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Thursday, October 23, 2014

Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Oct 15 2013)

  • [New York Times] Kings Beat Clippers in Preseason (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 04:39:55 GMT)
    DeMarcus Cousins had 31 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Sacramento Kings to a 99-88 preseason victory over the Los Angeles Clippers on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Faried Leads Nuggets to Preseason Win Over Spurs (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:36:48 GMT)
    Kenneth Faried scored 11 of his 22 points in the fourth quarter, helping the Denver Nuggets to a 98-94 preseason win over the short-handed San Antonio Spurs on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Magic Beat Mavericks in Preseason (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 03:27:56 GMT)
    Victor Oladipo had 12 points and 11 rebounds and fellow rookie Manny Harris scored all nine of his points in the fourth quarter to help the Orlando Magic to a 102-94 preseason victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Nets Romp Past 76ers in Preseason, 127-97 (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:39:46 GMT)
    Christopher Johnson and Mirza Teletovic each scored 21 points to lead the Brooklyn Nets to a 127-97 preseason victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Spurs Stay Consistent by Thinking Globally (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:09:08 GMT)
    San Antonio, with nine players from outside the continental United States on its 2013 finals roster, practices a more international approach to basketball than any other N.B.A. team.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks taking cautious approach with K-Mart (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 02:52:56 GMT)
    Attention K-Mart watchers: Kenyon Martin had his shoeless left ankle wrapped in ice when reporters were allowed in to watch the tail end of practice on Monday, but he and the Knicks were quick to downplay that sighting as little more than a preventative measure.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Melo’s Charm City homecoming (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 02:51:41 GMT)
    Aside from one charity game in 2011, Carmelo Anthony will play in Baltimore for the first time since high school when the Knicks visit his hometown to face the Wizards on Thursday. Anthony’s family moved from Brooklyn to Baltimore when he was 8.    

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Will Shump Day ever come for Knicks guard? (Tue, 15 Oct 2013 02:42:45 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert’s famous high-top fade is gone, which is apparently a big deal because Shumpert, citing exclusive broadcasting rights, declined to discuss his new do. “Check my Twitter, check my Instagram,” he said Monday. “I’m gonna release a video. “Check my Twitter, check my Instagram,” he said Monday. “I’m gonna release a video. I had a video getting the whole haircut and everything. I’ll release it soon.”    

  • 15 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Oct 15 2013)

    1. Brian Cronin

      Probably the most disturbing story out of the preseason for me has been the whole “Iman Shumpert might not start” story. How in the world could anyone look at the New York Knicks roster and not think that Shumpert should be in the starting lineup? Especially if you’re going to start Bargs at the 4. You need the defense Shump will bring. I don’t get why you’d even mess with Shump’s confidence at all when he is one of the biggest keys to the team not named Melo or Chandler.

      EDITED TO ADD: After I wrote that, I actually clicked on the above Isola article where he says basically the same thing. It is just awfully confusing. What is the deal with the Knicks and Shump? Do they seriously not realize how important he is?

    2. Nick C.

      It seems like Woodson, at least publically, has a real stick up his ass about Shumpert. From the whole “rook” thing even into his second season to the lack of hesitation to get on his case during games. It is rather puzzling vis a vis the way JR gets indulged. Partly maybe he just is doing what works best for their personalities, but the babying the baby publicly while having no hesitation to be stern with less troublesome guys is grating if not flat out upside down.

    3. lavor postell

      Woodson is a really interesting coach in that he’s not exactly the kind of coach you’d think he would be based on the way he talks. Who would have thought last year we would lead the league in three point attempts, play small and be major proponents of a 2 pg lineup? Also I didn’t imagine Woodson would talk about defense and accountability all the time, but only really enforce it sporadically with certain players while absolving others of all blame.

      How many times did we have to watch Chandler, melo and jr take turns acting aggrieved to not get a call on the offensive end giving up n easy 5v 4 possession and a bucket without any repercussions? I think as far as Woodson is concerned his words are similar to what his mentor bobby knight would say, but he certainly is not the strict enforcer that they would lead you to believe.

      This is a big year for this franchise and the core we have built around of melo, Felton, chandler, jr, stat (if healthy) and maybe most of all the leader of the band Woodson.

    4. johnno

      Brian Cronin: Probably the most disturbing story out of the preseason for me has been the whole “Iman Shumpert might not start” story. How in the world could anyone look at the New York Knicks roster and not think that Shumpert should be in the starting lineup?

      I love Shumpert’s potential and think that he probably should be starting solely because of his perimeter defense. However, we shouldn’t pretend that he is without his faults. He almost always plays hard, but he often doesn’t play smart. He doesn’t set his teammates up very well (which makes his quick exit from the LV summer league kind of puzzling), he’s not a very good decision-maker, he’s not a great ball-handler, and he has real trouble finishing at the rim. I think that one of Woodson’s strengths is knowing what buttons to push on a guy. Shumpert seems like a guy who, when challenged by the coach, will work harder to prove himself whereas JR seems like the kind of guy who, when challenged, will blow a coach off and become a malcontent.

    5. SeeWhyDee77

      Yes..this whole Woodson-Shumpert dynamic is puzzling, to say the least. On one hand I can understand the handling of Shump and JR. I can see why he may be harder on Shump and more lenient with JR given their personalities. And I would suppose that as a coach, you would want your young asset with the most upside to have the best work ethic and the most to prove so that it would bring him closer to reaching the potential everyone sees in him. And wit JR, u don’t want your second most “reliable” scorer to become a malcontent. Last season it worked for the most part. I just don’t like it. I worry that Woodson will push too hard and Shump might not be able to pick up from where he left off in the postseason, though it looks like he has so far. But it is preseason so I kinda take younger players’ performance at this point with a half grain of salt at least. As a fan of Shumpert, Woodson’s handling of him relative to how he handles the knucklehead-ish JR, is tough to watch and listen to.

    6. DRed

      SCHOENE has us going 37-45. If that’s the case, we’re not going to have to worry about how Woodson uses Shumpert for too long.

    7. massive

      It’s really not okay for Mike Woodson to not start Iman Shumpert in favor of JR Smith. JR Smith is not going to be able to pick up the slack when Raymond Felton is getting torched by PGs nightly. JR Smith won’t fight over screens. There comes a point in time when you have too many scoters who don’t pass often on court. Having Smith, Anthony, and Bargnani on court together is that time. Felton, Shumpert, Melo, and Chandler should all be immovable from the starting 5 right now. I hate that JR “I got suspended and am being rewarded for it” Smith has an opportunity to start over Shump while Pablo Prigioni doesn’t, when it was Pablo who played well as the extra guard last season. This smells of a Dolan deal. Maybe they told JR that he would get a chance to start when he signed his contract. Either way, this is bullshit. JR is what he is, and that’s an inconsistent scoring ‘athlete’ with a bad first step and worse decision making at times. The supplemental role of “shoot and drive when open” isn’t one he accepts for games at a time, and that will prove to be detrimental over the course of a season. Keep JR on the bench where he’s had success.

    8. lavor postell

      I remember in both 08-09 and 09-10 said we’d be a 7 or 8 seed. Weren’t the lakers supposed to be the runaway favorite in the west according to most experts and projections last year? The spurs were done when they got smoked by Memphis in 10-11. SCHOENE said in 08-09 the cavs would beat Orlando in the ecf. I think it might be fair to say SCHOENE is not the be all end all of the Knicks season.

    9. Brian Cronin

      I remember in both 08-09 and 09-10 said we’d be a 7 or 8 seed. Weren’t the lakers supposed to be the runaway favorite in the west according to most experts and projections last year? The spurs were done when they got smoked by Memphis in 10-11. SCHOENE said in 08-09 the cavs would beat Orlando in the ecf. I think it might be fair to say SCHOENE is not the be all end all of the Knicks season.

      Yeah, it is kind of weird how they over-praised the Knicks for years and then suddenly slammed them this year. I think people overrate how much the media missed on the Knicks last year. The general consensus was something like 48-50 wins and they won 54. The issue was just that they all thought Boston would be better than they were, not that they thought that the Knicks would suck. This year, on the other hand, they’re just screwing the Knicks over (well, except for Zach Lowe. He’s fine).

    10. DRed

      Brian Cronin: Yeah, it is kind of weird how they over-praised the Knicks for years and then suddenly slammed them this year. I think people overrate how much the media missed on the Knicks last year. The general consensus was something like 48-50 wins and they won 54. The issue was just that they all thought Boston would be better than they were, not that they thought that the Knicks would suck. This year, on the other hand, they’re just screwing the Knicks over (well, except for Zach Lowe. He’s fine).

      SCHOENE is a model, right? I get that it’s probably wrong about the Knicks, but I don’t understand how it’s intentionally screwing us over.

    11. Brian Cronin

      SCHOENE is a model, right? I get that it’s probably wrong about the Knicks, but I don’t understand how it’s intentionally screwing us over.

      Sorry, I should say that the model itself seems predisposed to not like the Knicks. We knew coming in to the season that a lot of the stat models hated Bargs so much that they were going to throw the Knicks’ predictions way off and I think that even the most ardent Bargs-hater doesn’t think that he’ll mess over the Knicks to the tune of 17 wins. So what I mean is that the inherent bases of the stat models are screwing over the Knicks. Similarly, the Knick teams of the late Aughts were filled with players who the stat models loved likely too much (like David Lee).

    12. DRed

      Brian Cronin: Sorry, I should say that the model itself seems predisposed to not like the Knicks. We knew coming in to the season that a lot of the stat models hated Bargs so much that they were going to throw the Knicks’ predictions way off and I think that even the most ardent Bargs-hater doesn’t think that he’ll mess over the Knicks to the tune of 17 wins. So what I mean is that the inherent bases of the stat models are screwing over the Knicks. Similarly, the Knick teams of the late Aughts were filled with players who the stat models loved likely too much (like David Lee).

      I think it’s more than Bargs. This particular team is hard to model, because it’s difficult to figure out how many minutes players are going to get. Aside from Tyson, Melo and Felton you have a host of guys who are looking at anywhere from 10-28 minutes a night. We’ve lost a lot of shooting from last season, and while I think we could show significant gains on defense, it’s going to be up to Woodson to actually play the guys who could help. I really don’t know what to expect, except that we’re going to probably be worse.

    13. Brian Cronin

      But I think you’d agree that the model seems way off, right? Just like it was way off back in 2008-09 and 2009-10.

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