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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Oct 08 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Felton looking to prove point (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:48:18 GMT)
    Raymond Felton returned to New York one year ago with an undeniable chip on his shoulder after spending a year and a half away from the Knicks following his inclusion in the Carmelo Anthony trade with Denver and then a poor season in Portland.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Melo’s small world (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:36:27 GMT)
    It looks like Carmelo Anthony is on the move. Not to Los Angeles. Not yet, anyway. The Knicks’ star is all but certain to be moving back to his old haunt, the small forward position, after primarily playing at power forward last season, the place where he finished third in the MVP voting.    

  • [New York Times] Linsanity Hits Manila as Rockets Warm Up for Game (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 09:51:06 GMT)
    Linsanity is gripping the Philippines.    

  • [New York Times] Warriors Beat Kings 94-81 in Preseason Home Opener (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 05:08:56 GMT)
    When the Golden State Warriors signed free agent Andre Iguodala this summer, most figured that meant Harrison Barnes would be coming off the bench.    

  • [New York Times] Clippers Down Blazers 89-81 in Preseason Opener (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 04:36:01 GMT)
    DeAndre Jordan had 16 points and eight rebounds and the Los Angeles Clippers opened the preseason with an 89-81 victory over the Portland Trail Blazers on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Boozer Leads Bulls Over Grizzlies (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:39:09 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer scored 16 points and Kirk Hinrich and Taj Gibson added 15 each to lead the Chicago Bulls to a 106-87 preseason victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Beat Mavericks 94-92 in Preseason (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:23:48 GMT)
    Reserve guard Brian Roberts scored all 17 of his points in the fourth quarter, including the winning jumper with 21.7 seconds to play, and the New Orleans Pelicans beat the Dallas Mavericks 94-92 in a preseason game Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Gay Leads Raptors as Celtics’ Stevens Loses Debut (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:08:54 GMT)
    Rudy Gay and Tyler Hansbrough both scored 17 points to lead the Toronto Raptors to a 97-89 preseason victory over Boston on Monday night in Celtics’ coach Brad Stevens’ NBA debut.    

  • [New York Times] A Humbled Knick Tries to Fit In, Hoping to Avoid Moving on Yet Again (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 02:48:22 GMT)
    Chris Douglas-Roberts, who was signed by the Knicks as part of their training camp, has faced long odds throughout his professional career.    

  • [New York Times] Bosh Scores 21, Heat Top Hawks 92-87 (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 01:59:48 GMT)
    Chris Bosh scored 21 points on 7-for-8 shooting, LeBron James scored nine and the two-time defending champion Miami Heat opened the preseason with a 92-87 victory over the Atlanta Hawks on Monday night.    

  • [New York Times] Leading a Title Bid With a Lifted Spirit (Tue, 08 Oct 2013 01:15:53 GMT)
    Angel McCoughtry has Atlanta in the W.N.B.A. finals after leading the league in scoring again and readjusting her mind-set.    

  • 17 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Oct 08 2013)

    1. Brian Cronin

      ESPN New York had a weird article criticizing the Knicks shooting a lot of threes…

      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/48586/opening-tip-too-many-3s

      The argument is that the team that shoots the most threes never wins the title, but that just seems like such a small sample size thing, in the sense that very few teams win the title PERIOD, ya know? And when the Heat and Spurs finish 7th and 6th in threes taken, it just seems like a matter of semantics and not an actual argument against the Knicks shooting threes.

    2. nckev

      Brian Cronin:
      ESPN New York had a weird article criticizing the Knicks shooting a lot of threes…

      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/48586/opening-tip-too-many-3s

      The argument is that the team that shoots the most threes never wins the title, but that just seems like such a small sample size thing, in the sense that very few teams win the title PERIOD, ya know? And when the Heat and Spurs finish 7th and 6th in threes taken, it just seems like a matter of semantics and not an actual argument against the Knicks shooting threes.

      That kind of lazy statistical “analysis” really annoys me. If you want to know what effect 3pt shooting has on winning, then actually look at some numbers. Ian Begley is a regular staff writer at ESPN, surely he has access to all the data he needs. Let’s see a graph or a data table or anything relating 3PA, 3pt% to wins. It’s not that hard. Sports journalists are almost as lazy at political journalists…

    3. Mike Kurylo Post author

      I actually agree with the article, and am gearing all my research towards that style of statistical analysis.

      Did you know that since the three point era no basketball team has won a championship that resides in New York? Yet Woodson has decided that the Knicks are going to play their 2014 home games in Manhattan! When will he learn?

      Honestly my take is that he should give the players helmets, since only New York teams that wear helmets (Football, Baseball, Hockey) have won championships over the last 30 years. Also note that the Rangers didn’t win a championship for 50 years – most of that in the pre-helmet NHL era.

      Not doing either of these ignores irrefutable evidence.

    4. d-mar

      Mike, I’m also pretty sure no team has won an NBA title in the last 10 years that didn’t have a corporate name on their arena, so the Knicks have no chance until they change Madison Square Garden to Goldman Sachs Centre.

    5. Mike Kurylo Post author

      d-mar:
      Mike, I’m also pretty sure no team has won an NBA title in the last 10 years that didn’t have a corporate name on their arena, so the Knicks have no chance until they change Madison Square Garden to Goldman Sachs Centre.

      Gyro II Arena

    6. lavor postell

      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9790038/ranking-nba-tiers-power-2013-14-season

      New York Knicks

      “What a wacky bunch. New York is everyone’s choice for the East’s no. 5 spot, and though it didn’t have the starry offseason of its crosstown rivals, New York managed some very nice moves despite lacking any financial flexibility. Nabbing Metta World Peace and Beno Udrih on the minimum is a smart way to leverage big-city appeal, and each provides Mike Woodson with flexible lineup options the 3-happy Knicks used to baffle opponents last season. Heck, I’m even on record as bullish about the potential — on offense — of a Carmelo Anthony–Andrea Bargnani–Tyson Chandler trio, which would mimic the effect of small-ball groups that unleashed Anthony’s scoring and post passing last season. World Peace and Iman Shumpert could be an interesting defensive wing pairing in smaller lineups, though World Peace is declining.

      But there’s no road map from last year’s below-average defense to the sort of unit any legit contender needs. It’s nice to have Kenyon Martin behind Chandler, but Martin’s 36 with a long injury history, and there are just too many defensive minuses here — too many guards who get smashed on picks, too few weakside rim protectors for when teams put Chandler into the pick-and-roll. If there’s a team in the East’s top five with a scary downside, this is it — and that’s before we contemplate the future, and whatever is left of Amar’e Stoudemire.”

      I can see our defense moving up into the top-12 if Chandler is healthy and recovered from his injury woes. The addition of World Peace, presence of Martin for a full season (albeit in a limited minutes role) and continued progression of Shump also gives me more belief that this can happen. It’s funny to me that Lowe says OKC won’t miss Harden in the playoffs because Westbrook and KD will play more minutes than they do in the regular season. This doesn’t apply to the Knicks though in regards to…

    7. JK47

      I’m not real optimistic about the Knicks’ upcoming season, but whatever hope I do have comes from the possibility that the Knicks could be an improved defensive team.

      Kenyon Martin joined the team late and played about 400 minutes last year. Assuming he stays even relatively healthy, and averages 20 minutes per game and plays 45 games, that should be more like 900 minutes this year.

      Iman Shumpert played only about 1000 minutes last year, and if he’s healthy all year he’ll be a rotation mainstay, playing more like 2000+ minutes.

      Metta World Peace plays over 2500 minutes every year, and even if he doesn’t start this year I’d expect him to log somewhere around 2000 minutes.

      That’s a lot of minutes we are adding for guys who are good defenders. The main bulk of minutes that are going out the door belonged to Jason Kidd, Steve Novak and Chris Copeland. Kidd was on his last legs and was not a very good defender last year in my opinion, and Novak and Copeland are noted sieves. Sure, Bargnani’s defense is poor, and so is Stoudemire’s, but the Knicks are just one year removed from a season in which they were a top 5 defensive team, with the core of that defense being a healthy Tyson Chandler and a healthy Iman Shumpert. The Knicks have the horses to be a pretty good defensive team if key guys can stay healthy.

    8. Hubert

      Zach Lowe wrote a good handicap of the league
      today:

      http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9790038/ranking-nba-tiers-power-2013-14-season

      I’m a little surprised he joined the circus of people who think Indiana and Brooklyn are on a different tier than the Knicks. He’s a smart enough dude that if he’s on the different side of an argument than me I would question my side of the argument.

      He did, however, at least provide cogent analysis instead of the usual dross we’ve heard all summer:

      “There’s no road map from last year’s below-average defense to the sort of unit any legit contender needs. It’s nice to have Kenyon Martin behind Chandler, but Martin’s 36 with a long injury history, and there are just too many defensive minuses here — too many guards who get smashed on picks, too few weakside rim protectors for when teams put Chandler into the pick-and-roll.”

    9. Hubert

      Mike Kurylo:
      I actually agree with the article, and am gearing all my research towards that style of statistical analysis.

      Did you know that since the three point era no basketball team has won a championship that resides in New York? Yet Woodson has decided that the Knicks are going to play their 2014 home games in Manhattan! When will he learn?

      Honestly my take is that he should give the players helmets, since only New York teams that wear helmets (Football, Baseball, Hockey) have won championships over the last 30 years. Also note that the Rangers didn’t win a championship for 50 years – most of that in the pre-helmet NHL era.

      Not doing either of these ignores irrefutable evidence.

      Great post, Mike. Not going to lie, you had me worried after the first sentence.

    10. Hubert

      Hubert:

      “There’s no road map from last year’s below-average defense to the sort of unit any legit contender needs. It’s nice to have Kenyon Martin behind Chandler, but Martin’s 36 with a long injury history, and there are just too many defensive minuses here — too many guards who get smashed on picks, too few weakside rim protectors for when teams put Chandler into the pick-and-roll.”

      I kind of want to follow up on this. We had top-5 defense in 2011-12. Do we just chalk that up to the shortened season? I don’t want to, so what was the road map that got us from top 5 to below average?

      The four biggest factors, IMO:

      1. more small lineups

      2. less Shumpert

      3. more JR Smith

      4. loss of Jared Jefferies

      Is it inconceivable that the road map back to a strong defense is simply less Melo at the 4, swinging more minutes from JR to Shump, and Artest adequately replacing Jefferies?

    11. Unreason

      Hubert: I kind of want to follow up on this.We had top-5 defense in 2011-12.Do we just chalk that up to the shortened season?I don’t want to, so what was the road map that got us from top 5 to below average?

      The four biggest factors, IMO:

      1. more small lineups

      2. less Shumpert

      3. more JR Smith

      4. loss of Jared Jefferies

      Is it inconceivable that the road map back to a strong defense is simply less Melo at the 4, swinging more minutes from JR to Shump, and Artest adequately replacing Jefferies?

      My impression last year was that the perimeter D (especially that oval-shaped fellow waddling back and forth at the top of the key) couldn’t keep in front of anyone who wasn’t on crutches, or fight through picks, or switch properly. The perimeter D as a whole often seemed slow or slack. I hope they can change that this year, but I’m not sure that more Shump and Beno Kidd will be enough. THJ might surprise, but personally I’m not expecting much. Leslie has the athletic assets to help on that front but seems like a project rather than a contributor if he even manages to avoid the D league.

      If Chandler, K-Mart, and Artest stay healthy, toughness shouldn’t be the liability it was for much of last year. So there’s that at least.

    12. thenamestsam

      Hubert: I kind of want to follow up on this.We had top-5 defense in 2011-12.Do we just chalk that up to the shortened season?I don’t want to, so what was the road map that got us from top 5 to below average?

      The four biggest factors, IMO:

      1. more small lineups
      2. less Shumpert
      3. more JR Smith
      4. loss of Jared Jefferies

      Is it inconceivable that the road map back to a strong defense is simply less Melo at the 4, swinging more minutes from JR to Shump, and Artest adequately replacing Jefferies?

      This has been my hope as well – that this team will recover some of the 2011-2012 team’s defensive mastery, but part of the issue is that I do find it quite difficult to pin a finger on why that 2011-2012 team was so good on defense. Obviously Chandler was amazing, but other than him, Shump and Jefferies there wasn’t a single guy on the roster I’d even label an above-average defender. Take that roster mix and hand it to noted defensive whiz Mike D’Antoni and somehow you get a top 5 defense? Honestly, I do think a lot of it was the shortened season and a helping of randomness.

      So can they improve on last year’s effort? I think so, but to me it looks like the big issue is figuring out how to implement the factors you mention without taking a major step backwards as an offense. This team still has tons of guys who are way better on one end of the court than the other and finding the balance there will be tricky. More Shump (especially at the 2, meaning less 3 guard lineups), a healthy dose of Artest, more 2 big lineups, a healthy dose of Ron-Ron, these things will all help. Unfortunately, none of those is going to be good for the O and finding a way to implement some of those changes without compromising our offensive identity (our biggest strength last year imo) is a big challenge for Woody.

    13. KnickfaninNJ

      The history seems to suggest that D’antoni is better at defense and Woody better on Offense than people thought. Since the Knicks seem to have acquired more offensive firepower than defensive talent in the offseason (they did acquire MWP of course bit I’ll be surprised if he plays more minutes than Bargnani), we could have a really high scoring team this season

    14. ptmilo

      I think you guys are underestimating the extent of Chandler’s fall off last year, when I thought he was more often than not (shockingly) a below average defender. Opponents had an efg% over 51 when Tyson was on the floor last year,, worse than when he was off. Though of course not all his fauly, those two facts are incredibly unusual for a high defensive center. I think Chandler getting healthy or otherwise returning to form are points 1-4 on the Knicks hopes for defensive improvement. MWP does fill a gaping defensive hole from last year, but he is also almost 34 with 30k nba minutes.

    15. JK47

      Why were the 2011-2012 Knicks a good defensive team while the 2012-2013 Knicks were poor? Well, let’s look at the Four Factors:

      2011-2012
      eFG% .485 (12th)
      TOV% 15.9 (2nd)
      DRB% 73.7 (12th)
      FT/FGA .224 (23rd)

      2012-2013
      eFG% .508 (23rd)
      TOV% 14.8 (4th)
      DRB% 74.7 (4th)
      FT/FGA .216 (24th)

      The real killer is eFG% allowed, which fell way off from .485 to .508. Perhaps the small ball lineups, with their lack of length, contributed to the 23 point spike in opponent eFG%. Some of that increase was certainly due to the pedestrian play of Tyson Chandler– maybe he really did deserve that DPOY in 2011-2012.

    16. KnickfaninNJ

      I just read in the Post that Woodson is talking about Smith as a starter at the 2. Wow. If that happens, who is our scorer off the bench?

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