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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, May 14 2013)

  • [New York Post] Felton must rediscover value that made fans forget about Jeremy (Tue, 14 May 2013 01:46:18 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- Raymond Felton has spent most of his season reminding us why he was the perfect choice +IBQ- really, the only choice +IBQ- to fill the void left by the departure of Jeremy Lin. The two men might have posted similar numbers this season +IBQ- Lin: 13.4 points, 6.1 assists and…

  • [New York Post] Carmelo confused by Chandler’s rips (Tue, 14 May 2013 02:36:53 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- The Knicks are bickering about their impotent offense as they enter tonight’s humongous Game 4 at Bankers Life Fieldhouse in disarray.
    It’s all going haywire for the Knicks at the wrong time, trailing the Pacers 2-1 in their second-round series. Call them the Bickerbockers.
    Carmelo Anthony was…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Shumpert says he’s Game 4 go despite sore knee (Tue, 14 May 2013 03:09:55 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- During a drive to the basket on Saturday, Iman Shumpert had a scary fall to the court, his legs doing an ugly split.
    It’s a spill that may affect him tonight.
    Shumpert, the Knicks’ second-year swingman who has been invaluable in the postseason, did not practice yesterday due…

  • [New York Post] Smith still trying to +IBgAUwBo-ake’ flu (Tue, 14 May 2013 02:07:55 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- J.R. Smith missed practice again yesterday and was called “a game-time decision” by coach Mike Woodson. But there’s good news on Smith’s health as he was reportedly spotted Sunday at about 10:30 p.m. at Steak & Shake.
    Smith was seen at the downtown Indianapolis landmark…

  • [New York Post] Knicks must find a way to steal victory in Indy (Tue, 14 May 2013 01:31:16 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- All they had to do was win one game on the road, and they would have been champions. All John Starks had to do was shoot a 3 over Hakeem Olajuwon at the end of Game 6 of the 1994 NBA Finals at the Summit, and they might have…

  • [New York Post] Trouble with a 2-1 lead is Indy past (Tue, 14 May 2013 00:21:58 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- Today’s lesson for the Pacers: “Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.+IB0-
    So remember last season in the playoffs. The Pacers were up 2-1 against Miami. They had Game 4 at home.
    They lost three straight.
    So Indiana coach Frank Vogel wholeheartedly agreed with…

  • [New York Post] Hibbert snubbed for All-+IBgARA-’ (Tue, 14 May 2013 00:21:49 -0500)
    INDIANAPOLIS +IBQ- Did you hear the one about the 7-foot-2 center who was fourth in the league in blocks, has confounded a high-scoring Knicks team in the playoffs with his inside presence and yet was found nowhere on the NBA’s All-Defensive teams?Yeah, the Pacers also thought it was a…

  • [New York Daily News] Tyson’s selfish remarks get Melo’s attention (Tue, 14 May 2013 07:01:36 GMT)
    There is now internal strife to go along with injury and illness. That’s a bad combination at any point in the season, but especially on the eve of the franchise’s most important road game in over a decade. So if you didn’t think the Knicks were in trouble before, think again.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Shump skips practice with sore knee (Tue, 14 May 2013 07:01:09 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert missed practice Monday due to soreness in his surgically repaired left knee, but the second-year small forward expects to play in Game 4 Tuesday night against the Pacers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Outplaying Chander its own reward for Pacers’ Hibbert (Tue, 14 May 2013 05:28:10 GMT)
    Roy Hibbert mostly has dominated Tyson Chandler at both ends through three games of the Eastern Conference semifinals, but that overwhelming discrepancy wasn’t reflected when the NBA’s All-Defensive teams were revealed Monday.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: MSG boxes out blame on Melo (Tue, 14 May 2013 05:09:58 GMT)
    Bernard King’s “self-imposed+IB0- Twitter exodus had a trickle-down effect. Either that, or Carmelo Anthony was so invisible in the second half of Knicks’ 82-71 loss to the Pacers in Game 3, the voices couldn’t even see him. Jeff Van Gundy should hit the eye chart.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Bickering no cure for ailing Knicks (Tue, 14 May 2013 03:33:23 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler can’t stop Roy Hibbert from scoring or pulling down offensive rebounds in this playoff series and now the big Knick center has started in with Carmelo Anthony about being too selfish. What’s wrong with that picture? Well, where do you want to start?    

  • [New York Daily News] Rejected! Hibbert snubbed as Chandler makes All-D team (Tue, 14 May 2013 02:07:34 GMT)
    Roy Hibbert mostly has dominated Tyson Chandler at both ends through three games of the Eastern Conference semifinals, but that overwhelming discrepancy was not reflected when the NBA’s All-Defensive teams were revealed Monday.    

  • [New York Times] With Laimbeer as Coach, Retooled Liberty Excited (Tue, 14 May 2013 07:38:25 GMT)
    One week into their first training camp under Bill Laimbeer, the New York Liberty are full of excitement and optimism.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Thunder in OT for 3-1 Series Lead (Tue, 14 May 2013 07:29:05 GMT)
    Lionel Hollins demands a certain standard from his Grizzlies that he didn’t get in the first half against Oklahoma City.    

  • [New York Times] James, Heat Beat Bulls 88-65 for 3-1 Series Lead (Tue, 14 May 2013 07:21:12 GMT)
    The way this series is turning out, it’s hard to believe the Miami Heat ever trailed the Chicago Bulls.    

  • [New York Times] Column: Little Engine That Could Runs Out of Steam (Tue, 14 May 2013 07:20:59 GMT)
    The little engine that could finally threw a gear.    

  • [New York Times] Grizzlies Beat Thunder in OT for 3-1 Series Lead (Tue, 14 May 2013 06:29:06 GMT)
    The Grizzlies pulled off a huge rally to move within a victory of the franchise’s first Western Conference final.    

  • [New York Times] Game 4: Grizzlies 103, Thunder 97 (OT): N.B.A. Playoffs +IBQ- Memphis Takes 3-1 Lead (Tue, 14 May 2013 05:04:16 GMT)
    Trailing by 17 points in the first half, the host Grizzlies rallied and left the Oklahoma City Thunder on the brink of elimination.    

  • [New York Times] Heat 88, Bulls 65: Heat Rout Bulls to Take 3-1 Series Lead (Tue, 14 May 2013 03:14:11 GMT)
    Led by LeBron James, the Heat nearly matched a franchise record for fewest points allowed in a playoff game, while pounding the listless and short-handed Bulls in Game 4.    

  • [New York Times] Game 4: Heat 88, Bulls 65: N.B.A. Playoffs +IBQ- Heat Roll Over Bulls (Tue, 14 May 2013 02:35:42 GMT)
    The injury-riddled Bulls failed to get much of anything going on offense as the Heat, led by LeBron James, cruised to a 3-1 series lead to put Chicago on the brink of elimination.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: N.B.A. Playoffs +IBQ- Bulls’ Physical Play vs. LeBron James Is Familiar (Tue, 14 May 2013 01:10:27 GMT)
    Coach Tom Thibodeau, facing LeBron James with a depleted roster, has his team employing tactics that had limited success against Chicago’s own Michael Jordan.    

  • [New York Times] Mixed Martial Arts Evoke the Hard Side of Hibbert (Tue, 14 May 2013 01:03:19 GMT)
    The success of Pacers center Roy Hibbert in the second-round playoff series against the Knicks is a testament to his mixed martial arts training and evolving offensive game.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Playoffs +IBQ- Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony Says He’ll Be More Aggressive (Tue, 14 May 2013 00:49:24 GMT)
    Facing implicit criticism for not moving the ball around, Carmelo Anthony says he will still come out shooting in Game 4 against the Pacers on Tuesday.    

  • 98 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, May 14 2013)

    1. Hubert Davis

      For those of us who cross watch with our hockey tenants, this could be such an epic spring if the Knicks don’t f it all up tonight.

      Thursday night has Knicks-Pacers at 7, Rangers-Bruins at 7:30. That should be awesome.

    2. Juany8

      I’ve been overly optimistic about the Knicks chances this seasons but I have a terrible feeling about tonight. Everyone seems to be breaking down and Tyson chandler apperently read wins produced and decided that he needs more offensive touches against Roy Hibbert instead of focusing in the fact that Hibbert is averaging about as many rebounds per game as Chandler has for the whole series.

    3. er

      Juany8: I’ve been overly optimistic about the Knicks chances this seasons but I have a terrible feeling about tonight. Everyone seems to be breaking down and Tyson chandler apperently read wins produced and decided that he needs more offensive touches against Roy Hibbert instead of focusing in the fact that Hibbert is averaging about as many rebounds per game as Chandler has for the whole series.

      i feel confident for some reason. Maybe i just have blind faith , but i feel a big melo game and the necessary help ie felton,jr,stat ,copeland will show up

    4. d-mar

      Juany8:
      I’ve been overly optimistic about the Knicks chances this seasons but I have a terrible feeling about tonight. Everyone seems to be breaking down and Tyson chandler apperently read wins produced and decided that he needs more offensive touches against Roy Hibbert instead of focusing in the fact that Hibbert is averaging about as many rebounds per game as Chandler has for the whole series.

      I don’t know, I feel like the more desperate team will win each game this series – Knicks win tonight and Thurs. (don’t want to go back to Indy down 3-2) Indy wins game 6 and then it comes down to a tossup game 7 at MSG. And right now I think we’d all sign up for a 7 game series.

    5. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Juany8:
      I’ve been overly optimistic about the Knicks chances this seasons but I have a terrible feeling about tonight. Everyone seems to be breaking down and Tyson chandler apperently read wins produced and decided that he needs more offensive touches against Roy Hibbert instead of focusing in the fact that Hibbert is averaging about as many rebounds per game as Chandler has for the whole series.

      You mean PER.

    6. Hubert Davis

      I’m kind of hoping that Tyson was sufficiently shamed behind closed doors and shown video of his “effort” in game 3 and plays tonight with something to prove.

      He’s getting punked. People here are calling him Hibbert’s bitch (a term I objected to but can hardly argue). He was getting laughed at by the national media yesterday.

      If he can’t respond tonight, he’s finished for the playoffs and so are we.

      Here’s hoping for the return of T-Bot 1000.

    7. Hubert Davis

      Frank:
      Shump knee swollen. Orthopedist flying in. No bueno.

      Did you guys see the spill he took in game 3? I remember thinking he tore his MCL again.

    8. johnlocke

      If Shumpert can’t go. Woody should start Copeland. Copeland should guard West and Melo needs to guard George.

      Felton, Prigs, Melo, Copeland, Chandler gives us 4 capable shooters, three guys who aren’t shy about shooting when open, and alleviates some of the beating that Melo is taking from West. West also needs to guard Copeland.

      What will Woodson do? Who the hell knows.

      I’m hoping we make at least some of the adjustments, we’ve all been discussing but if JR is sick, Kenyon is sick, Melo has a bum shoulder and Chandler shows up with no energy, we are just simply screwed unless Melo goes OFF. Unfortunately, I just haven’t seen the same bounce from Melo to think he is capable of abusing George and going off for an efficient 35+ point game.

    9. Garson

      If Shump can’t make it I can see Woodson going with a token start of Copeland which many of you i feel would not have a problem with.

      However I feel its time to throw a curveball and start Camby.

      Camby Chandler vs West Hibbert would at least alleviate the offensive rebounding numbers to start the game. I also feel when camby get the ball, he opens looks to cutters (we have cutters ?) and has the tendency to feed chandler/melo deeper in the post for east buckets.

    10. Loathing

      There’s been a lot of scuttlebutt from many talking heads that Chandler is still playing hurt. Would explain a lot…Who here would go big if Shump can’t go and who would go small? I heard a vote for Shump, I’d say start Martin to guard West and (scary thought) bring Barron off the bench for a few to give the bigs a breather once Amar’e is done for the night.

    11. Juany8

      Mike Kurylo: You mean PER.

      Not sure why you think I meant PER to be honest. WP is the statistic that says Tyson chandler is a top 10 offensive player, PER calls him decent if I remember correctly (I don’t keep up with PER lol).

    12. Hubert Davis

      Garson:

      However I feel its time to throw a curveball and start Camby.

      That would be a very Woodson thing to do.

    13. Loathing

      Check that…I didn’t mean start Shump for Shump if Shump can’t go…that’d be silly. I meant I’ve seen a few votes for Cope. Bleah…coffee’s not hit yet…I’ma go back to sleep now.

    14. mcliff05

      Knicks have played well every time their backs were against the wall so far. Lets hope they keep their heads. Forget who said it on this board going into game 6 at Boston, but everyone wear your lucky everything tonight!

    15. johnlocke

      If Woodson and Dumb are synonyms I guess you’d be right.
      Having three non-offensive threats (Chandler, Camby, Prigs) on the floor against the best defense in the league is just crazy. The Pacers scored 80 points last game. Our problem really isn’t defense. Our offense has been terrible. What I like about Copeland is that he is a diverse offensive player. He can drag West out to the three point line, he can post smaller players and he can take his defender off the dribble from close outs. We need some more offensive flexibility, stand-still shooters at the three point line (Prigs, Novak, Kidd) are really not that helpful when the Pacers are not leaving the three point line…

      Hubert Davis: That would be a very Woodson thing to do.

    16. Mike Kurylo Post author

      Juany8: Not sure why you think I meant PER to be honest. WP is the statistic that says Tyson chandler is a top 10 offensive player, PER calls him decent if I remember correctly (I don’t keep up with PER lol).

      PER overvalues shot creation. WP gives lots of credence to rebounding (which Chandler is not doing).

    17. massive

      I’m really worried about Shumpert. If he goes down, Paul George will take over this series. George has had 12 turnovers in the past two games primarily due to Shump’s outstanding ball-pressure. Not only that, but I really like the kid. I don’t want this to be another bad break for him in his 2nd season.

    18. Garson

      yellowboy90:
      I am afraid Q Rich may get to start

      I was relived as i read that “flight” white was deactivated as he would be my first guess…. Now that you bring us Q, i am unsettled once again.

    19. Juany8

      Mike Kurylo: PER overvalues shot creation. WP gives lots of credence to rebounding (which Chandler is not doing).

      This is true, I was just focusing on the fact that you would expect good offensive players to want more touches, and WP makes the claim that chandler is a superstar offensive player. So if he read their site he might ask why he’s no allowed to shoot more.

    20. Frank O.

      Hope Shump is okay. He is turning into a serious player.

      But any thought about moving Melo back to the three, running a guard rotation of Felton, Prigs, Kidd and JR?
      Then run a rotation of Martin, Amare, and Copeland at the four, with Martin moving to the 5 with Tyson and Camby?
      You give Melo a blow with Richardson and very limited minutes for White?

      Shump has become such an important piece. Not sure they get by Boston without him.

    21. Nick C.

      Hopefully it doesn’t come to that. If he starts Q then he is officially a veteran fetishist. But Curry was game time decision with the constant ankle injuries and played so let’s hope that’s how it is with Shump.

    22. thenamestsam

      yellowboy90:
      I am afraid Q Rich may get to start

      Me too. Or maybe even a little James White action.

      The obvious solution to me seems to be to start JR. I understood Woody’s hesitation to do it when JR was in a good rhythm, was comfortable with the unit he was playing his minutes with, was important to keeping that 2nd team offense humming, etc. But right now I don’t think any of those justifications holds water. JR is in a huge funk, clearly isn’t comfortable in his role, etc. And besides tonight is damn close to a must-win game. The best players should be playing big minutes, which means there shouldn’t be much of a first-team/second-team separation. I’d start him and hope that playing with the other best offensive players can get him a couple open looks and get him in some kind of offensive groove. I think it’s time to stir the pot a little.

    23. Frank O.

      Frank O.:
      Hope Shump is okay. He is turning into a serious player.

      But any thought about moving Melo back to the three, running a guard rotation of Felton, Prigs, Kidd and JR?
      Then run a rotation of Martin, Amare, and Copeland at the four, with Martin moving to the 5 with Tyson and Camby?
      You give Melo a blow with Richardson and very limited minutes for White?

      Shump has become such an important piece. Not sure they get by Boston without him.

      Ah, right. JR can play at the 3.

    24. er

      heatfanguy: Build em up to break em down! God i love hearing the delusional analysis from this website on a daily basis from my coworker. Let me lay it out for you: The Knicks are an absolute joke. The “leader” of the team cares about one thing and one thing only – getting his, and with that me first mentality the knicks will never be anything better than the #2 seed in the East, which is a joke of a conference on a side note. The knicks contract situation is hysterical, as in funny. They gave a guy with two broken knees a max contract and blew their amnesty on chauncy to get Tyson Chandler, and oh by the way how is Tyson working out so far? Yah. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Joker franchise from the top down. It is sooooooo fun to watch you guys get a glimmer of hope just to see it crumble perennially. Oh and I have 100$ on who gets farther… the heat or the knicks. How do you blog nerds feel about that bet right now? *writher*

      DIE

    25. massive

      I think the 2 guard, 2 forward approach is the way to go against Indy. Hansbrough and West cannot guard Copeland or Anthony, and Paul George will be on Melo no matter what. So by starting the two together, we’re guaranteed a mismatch to start the game. Add to that Copeland is probably our best 3 point shooting threat against the Pacers because of the mismatch of being guarded by a 4.

      I also don’t hate the idea of playing Q Rich. He can shoot threes and foul someone. That’s enough against an offensively challenged team in the Pacers.

    26. johnlocke

      Paul George take over the series? He averaged 17 points per game on 42% shooting during the regular season. He’s a great all around player, but no offensive juggernaut. Melo or Kidd are capable of keeping him in front of them I think. And it’s not like Melo is getting a break by battling with West on every possession. In the 2 games Indy won, George shot 9-31 from the field. Again, our issue is our anemic offense against a really good defense. We need to put some X-factor scorers out on the floor…and stop playing guys like Kidd who haven’t scored in 8 games so many minutes. Felton, JR and Cope need to score and somewhat efficiently along with Melo. Would be nice if Chandler got 10+ points as well. And for the love, BOX OUT!

      massive:
      I’m really worried about Shumpert. If he goes down, Paul George will take over this series. George has had 12 turnovers in the past two games primarily due to Shump’s outstanding ball-pressure. Not only that, but I really like the kid. I don’t want this to be another bad break for him in his 2nd season.

    27. Frank O.

      heatfanguy:
      Build em up to break em down!God i love hearing the delusional analysis from this website on a daily basis from my coworker.Let me lay it out for you:The Knicks are an absolute joke.The “leader” of the team cares about one thing and one thing only – getting his, and with that me first mentality the knicks will never be anything better than the #2 seed in the East, which is a joke of a conference on a side note.The knicks contract situation is hysterical, as in funny.They gave a guy with two broken knees a max contract and blew their amnesty on chauncy to get Tyson Chandler, and oh by the way how is Tyson working out so far?Yah.Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.Joker franchise from the top down.It is sooooooo fun to watch you guys get a glimmer of hope just to see it crumble perennially.Oh and I have 100$ on who gets farther… the heat or the knicks.How do you blog nerds feel about that bet right now?*writher*

      *snicker*
      You have to be 18 or older to post here.
      Here’s a good site for you: http://www.nbahooptroop.com/nba-hoop-troop-arena

    28. thenamestsam

      heatfanguy:
      Build em up to break em down!God i love hearing the delusional analysis from this website on a daily basis from my coworker.Let me lay it out for you:The Knicks are an absolute joke.The “leader” of the team cares about one thing and one thing only – getting his, and with that me first mentality the knicks will never be anything better than the #2 seed in the East, which is a joke of a conference on a side note.The knicks contract situation is hysterical, as in funny.They gave a guy with two broken knees a max contract and blew their amnesty on chauncy to get Tyson Chandler, and oh by the way how is Tyson working out so far?Yah.Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.Joker franchise from the top down.It is sooooooo fun to watch you guys get a glimmer of hope just to see it crumble perennially.Oh and I have 100$ on who gets farther… the heat or the knicks.How do you blog nerds feel about that bet right now?*writher*

      Oh man what a bold and insightful fan you are. You bet on the defending champions, a team that won 66 games and went on the 2nd longest winning streak in history, to make it further than the Knicks. We all bow down to your superior basketball knowledge.

    29. iserp

      Frank O.: But any thought about moving Melo back to the three, running a guard rotation of Felton, Prigs, Kidd and JR?

      Yes please. The purpose of going small with Melo at the 4 is to attack their PF, but they are hiding West on Kidd!! At least go big, so their guards dont get as many rebounds as they have.

    30. Frank

      thenamestsam: Oh man what a bold and insightful fan you are. You bet on the defending champions, a team that won 66 games and went on the 2nd longest winning streak in history, to make it further than the Knicks. We all bow down to your superior basketball knowledge.

      ignore the troll and he will go away

    31. JK47

      You know, heatfanguy, I grew up in South Florida, and you are the typical front-running, mouth breathing idiot asshole sports “fan” that lives down there. I left that shithole the second I had the opportunity, because I hated being constantly surrounded by tasteless morons in a place where the epitome of “culture” is Jimmy Buffet records and jello shooters.

      So enjoy your little basketball team. It’s pretty much all that fetid swamp has going for it.

    32. johnlocke

      Congrats on your $100. Now GTFO!

      heatfanguy: Yea i bet on them when the knicks were 18-5 and the heat were something a little worse.Just betting another delusional knicksfanguy.And thank you, you should bow down.

    33. Frank O.

      JK47:
      You know, heatfanguy, I grew up in South Florida, and you are the typical front-running, mouth breathing idiot asshole sports “fan” that lives down there.I left that shithole the second I had the opportunity, because I hated being constantly surrounded by tasteless morons in a place where the epitome of “culture” is Jimmy Buffet records and jello shooters.

      So enjoy your little basketball team.It’s pretty much all that fetid swamp has going for it.

      hahahaha!

    34. Frank

      if Shump can’t play (and to be honest, I wouldn’t play him at this point even if he doesn’t have a serious injury), then we should start Copeland. I want no part of James White or Quentin Richardson in a big spot, and at least Copeland brings something on the offensive end. And the thing about Cope (that someone mentioned above) – he is not shy about pulling the trigger when he has some space. And he requires less space given he is 6’9″ and not 6’5″ like Shump.

      Our problem is on offense, and part of that problem is that players are not shooting when they are open. We’re not going to have super-clean shots for the most part against this defense, so we need to take the shots when we have them.

    35. Frank O.

      Frank O.: hahahaha!

      It’s like a guy finds a $100 bill on the sidewalk and uses that as a basis for bragging at his brilliant fiscal acumen.
      Childish.

    36. er

      JK47: You know, heatfanguy, I grew up in South Florida, and you are the typical front-running, mouth breathing idiot asshole sports “fan” that lives down there. I left that shithole the second I had the opportunity, because I hated being constantly surrounded by tasteless morons in a place where the epitome of “culture” is Jimmy Buffet records and jello shooters.So enjoy your little basketball team. It’s pretty much all that fetid swamp has going for it.

      you didnt really leave s.FL just cuz of trolls did you?

    37. Loathing

      heatfanguy: Yea i bet on them when the knicks were 18-5 and the heat were something a little worse.Just betting another delusional knicksfanguy.And thank you, you should bow down.

      You know what kills trolls? FIRE!

    38. JK47

      er: you didnt really leave s.FL just cuz of trolls did you?

      No, I left because South Florida sucks in every conceivable, possible way.

    39. Loathing

      JK47: No, I left because South Florida sucks in every conceivable, possible way.

      Palm Beach County is a nice area, but yeah, I wouldn’t set foot in Dade if you paid me Heatfanguy’s hundred bux.

    40. Spree8nyk8

      JK47: No, I left because South Florida sucks in every conceivable, possible way.

      Everytime I’ve ever left South Florida I’ve left in the swiftest way possible, I feel you on that one brotha.

    41. Caleb

      Spree8nyk8:
      jesus man, Shumpert now?Do we ever catch a break with this shit?

      That’s why I don’t give Derrick Rose any crap…

      I’ll leave it to the docs but I’d be very careful with Shump.

      I don’t think Tyson’s been close to 100%. Hoping the days off will help. As stupid as these long schedule breaks are, they help the Knicks more than the Pacers.

    42. Spree8nyk8

      Caleb: That’s why I don’t give Derrick Rose any crap…

      I’ll leave it to the docs but I’d be very careful with Shump.

      I don’t think Tyson’s been close to 100%. Hoping the days off will help. As stupid as these long schedule breaks are, they help the Knicks more than the Pacers.

      They don’t think the swelling is related to the ACL, it’s probably just a bad bruise, but either way if it keeps him out of the game that would be horrific

    43. Hubert Davis

      johnlocke:
      If Woodson and Dumb are synonyms I guess you’d be right.
      Having three non-offensive threats (Chandler, Camby, Prigs) on the floor against the best defense in the league is just crazy. The Pacers scored 80 points last game. Our problem really isn’t defense. Our offense has been terrible. What I like about Copeland is that he is a diverse offensive player. He can drag West out to the three point line, he can post smaller players and he can take his defender off the dribble from close outs. We need some more offensive flexibility, stand-still shooters at the three point line (Prigs, Novak, Kidd) are really not that helpful when the Pacers are not leaving the three point line…

      He has not been shy about playing three non-offensive threats at the same time.

      Is Chandler, Camby, and Prigs really any worse than Chandler, Martin, and Kidd? Or Kidd, Prigioni, and Chandler? Or Chandler, Kidd, and JR Smith with a 102 degree fever?

    44. MarvsTeeth

      Guyz,

      I had a pretty gruesome dream last night. It goes to show how backward my priorities are that after a night of having a heart-to-heart with my girlfriend about potentially breaking up, the thing I ended up dreaming about was the Knicks. But anyway, here it is:

      The Knicks are down 100-97. They have 13 seconds left in the 4th and are inbounding from the Pacer’s side of the court. For some inexplicable reason (several injuries during the game?), Chris Copeland gets the ball and rushes down the court. Smartly, he puts up a top of the key three pointer to try to tie it right away (with about 6 seconds left) so that if he misses, we still have time for an OREB.

      It’s a complete brick. 4 seconds left. JR gets a finger on the ball, tips it up in the air, and it all hangs in the balance for a minute. He jumps again and takes possession of the loose ball on the right side of the paint. Channeling his best Reggie he desperately dribbles out beyond the arc. His contested, rushed turnaround jumper from the right-center side of the three point line (the fourth rack spot in the 3-point contest) clanks off the back off the rim. Not even close. Buzzer. Buzz kill. 3-1. Season over.

      Let’s hope I am not prescient.

    45. Loathing

      MarvsTeeth:
      Guyz,

      I had a pretty gruesome dream last night. It goes to show how backward my priorities are that after a night of having a heart-to-heart with my girlfriend about potentially breaking up, the thing I ended up dreaming about was the Knicks. But anyway, here it is:

      The Knicks are down 100-97. They have 13 seconds left in the 4th and are inbounding from the Pacer’s side of the court. For some inexplicable reason (several injuries during the game?), Chris Copeland gets the ball and rushes down the court. Smartly, he puts up a top of the key three pointer to try to tie it right away (with about 6 seconds left) so that if he misses, we still have time for an OREB.

      It’s a complete brick. 4 seconds left. JR gets a finger on the ball, tips it up in the air, and it all hangs in the balance for a minute. He jumps again and takes possession of the loose ball on the right side of the paint. Channeling his best Reggie he desperately dribbles out beyond the arc. His contested, rushed turnaround jumper from the right-center side of the three point line (the fourth rack spot in the 3-point contest) clanks off the back off the rim. Not even close. Buzzer. Buzz kill. 3-1. Season over.

      Let’s hope I am not prescient.

      We’re safe…Indy can’t score 100 points even if a bunch of us here are guarding them.

      Hubert Davis: He has not been shy about playing three non-offensive threats at the same time.

      Is Chandler, Camby, and Prigs really any worse than Chandler, Martin, and Kidd?Or Kidd, Prigioni, and Chandler?Or Chandler, Kidd, and JR Smith with a 102 degree fever?

      Now that’s not fair…we all know JR’s game lately has been very offensive.

    46. er

      MarvsTeeth: Guyz,I had a pretty gruesome dream last night. It goes to show how backward my priorities are that after a night of having a heart-to-heart with my girlfriend about potentially breaking up, the thing I ended up dreaming about was the Knicks. But anyway, here it is:The Knicks are down 100-97. They have 13 seconds left in the 4th and are inbounding from the Pacer’s side of the court. For some inexplicable reason (several injuries during the game?), Chris Copeland gets the ball and rushes down the court. Smartly, he puts up a top of the key three pointer to try to tie it right away (with about 6 seconds left) so that if he misses, we still have time for an OREB. It’s a complete brick. 4 seconds left. JR gets a finger on the ball, tips it up in the air, and it all hangs in the balance for a minute. He jumps again and takes possession of the loose ball on the right side of the paint. Channeling his best Reggie he desperately dribbles out beyond the arc. His contested, rushed turnaround jumper from the right-center side of the three point line (the fourth rack spot in the 3-point contest) clanks off the back off the rim. Not even close. Buzzer. Buzz kill. 3-1. Season over.Let’s hope I am not prescient.

      lol……

    47. Hubert Davis

      Hubert Davis: What, you thought you could just ban Dogrufus and he wouldn’t reinvent himself?

      This ^ was intended to be a response to this v

      Mike Kurylo:
      Wow post #43 is so odd. Why would someone come here to say that?

    48. massive

      You know, if we get out of this series with a healthy Shumpert, we may have a shot to get out of the conference. Apparently Dwyane Wade is having knee problems. His playoff numbers? A TS% of .474, an eFG% of .439, and 3.5 turnovers/36. And this is with Marco Bellinelli and Monta Ellis seeing most of the time at the two. If Wade has to play Shumpert, he will disappear from the game entirely.

      The thing that is worrying me about this Knicks/Pacers series is that the Knicks, when they play like this year’s Knicks, are clearly a better team than the Pacers. Being down 2-1 is a function of our players not being themselves. It’s frustrating that our two most important players haven’t been able to play like themselves. The Knicks need this win tonight in the worst way, and we won’t get it unless the Knicks can be the Knicks.

    49. MarvsTeeth

      It is extremely disappointing to go down to a lesser foe, which the Pacers are, in a macro sense.

      But at the end of the day, playoff basketball isn’t about the best NBA team winning. It is about making adjustments and tailoring your game to the other team’s weaknesses during a seven-game series. I will feel bad as a fan if we lose – like something that we all deserved was taken away from us. But we can’t say the Pacers were worse. So far they have definitely been the better team. Hats off to them. Whether it is coaching, smarts, composure, heart, or whatever, they have showed up, and outside of a 30-2 run, the Knicks haven’t.

      It hasn’t been about refs or freakish plays or anything. The Knicks have just been outplayed. The nice thing about a seven game series is that it becomes awfully tough to find excuses. We can at least rest assured that whatever the result of this series, we will know what we have in this team. Is it a team with the skills and composure and coaching to adjust and triumph, as their supposed regular season performance would indicate? Or is it a team that fell apart strategically/tactically/physically when it mattered most?

      I guess I am taking a rambling path to saying that there is not more space for over- or under-achievement. The playoffs define what you are. You achieve what you deserve in the playoffs. This isn’t one-and-done like the NCAA or the NFL. We will know what we have in this team pretty soon.

      massive:
      The thing that is worrying me about this Knicks/Pacers series is that the Knicks, when they play like this year’s Knicks, are clearly a better team than the Pacers. Being down 2-1 is a function of our players not being themselves. It’s frustrating that our two most important players haven’t been able to play like themselves. The Knicks need this win tonight in the worst way, and we won’t get it unless the Knicks can be the…

    50. Knicks4Eva

      I say start Stat if Shump can’t go and move Melo to the 3.

      Give him 5 minutes in the first, 5 minutes in the 3rd, all entirely focused on drawing fouls on Hibbert and West.

      And oh yeah, scoring.

      After that we can go to Martin, Cope, et al.

      No other Knick draws fouls on a defender the way Amar’e does, and his passion, size, and post moves could have a big effect.

    51. d-mar

      Let’s see:

      – 2 of our bench guys have the flu, and who knows who else they gave it to?

      – Our best defender and rising young star has a bum knee

      – Our two most important players are bickering over BS

      WE GOT THIS!!!

    52. Garson

      Knicks4Eva:
      I say start Stat if Shump can’t go and move Melo to the 3.

      Give him 5 minutes in the first, 5 minutes in the 3rd, all entirely focused on drawing fouls on Hibbert and West.

      And oh yeah, scoring.

      After that we can go to Martin, Cope, et al.

      No other Knick draws fouls on a defender the way Amar’e does, and his passion, size, and post moves could have a big effect.

      I think Woodson at this point would only start Stat if Melo, Chandler, Kmart , Cope ,Camby and Earl Baron were unavailable.

    53. Loathing

      Nick C.:
      Can they sign Ben Wallace?

      I think Jason Collins might be more available, albeit too young to be a Knicks reserve.

    54. jon abbey

      we’re fucked without Shumpert playing the way he has recently, the season is going to be over really quickly unless a whole bunch of guys turn it around very quickly.

    55. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      d-mar:
      Let’s see:
      – 2 of our bench guys have the flu, and who knows who else they gave it to?

      Judging from JR’s twitter, I’d say at least half of the strip clubs in Queens.

    56. Juany8

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Judging from JR’s twitter, I’d say at least half of the strip clubs in Queens.

      Seems funny now that everyone was terrified of him leaving for a big offer. It’s not going to be a problem to resign him anymore…

    57. Juany8

      flossy: And both of the strip clubs in Indianapolis

      Funny how many people thought he would be getting a big deal this summer. Not gonna be a problem to keep him now lol

    58. Frank

      Good article at Ball Don’t Lie re: playing Cope more at the 5:

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/chris-copeland-could-help-kickstart-knicks-woeful-offense-184356030.html

      The more I think about it, the more we need to do this. The overarching problem for us on offense has been the presence of Hibbert in the paint. Imagine a 1-4 PNR between Felton and Melo with Cope sitting behind the weakside wing 3 point line. Or a 4-5 pick and pop with Melo and Cope.

      Miami took over the series last year when they went ultra-small ball and made Hibbert guard Bosh on the perimeter. We can do the same thing. Cope is not Bosh by any means, but he is a legitimate threat behind the 3 point line and attacking closeouts with the dribble. And we destroyed Indiana in late April by playing Cope, then doubling Hibbert anytime he got the ball.

      Obviously we’ll have issues rebounding the ball on the defensive end, but even after getting killed there last game, we only gave up 82 points and a DefEff of 96.8 per B-R.

      C’mon Woody — #FreeCope

    59. nyk8806

      Based on recent precedent, perhaps “the flu” is a Knick trainer-speak for late-stage terminal illness. At least then we won’t have to debate his contract value any more.

      I’m still irrationally optimistic about tonight, maybe just like when someone buys a lottery ticket because he’s “feeling lucky.”

    60. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      nyk8806:
      Based on recent precedent, perhaps “the flu” is a Knick trainer-speak for late-stage terminal illness.

      Oooh. Shit just got heavy.

      Kind of like the ball leaving Carmelo’s hands over the last nine games. And burn!

    61. Frank

      I’m a little nervous we haven’t heard anything about Shump yet. 5 hours ago we already knew his orthopedist was going. It’s only a 1-2 hour flight. gotta imagine the private plane was sent.

      And as I write this, Isola just tweeted that he’s going to have an MRI. No way he plays tonight if he needs an MRI. Not that I would play him anyway if he’s sore/swollen.

    62. Frank

      My worry is not that it’s the ACL – physical exams are pretty good for that kind of stuff — just worried it’s a meniscus or something like that. Either way, he’s probably out for the rest of the series at least.

    63. johnlocke

      Safe to say Shump is out, but we should be able to win without Shump. His offense (normally) should be gravy, and George is not Kobe or Wade…

      Frank:
      I’m a little nervous we haven’t heard anything about Shump yet.5 hours ago we already knew his orthopedist was going.It’s only a 1-2 hour flight. gotta imagine the private plane was sent.

      And as I write this, Isola just tweeted that he’s going to have an MRI. No way he plays tonight if he needs an MRI. Not that I would play him anyway if he’s sore/swollen.

    64. johnlocke

      This is so painfully obvious but I bet Woody decides to start James White (another non-offensive threat) to stop that notorious Knick killer – Paul George

      Frank:
      Good article at Ball Don’t Lie re: playing Cope more at the 5:

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/chris-copeland-could-help-kickstart-knicks-woeful-offense-184356030.html

      The more I think about it, the more we need to do this. The overarching problem for us on offense has been the presence of Hibbert in the paint.Imagine a 1-4 PNR between Felton and Melo with Cope sitting behind the weakside wing 3 point line.Or a 4-5 pick and pop with Melo and Cope.

      Miami took over the series last year when they went ultra-small ball and made Hibbert guard Bosh on the perimeter.We can do the same thing.Cope is not Bosh by any means, but he is a legitimate threat behind the 3 point line and attacking closeouts with the dribble.And we destroyed Indiana in late April by playing Cope, then doubling Hibbert anytime he got the ball.

      Obviously we’ll have issues rebounding the ball on the defensive end, but even after getting killed there last game, we only gave up 82 points and a DefEff of 96.8 per B-R.

      C’mon Woody — #FreeCope

    65. BigBlueAL

      At this point I just hope its nothing major with Shump. I would take him missing the rest of the playoffs and being 100% healthy and ready for training camp if it comes down to that.

      Shump’s growth as a player these past couple of months has been huge and has made me even more excited for next season. I kinda had the mindset that this season might be the Knicks best chance of winning it all but Im just as excited/optimistic about next season as long as Shump and even Amar’e are healthy. Would be great to go into next season with both of them healthy from the get go.

      Still hoping the Knicks win tonight though of course lol.

    66. jon abbey

      maybe we should be able to win without Shump, but we would have gone out in the first round to a pretty weak Boston team without him.

    67. johnlocke

      100% True. With Shump out tonight, Woody is gonna have to play Cope…and Novak (and perhaps more importantly, they know they won’t be yanked after 1 minute, so that should help the confidence). I really think that Cope from a matchup perspective would be really helpful for our offense. He definitely can’t be worse than Kidd who is shooting 3 shots per game and making 0, in the playoffs thus far. I mean has any KEY (20+ min per game) rotation guard for any team ever…gone so many games in a row playoffs or regular season without making one shot? Cope and Novak played a combined 3 minutes last game and that is just unacceptable…

      jon abbey:
      maybe we should be able to win without Shump, but we would have gone out in the first round to a pretty weak Boston team without him.

    68. nyk8806

      johnlocke: This is so painfully obvious but I bet Woody decides to start James White

      Post says White will be deactivated tonight.

    69. Frank

      Wow – Berman just tweeted that it sounds like Shumpert is going to play tonight.

      I hope this is his orthopedist saying all is fine after examining him and looking at the MRI – and not Woody saying that guys have to ask out in order to be out of the lineup.

    70. Z

      Eighteen years ago yesterday, the Knicks went into Market Square Arena for Game 4 of the 2nd Round, trailing 2-1 and trying to salvage a 55 win season. They’d lost home court advantage in Game 1, then used a 25-4 2nd half run to route the Pacers in game 2. Game 3 was a grind-it-out loss in which the Knicks failed to score a field goal in the final 7:26 of regulation, setting the stage for Game 4:

      http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1995/Pacers-98-Knicks-84/id-94737d9182d3e49ba39c2cd1619b9aef

      Hmmm, a burgeoning C “thoroughly dominating” the Knicks high-profile but hobbled Man in the Middle?

      Karl Marx began his 18th Brumaire by stating that history repeats itself, the first time as tragedy and the second time as farce. I haven’t seen any of the newly monikered Hibbert v HibbertsBitch showdown, but from reading the game thread, 1995 looks to be the tragedy, and 2013, with Knick legend Quentin Richardson possibly in the starting lineup, the farce?

      We all know that series lasted 7 games.

    71. johnlocke

      Will he be able to play effectively though? He played 37 minutes last game…we need to cut that down to 25 mins or so..

      BigBlueAL:
      Crisis averted, Shump will play and start tonight.

    72. thenamestsam

      Kenyon starting, Prigs to the bench. So that is….interesting. Dumb is also a word that comes to mind. Try to win this one 75-70 I guess.

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