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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Sep 17 2013)

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  • 29 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Sep 17 2013)

    1. Hubert

      I feel so calm these days. And I’m not going to lie, I kinda like it.

      I bumped into the other die-hard Knicks fan in my office the other day. 10 months out of the year the mere sight of each other causes us to launch into a 10 minute outpouring of Knicks-fueled anxiety. This time, we just talked about the weather. And it was kinda nice. Then we just looked at each other and realized that we were unlikely to have this sort of inner peace much longer.

      Why do we do this to ourselves?

    2. Hubert

      NOTE: I imagine other people have other sports that induce anxiety. I don’t. I’m a Yankees fan, but I’m the rare Yankees fan that is totally satisfied. I saw the best team anyone in my lifetime is likely to see. Asking for more would be greedy.

      I’m a Giants fan, but they’ve trained me to realize that nothing that happens prior to December matters at all. I can actually watch these games solely for entertainment value.

      I got into the English Premier League during the Isiah years because I needed something to distract me. I started supporting Spurs in 2004. That’s actually a very Knicks-like experience but I’m separated from the action by an ocean so the anxiety is less.

      It’s really just this team that gives me panic attacks and delusions of grandeur.

      Sigh.

      Enjoy the calm while it lasts.

    3. d-mar

      Well, if you want to be “uncalm” read Howard Beck’s column in today’s NY Times. Shockingly, it’s a completely negative article on the Knicks’ prospects this season and contains the usual criticism of Melo (he mentions that the Knicks are 7-14 in the playoffs since his arrival – of course, they never even sniffed the playoffs for years before that)

      Just a real douche of a writer, I’m assuming his next column will be how the Nets now own NYC.

    4. EB

      Of course he also neglects to mention how completely worthless his teammates have been in the playoffs. For chrissakes Jared Jeffries was our second leading scorer in one of the games when we got swept by Boston. Amare Stoudemire has yet to be healthy for a full series in 3 years. Tyrone keeps getting the Flu and our pgs keep destroying their own knees ala billups lin baron Davis and shump then everyone else we have at the point is 80 years old or forgets how to shoot bibby Roger Mason, Douglass, and of course Kidd. But clearly its Melo’s fault.

      d-mar:
      Well, if you want to be “uncalm” read Howard Beck’s column in today’s NY Times. Shockingly, it’s a completely negative article on the Knicks’ prospects this season and contains the usual criticism of Melo (he mentions that the Knicks are 7-14 in the playoffs since his arrival

    5. lavor postell

      d-mar:
      Well, if you want to be “uncalm” read Howard Beck’s column in today’s NY Times. Shockingly, it’s a completely negative article on the Knicks’ prospects this season and contains the usual criticism of Melo (he mentions that the Knicks are 7-14 in the playoffs since his arrival – of course, they never even sniffed the playoffs for years before that)

      Just a real douche of a writer, I’m assuming his next column will be how the Nets now own NYC.

      I mean the Nets showed so much ability to endure adversity than the Knicks last year. Somehow they managed to extend a completely healthy Bulls team to 7 games….

      Adding Pierce and KG to the mix helps a lot since their skill sets complement Williams-JJ-Lopez, but this is not some team that was on the cusp of the Eastern Conference Finals last season. They lost to whatever remained of the Bulls in 7 games even with homecourt advantage. I really am interested to see how D-Will, JJ and Pierce manage sharing the ball in the halfcourt and initiating offense.

      The negativity around the Knicks is really bizarre too. I mean I can understand the logic of them finishing 5th, but the general consensus seems to be that this team has no chance against the other top-4 teams in the East. In particular I really don’t think the Pacers or Nets are impossible challenges for this team. While I think we figure to be a worse offensive team this year, I also think we are likely to make strides defensively with the addition of MWP and a healthy Shump from the outset.

      Also a completely undervalued aspect of this roster is the amount of versatility it gives us. You’d be hard pressed to find another roster in the league that can at least theoretically be as flexible on a game to game basis in terms of matchups.

      Season needs to start now. I’m not expecting EJ Manuel to be game winning drives under 2 minutes…

    6. Hubert

      d-mar:
      Well, if you want to be “uncalm” read Howard Beck’s column in today’s NY Times.

      Nah.

      Thanks for the heads up, though. I’ll read it when the Times re-publishes it in 2 months but with the paragraphs rearranged so it looks like a new article.

      I’m going to enjoy this while it lasts. I feel like Costanza when he gave up thinking about sex.

    7. cgreene

      d-mar:
      Well, if you want to be “uncalm” read Howard Beck’s column in today’s NY Times. Shockingly, it’s a completely negative article on the Knicks’ prospects this season and contains the usual criticism of Melo (he mentions that the Knicks are 7-14 in the playoffs since his arrival – of course, they never even sniffed the playoffs for years before that)

      Just a real douche of a writer, I’m assuming his next column will be how the Nets now own NYC.

      I got into a discussion w Beck on Twitter last night about that article. He said it wasn’t negative about Knicks prospects and more about Melo leaving. I was being polite so he would reply which to his credit he did but there is no way he would acknowledge his bias. I asked him specifically about the question marks surrounding the Nets and he admitted they were there but I say to that then where’s the article in the Times about Garnett’s age and Pierce’s absolute crap of a playoffs. You can see it under my handle @cgreene33 if you please.

    8. Hubert

      Here’s the thing:

      in the online basketball media world, if you want to be one of the cool kids, one of the things you have to know is that you can never win a title with Carmelo Anthony. You have to know this and write about it as much as you can. Otherwise you won’t be accepted.

      One of the other things you have to know is that Andrea Bargnani is the worst basketball player to ever live and it is mathematically impossible for him to ever cease being the worst basketball player who ever lived.

      If you don’t know those two things, and you don’t tell everyone you know them frequently, you’ll never be accepted.

    9. flossy

      Ha ha, the Knicks are inviting Ricky Davis to their “who wants to compete for a roster spot during training camp” minicamp. Ricky Davis! I think I just heard the blood vessel in THCJ’s forehead burst.

    10. Hubert

      Ok. I read it. Congratulations, David Vertsberger, for getting your first ghost-written piece published in the NY Times!

      If that’s not what happened, then I think Beck actually plagiarized some of David’s work from this summer. All that was missing was the suggestion that we trade Shumpert.

    11. Hubert

      “It was Kidd who coaxed J. R. Smith and Anthony into a smarter, team-oriented game last season, and it was Kidd who helped keep the combustible Smith on course.”

      I guess Mike Woodson just tucked them in at night.

      “They won 54 games last season but they hit that mark in a down year for the Eastern Conference and still failed to reach the conference finals. The Knicks may have already peaked. Their chief rivals have only grown stronger.”

      That’s a unique take. Haven’t read that elsewhere.

      “Amar’e Stoudemire is a poor fit between Anthony and Tyson Chandler”…

      …statistics from 2012-13 notwithstanding.

      “[The Lakers] can offer something the Knicks cannot: a tradition of success, a knack for acquiring and building around superstars, and a habit of staging parades in June….”

      …along with the chance to play with a 36 year old Kobe Bryant earning more than half the salary cap ensuring that his teammates will likely be worse than the ones he had at Syracuse, the opportunity to reunite with Mike D’antoni, and the gift of being the guy who gambles the end of his career on finding out if Jim Buss is a bigger idiot than Jim Dolan! Where can he sign?

    12. lavor postell

      There’s just no point in bothering with guys who insist Melo’s going to LA when the financials barely make it feasible, not to mention that Mike fucking D’Antoni is coaching that team and that somehow they have managed to have less young talent than the Knicks. It’s cool though because remember they won championships more recently than the Knicks so clearly regardless of anything it’s a better situation.

      Look if we sign Melo to his mega-max 5-year, 130mill extension that is beyond stupid, but I would give less than a 1% chance to him leaving New York. He forced the move to come here, he was born in New York and the organization, for better or worse, has made a commitment to building around him from the players on the floor, to the coaching staff up to management. Very few players receive that kind of treatment and it’s something I’d imagine is something a franchise player may enjoy immensely and not just want to throw away.

      Also there’s the fact that you know he said he’s not going anywhere on the record. Not something he said previously in Denver or that Lebron, Howard, Paul or any other of these superstars said in the build up to their possible free agency. Most of the time it’s bullshit like “I’m just focused on improving myself and the team to the point where we are competing for championships. That’s my only focus right now. I’m not thinking about my free agency.”

    13. DRed

      lavor postell:
      There’s just no point in bothering with guys who insist Melo’s going to LA when the financials barely make it feasible, not to mention that Mike fucking D’Antoni is coaching that team and that somehow they have managed to have less young talent than the Knicks.It’s cool though because remember they won championships more recently than the Knicks so clearly regardless of anything it’s a better situation.

      Look if we sign Melo to his mega-max 5-year, 130mill extension that is beyond stupid, but I would give less than a 1% chance to him leaving New York.He forced the move to come here, he was born in New York and the organization, for better or worse, has made a commitment to building around him from the players on the floor, to the coaching staff up to management.Very few players receive that kind of treatment and it’s something I’d imagine is something a franchise player may enjoy immensely and not just want to throw away.

      Also there’s the fact that you know he said he’s not going anywhere on the record.Not something he said previously in Denver or that Lebron, Howard, Paul or any other of these superstars said in the build up to their possible free agency.Most of the time it’s bullshit like “I’m just focused on improving myself and the team to the point where we are competing for championships.That’s my only focus right now.I’m not thinking about my free agency.”

      You really see Guitar Jimmy not giving Melo the max? If he opts out, the smart move is to let him walk.

    14. flossy

      lavor postell: Also there’s the fact that you know he said he’s not going anywhere on the record. Not something he said previously in Denver or that Lebron, Howard, Paul or any other of these superstars said in the build up to their possible free agency.

      “”I got a goal, and it’s a huge goal, and that’s to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland,” James said. “And I won’t stop until I get it.”

    15. Hubert

      I still think he’s going to opt in.

      I’ve shown the math on it before. He stands to make an addition $30 million over the rest of his career if he opts in and then signs the max.

      And if he and LeBron opt in they both play in NY in 2015 :)

    16. mokers

      If I were him, I would opt out. While Carmelo takes care of himself in the offseason, his style of play puts him at risk for injury. Opt-in and he is one Kevin Garnett cheapsshot from labrum surgery. Financially, I think it makes more sense to get his max deal now. I don’t think he would bolt for the Lakers, though.

    17. lavor postell

      flossy: “”I got a goal, and it’s a huge goal, and that’s to bring an NBA championship here to Cleveland,” James said. “And I won’t stop until I get it.”

      I remember this quote. Look if Carmelo can find himself a nice spot to be the alpha dog with 2 supporting All-Stars I could see him going. I just don’t see that happening and if it doesn’t he’s not leaving New York.

    18. lavor postell

      DRed: You really see Guitar Jimmy not giving Melo the max?If he opts out, the smart move is to let him walk.

      Yeah I agree unless you can get him to agree to a cut price deal which I don’t see as being highly likely. We’ll see how the dominoes fall.

    19. BigBlueAL

      I want Melo to stay. Im tired of the constant talk of new players and roster blowups. Unlike many here I love watching Melo play. Sure he takes some shots that make you want to throw your remote at the TV but man when he is on he is amazing to watch. I grew up with the 90’s Knicks, Ewing is my fave player ever, but last season was the funnest season Ive had as a Knicks fan in terms of just the basketball we got to watch. Most of that was due to Melo.

      However I surely hope he doesnt opt-out then re-sign for the 5yr/123 max cause that would be a pretty bad contract.

    20. mokers

      flossy:
      Ha ha, the Knicks are inviting Ricky Davis to their “who wants to compete for a roster spot during training camp” minicamp.Ricky Davis!I think I just heard the blood vessel in THCJ’s forehead burst.

      I was excited to hear they brought in Cole Aldrich until I read that Ricky Davis was also getting a workout. That says to me that Aldrich has a weak shot at making the roster, but I still think he would be a great spot for some rebounds/fouls as needed.

    21. flossy

      mokers: I was excited to hear they brought in Cole Aldrich until I read that Ricky Davis was also getting a workout. That says to me that Aldrich has a weak shot at making the roster, but I still think he would be a great spot for some rebounds/fouls as needed.

      Yeah I don’t really get it, Cole Aldrich would be a more than adequate 3rd center. Ricky Davis is the very definition of “washed-up chuck artist.” How those two ended up in the same workout is a total mystery.

    22. DRed

      Ricky Davis last saw action with the Pirates de Quebradillas of the Puerto Rican basketball league. He was waived.

    23. BigBlueAL

      I really cant wait for the NBA to start. Most excited I am for an NBA season since the 1992-93 season. Not coincidentally 1992 was the last time I had the misfortune of watching such a boring Yankee team.

      If there was ever a time for NY to become a Knicks town again this is it. Yankees are as bad as they have been in 21 years, the Mets suck as usual. Ditto the Jets. The Giants arent looking too good. This is the time for the Knicks to own NY again like they did from 1992-1994.

    24. BigBlueAL

      DRed:
      Hey, the Jets are 1-1.We’re fine.Now that Giants-that’s a terrible football team.

      Still think Giants can finish 9-7 and possibly backdoor their way to a division title with such a weak looking NFC East like they did a couple of years ago. But not exactly an inspiring looking Giants team right now. For me though as Ive said before baseball and basketball are my 2 fave sports by far so right now with the Yankee season mercifully coming to an end (unfortunately so is Mo’s career) Im squarely focused and looking forward to the Knicks and the NBA in general.

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