure if I’m that optimistic. I’m thinking more better-shooting Tony Allen, which I would still love.

      yeah, I’m a bit optimistic, but Shumpert has shown flashes of being a decent playmaker on short stretches (a part of Iguodala’s game that’s really underrated), he has the athletic ability already and has all the tools to be an incredible defender… he’ll never be as good a rebounder, because he’ll probably never be the starter at the 3 position.

      Iguodala was really, really raw when he came into the league too, we forget Shumpert is still a rookie and we’re comparing him to guys who are in their 7th, 8th years in the league.

      I’m thrilled with Shumpert’s ceiling, really.

    40. ruruland

      Bruno Almeida: yeah, I’m a bit optimistic, but Shumpert has shown flashes of being a decent playmaker on short stretches (a part of Iguodala’s game that’s really underrated), he has the athletic ability already and has all the tools to be an incredible defender… he’ll never be as good a rebounder, because he’ll probably never be the starter at the 3 position.

      Iguodala was really, really raw when he came into the league too, we forget Shumpert is still a rookie and we’re comparing him to guys who are in their 7th, 8th years in the league.

      I’m thrilled with Shumpert’s ceiling, really.

      It’s a great point. It took Iggy a long time to develop.

    41. Bruno Almeida

      @50

      and similarly to Iguodala, I don’t think Shumpert will ever be a high TS% guy, he’ll probably peak at the .530 to .550 area, but he contributes on so many other areas of the game that it’s more than ok.

    42. nicos

      Bruno Almeida:
      by the way, every day I want Dwight Howard on the Knicks less.

      http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18294135/report-dwight-howard-wants-stan-van-gundy-fired

      it’s probably all speculation, but Howard just seems incredibly immature and self-centered, how is it possible that the guy who’s probably the 2nd most dominant player in the entire NBA be so clueless and driven by stupid stuff like his “brand” or whatever?

      Well, the most dominant player in the entire NBA seems to be at least a little immature and incredibly self-centered too so I’d say it pretty much goes with the territory.

    43. BigBlueAL

      Bruno Almeida:
      by the way, every day I want Dwight Howard on the Knicks less.

      http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18294135/report-dwight-howard-wants-stan-van-gundy-fired

      it’s probably all speculation, but Howard just seems incredibly immature and self-centered, how is it possible that the guy who’s probably the 2nd most dominant player in the entire NBA be so clueless and driven by stupid stuff like his “brand” or whatever?

      I’ll take Stan Van Gundy.

    44. Bruno Almeida

      BigBlueAL: I’ll take Stan Van Gundy.

      yeah, if he does get fired he could come to the Knicks, we would be a perennial top 5 defensive team with him.

    45. ruruland

      Bruno Almeida: yeah, if he does get fired he could come to the Knicks, we would be a perennial top 5 defensive team with him.

      Burn out quick on that guy. I can’t listen to his mic’ed up sideline sound anymore.JVG not nearly as grating as he is.

      This personnel should be able to get around that 5-8 spot with Woodson.

    46. JC Knickfan

      Lineup Lin, Shump, Melo, Amare and TC should win division next year and be at least the 4th seed.

    47. Frank O.

      jon abbey: agreed on this, although amusingly (sadly) his 20 footer with 8 left on the shot clock was our only FG of the first 4:57 of the 4th yesterday.

      he took one side-stepping three where he had brought the ball up himself yesterday that was a terrible decision, though, his worst game overall in a long time.

      Everybody needs to chill on Shump. He’s a rook and uneven is what they do. He’s inconsistent on O at best, and he’s a high energy D guy. He’s had to do it on both ends lately and he looked exhausted.
      Fields also needs some slack. He’s a second year player.
      In the end, we had three inexperienced guys getting a lot of minutes, and another dude with the IQ of a spud.
      Melo did too much on the iso ball late in the game. He was brilliant early shooting and sharing. He lost faith in his guys late.
      Woodson had an off game too. He stayed with the formula that worked before rather than adapting to the changes in the players’ output.
      Last, Baron’s mistakes were more mental, which may have been the most disturbing development. We miss Lin terribly.

    48. ruruland

      JC Knickfan:
      Lineup Lin, Shump, Melo, Amare and TC should win division next year and be at least the 4th seed.

      I mean 5th-8th in defensive efficiency, I think they can be the second best team in the East next year if they stay healthy and get lucky this off-season.

    49. Brian Cronin

      Calling JR Smith a punk is ridiculous. It is basically like, “Hey, he had a sort of bad reputation, right? So I can get away with calling him a punk without any repercussions, right?”

      Karl on his worst day would never call JR a punk, and yet Berman acted like it was an obvious thing. So foolish.

    50. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Calling JR Smith a punk is ridiculous. It is basically like, “Hey, he had a sort of bad reputation, right? So I can get away with calling him a punk without any repercussions, right?”

      Karl on his worst day would never call JR a punk, and yet Berman acted like it was an obvious thing. So foolish.

      For most journos it’s about as unprofessional as you can get. If he was at a respectable publication he would get reprimanded.

    51. Bruno Almeida

      I agree that Berman was terrible and completely unprofessional, but J.R Smith needs to be smarter too.

      everyone waas talking about how he and Baron would accept complimentary roles, would feed from the MSG crowd and would be at their best behavior on contract years, but so far…

      Smith has been everything he ever was, not a head case with coaching staff or the players, but with the same attitude on the court… and Baron pretty much the same, except that his problems are (mostly) injury related.

    52. Brian Cronin

      I dunno, JR and Baron both have had a goodly amount of head scratchers, but JR is busting his ass on defense and his problem seems to be more that his shot just isn’t falling. When it does, he’ll be awesome. I just can’t say that I am confident it will start dropping any time soon.

      As for Davis’ problems, as you note, they are age/injury related more than anything. No way a healthy Davis plays the game he did in the fourth quarter last night. Of course, the problem is that he is likely not going to be healthy this year.

    53. ruruland

      Bruno Almeida:
      I agree that Berman was terrible and completely unprofessional, but J.R Smith needs to be smarter too.

      everyone waas talking about how he and Baron would accept complimentary roles, would feed from the MSG crowd and would be at their best behavior on contract years, but so far…

      Smith has been everything he ever was, not a head case with coaching staff or the players, but with the same attitude on the court… and Baron pretty much the same, except that his problems are (mostly) injury related.

      He’s a volatile, emotional player. Often that emotion and intensity allows him to be, really, an almost-great player for long stretches. I think it might keep him from being consistent though, because he can pretty much spiral out of control.

      It’s unfortunate Knicks haven’t seen much of the really-good JR, the guy who feeds off the crowd and takes the game over,… maybe the playoffs.

      Baron just doesn’t have the ability to do it….

      JR can be a net positive personality with proper leadership. I think the Knicks pretty much have that.

      Woodson has handled JR a lot differently than GK ever did. I think that will pay huge dividends; it’s clear there is a level of trust that junior’s never had with a coach before. It’s part of the reason I think he’ll pick up his option.

    54. Juany8

      Stan Van Gundy is a fantastic coach and an underrated reason for why the Magic have been great defensively in the past few years. You have to worry about buy in a little bit, but Woodson lost his team in Atlanta too so I’d go with the more successful coach.

    55. Brian Cronin

      Oh yeah, I’d take SVG in an instant over Woodson, and I say that without any disrespect to Woodson. I think Woodson has done a good enough job with the Knicks that if the Knicks do find an upgrade over him (like Van Gundy or Phil Jackson), then he shouldn’t have much of a problem with getting a new job. The Blazers, perhaps?

    56. JC Knickfan

      Melo was 3-6 FG, 1-3 3pt and 1-1 FT in last 5 minutes of Indiana game. Score was 93-94 Indy at 5:01 mark.

      I didn’t count the 102-110 basket as they where not in 5 points.

    57. jon abbey

      JC Knickfan:
      Melo was 3-6 FG,1-3 3pt and 1-1 FT in last 5 minutes of Indiana game.Score was 93-94 Indy at 5:01 mark.

      again, SO deceptive. please look at the play by play, he scored 2 points during the 8 minute stretch where they pretty much buried us, then once we were down 8, he almost managed to bring us back singlehandedly, but the point is to not be so passive in that eight minute stretch.

      it was just odd, honestly, uncharacteristic of how he played the rest of the game, and I don’t think being tired is an excuse either. he had just come off the bench, and he started scoring again later. just odd.

    58. d-mar

      Philly losing by 11 at home to Toronto. The goddamn Celtics are going to win the Atlantic even with their tough schedule, I think the Sixers are going to fade down the stretch.

    59. max fisher-cohen

      When Melo returned in the 4th quarter, a very motivated Danny Granger started guarding him. Before that, it had been Dante Jones (too small) and David West (too slow). Furthermore, Indy went to a smaller, more mobile lineup. Whereas earlier in the game Melo was getting switches so that Hibbert was on him, Amundson is a much more mobile defender, and with Indy’s speed elsewhere, they could help when there was a mismatch.

      That’s my theory for why Melo disappeared. While I consider this to be a somewhat valid excuse — you can’t do it alone when the other team can double team and recover — I also think you have to take his performance through three quarters with a grain of salt in that the matchups were so advantageous for him.

    60. Bruno Almeida

      max fisher-cohen:
      When Melo returned in the 4th quarter, a very motivated Danny Granger started guarding him. Before that, it had been Dante Jones (too small) and David West (too slow). Furthermore, Indy went to a smaller, more mobile lineup. Whereas earlier in the game Melo was getting switches so that Hibbert was on him, Amundson is a much more mobile defender, and with Indy’s speed elsewhere, they could help when there was a mismatch.

      That’s my theory for why Melo disappeared. While I consider this to be a somewhat valid excuse — you can’t do it alone when the other team can double team and recover — I also think you have to take his performance through three quarters with a grain of salt in that the matchups were so advantageous for him.

      ok, it does make some sense, but Granger is at most a decent defender, which means, not someone who should be able to negate Carmelo Anthony on offense, it’s not like it was Bruce Bowen on him… and they didn’t even double that hard most of the times.

    61. art vandelay

      Celtics are so good at late-game execution…just seem to find allen or pierce in a position of strength at end of games…just got a perfect look for Allen against Spurs. I wish we could draw up plays like they do down the stretch of games.

    62. art vandelay

      Well, Pierce missed the buzzer beater…of course he did….wasn’t playing against NYK….amazing how that happens!

    63. massive

      Thanks to the Spurs, we’re still only 3 1/2 games out of 4th place. I’m not giving up hope just yet.

    64. bc2k

      Spurs blew a 15 point lead and scored total of 28 points in the 2nd half, yet they still beat the Celtics, this is how championship teams play.

    65. d-mar

      massive:
      Thanks to the Spurs, we’re still only 3 1/2 games out of 4th place. I’m not giving up hope just yet.

      If we were healthy, esp. at the PG position, I’d be more of a believer

    66. d-mar

      Indy loss even more frustrating after tonight’s results, we’d be 2 1/2 behind Boston and 1 behind Philly. Damn.

    67. massive

      Anybody else feel like Westbrook would have been better suited at the off-guard position?

    68. Bruno Almeida

      massive:
      Anybody else feel like Westbrook would have been better suited at the off-guard position?

      I think he’s ok, as long as he plays with another guard who can handle the ball and create, such as Harden.

    69. jon abbey

      Granger can’t guard Melo if he’s on, he couldn’t in the first quarter last night either.

      if Melo was trying and failing during that 8 minute stretch, then I would accept that explanation, but it was really like he wasn’t trying very hard, or at least as hard as I believe the other scoring assassins would have done in that situation.

      the game someone cited from Jordan in the 1992 playoffs was different (judging from the box, my memory is not that good) in that Jordan didn’t have a good game at all. everyone has bad games, that’s not what I’m saying. last night Melo was consistently dominant except for that eight minute stretch when he seemed much more passive, like a different guy from the rest of the game. dunno, just odd.

      and Woodson had his first real brain fart too with Fields, at least he admitted it today.

      ah well, on to Orlando.

    70. Bruno Almeida

      jon abbey:
      Granger can’t guard Melo if he’s on, he couldn’t in the first quarter last night either.

      if Melo was trying and failing during that 8 minute stretch, then I would accept that explanation, but it was really like he wasn’t trying very hard, or at least as hard as I believe the other scoring assassins would have done in that situation.

      the game someone cited from Jordan in the 1992 playoffs was different (judging from the box, my memory is not that good) in that Jordan didn’t have a good game at all. everyone has bad games, that’s not what I’m saying. last night Melo was consistently dominant except for that eight minute stretch when he seemed much more passive, like a different guy from the rest of the game. dunno, just odd.

      and Woodson had his first real brain fart too with Fields, at least he admitted it today.

      ah well, on to Orlando.

      yeah, let’s try (and I know it’s hard because I do it all the time) to not overreact, for know this team has to be given the benefit of the doubt… the problem is that now every game is a must win, and this team, with this payroll and the kind of talent we have just shouldn’t be in this situation.

    71. jon abbey

      whoa, the Sixers had an alltime team low 7 points in the 4th quarter tonight, going back 50+ years. at home, against Toronto, they really are in free fall.

    72. Doug

      jon abbey:
      whoa, the Sixers had an alltime team low 7 points in the 4th quarter tonight, going back 50+ years. at home, against Toronto, they really are in free fall.

      She’s a good girl, crazy about Elvis…

    73. max fisher-cohen

      classic tanking game. NJ sits D-Will for the game and still manages to tie the game in 4th q vs. Portland. Blazers retaliate by putting out a 4th q. lineup of Hasheem Thabeet, Luke Babbitt, Nolan Smith, Jonny Flynn and LMA. It’s a barn burner.

    74. Ben R

      I think Portland should go hard after Williams this off-season. They have the space to offer the max and then a core of Aldridge, Williams and Batum with Matthews, Hickson, and 2 lottery picks this year and you have a nice group moving forward. Hire D’Antoni and you could build a nice SSOL team out of that core.

    75. Brian Cronin

      Is there a team with cap room that shouldn’t go hard after D-Will? Pretty much any team would love to have him. He’ll have his pick of the litter.

    76. ruruland

      As I was saying: “I think Coach gives me a lot of leeway to be able to do what I do,” Smith said. “He trusts me out there on the court to hit those shots or come up with big plays on the other end. That’s the confidence I need.”

    77. jon abbey

      ruruland:
      As I was saying: “I think Coach gives me a lot of leeway to be able to do what I do,” Smith said. “He trusts me out there on the court to hit those shots or come up with big plays on the other end. That’s the confidence I need.”

      to be fair, Woodson has no choice but to trust Smith given the rest of the current roster. it’d be nice if he rewarded that confidence more frequently going forward.

    78. ruruland

      jon abbey: to be fair, Woodson has no choice but to trust Smith given the rest of the current roster. it’d be nice if he rewarded that confidence more frequently going forward.

      It’s less about that than the difference in how JR was treated in Denver. he played much, much better with a far tighter leash. This trust will eventually pay off. And I think a lot of coaches would have pulled Smith with his shooting despite his strong defense in favor of Fields because Fields was passing and moving better….JR would not be playing AT ALL right now if GK was the guy….. He found ways to bench Smith in favor of Anthony Carter, Dhantay Jones, Demarr Johnson and a host of others when he was a 570 TS guy….. His slump right now is actually worse than Melo’s was (sans injury)….But he will pull out of it in a big way before the season is through.

      Amazing this team is even .500, given the huge drop-offs/ slumps from Melo, Fields, amar’e, Douglas and junior.

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