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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Oct 01 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Knicks can offer Melo money, but not rings (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:47:20 GMT)
    There are $30 million reasons why Carmelo Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks because in the NBA, like everywhere else, money talks.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Mills to add staff – maybe Isiah? (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 03:09:27 GMT)
    Steve Mills, the newly installed president and general manager of the Knicks, finally addressed his recent hiring and demotion of Glen Grunwald on Monday. While Mills revealed little of the back-room dealings involving the Garden that led to his hire, he did disclose plans to hire more people to work under him, immediately sparking speculation that he might find a position for Isiah Thomas.    

  • [New York Daily News] Anthony stays Melo about contract situation (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 02:50:07 GMT)
    After a bizarre offseason in which the biggest change to the Knicks was a shift in general managers, Carmelo Anthony had a chance on Monday to alter the discussion, clear the air and offer a little hope and clarity to the situation involving his contract.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Knicks will generate headlines, not wins (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:48:42 GMT)
    The Knicks probably won’t be the best team in town, but if Monday’s media day was any indication of what’s in store this season, then the Nets are going to have an impossible time matching their cross-river rivals when it comes to creating back-page headlines and staging soap operas and all the other silly stuff that don’t really matter.    

  • [New York Times] Heat Head to Bahamas to Start NBA Title Defense (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 07:24:06 GMT)
    For the grind of training camp, the Miami Heat headed to paradise.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Toronto Will Host All-Star Game (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 03:28:50 GMT)
    The N.B.A. All-Star Game will be in Toronto for the first time in 2016.    

  • [New York Times] A Heaping Helping of Personality Adds a Missing Flavor to the ‘Vanilla’ Nets (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 03:08:21 GMT)
    Kevin Garnett will very likely emerge as an outsize presence for a Nets team that Coach Jason Kidd said did not have an identity last season.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks Pick Up Their Option on Woodson for 2014-15 (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 02:32:33 GMT)
    The Knicks announced on Monday that they elected to pick up the option on Coach Mike Woodson’s contract for the 2014-15 season.    

  • [New York Times] Durability of Stoudemire, Once a Star, Is in Question (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:32:43 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire did not have a starring role at the Knicks’ preseason media day as he once did. Instead, he answered questions about his knees and his rehabilitation.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Mixed Opening Lines in Knicks’ Courtship of Anthony (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:02:51 GMT)
    While Steve Mills, the Knicks’ new top executive, made it clear during N.B.A. media day that signing Carmelo Anthony to a contract extension was a priority, the team’s star was more circumspect.    

  • [New York Post] Anthony sidesteps contract talk (Tue, 01 Oct 2013 00:43:11 -0400)
    It’s as much a rite of fall as leaves changing colors and New Yorkers panicking over their pro football teams: Media Day talk of NBA championship aspirations.
    The Knicks were true to form Monday. And they wandered into one other arena of the obvious: Their desire to keep Carmelo Anthony a Knick.
    While the session was laced with talk of re-signing the NBA’s reigning scoring champ, Anthony wasn’t doing the talking.
    “When that time comes, I’ll deal with that,” said Anthony, who can opt out and become a free agent at season’s end. “I’m not going to go through the season thinking about my contract. I’m actually under contract now, so I’m not going to think about what I’m going to [do].
    “I’m not going to keep addressing that situation,” added Anthony, who upon coming to the Knicks in 2011 signed a three-year, $65 million extension with the ability to opt out after 2013-14. “My focus is really on being here, being a Knick, doing what I have to do to: hopefully, win a championship.”
    So others addressed the contract issues for Anthony, who among other tidbits noted, A) his knee and shoulder both feel “great,” although he hasn’t been 100 percent “since I was a little kid,” B) he doesn’t give a hoot some feel the Knicks regressed over the summer, and C) he doesn’t want the pressure of “championship or bust” weighing on the Knicks’ noggins.
    Obviously, the Knicks fell short last season. After tinkering and juggling and front-office shaking, the Knicks return for another try.
    They won’t go anywhere with a subpar Anthony — some feel they won’t even live up to last year. Anthony dismissed those thoughts quicker than the chance to talk contract.
    “I’m not worried about people’s opinions of whe-ther we took a step back,” Anthony said. “As players we know what we have, we know what we can do, we know how good we can be.”
    Knicks brass craves success for obvious reasons, but also as a means to keep Anthony. Kind of tough to sell a star on a rotten environment.
    “We are fortunate to have a player like Carmelo Anthony. He’s one of the superstars who don’t come around very often,” new general manager Steve Mills said. “While it is premature in the process, we have made it very clear we have every intention of making Carmelo a Knick for a long time to come.”
    The best way to do that is to win.
    “For me it’s all about being involved, being a part of a winning organization, a winning atmosphere,” said Anthony, sidestepping the recent Mills-for-Glen Grunwald move.
    “I really don’t know the reason behind Mr. Dolan, Steve Mills and Glen Grunwald. I can’t worry about that.”
    Keeping Anthony is worry enough for the Knicks.
    “There is no doubt that we want Melo in a Knick uniform,” said coach Mike Woodson, whose contract option getting picked up for 2014-15 was the day’s appetizer. “Our ultimate goal is to win a title.”
    For which they need another Carmelo Anthony-like season from Carmelo Anthony. See how all this stuff ties together?
    “I expect him to have a great season, so therefore I expect us to have a great season,” Tyson Chandler said.
    Kenyon Martin insists the star loves New York.
    “It’s the city, man,” Martin said. “People out here love him. It’s home for him. … The city alone should entice him to re-sign. But ultimately, it’s going to be his choice.
    “Personally, I can’t see him going anywhere else.”

  • 29 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Oct 01 2013)

    1. lavor postell

      “The Knicks have between now and July 1 to prove to Anthony that they are building something resembling a contending team. A person familiar with Anthony’s thinking says that Kobe Bryant could be the X-factor in the Knicks’ negotiations with Carmelo. The Lakers will have cap space next summer and if Bryant promises Anthony that together they can make a run at a championship in Los Angeles, Dolan may be doomed.”

      “But it’s a smart play. Wait it out. Worse comes to worst, you take the extra $30 million and stay a Knick for life. Of course, the way things look now, being a Knick for life sounds more like a career death sentence.”

      Isola is actually the worst. I’m sure that as long as Kobe just tells Melo, “We can win championships in LA together” he’ll leave. Also at this point are the Lakers really closer to a championship than the Knicks? I can’t really see him leaving for another team other than maybe Miami, but I also don’t see that happening since now that Mills is here we’ll probably give him the 5-year, $130 mill max deal without thinking twice.

    2. SeeWhyDee77

      I say the team should do whatever it takes to keep Melo. Even if it includes *gasp* 130 mil. I don’t think Melo is the best player in the league, but he is that rare star who opponents have nightmares over. That’s a good start. I hate when people say u can’t build around Melo..or high volume guys like him. But..didn’t AI lead Mutombo-McKie-Lynch-Snow to the finals..and had a legitimate shot at knocking the Lakers off? We let Melo go and that’s bad karma. He’s not Marbury. He is that rare star that the pressure of playing at home, in NY no less, doesn’t affect adversely. Love him or leave him, he’s our guy. And other than LeBron and Durant, I can’t think of a better franchise player to build around. Maybe Rose, but we’ll hafta see what improvements and adjustments he’s made. Oh an Chris Paul. But those guys are not leaving their teams and we have the best of the rest on the roster. And not in the ‘we gott sign somebody- quick grab STAT!’ sense. No knock on STAT because if he were healthy he would have been that guy and Melo probably wouldn’t have taken precedence over a CP3 or Deron Williams. Anyway..so I’m just saying, it’s not like we are at a bad starting point. Sure, we could use better coaching and better management, but those things are always attainable and easier to get than a bonafide star player. That said..Mills HAS to make solid moves that work. Of course the jury is still out on our offseason thus far because the games haven’t been played yet. But I think Grunwald made solid moves with his only miss being not being able to land a true backup for Tyson. Bargnani, Kmart, an STAT can play center..but they are not true backup 5’s that can spell Tyson and not leave us with much drop off from what he does. Plus they all have health issues, Tyson included. Of course if everybody stays healthy then that’s a different discussion.

    3. SeeWhyDee77

      Cont’d
      Now the press releases an such sounds like Dolan wants to build an OKC-Houston-San Antonio style FO. And, he trusts Mills’ business acumen enough to give him that task. That sounds great if he can pull it off. But at the same time, I feel like if he had let Walsh-Grunwald-Gabriel-Warkentien-Houston do their job..we probably would have had a comparable and capable FO. So now..I kinda have mixed feelings on the FO shakeup now, whereas before I was negative on it. Whoever ends up in the FO final copy, we still have to keep Melo. Unless LeBron, Durant, or maybe even Rose gives us a promise lol. Of course is Mills can somehow move STAT for more reliable pieces and not add salary, he will be GOD lol. I probably shouldn’t have faith in Dolan and company given recent history, but I at least wanna see how the next series of moves look relative to what we as fans wanna see and management says they want.

    4. Hubert

      Here’s where I beat my drum about how I think every NBA reporter is missing the boat:

      If all the stars opt in 1 more year and become free agents in 2015, they will make a ton of more money and have so many better choices.

      1. They’ll make more money because the old contracts have 10% annual raises and the new ones have only 5%, and that 5% of $20 million compounded over the life of their next contract is huge.

      2. The only real options for 2014 are teaming up with Kobe, going to Dallas, or Cleveland. If they wait a year, they can go to LA without Kobe taking up 50% of the salary cap, they can still go to Dallas, they can go to NY, they can build a new team in Miami, someone can team up with Derrick Rose, someone can join Westbrook and Durant in OKC, you can build a super team in Phoenix, the options are pretty endless.

      If we’ve learned anything, it’s that NBA stars love money and choices. They’ll have a lot more of both if they opt in.

      Opting in, of course, is the absolute best case scenario for the Knicks :)

    5. Hubert

      SeeWhyDee77:
      But I think Grunwald made solid moves with his only miss being not being able to land a true backup for Tyson. Bargnani, Kmart, an STAT can play center..but they are not true backup 5?s that can spell Tyson and not leave us with much drop off from what he does.

      I disagree on Martin. In today’s NBA he is a perfectly fine backup 5. And any backup 5 is going to give you a real drop off; expecting not much of one is unfair. I think this year, with the re-signing of Martin and the addition of Aldrich, we’re pretty well stocked at C.

    6. SeeWhyDee77

      Hubert: I disagree on Martin. In today’s NBA he is a perfectly fine backup 5. And any backup 5 is going to give you a real drop off; expecting not much of one is unfair. I think this year, with the re-signing of Martin and the addition of Aldrich, we’re pretty well stocked at C.

      If an aging Kmart can stay healthy. Bargnani’s not bad with one on one paint defense..but penetrating guards will eat us alive if he’s at C..ditto for STAT. Kmart’s got great defensive awareness so he can deter enough interior attempts so I like that..I just worry with his age and injury history. If he can stay healthy enough to give us 15-20 effective minutes a night and allow us to rest Tyson sufficiently, then I think this team can be great defensively. To be 6’9″ 240 he does cover a lot of ground and fights hard in the paint. So he is a bigger piece tha most realize.

    7. lavor postell

      Hubert:
      Here’s where I beat my drum about how I think every NBA reporter is missing the boat:

      If all the stars opt in 1 more year and become free agents in 2015, they will make a ton of more money and have so many better choices.

      1. They’ll make more money because the old contracts have 10% annual raises and the new ones have only 5%, and that 5% of $20 million compounded over the life of their next contract is huge.

      2. The only real options for 2014 are teaming up with Kobe, going to Dallas, or Cleveland.If they wait a year, they can go to LA without Kobe taking up 50% of the salary cap, they can still go to Dallas, they can go to NY, they can build a new team in Miami, someone can team up with Derrick Rose, someone can join Westbrook and Durant in OKC, you can build a super team in Phoenix, the options are pretty endless.

      If we’ve learned anything, it’s that NBA stars love money and choices.They’ll have a lot more of both if they opt in.

      Opting in, of course, is the absolute best case scenario for the Knicks :)

      And in Melo’s case why exactly would he go to L.A. with D’Antoni running the show in Laker land? Let’s not let logic get in the way of a good story though.

    8. johnno

      lavor postell: And in Melo’s case why exactly would he go to L.A. with D’Antoni running the show in Laker land? Let’s not let logic get in the way of a good story though.

      Even if D’Antoni weren’t the coach, how in the world twould those two ball-dominant, high volume guys co-exist and be productive? Who is going to pass the ball? Who would defer to whom? Now, if you were talking about teaming Melo up with LeBron — I think that that would be a deadly combination.

    9. lavor postell

      johnno: Even if D’Antoni weren’t the coach, how in the world twould those two ball-dominant, high volume guys co-exist and be productive?Who is going to pass the ball? Who would defer to whom?Now, if you were talking about teaming Melo up with LeBron — I think that that would be a deadly combination.

      We can dream…

    10. mokers

      I think Melo is going to opt out and take a big contract. With the way the new CBA is structured, 36 year olds are more likely to be playing for veteran minimum contracts. Now, Melo could have an abnormal decline phase, get injured at any time or fall off the production cliff at 33 or 34.

      Now, there is a chance with the relationship CAA appears to have with the front office that they Melo opts in, knowing there are other shenanigans that will go his way.

      In any case, I don’t see Melo taking less to get a championship for this contract. Perhaps in 2019 or 2020 when his next big contract is up, he takes Ray Allen deal to go to OKC or teams up with Lebron or another Olympic buddy somewhere, but I don’t see it happening for his next contract.

    11. DRed

      mokers:
      I think Melo is going to opt out and take a big contract. With the way the new CBA is structured, 36 year olds are more likely to be playing for veteran minimum contracts. Now, Melo could have an abnormal decline phase, get injured at any time or fall off the production cliff at 33 or 34.

      Now, there is a chance with the relationship CAA appears to have with the front office that they Melo opts in, knowing there are other shenanigans that will go his way.

      In any case, I don’t see Melo taking less to get a championship for this contract. Perhaps in 2019 or 2020 when his next big contract is up, he takes Ray Allen deal to go to OKC or teams up with Lebron or another Olympic buddy somewhere, but I don’t see it happening for his next contract.

      Anyone who thinks an advanced stats guru like Steve Mills is going to give a 31 year old Carmelo Anthony 130 million dollars is out of his mind.

    12. mokers

      DRed: Anyone who thinks an advanced stats guru like Steve Mills is going to give a 31 year old Carmelo Anthony 130 million dollars is out of his mind.

      I am a huge Melo fan and yet I still don’t want to pay for years 34-36 at 31 million for sure. But if the advanced stat used to evaluate is either THCJHEP (The Honorable Cock Jowles Head Explosions Produced) or TDA% (True Dred Apoplectic Percentage), then Carmelo is a bargain at 31 million per.

    13. JK47

      Frank:
      According to Twitter Bargnani is wearing a starter’s jersey today.

      No, no, that can’t be right. I thought he was only going to play 10 minutes a game in the Novak role.

      Andrea Bargnani, Knicks starting power forward. Please kill me.

    14. DRed

      mokers: I am a huge Melo fan and yet I still don’t want to pay for years 34-36 at 31 million for sure. But if the advanced stat used to evaluate is either THCJHEP (The Honorable Cock Jowles Head Explosions Produced) or TDA% (True Dred Apoplectic Percentage), then Carmelo is a bargain at 31 million per.

      haha. Indeed. Sadly I don’t think TDAP correlates well with winning%.

    15. Frank

      JK47: No, no, that can’t be right.I thought he was only going to play 10 minutes a game in the Novak role.

      Andrea Bargnani, Knicks starting power forward.Please kill me.

      I’m actually perfectly fine with Bargnani in the starting lineup. I think I’d rather have Felton/Prigioni/Shump/Melo/Chandler but I think a Felton/Shump/Melo/Bargnani/Chandler lineup makes a fair amount of sense. You surround Melo with 3 shooters which IMHO was the reason he did well at the 4 last year (ie. the 3 shooters are what made the offense good, not just that he was playing against 4’s). You surround Bargnani with three very good rebounders for their positions (Shump/Melo/Chandler) and protect him on defense with Tyson. And in return he can be maybe one of the most potent 3rd or 4th (after Tyson PNR-Smash and Melo) options in the league.

      And we are at least 10 deep now with Felton, Prigioni, Udrih, Shump, JR, Melo, Bargnani, MWP, K-mart, and Tyson all probably capable of producing in big minutes. That’s not even counting someone like Hardaway Jr who will probably play some too. Hopefully that means guys like Tyson, Pablo, Bargnani, MWP, and JR can all be in the mid-20s in minutes (maybe 28 or so for Tyson).

    16. thenamestsam

      JK47: No, no, that can’t be right.I thought he was only going to play 10 minutes a game in the Novak role.

      Andrea Bargnani, Knicks starting power forward.Please kill me.

      Well there’s a difference between Novak’s role and Novak’s minutes load. The hope is that Bargnani is capable of being a more versatile offensively Novak who is also marginally better on D and on the glass. There’s reason to doubt just about 100% of that, but if he is in fact a better Novak then I don’t think a starting spot is insane.

      Anyway worrying about who wears a blue pinny and who wears an orange one in the 1st practice of training camp seems a little hyperbolic to me.

    17. DRed

      thenamestsam: Well there’s a difference between Novak’s role and Novak’s minutes load. The hope is that Bargnani is capable of being a more versatile offensively Novak who is also marginally better on D and on the glass. There’s reason to doubt just about 100% of that, but if he is in fact a better Novak then I don’t think a starting spot is insane.

      Anyway worrying about who wears a blue pinny and who wears an orange one in the 1st practice of training camp seems a little hyperbolic to me.

      Definitely way too soon to panic. Our new analytics heavy front office won’t stand for his inefficient production unless he drastically changes his playing style, and once he learns the defensive rotations he’ll only kill us in terms of rebounding. Hell, maybe his superior boxing out will even help the rest of the team.

    18. JK47

      Bargs is slightly better than Novak at defense and rebounding, which is like being slightly better than Courtney Love at sobriety.

      But then there’s this:

      Career 3PT%
      Novak .433
      Bargnani .361

      That’s a 72 point advantage for Novak by my count. Is his “marginal” edge in rebounding and defense worth 72 points of three point shooting? Meh, I don’t know about this.

    19. ruruland

      JK47:
      Bargs is slightly better than Novak at defense and rebounding, which is like being slightly better than Courtney Love at sobriety.

      But then there’s this:

      Career 3PT%
      Novak .433
      Bargnani .361

      That’s a 72 point advantage for Novak by my count.Is his “marginal” edge in rebounding and defense worth 72 points of three point shooting?Meh, I don’t know about this.

      You think career 3pt % is the best way to measure the difference in offensive efficiency and project?

      Somehow I think there are smarter ways to approach it.

      Also, slightly better at defense and rebounding?

      Novak has a career rebound percentage of 6.0, but was 5.4 and 5.9 the last two years, neither of which he was dealing with injuries like AB has been the last two seasons.

      Bargnani has a career rebound percentage of 9.4%.

      How big is a 3.4 % difference in rebound rate?

      It’s more than the separation between Pablo Prigioni and Jason Kidd last year.

      More subjectively, AB does block out well, and some recent studies show that may be just as important or more important than collecting the rebound.

      He’s also a good post defender. Novak is probably the worst defensive player in the NBA.

      So I’d argue the difference is more than slight.

      You certainly don’t want AB to be your primary rim protector, but alongside a TC he can hold his own many nights, and his ability to take up space and keep his man from getting good rebound position should free the Knicks backcourt to swoop in, just as Melo did last year.

      Expect Melo’s rebound rate to go up this year playing more small forward, counter-intuitive as it may seem…

      AS for the offense??

    20. ruruland

      As I’ve written previously, over the last four years, Bargnani has been one of the best pick and roll (pick and pop) and spot-up big men in the NBA.

      When you combine his shots in both categories he is only behind Dirk Nowitzki and Ryan Anderson in PPP. He is ahead of Kevin Love in both categories.

      We can look closer. The last two years he’s battled injuries that have clearly affected his shooting: he’s shot 30 percent from three the last two years.

      He was a 37 % 3-pt shooter going into 2011. And he was a 37.5 % 3-pt shooter in the Chris Bosh era, prior to becoming the number one option and seeing his usage climb from 22 to 28 percent, and his true shooting percentage drop by about 30 points.

      What are the differences in skill and utilization between Novak (career 15.6 usage) and AB (career 24.1 5 usage)?

      Isolation/post-up play percentage and PPS between 2009-2013

      AB 2013
      Post-ups 14.9 %, .86 PPP. Isolation 10.2%, .79 PPP
      Novak 2013
      Post-ups ZERO, Isolations .9 % (91 percent of Novak’s possessions were spot-ups/transition/off-screen).

      AB 2012
      Isolation 16.7%, .94 (ranked 18th). Post-ups 9.7 %. .93 PPP
      Novak 2012
      Isolation/Post up 10 plays. (86 percent of his shots were spot-ups/transtion/off-screen)

      AB 2011
      Isolation 19.2% .92, post-up 19.4 % .95 ppp

      AB 2010
      8.7% .81, 16.1 % .91

      AB’s PPP on spot-ups, off-screens, transition and pnr/pop

      2009: 1.03 pnr, 1.11 spot-up, .91 off-screen, transition .9
      2010: 1.1 pnr, .93 spot-up, .94 off-screen, 1.06 transition
      2011:.98 pnr, 1.04 spot-up, .81 off-screen, .92 transition
      2012: 1 pnr, .92 spot-up, .52 off-screen, .84 transition

      True, Bargnani at his best is not as good as Novak as a spot-up shooter.

      But with a change in shot distribution, AB can certainly improve his shooting efficiency and still have a much higher usage than Novak.

      How does the comparison change when we consider that AB will be attacking close-outs instead of re-setting offense when his…

    21. ruruland

      shot isn’t there?

      What about the ability to take advantage of mismatches?

      What about allowing other good shooters to take the corner spot in the double pnr?

      I personally think this particular roster and offensive style will allow AB to have a career best season.

      But there’s very little risk. He won’t play if his offense isn’t there, not with a deep/versatile bench.

    22. DRed

      Novak has a career rebound percentage of 6.0, but was 5.4 and 5.9 the last two years, neither of which he was dealing with injuries like AB has been the last two seasons.

      Bargnani has a career rebound percentage of 9.4%.

      How big is a 3.4 % difference in rebound rate?

      It’s more than the separation between Pablo Prigioni and Jason Kidd last year.

      Novak is a small forward. He should have a lower rebound rate than a center, no? They are both terrible rebounders.

    23. ruruland

      Eh, most of Novak’s minutes were at the 4 last year. The minutes he played at 3 alongside Melo/Copeland will be the exact kind of lineups Bargnani will play alongside Melo, moving Melo to small forward.

      http://www.82games.com/1213/12NYK10.HTM

      So, again, Bargnani is likely to replace Novak’s minutes, and therefore warrants a 1-1 comparison with him. The rebounding will improve with AB taking Novak’s minutes.

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