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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, May 07 2013)

  • [New York Times] Bulls 93, Heat 86: N.B.A. Playoffs â?? Heat Have M.V.P.; Bulls Have Series Lead (Tue, 07 May 2013 07:48:12 GMT)
    Nate Robinson scored 27 points, including the game’s final 7 points, as injury-ravaged Chicago withstood LeBron James and defending champion Miami in their opener.    

  • [New York Times] Ginobili’s 3 in 2nd OT Lifts Spurs Over Warriors (Tue, 07 May 2013 07:43:06 GMT)
    All it took was one shot from Manu Ginobili to undo Stephen Curry’s monstrous performance.    

  • [New York Times] Bulls Stun Heat 93-86 in Game 1 of Eastern Semis (Tue, 07 May 2013 07:43:04 GMT)
    Only one team has held the Miami Heat below 90 points on their home floor this season. That would be the Chicago Bulls, and for good measure, they’ve now done it twice.    

  • [New York Times] Spurs Outlast Warriors in Double OT 129-127 (Tue, 07 May 2013 06:27:52 GMT)
    Manu Ginobili’s play in the final 50 seconds was almost too much for Gregg Popovich to handle. Then again, the Spurs’ coach is used to his veteran guard’s free-wheeling style.    

  • [New York Times] Brooklyn Stylist Khalilah Williams-Webb Behind Fashion of Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony (Tue, 07 May 2013 05:51:30 GMT)
    Khalilah Williams-Webb, the owner of a boutique in Brooklyn, selects outfits for Carmelo Anthony, from his vintage jackets down to his socks and underwear.    

  • [New York Times] Tireless Butler Provides Stellar Service as Bulls Stun Heat (Tue, 07 May 2013 04:06:39 GMT)
    A depleted Chicago Bulls dug deep for another impressive display of character and collective strength as they stunned defending NBA champions Miami Heat 93-86 in the opening game of their Eastern Conference semi-final series on Monday.    

  • [New York Times] Bulls Steal Game 1, Top Heat 93-86 (Tue, 07 May 2013 03:22:03 GMT)
    Nate Robinson was spitting blood in the first half, then delivered the deepest cuts of the night in the final moments. And the Chicago Bulls reminded the Miami Heat that no one in the NBA plays them any tougher.    

  • [New York Times] D.J. Augustin Fuels Pacers Off Bench Against Knicks (Tue, 07 May 2013 03:18:56 GMT)
    The Pacers’ D. J. Augustin had his strongest playoff game, scoring 16 points in Game 1 over the Knicks, and getting the better of Raymond Felton, who was his teammate in Charlotte three years ago.    

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Playoffs â?? Reggie Miller’s 8-in-18.7 Game (Tue, 07 May 2013 03:06:29 GMT)
    Knicks fans haven’t forgotten Game 1 of the Knicks-Pacers playoff series in 1995 when Reggie Miller scored 8 points in 18.7 seconds for the Pacers. Miller returns to the Garden as a TV analyst for Game 2.    

  • [New York Times] Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony and J.R. Smith Top Offensive Concerns (Tue, 07 May 2013 01:43:05 GMT)
    With their leading scorers Carmelo Anthony and J. R. Smith shooting a combined 47 for 152 over the last four games, the Knicks have struggled to put up points.    

  • [New York Daily News] Amar’e plays 3-on-3, shoots for Game 3 return (Tue, 07 May 2013 07:00:27 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire saw action in a full-court game of 3-on-3 at Knicks practice Monday. Though winded and rusty, he appears on track to rejoin the Knicks when their playoff series against the Pacers shifts to Indianapolis for Game 3 on Saturday.    

  • [New York Daily News] Melo hardly scared shotless by King tweets (Tue, 07 May 2013 05:56:22 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony is going to keep hoisting them up, no matter what anyone else says â?? including former Knick Bernard King. Anthony is 35-for-110 from the floor over the past four games (three losses) including a 10-for-28 performance in Sunday’s Game 1 loss to the Pacers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: Melo likely to do line dance in Game 2 (Tue, 07 May 2013 05:03:33 GMT)
    Amar’e Stoudemire rolled to the basket and Earl Barron wrapped him up from behind in a WWE headlock, not exactly what they allow these days in the NBA, and definitely not the kind of interior defense the Knicks are seeing from the Indiana Pacers.    

  • [New York Daily News] Raissman: Knicks’ Garden crowd doesn’t bring it in Game 1 (Tue, 07 May 2013 02:51:02 GMT)
    It would take someone with far more mental capacity than me to probe the mind of J.R. Smith. Or identify the true source of his inspiration for posting the “Official NBA Bandwagon Transferral Formâ? following the Knicks’ 102-95 Game 1 loss to Indiana.    

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Pacers tell Felton to Melo out (Tue, 07 May 2013 02:45:59 GMT)
    After the Knicks dropped Game 1 of their Eastern Conference semifinals series with the Pacers on Sunday, point guard Raymond Felton accused Indiana players of targeting Carmelo Anthony’s injured left shoulder with their physical play. They didn’t like allegation one bit.    

  • 130 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, May 07 2013)

    1. johnlocke

      Knicks have never won a series where we lost Game 1 at home. Let’s change that this series…wear your lucky everything tonight!

    2. J Weezy

      dogrufus: Sorry dude.This series is over, and judging by how dead it is around here even though we haven’t been this far in the playoffs in near 20 years, everyone else knows it too.

      Very sad that we battled so hard for home court only for our season to essentially end in one game.

      There’s no chance we beat the Pacers 4 of 6.During the playoffs we become the worst offensive team in the league.

      you probably said the same thing after the Knicks lost game 5 at home and you’ve been preaching the Knicks failure for half the season. I’m sure not many people take you seriously anymore.

    3. Juany8

      dogrufus: Sorry dude.This series is over, and judging by how dead it is around here even though we haven’t been this far in the playoffs in near 20 years, everyone else knows it too.

      Very sad that we battled so hard for home court only for our season to essentially end in one game.

      There’s no chance we beat the Pacers 4 of 6.During the playoffs we become the worst offensive team in the league.

      You know nobody takes this seriously right? There has never been a series that ended in game 1. To suggest otherwise is a clear cut and moronic troll attempt.

    4. Nick C.

      eh. One crappy game is not a trend. Three 1/4 out of four is uninspiring. But, I have faith that they can turn this around. It may just be luck of outside shots rimming in and Indy’s rimming out. Hopefully adjustments have been made to the strategy of driving into a waiting Hibbert, missing and grumbling. What would help is the Tyson who dominated Hibbert in the past. I hope he still exists. They might try to close out or avoid leaving guys wide open ala Augustin or else just hope those shots don’t fall.

    5. Hubert Davis

      I kind of love what’s happened to Nate Robinson. He’s really found the perfect situation for him…for the moment (he’ll probably end up overpaid on the wrong team in 3 months).
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      But think about it:
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      If Derrick Rose were healthy and closing games for the Julls right now, they would actually be WORSE off.

      I’m not saying Nate is better than Derrick Rose. Bu| for a 4Q closer, I wguld take Nate all day. Not only have we seen Rose get bottled up by LeBron repeatedly in late games, but Rose plays tentative because he can’t hit#free throws. T`at’s a huge weakness. The problem with Nate has always been his lack of focus can kill you in the first 3.5 quarters, but that’s not going to happen with Thibodeu.

      This is actually what Nate Robinson was born for. To play on a team that is so disciplined and perfect defensively that they can absorb his knuckledheadedness for most of the#game and then unleash his unstoppable offensive game for the final 6 minutes.

    6. Hubert Davis

      And also, as much as I want the Bulls to give the Heat problems, I really don’t want them to win. I think I’d rather play the Heat. The Bulls just defy all statistics. You can’t chop their head off. I think LeBron is the only guy who can do it. I want nothing to do with them.

      Finally, I love how this Bulls-Heat rivalry is essentially the same rivalry as Knicks-Bulls in the 90′s, only with the shoe on the other foot. I don’t care what happened last night, the Bulls are never beating LeBron. I think this series goes exactly like the one we had vs Chicago in 92: stun em in game 1, lose the next 2, even it up in game 4, then home court holds and the Heat literally blow them away in game 7.

    7. Juany8

      Hubert Davis:
      I kind of love what’s happened to Nate Robinson.He’s really found the perfect situation for him…for the moment (he’ll probably end up overpaid on the wrong team in 3 months).
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      But think about it:
      -0A
      If Derrick Rose were healthy and closing games for the Julls right now, they would actually be WORSE off.

      I’m not saying Nate is better than Derrick Rose.Bu| for a 4Q closer, I wguld take Nate all day.Not only have we seen Rose get bottled up by LeBron repeatedly in late games, but Rose plays tentative because he can’t hit#free throws.T`at’s a huge weakness.The problem with Nate has always been his lack of focus can kill you in the first 3.5 quarters, but that’s not going to happen with Thibodeu.

      This is actually what Nate Robinson was born for.To play on a team that is so disciplined and perfect defensively that they can absorb his knuckledheadedness for most of the#game and then unleash his unstoppable offensive game for the final 6 minutes.

      Lets not get Carried away here lol, Lebron wasn’t exactly guarding Robinson late in the 4th last night and bellinelli and Butler played a lot better than korver and deng played in that bulls series. Nobody ever bothered to point out back then that if Lebron was guarding Rose, Deng should have had a matchup advantage against his defender, and either he or Thibs chose not to take advantage of it. Nobody scores consistently going 1 on 5 against a set defense, and Rose was no exception.

      Also the Bulls won game 1 that year by like 20. As always, you don’t want to overreact to game 1.

    8. stratomatic

      The issue is not losing game 1. The issue is that what I’ve been talking about for a very long time.

      Our offense is overly dependent on Melo and JR, but both are not particularly efficient or consistent scorers and neither makes consistently wise decisions when it comes to shot selection and making plays for teammates (low B Ball IQ). Either or both is capable of extremely high play on the offensive end for bursts of time (those are the only periods their fans remember), but you aren’t going to get it over several series in the playoffs and especially not when “elite” defenses are geared up to stop you.

      The Knicks best hope is that Amare can come back and is in the same shape as earlier in the season (being dependent on Amare is a frightening prospect all by itself). He was scoring very efficiently earlier in the year and would give the Knicks a 3rd scoring option that could be used off the bench or even with Melo or JR so those guys are less prone to throwing up idiotic shots or dribbling themselves into dilemmas. We know Stat can handle playoff pressure and can even dominate a game with efficient offense when he’s in shape and is actually given the ball as a/the primary option. If he comes back and is ready, it’s on the coach and Melo to give him the damn ball.

    9. J Weezy

      dogrufus: Really?They should, because I’ve pretty much been right on every point.I’ve preached that our offense is a gimmick that it utterly exposed vs. good teams.Lo and behold, it is.Our “superstar” can be pretty much penciled in to go 9-25 every game.Nobody on our can even score as well as Nate Robinson, a third stringer.

      When we lost game 5 at home I didn’t think we’d lose that series, but I thought it was a pretty good indicator that we wouldn’t be winning any other series, and guess what, I was right again.

      Do you really think we have a chance to win this series?

      I think you’re just mad at me for being right, because you know I am.

      The series is over.The season is over.The window for this flawed, old team is over before it ever even opened.You know it and I do.

      Too bad the Warriors lost last night, at least that would have been a reason to keep watching the playoffs.

      You said the knicks would be a 6th or 7th seed earlier in the season. you might be right on 7% to 8% of the things you say. If you predicted the knicks to win the series before game 1, then the outcome of the first game shouldn’t change your prediction that greatly or even at all..in reading your posts, you prob predicted the pacers in 5 anyway. Every point in the season you thought the knicks were toast, they’ve fought back and proved you wrong. I expect no different from them tonight.

    10. Douglas

      dogrufus: It’s not luck, man.We’re utterly helpless against good defenses.We play 3 on 5 on offense every game.Chandler is utterly useless against Hibbert because he gives him no reason to leave the basket.He probably will score less than 5 points this series.Kidd is exactly as useful as you’d expect a 40 yo to be:zero.

      Our best bench scorer is glued to the pine because our coach is an ididot.Thibs would have us in the ECF pretty much guaranteed, but we passed him over to hire some mediocre ex-player, just like the C’s did.

      Our mediocre defense is going to get destroyed by the likes of DJ Augustin every game and our now league-worst offense won’t top 95 points for the rest of the series.If we didn’t win the last game, we’re pretty much not going to win any others.

      I predict a blowout loss tonight and a sweep.

      It’s okay, nobody has to tell me how right I was.

      You have been proven wrong time and time over you chose to show up after Knicks losses in the regular season. You conveniently were nowhere to be found after Knicks wins – not in game threads and certainly never the morning after. Your track record of predictions is, well, shit.

      You were wrong after Game 5 of the Celtics series and tried to half-heartedly laugh it off as “reverse psychology.”

      Anyone who has paid attention to your post history this year knows you’re a gimmick. You have not given us one reason this year to take you seriously.

    11. Glew

      I predict dogrufus will dissapear after the first half until he can come back to speak slander at a later date

    12. Juany8

      J Weezy: You said the knicks would be a 6th or 7th seed earlier in the season.you might be right on 7% to 8% of the things you say.If you predicted the knicks to win the series before game 1, then the outcome of the first game shouldn’t change your prediction that greatly or even at all..in reading your posts, you prob predicted the pacers in 5 anyway.Every point in the season you thought the knicks were toast, they’ve fought back and proved you wrong.I expect no different from them tonight.

      If the Knicks won the next 4 games by an average of 10 points, we’d just hear some bullshit about how the pacers were a crappy team and that the 2 seed is supposed to make the ECF. There’s no winning with someone who can happily crow about being right after game 1 only to hide when they are proven utterly wrong.

      So if we win tonight dog Rufus disappears until the next loss. If we lose, he comes back more obnoxious than ever. To be fair if the Knicks lose game 2 this series is over.

    13. bidiong

      Dogrufus, troll extraordinaire. I have a prediction, the Heat will win last year’s Championship.

    14. mcliff05

      dogrufus: Really? What’s the historical win % in a series for a home team that’s lost game 1?Our chances are probably LOWER than the average, because the home team is usually a much higher seed than the road team instead of 2-3.The series is over. The only thing tonight decides is whether we lose in 5-6 or 4-5.

      No one takes you seriously becuase I’ve only seen you post after losses or in the beginning of game threads.

      Doomsayers aside, we need this game tonight. Gotta find a way to bring Hibbert out of the key and challenge his help defense while he’s moving. Stop doubling Hill or George and leaving yourself vunerable to quick ball movement and corner 3 point shooters. If we just man up and contest shots, Indiana will not come close to scoring 100.

      Lastly the mentality that this series is a referendum on whether or not you can win with a Melo/JR combo is tiresome. How about we say, if your two best players shoot 30% you will lose. I’m throwing a Joe Willy Namath sized guarantee that Melo gets a more favorable whistle tonight after Sunday’s the league watched that sadistic ref crew. Lets Go Knicks!

    15. Hubert Davis

      If we win tonight, it’s 1-1, and the Knicks have won plenty of series in their history that were 1-1.

    16. Juany8

      Hubert Davis:
      If we win tonight, it’s 1-1, and the Knicks have won plenty of series in their history that were 1-1.

      The better point would be: who cares? What on earth do these Knicks have in common with the 90′s or 70′s Knicks other than the name on their jersey?

    17. thenamestsam

      J Weezy: You said the knicks would be a 6th or 7th seed earlier in the season.you might be right on 7% to 8% of the things you say.If you predicted the knicks to win the series before game 1, then the outcome of the first game shouldn’t change your prediction that greatly or even at all..in reading your posts, you prob predicted the pacers in 5 anyway.Every point in the season you thought the knicks were toast, they’ve fought back and proved you wrong.I expect no different from them tonight.

      Exactly. If you constantly preach doom and gloom every team but one is going to “prove you right”. It’s just incredibly dumb to say that a series is over after a seven point loss in game 1. Obviously tonight’s game is a must-win, but if we do get it we’re in fine position for the series. It’s not like the Pacers have some impenetrable home court advantage. During the regular season they were 30-11 at home and lost home games to the Raptors (twice), the Sixers, and the Nets (also twice). We can win a game there.

      Anyway instead of moaning and groaning about it on here dogrufus you should go to Vegas and make yourself a fortune if you’re so sure the series is over, because apparently you’re much smarter than Vegas. They still think the Knicks have a 70% shot to win tonight and a 40% chance to win the series. Weird odds given that everyone knows its over.

    18. Keniman Shumpwalker

      dogrufus: Well if my aunt shows me a huge pair of balls I’ll start calling her uncle.

      Which is more likely:Us miraculously wining 4 straight with the league’s worst offense against arguably the best defense, or us losing tonight just like on Sunday?One has already happened, one has NEVER HAPPENED IN OUR TEAM’S 60 YEAR HISTORY.

      Don’t worry, I’m done once we lose tonight, because even ruru will have to admit the season’s over and begin the flood of excuses about Melo’s shoulder.

      How’s the weather in Trollville? Always gloomy, I imagine. This is all pretty pathetic. You only show up and spew after or during a loss. And I seem to remember you completely writing us off in a game we won in the Celtics series, then disappeared (oh no, I’m sorry, you chimed in with a hollow, “YES” 30 minutes after the game ended). Look, it’s one thing to be pessimistic, another to be a realist…you’re neither of these things. You’re just a troll. You just said above that it would take a miracle to win 4 straight against the leagues best defense with the leagues worst offense. A) We don’t need to win 4 straight, we need to win 4 out of 6 B) We’ve been playing like “the league’s worst offense” for a grand total of 7 games. If you can’t find the evidence that a turn around is not possible, then you’re not looking hard enough. I’m not saying we’re definitely winning this series, I’m not saying we should feel strongly about our title hopes, but this overwhelming fatalism is just weak minded and sad. Basically…go away. There’s a place in the sports world for fans like yourself, it’s called ESPN. Go there and spout off.

    19. Juany8

      In other news, last night’s golden state game shows why I called the Spurs to win it in no more than 5. Golden State has blown massive leads in 2 games in a row now. They have some nice talent, but playoff experience makes a big difference, you’re not going to see the Spurs just collapse like that at the end of games unless the other team makes some utterly ridiculous shots. It’s hard to win as an underdog when you blow chances to win games that you played well enough to win

    20. thenamestsam

      dogrufus:

      I won’t show up at halftime because we’ll be down 20, our season will be over, and I can justifiably check out on this year’s playoffs because watching the Heat beat the Spurs will be too boring to stomach.

      Just to be clear: I heard somewhere that the season was over right now, and yet clearly you haven’t done us all the favor of checking out and not posting. We’d all appreciate it if you would.

      Also another note: The Heat were also eliminated from this year’s playoffs last night by dint of their game 1 loss, or does the same rule not apply to them? Thankfully the Spurs narrowly staved off the dreaded game 1 elimination.

    21. thenamestsam

      Juany8: The better point would be: who cares? What on earth do these Knicks have in common with the 90?s or 70?s Knicks other than the name on their jersey?

      Exactly. The entire “The Knicks have never come back from a 0-1 deficit in their 60 year history” argument is inherently flawed. The fact is that plenty of teams have recovered from an 0-1 deficit. In fact dogrufus is clearly predicting that Miami will do exactly that. This year’s Knicks team has no more to do with a Knicks team from the 70s than it does with some other random team from the 70s who did turn around an 0-1 deficit. The argument is completely meaningless.

    22. Hubert Davis

      Juany8:
      In other news, last night’s golden state game shows why I called the Spurs to win it in no more than 5. Golden State has blown massive leads in 2 games in a row now. They have some nice talent, but playoff experience makes a big difference, you’re not going to see the Spurs just collapse like that at the end of games unless the other team makes some utterly ridiculous shots. It’s hard to win as an underdog when you blow chances to win games that you played well enough to win

      God should’ve given Coach some better plays to run down the stretch.

    23. d-mar

      Guys, the best way to deal with a troll is to ignore it, it eventually just crawls back under its bridge. Stop responding to dogdoofus

    24. Keniman Shumpwalker

      thenamestsam: Exactly. The entire “The Knicks have never come back from a 0-1 deficit in their 60 year history” argument is inherently flawed. The fact is that plenty of teams have recovered from an 0-1 deficit. In fact dogrufus is clearly predicting that Miami will do exactly that. This year’s Knicks team has no more to do with a Knicks team from the 70s than it does with some other random team from the 70s who did turn around an 0-1 deficit. The argument is completely meaningless.

      Right. If we always followed this logic in sports, history would never be made. It’s completely asinine.

    25. EB

      dogrufus: Well if my aunt shows me a huge pair of balls I’ll start calling her uncle.

      Which is more likely:Us miraculously wining 4 straight with the league’s worst offense against arguably the best defense, or us losing tonight just like on Sunday?One has already happened, one has NEVER HAPPENED IN OUR TEAM’S 60 YEAR HISTORY.

      Don’t worry, I’m done once we lose tonight, because even ruru will have to admit the season’s over and begin the flood of excuses about Melo’s shoulder.

      Cough, induction fallacy, cough.

      Well we saw the team never win in the 60 year history so you can appropriately say that the team didn’t win in the 60 year history. No conclusion may be drawn about future prospects.

    26. Keniman Shumpwalker

      d-mar:
      Guys, the best way to deal with a troll is to ignore it, it eventually just crawls back under its bridge. Stop responding to dogdoofus

      I know you’re right but it gets harder and harder to resist.

    27. Juany8

      Hubert Davis: God should’ve given Coach some better plays to run down the stretch.

      LMAO! You have no idea how hard this made me laugh, not a good look at work lol

    28. Hubert Davis

      This God thing he’s been has been hilarious. I mean, I know he’s always been an annoying kind of religious person (remember when he responded to Larry Johnson’s L after 3′s by doing a cross?), but this has got to be a schtick, right? I mean, no coaches want to divulge anything. They’ve made an art form out of giving interviews in which they talk but say nothing. But he’s taken it to an all new level. Any time you ask him what he’s going to do, he says “leave it to god.” Any time you ask him what he did, he says “god just did what he wanted.” Was it intentional or is it accidental genius?

    29. Hubert Davis

      I feel reporters need to up their game now and qualify their questions. For example:

      “Coach it looked like god was really making baskets for you in the first half. Other than his divine intervention, what do you think was the second biggest factor in how you pulled that off?”

    30. Frank

      Keniman Shumpwalker: I know you’re right but it gets harder and harder to resist.

      If I see his name on a post I basically just skip right past it. Makes you much less likely to get upset by it, which is exactly what the troll feeds on.

      That said – this game is very much a “must win”. Dallas may have come back from an 0-2 deficit a couple years ago but according to something I read somewhere, only 14 out of 226 teams (6.2%) have come back from 0-2 — and I imagine even that the numbers are even worse for teams that lost the first two at home.

      At risk of sounding like one of the trolls, Melo really needs to shoot less. I’m quite sure it’s easier said than done, but not only does Melo have to pass out when he’s surrounded, but other guys need to cut more to the basket. If you watch Miami play, Wade and Lebron are always making random cuts to the basket when the ball gets near the paint.

      Conversely, the other guys need to shoot more — I’m going to throw my remote through the TV if I see another guy pass up a transition layup to throw it back to a covered guy. And when you have an open 3 pointer with the shotclock running down, shoot the freaking ball rather than hot potato-ing it to the point of a rushed shot or a 24 second violation.

    31. KnickfaninNJ

      dogrufus: It’s not luck, man.We’re utterly helpless against good defenses.We play 3 on 5 on offense every game.Chandler is utterly useless against Hibbert because he gives him no reason to leave the basket.He probably will score less than 5 points this series.Kidd is exactly as useful as you’d expect a 40 yo to be:zero.

      Our best bench scorer is glued to the pine because our coach is an ididot.Thibs would have us in the ECF pretty much guaranteed, but we passed him over to hire some mediocre ex-player, just like the C’s did.

      Our mediocre defense is going to get destroyed by the likes of DJ Augustin every game and our now league-worst offense won’t top 95 points for the rest of the series.If we didn’t win the last game, we’re pretty much not going to win any others.

      I predict a blowout loss tonight and a sweep.

      It’s okay, nobody has to tell me how right I was.

      I am not sure we are going ot win the series, but it’s just not true that we are utterly helpless against good defenses. Boston, Miami, Indiana and Chicago are the best defenses in the East. We beat Boston in the regular season and the playoffs, we beat Miami the regular season, we split with Indiana in the regular series and only with Chicago were the Knicks consistently beaten

    32. stratomatic

      Frank,

      There does seem to be some reluctance by Kidd especially (and not just him) to shoot even when the shot is clearly there. That’s not good because it compounds everything that’s wrong with Melo’s and JR’s game. I’m thinking that getting Novak back could help. Even though he can’t create his own shot, a defender has to be glued to him on the perimeter at all times. So he might help the spacing and even knock some shots down. We need some efficient scoring.

    33. bidiong

      Frank: If I see his name on a post I basically just skip right past it. Makes you much less likely to get upset by it, which is exactly what the troll feeds on.

      That said – this game is very much a “must win”.Dallas may have come back from an 0-2 deficit a couple years ago but according to something I read somewhere, only 14 out of 226 teams (6.2%) have come back from 0-2 — and I imagine even that the numbers are even worse for teams that lost the first two at home.

      At risk of sounding like one of the trolls, Melo really needs to shoot less. I’m quite sure it’s easier said than done, but not only does Melo have to pass out when he’s surrounded, but other guys need to cut more to the basket.If you watch Miami play, Wade and Lebron are always making random cuts to the basket when the ball gets near the paint.

      Conversely, the other guys need to shoot more — I’m going to throw my remote through the TV if I see another guy pass up a transition layup to throw it back to a covered guy.And when you have an open 3 pointer with the shotclock running down, shoot the freaking ball rather than hot potato-ing it to the point of a rushed shot or a 24 second violation.

      Yeah Melo does need to shoot less, but the other guys need to help him shoot less.

    34. flossy

      dogrufus: How did they prove me wrong? We’re about as good as a 6th or 7th seed,

      Wow, you are so full of shit I almost want to tip my cap to you. You predicted we’d be a 6/7 seed, but when we end up the #2 seed you might as well be right because “we’re about as good as a 6th or 7th seed.” GTFO!

      We were 1 missed FT away from sweeping Boston in the first round, and while I don’t think anyone here is happy with the way Melo and JR have been shooting, to say that the series is lost is absurdly premature. Yes, the Knicks will lose if they don’t make adjustments,” but to treat that as a fait accompli because we lost one whole game is just ridiculous. I suppose it’ll be a Bulls/Pacers EFC, huh? To bad the Knicks and Heat didn’t get the memo that this round is a single-game elimination.

      If you want a gold star for predicting that this team won’t win a championship, you can go ahead and just shove it because you’d be one of literally millions of basketball fans who came to the same conclusion. The perverse thing is that it seems pretty clear from your posts that you’d prefer the Knicks to lose so that you’ll be right. If Melo caught fire and we rode him all the way to the finals you’d probably shit a brick.

    35. yellowboy90

      I think Shump should be a cutter/ move player this series. West will be locked in on Melo in the post and can’t react as quickly to shump. I really think the Knicks need to exploit this match up more. He has a clear advantage getting to the rim. I guess the only thing would be him making his layups/dunks.

    36. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Frank:

      At risk of sounding like one of the trolls, Melo really needs to shoot less. I’m quite sure it’s easier said than done, but not only does Melo have to pass out when he’s surrounded, but other guys need to cut more to the basket.If you watch Miami play, Wade and Lebron are always making random cuts to the basket when the ball gets near the paint.

      Conversely, the other guys need to shoot more — I’m going to throw my remote through the TV if I see another guy pass up a transition layup to throw it back to a covered guy.And when you have an open 3 pointer with the shotclock running down, shoot the freaking ball rather than hot potato-ing it to the point of a rushed shot or a 24 second violation.

      I don’t think this is troll-like at all. It’s not even really so much of an opinion as it is fact. Actually, let me re-phrase that; it’s not that he needs to shoot less, it’s that he needs to feel the game better, something Melo has always struggled with. If he’s on one of his ridiculous hot streaks, by all means, shoot the fucking ball from wherever, whenever. But he has to recognize when he doesn’t have “it” and initiate the kind of ball movement that has made this offense hum for long stretches of this season.

      The high PnR with Tyson or Kenyon setting the screen above the 3 pt line accomplishes two things: 1) it draws Hibbert out of the paint and 2) it gives Ray a head of steam which allows him to blow past the hedge and get into the lane before the help from the wings is able to deter his foray.

      Ray has been playing some of the best basketball of his career these last 7 games; finishing at the rim, understanding when to go all the way to the tin and when to pull out the little floater, and timing his passes right (either to the roll man or out to the shooters in the corner). The more we run the high PnR action for him,…

    37. Jackaroe

      dogrufus: Really?What’s the historical win % in a series for a home team that’s lost game 1?

      Our chances are probably LOWER than the average, because the home team is usually a much higher seed than the road team instead of 2-3.

      The series is over.The only thing tonight decides is whether we lose in 5-6 or 4-5.

      Longtime lurker, logging in just for this. Per ESPN: In all NBA best-of-seven series where a team wins Game 1 on the road, that team goes on to win the series 56 percent of the time. That number falls to 52 percent in this specific round (conference semifinals or the “quarterfinal” round).

      The series is hardly over.

    38. Frank

      Actually – from Tom Haberstroh (insider article) it actually appears that we’re better off than I thought after the game 1 loss – even if the lower seed steals game 1, they only win the series 56% of the time. So basically from a historical perspective, this series is still a toss-up. I’m sure the numbers would be somewhat worse if you looked just at 2-3 series, but still – it’s not the 20% chance that some have thrown around.

      Keniman Shumpwalker: The high PnR with Tyson or Kenyon setting the screen above the 3 pt line accomplishes two things: 1) it draws Hibbert out of the paint and 2) it gives Ray a head of steam which allows him to blow past the hedge and get into the lane before the help from the wings is able to deter his foray.

      If only Ray had a reliable jump shot. Hibbert is sagging way back to the paint on that high screen.

    39. yellowboy90

      Can I get just a few minutes of Cope at the 5 just to see what would happen?

    40. johnlocke

      What’s the status on Novak? This is one series where we could actually use his floor spacing.

    41. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Frank:
      Actually – from Tom Haberstroh (insider article) it actually appears that we’re better off than I thought after the game 1 loss – even if the lower seed steals game 1, they only win the series 56% of the time. So basically from a historical perspective, this series is still a toss-up. I’m sure the numbers would be somewhat worse if you looked just at 2-3 series, but still – it’s not the 20% chance that some have thrown around.

      If only Ray had a reliable jump shot.Hibbert is sagging way back to the paint on that high screen.

      He is, but that’s where the little floater comes into play (for Ray) and where free throw line jumpers come into play for Melo/JR/Shump/Whoever. We have to force Hibbert to do something other than camp out under the rim with his hands raised to the rafters. And, if he refuses to budge, even a bad shooting group can knock down 8-12 foot jumpers at a fairly high rate. Further, I’d hate to jinx it (and I don’t have the shot charts to back this up), but it seems that Ray has been shooting those mid-range jumpers at a decent clip so far this postseason.

    42. Hubert Davis

      I feel like Chris Copeland is so obviously the key to this series but we may never use him.

      Copeland can do what Battier does and guard the opponents bruising big man so Melo doesn’t have to. And going with Tyson + Copeland or Martin + Copeland doesn’t destroy the offense the way a Tyson + Kenyon lineup does.

      That Tyson + Martin lineup better not see the light of day again. A two big lineup with Copeland would be far better. In fact, I’d almost say a two big lineup with Copleand right now is better than a lineup with Amar’e if he’s not himself.

    43. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Hubert Davis:
      I feel like Chris Copeland is so obviously the key to this series but we may never use him.

      Copeland can do what Battier does and guard the opponents bruising big man so Melo doesn’t have to.And going with Tyson + Copeland or Martin + Copeland doesn’t destroy the offense the way a Tyson + Kenyon lineup does.

      That Tyson + Martin lineup better not see the light of day again.A two big lineup with Copeland would be far better.In fact, I’d almost say a two big lineup with Copleand right now is better than a lineup with Amar’e if he’s not himself.

      I hear you and would love to see Cope get some burn, but the big difference between him and Battier is that Battier can actually hold his own against bruising big men while Cope will get abused (that outstanding possession against Ian Mahinmi in game one notwithstanding because, well, it’s Ian Mahinmi).

    44. ess-dog

      I really don’t think Melo needs to shoot less – I think he needs to make more shots.

      This would be a great series for him to find his 3-pt range again, especially if West is guarding him.

      Maybe I’m naive, but I’m actually not that worried, based on game 1. If we were given any kind of home court edge by the refs, we’d have won the other day, and our shooters are still shooting poorly.

    45. stratomatic

      On my spreadsheet calculations, I have Indiana with a 55%-60% chance of winning the series from here.

    46. thenamestsam

      johnlocke:
      What’s the status on Novak? This is one series where we could actually use his floor spacing.

      He sounded hopeful about playing:

      “Yeah, I think so. If we can get it loose and warmed up, it’s definitely not 100 percent right now. But most guys aren’t.”

      A little dose of Novak and a healthier dose of Copeland would both be on the menu for me tonight. As many other people have said it’s not entirely Melo and JRs fault that they continue to jack up shots. Kidd isn’t looking for his shot (understatement of the century), Prigioni is always cautious, Tyson and Kenyon are both limited offensively. Really there aren’t a lot of guys willing to shoot the ball on a lot of possessions, and one thing we know about Cope and Novak is they won’t be shy if they get looks. Both of them are looking to get their shot up at all times, and I think (hope) that releiving a little bit of that pressure from Melo and JR might help them break out of their funks.

      Last thought, apropos of nothing, but I think it’s hugely important for the Knicks to get off to a good start tonight. Fans sounded like they were getting antsy at times in the last game, and the team was clearly getting frustrated. If they get off to a slow start tonight I worry that there’s going to be a lot of negative energy – from fans and players – very quickly. Avoiding getting flustered and matching their focus on every possession is going to be as critical as any of the tactical points.

    47. stratomatic

      ess-dog:

      and our shooters are still shooting poorly.

      Our shooters are very streaky and not really above average overall (other than Novak spotting up etc..).

    48. stratomatic

      The biggest difference between Battier and Copeland is that Battier is a high level defender and Copeland is a below average defender. The other difference is that Copeland is WAY below average at other things big men are supposed to bring to the table (like rebounding). Cope is an efficient scorer, but he’s an EV- player overall.

    49. d-mar

      ess-dog:
      I really don’t think Melo needs to shoot less – I think he needs to make more shots.

      This would be a great series for him to find his 3-pt range again, especially if West is guarding him.

      Maybe I’m naive, but I’m actually not that worried, based on game 1. If we were given any kind of home court edge by the refs, we’d have won the other day, and our shooters are still shooting poorly.

      I agree, essdog. Rational NBA fans don’t draw too many conclusions after one game. Yes, the Pacers are long and physical, but get Hibbert and/or West in foul trouble, and everything changes. And if we win convincingly tonight, I wouldn’t draw any conclusions either, except that we are likely looking at a 7 game series. Which is why it was worth fighting so hard for the 2 seed.

    50. Hubert Davis

      Keniman Shumpwalker: I hear you and would love to see Cope get some burn, but the big difference between him and Battier is that Battier can actually hold his own against bruising big men while Cope will get abused (that outstanding possession against Ian Mahinmi in game one notwithstanding because, well, it’s Ian Mahinmi).

      If you put Copeland on West and leave him there, yes West will get the better of the matchup. But they won’t win a series because David West abused Chris Copeland.

      They will win a series if Carmelo Anthony is constantly in foul trouble.

      And if they’re going to keep hiding West on Shumpert, get JR in sooner and tell him to go to the hole right away. Or – god forbid – start JR so West has no one to guard.

    51. Douglas

      dogrufus: Misleading.Most lower seeds are at a much bigger disadvantage seeding-wise.That figure is counting all the times a 7 seed steals game 1 vs a 2 seed.When the teams are very evenly matched, as we are, winning game 1 is much more likely to determine the series.

      It’s not inconsistent to say the Heat will win and we don’t.They’re better than the Bulls by a much bigger margin than we’re better than the Pacers, if we’re better at all (we aren’t.)

      LOLOLOLOLLLLL

    52. Hubert Davis

      More on my last point:

      If you start JR over Shump how do they matchup with that?

      Shumpert has been super effective hitting the spot up 3. West won’t give that up. West can be attacked on the dribble, but you really don’t want Shumpert dribbling at the rim.

      JR needs to attack the rim more and shoot long jumpers less. West defends long jumpers but can’t defend a strong dribbler.

      Isn’t this the most obvious thing in the world???

    53. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Hubert Davis: If you put Copeland on West and leave him there, yes West will get the better of the matchup.But they won’t win a series because David West abused Chris Copeland.

      They will win a series if Carmelo Anthony is constantly in foul trouble.

      And if they’re going to keep hiding West on Shumpert, get JR in sooner and tell him to go to the hole right away.Or – god forbid – start JR so West has no one to guard.

      Yeah, I’d be fine with starting JR at this point. I’d be much more comfortable with that if STAT was running with the second unit but still. To your point re: Cope on West…I agree that we won’t lose this series because of the Cope-West matchup, but I do think if you stick Cope on West for any significant amount of time two things will happen:
      A) He will quickly get in foul trouble which will negate any impact he could have as a floor spacer on the other end
      B) It will most likely force us to send a quick double team his way, thereby enabling quick swing passes to open shooters around the arc. Indy is not a good shooting team overall, but they have guys that will knock down open shots on an unbalanced set.

      It’s a tough call: will his impact as a floor spacer generate enough offense for us to offset the negative impact he will have on team D if he’s forced to guard West (or even Psycho-T, to a lesser extent).

    54. Juany8

      dogrufus: Misleading.Most lower seeds are at a much bigger disadvantage seeding-wise.That figure is counting all the times a 7 seed steals game 1 vs a 2 seed.When the teams are very evenly matched, as we are, winning game 1 is much more likely to determine the series.

      It’s not inconsistent to say the Heat will win and we don’t.They’re better than the Bulls by a much bigger margin than we’re better than the Pacers, if we’re better at all (we aren’t.)

      Misleading. Most conference finalists and finalists are closer to each other than second round matchups. Many lower seeds are at a much lower disadvantage than the Pacers when you stop to consider that the road team has won the last 2 finals and 3 of the last 4 conference finals. When teams are truly evenly matched, you can’t say anything about who’s gonna win the series until one team wins 4.

      It is inconsistent to say the Heat will win and the Knicks won’t because you can’t claim either right now with any kind of certainty. The heat might end up having a harder time with the Bulls than the Knicks do with the pacers.

    55. mr.JayP

      Hubert Davis:
      More on my last point:

      If you start JR over Shump how do they matchup with that?

      Shumpert has been super effective hitting the spot up 3.West won’t give that up.West can be attacked on the dribble, but you really don’t want Shumpert dribbling at the rim.

      JR needs to attack the rim more and shoot long jumpers less.West defends long jumpers but can’t defend a strong dribbler.

      Isn’t this the most obvious thing in the world???

      I would not mind seeing shump coming off the bench with prigs. thats a backcourt i would like.

      The only thing with starting JR, how would the shot distribution look like? IMO i want to see felton be more aggressive offensively, he’s the most efficient thus far, why not ride him more and try to help get chandler to score 2.7 points?

      But starting JR would be our most potent offense IF they dont dribble for 26703732 minutes and move the ball.

    56. stratomatic

      dogrufus: Misleading.Most lower seeds are at a much bigger disadvantage seeding-wise.That figure is counting all the times a 7 seed steals game 1 vs a 2 seed.When the teams are very evenly matched, as we are, winning game 1 is much more likely to determine the series.

      It’s not inconsistent to say the Heat will win and we don’t.They’re better than the Bulls by a much bigger margin than we’re better than the Pacers, if we’re better at all (we aren’t.)

      This isn’t so complicated that we even need to be having this conversation by looking at the historical record or just speculating.

      If you create a spreadsheet with a power rating for each team, their home court advantage, and calculate the probability of every single possible outcome from here, you can figure out the probability of each team winning the series.

      The only issues would be:

      1. The exact power ratings to use (there are several sources if you don’t calculate a better version on your own).

      2. Do you want to use a generic home court advantage or one specific to each team?

      3. Do you want to make an adjustments for specific matchup or less tangible issues?

      If that’s too much work you can assume the Vegas line is approximately correct and see what percentage they are giving us.

    57. Hubert Davis

      The hiding West on Shumpert does three great things for them:

      1. It enables them to go West guarded by Melo on offense, which is what they want.

      2. It takes away Shumpert’s 3 point shooting ability because West literally never leaves him.

      3. It encourages us to waste possessions having Shumpert attack on the dribble, which is not our most effective offense.

      Shouldn’t we take that away from them?

    58. johnlocke

      We just haven’t been hitting the three…. we need to get that spacing, movement and jump-shot hitting action back. That’s really the key for the rest of our playoffs. It was also the big question I thought was outstanding between regular season and playoffs – can we keep up our three point accuracy and frequency of makes against tough defenses. It really feels like shooting slumps from Melo and JR more than the effect of defense for the most part. And Kidd hasn’t scored in like 5 games…that is just really unbelievable.

      thenamestsam: He sounded hopeful about playing:

      “Yeah, I think so. If we can get it loose and warmed up, it’s definitely not 100 percent right now. But most guys aren’t.”

      A little dose of Novak and a healthier dose of Copeland would both be on the menu for me tonight. As many other people have said it’s not entirely Melo and JRs fault that they continue to jack up shots. Kidd isn’t looking for his shot (understatement of the century), Prigioni is always cautious, Tyson and Kenyon are both limited offensively. Really there aren’t a lot of guys willing to shoot the ball on a lot of possessions, and one thing we know about Cope and Novak is they won’t be shy if they get looks. Both of them are looking to get their shot up at all times, and I think (hope) that releiving a little bit of that pressure from Melo and JR might help them break out of their funks.

    59. thenamestsam

      dogrufus:

      We have, at best, 20-25% to win the series.My guess is more like 15%.

      That’s probably because you’re bad at Math. Literally every possible conclusion gets you to the same numbers. Vegas says we have a 40% chance. Historical records of teams who lose game 1 says right around a 40% chance. And if you calculate the probabilities on a game by game basis correctly you’re going to get something darn close to 40% as Stratomatic points out. The fact that you can’t do it correctly doesn’t chance the actual answer.

    60. stratomatic

      dogrufus: Too low.Would you mind showing your work here?

      I gamble on the games. I can’t give away too much about my model. I’ll give you general information.

      I rate the Knicks as a slightly better team than Indiana, but believe Indiana has a few minor offsetting advantages that make it closer. With home court, NY was an obvious favorite.

      Now that Indiana has won game 1, they are the favorite, but it’s not a huge advantage because NY is still the slightly better team even though they’ve lost home court.

      IMO, you are putting too much weight on the result of the one game as an indication of who is better. Inferior teals beat superior teams on the road all the time as purely a function of random results.

      What I will grant you is that the Knicks need to make some changes or this will be a quick and painless exit.

    61. stratomatic

      dogrufus: The exact power ratings most people are using are based heavily on the regular season, where our ability is inflated by all the junk teams we played, against whom our offense looks like a league-leading offense instead of the gimmicky, flimsy crap it is.

      The Vegas line is likely incorrect because it too is operating on the assumption that our offense would translate to the playoffs.

      The Vegas line has been horribly off for Denver on multiple occasions for the same reason.Their league-leading offense turns to shit in the playoffs every time.It’s a different gimmick than ours, but a gimmick all the same.

      I don’t disagree that factors like that need to be weighed, but I think the Knicks have a better chance than you are giving to them. I thought the Pacers were probably underrated heading into the series and then won game 1, but I think Vegas has it pretty close to right now.

      If you feel this strongly, you should find a bookmaker or friend to place a wager with. :-)

    62. J Weezy

      dogrufus: Nope.We’re a 2 and a 3 seed.That’s literally the closest possible playoff seed matchup.Generally closer than 1-2 seed since the 1 seed is often an outlier as the Heat are.

      Nobody has certainty about anything.But we can made educated guesses as to what outcomes are more probable.Let’s not bullshit outselves.The Heat coming back to beat the injury-decimated Bulls is far, far more likely than the worst offensive team in the East to come back against the best defensive team.

      funny. the knicks were the 3rd best offensive team in the league this year. way to use selective stats. if i did that, i guarantee the pacers havent been the best defensive team in the playoffs so far

    63. Frank

      dogrufus: The Heat coming back to beat the injury-decimated Bulls is far, far more likely than the worst offensive team in the East to come back against the best defensive team.

      Blah, I accidentally read one of your posts, and against my better judgment, am replying.

      Your points:
      1) Heat beating Bulls is more likely than us beating Pacers – I agree. Not rocket science.

      2) We are the worst offensive team in the East – only true if you’re talking only about remaining playoff teams. But if you’re going to say that, then you should also acknowledge that the Knicks have the best defense in these playoffs also (93.7 DRtg).

      3) Indiana is the best defensive team in the East – only true if you’re talking only about the regular season. But as I’ve noted, in the playoffs the Knicks are the best defensive team. And if you’re talking about regular season, then you should also note that the Knicks were the 3rd best offense in the regular season.

      Whatever. Chances are against us to win this series, but it’s not a freaking impossibility – probably just worse than 50/50. Or maybe 40% like Stratomatic said above. The Pacers have a very good defense, but frankly, they stink offensively. This is not asking us to beat the Showtime Lakers here.

      OK, done responding to the dog troll.

    64. stratomatic

      dogrufus: Well there’s the problem:you rate the Knicks as a slightly better overall team than Indy when there really isn’t much basis for this.All available playoff evidence, which IMO is much more important than RS evidence, shows that we aren’t.It shows we’re the worst offensive team in the playoffs by far.There isn’t 1 game of evidence for this, there are 7.Our 95 points against the Pacers is our best offensive game of the postseason.How many times do you think we are likely to exceed that performance in the next three games?

      The playoffs are a different game.Offenses that dominate the RS can sputter and die there (see: Denver).The evidence that this has happened to our offense is very, very strong.

      We only won the Boston series because their offense was so historically bad.

      I think your model relies too heavily on regular season results.The correlation between RS performance and playoff performance is not at all consistent across different teams.

      If you read my comments on round 1, I said that the Knicks are flawed, but Boston sucks.

      All that said, Indiana is also flawed, not just NY. Wait until they start throwing up bricks. They do not have a good offense. It’s actually fairly putrid.

    65. mr.JayP

      dogrufus: If we had regular season JR I’d agree with you, but JR has been utter shit this postseason and is obviously more interested in banging shots in clubs than on the court.

      There’s also the issue that since Woody hates copeland, our Kidd/Prigs/Novak/Kmart bench unit might go 10 minutes between field goals.

      Prigs/Shump/Cope/Kmart/ maybe Camby/the other center?

      way better 2nd squad than anything involving Kidd and novak.

      I rather play novak more with felton and shump.

      Kidd does not deserved a large load of playing time. He should be used sparingly.

    66. jon abbey

      I guess we are still a game away from Thomas B. reminiscing about the good old days of Al Harrington… :)

      I want no Kidd, no Novak (he’s not even good at 100 percent), no Amar’e (the reports of him in practice yesterday were depressing, Earl Barron snuffing him repeatedly). I want Copeland, I want Chandler to man up, I want Melo and JR to wake the fuck up and start playing more like they were a month ago.

      I want a win.

    67. flossy

      dogrufus: far more likely than the worst offensive team in the East to come back against the best defensive team.

      TROLOLOLOL

    68. thenamestsam

      dogrufus: Vegas is assuming our RS performance is relevant to our playoff performance.Our team, and our best player, have a history of performing much worse in the playoffs.

      Vegas is giving you free money.They don’t have to make great guesses on odds because the vig/rake provides them a huge margin for error.

      Show me where my math was wrong.

      Your math is wrong where you assume 0% chance of winning for the Knicks if they’re down 2-0 or 3-1. That should be pretty easy to figure out.

    69. Frank

      jon abbey: I want no Kidd, no Novak (he’s not even good at 100 percent), no Amar’e (the reports of him in practice yesterday were depressing, Earl Barron snuffing him repeatedly). I want Copeland, I want Chandler to man up, I want Melo and JR to wake the fuck up and start playing more like they were a month ago.

      I don’t really see why Woody insists on doubling guys in the post. Tyson should be able to do a reasonable job on Hibbert (who made some really difficult contested shots in the post last game – prob won’t do that again), and Melo is a very good post defender. Why do we feel the need to double and then rotate all over the place? Their guards are nothing special, and if we just stay home rather than double guys who don’t need doubling, then there should be fewer wide open shots. If they want to try to win with David West posting up Melo from 6-8 feet from the basket or Hibbert trying to score over Tyson, I’m all for that.

    70. stratomatic

      dogrufus:
      Care to divulge what positions you’ve bet on this series?

      I have a VERY small wager on the Pacers to win the series, but would not make the same bet now because the odds moved a LOT after the Pacer win. I think Vegas has it about right now – give or take. I am a spectator from here unless I think the odds are wrong again going forward.

    71. mr.JayP

      jon abbey:
      I guess we are still a game away from Thomas B. reminiscing about the good old days of Al Harrington… :)

      I want no Kidd, no Novak (he’s not even good at 100 percent), no Amar’e (the reports of him in practice yesterday were depressing, Earl Barron snuffing him repeatedly). I want Copeland, I want Chandler to man up, I want Melo and JR to wake the fuck up and start playing more like they were a month ago.

      I want a win.

      i beg to differ. i want novak out there. Maybe 5-10 min. But i want him out there with a set play to just get him maybe 2-3 open looks and thats it.

      I hate when they just put novak in there and he doesnt even get a shot attempt. Wtf. why have a 3 pt specialist if you aint even gonna give him good looks!?

    72. Keniman Shumpwalker

      dogrufus: So your actions, it appears, vindicate my arguments completely.Smart to bet before game 1.Most here would probably agree with me we’re the underdog now, but wouldn’t have agreed with me we were the underdog before game 1.

      Big difference between being the underdog (which I would now agree with after game 1) to WE HAVE NO CHANCE THE SEASON IS OVER THE SKY IS FALLING OH MY GOD WHY WOULD WE EVEN BOTHER TO PLAY THE GAMES?!?!?!!?

    73. Frank

      dogrufus: We only have the best drtg because we played 6 games against the Celtics, who are so pathetic on offense without Rondo that they broke their record for fewest points in a half, then broke it again. If this happened because our defense is so great, then we wouldn’t have had below average drtg in the regular season.

      Ummmm…. Indiana’s ORtg this season was 0.5 points/100 poss better than Boston. They were 19th in the league juuuuuust in front of…Boston. And Boston’s offense was actually better after Rondo’s injury (+3.5 points/100 poss). So good point, except the opposite is actually true.

      And you don’t think that other teams in playoff history have had bad offenses, or a bad shooting game before this year? The Celtics had the worst consecutive 2nd halves in games 1-2 in NBA history (post shot-clock). Not even the Bobcats or other expansion franchises have ever been that bad. That can’t all be put on the offense. The defense has something to do with that.

      btw, as terrible as Melo and JR were on sunday, our ORtg was still 104.4. My strong feeling is that if we can maintain an ORtg that high this whole series, we’ll win handily.

    74. Frank

      dogrufus: Our shooters miss because they aren’t that good unless they get wide open shots against bad defense.

      You mean like when we went 6-2 combined against Miami, OKC, and San Antonio this year and basically blew the doors off with our offense in those games?

      Newsflash – everyone has trouble scoring on the Celtics and the Pacers. They have really really good defenses. But they have crappy offenses. Our average D has to do better against their crappy offense and our good/great offense has to be slightly less crappy against their great defense.

      man, can’t believe i’m getting sucked into arguing with a troll.

    75. Frank

      ess-dog: Maybe I’m naive, but I’m actually not that worried, based on game 1. If we were given any kind of home court edge by the refs, we’d have won the other day, and our shooters are still shooting poorly.

      That game is completely different if the refs call some of those 50/50 calls (and some of the 70/30 ones too!) for the Knicks. With another officiating crew, Hibbert could’ve had 10 fouls that game.

    76. BigBlueAL

      I was looking forward to reading this thread when I saw nearly 100 comments on it but quickly lost my excitement about this thread when I saw that the majority of the comments were from dogrufus.

    77. Keniman Shumpwalker

      BigBlueAL:
      I was looking forward to reading this thread when I saw nearly 100 comments on it but quickly lost my excitement about this thread when I saw that the majority of the comments were from dogrufus.

      Kinda kills the mood, no?

    78. Hubert Davis

      jon abbey:
      I guess we are still a game away from Thomas B. reminiscing about the good old days of Al Harrington… :)

      I want no Kidd, no Novak (he’s not even good at 100 percent), no Amar’e (the reports of him in practice yesterday were depressing, Earl Barron snuffing him repeatedly). I want Copeland, I want Chandler to man up, I want Melo and JR to wake the fuck up and start playing more like they were a month ago.

      I want a win.

      Me, too. I am so dismayed by the fact that I hear us talking about Amar’e Stoudemire as our savior more than Chris Copeland.

      I hope Amar’e can play a few minutes and get into shape for the next series. But he ain’t going to fix our problems. Copeland can.

    79. Hubert Davis

      I think this series goes:

      G2 – NYK
      G3 – NYK
      G4 – IND
      G5 – NYK
      G6 – IND
      G7 – ???

    80. Frank

      dogrufus: What are you talking about?Per basketball-reference, BOS was 24th and Indy 20th.Boston’s offense matchups up much better with Rondo against us than without.He seems to go 30/10/10 against us every game because none of our guards can stay with him.

      What reason is there to believe we can maintain 104.4 offense?That’s our best offense of the postseason by far.That’s a positive outlier for us, and it still wasn’t nearly enough to win, at home.

      Also, we didn’t even have 104.4 offense.We used 81+11+10=103 possessions and scored 95.We probably won’t go 104.4 on offense in a single game this playoff.Do you use sources that caluclate ortg/drtg differently?

      Used Hollinger’s page for the team stats from 2012-13
      http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats

      Used B-R’s advanced box score for our 104.4:
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305050NYK.html

      And by the way we had a ORtg of 108.5 in game 3 against Boston, so no, 104.4 is not our best offense by far of the postseason.

    81. Keniman Shumpwalker

      dogrufus: Yeah, it’s usually so fun when we throw away the homecourt advantage we’re striven for all season.

      It’s fun, or at least it should be, when the team that we all allegedly root for is in the conference semi-finals and not down 3-0. You are welcome to your opinion on our chances going forward, everyone here is, but to present these opinions as fact and to take a fatalist approach in your analysis is not fun or productive and, frankly, is obviously unwelcome here. This is a fan site, and one which I come to because I respect the collective basketball acumen of the posters. And while I don’t agree with every opinion espoused in this space, I respect the fact that the most active posters here really take the time to absorb the game of basketball, study it, and form rational, educated opinions. What you’re doing is emotionally ranting about something that obviously causes you great stress in life, and what infuriates me (and I know I’m not alone in this) is that you tuck your tail between your legs and hide anytime something positive happens with this team that contradicts all of the absurdly negative viewpoints you put forth. If the Knicks do win this series, pulling off this miracle you believe it will take, I sincerely hope you are here front in center offering up your mea culpa.

    82. cgreene

      dogrufus, you are pretty much ruining this board on a game day. Do you mind? You are the reason no one is posting here today. Troll once or maybe twice if you have to. Calm down, have a cream soda, do some fuckin thing. This board isn’t for your personal catharsis because you are nervous about the game and trying to run some reverse jinx or weird shit that you are doing.

      I think you are only going to see some simple adjustments from Woodson. Starting the pick n roll higher up. More side pick and roll. Moving Chandler further away from Hibbert when Melo is on the post. Getting into offense faster.

      All things being relatively equal Chandler is the key. Even if Hibbert plays good D if Chandler shuts him down completely on the other end Knicks win. Also have to stop West from O rebs and making that little pocket pass to Hibbert which he did 2-3 times last game.

    83. Brian Cronin

      I definitely do agree with the argument that the key to Game 2 (and I think the key to the entire series, really) is starting the game well. As the Knicks discovered, the Pacers are just not a team you come back from a big deficit against. So the Knicks have to make sure that they’re not playing from behind early.

    84. Brian Cronin

      eh. One crappy game is not a trend.

      To be fair, that’s how pretty much every poster judges everyone in the NBA, not just the Knicks.

    85. Juany8

      dogrufus: Isn’t ortg supposed to be pts per 100 possessions?

      We had 95 points and used 102 possessions…

      Well since we all trust your math skills so much I guess we can ignore the people that keep track of th stat…

    86. Keniman Shumpwalker

      Juany8: Well since we all trust your math skills so much I guess we can ignore the people that keep track of th stat…

      Hmm…I was under the impression that math was a fairly useful skill for a “professional poker player”, especially in regards to probability of outcomes. Something is amiss here…

    87. thenamestsam

      dogrufus:

      I predict a blowout loss tonight and a sweep.

      dogrufus: G2- NYK
      G3- IND
      G4- IND
      G5- IND

      And you can take that to the bank

      Not sure about G2 though

      Since those dogrufus predictions are notoriously accurate I’d guess we’re looking at the first ever NBA game where a team is simultaneously blown out while also winning.

    88. Hubert Davis

      dogrufus: G2- NYK
      G3- IND
      G4- IND
      G5- IND

      And you can take that to the bank

      That was the most pointless trip to the bank I’ve ever had.

    89. jon abbey

      cgreene:
      dogrufus, you are pretty much ruining this board on a game day.Do you mind?You are the reason no one is posting here today.Troll once or maybe twice if you have to.Calm down, have a cream soda, do some fuckin thing.This board isn’t for your personal catharsis because you are nervous about the game and trying to run some reverse jinx or weird shit that you are doing.

      amen, amen, amen.

    90. Keniman Shumpwalker

      thenamestsam:
      Since those dogrufus predictions are notoriously accurate I’d guess we’re looking at the first ever NBA game where a team is simultaneously blown out while also winning.

      BAHAHAHA. Woops.

    91. jon abbey

      dogrufus: I’ll tell you what:I’m so sure the Knicks won’t win this series that I’ll submit to any embarassing/crow-eating penalty this board wants if they do.Maybe I could change my name to bitch rufus, or be required to include a self-shaming mandatory sentence in all my posts.

      I’m a dog of my word.Talk amongst yourselves and come up with an appropriate penalty for your hated troll, should he be wrong.

      just go away, win or lose. pessimism is one thing, but you are being a huge look-at-me douche and ruining the board today.

    92. Douglas

      DOGRUFUS, CHILD OF THE DARKNESS! HEAR HIS PROGNOSTICATIONS AND FEEL HIS PAIN! ALL WILL SUFFER FOR THE UNHAPPINESS THAT PERVADES HIS SOUL!!

      YES, PUNISH HIM IF HE IS WRONG! THE DARK LORD DOGRUFUS DEMANDS TO BE DISCIPLINED HARSHLY FOR HIS ERRORS, BECAUSE HE’S JUST INTO THAT SORT OF THING.

    93. Juany8

      Gotta say, I’ve never seen a thread where the same person was posting 5 times in a row… And not trying to edit a previous post or writing a super long one. Now I admit that I enjoy fucking with trolls and so I certainly haven’t helped the situation, but damn…. That’s some serious dedication to laughable positions

    94. KnickfaninNJ

      Dogrufus did ask a question that wasn’t answered. He said how did an offensive efficiency of 104.4 come from 95 points on 102 possessions. I don’t know the exact answer, but would surmise a different definition of possession is used than he used. 95 points and 91 possession gives 104.4 for offensive efficiency. In the game, the Knicks took 81 shots and had ten turnovers, which adds to 91 opportunities to score. This leaves out the effect of foul shots and Indiana blocks. An Indiana block, of which there were 8 would probably be counted as a shot by the Knicks, but not as an extra possession, so maybe there were actually 83 possessions (91 minus 8). On the other hand, there were some possessions where a Knick shot and missed but was fouled and went to the line. This would count as a possession, but not as a shot and so the number of these should be added to the 83. I can’t tell how many of these were from the boxscore, but the Knicks did take 23 foul shots. If 16 were in this category (eight two trips to the line, although I seem to remember one three shot trip too), then you get back the 91 possessions that gives the indicated offensive efficiency.

      Bottom line is that I see no way you can come up with 102 possessions for this game. The 91 is much more likely and gives the indicated efficiency.

    95. Douglas

      dogrufus: Finally, someone who gets me!

      THANK YOU, MY DARK LORD! YOU ARE A BRILLIANT CRUSADING BEACON OF LIGHT BRAVELY BATTLING THE GREAT LIE THAT IS ENJOYING SPORTS AND HAVING FUN FOLLOWING SPORTS.

      HOW DID WE EVER LIVE WITHOUT YOUR MASSIVE PEARLS OF AUGUST WISDOM? HOW WE WERE SO BLIND AS TO ACTUALLY TREAT SPORTS AS A FORM OF LEISURE AND ESCAPE, INSTEAD OF SACRIFICING OUR FIRSTBORN TO THE COLD, UNFORGIVING ALTAR OF PREDICTED ODDS?

    96. stratomatic

      Hubert Davis: Me, too.I am so dismayed by the fact that I hear us talking about Amar’e Stoudemire as our savior more than Chris Copeland.

      I hope Amar’e can play a few minutes and get into shape for the next series.But he ain’t going to fix our problems.Copeland can.

      If a 27 years rookie big man that can’t rebound or play defense and that is EV- overall is supposed to be our savior because he can score, then we are in way worse shape than I thought.

      Maybe dogrufus is right.

      IMO our ONLY chance is a fluke series of game where Melo and JR are hitting a lot of their bad shots at unsustainably high rates or AMARE getting fitter by game 3 and coming back and contributing.

      Amare has flaws on defense, but he can outrebound Copeland and is tested under extreme playoff pressure. Amare can CARRY a team offense on his back with a good PG if he’s anywhere close to 100%. Copeland would not be a rotation player on most teams in the NBA playoffs.

    97. flossy

      dogrufus: I’ll tell you what:I’m so sure the Knicks won’t win this series that I’ll submit to any embarassing/crow-eating penalty this board wants if they do.Maybe I could change my name to bitch rufus, or be required to include a self-shaming mandatory sentence in all my posts.

      I’m a dog of my word.Talk amongst yourselves and come up with an appropriate penalty for your hated troll, should he be wrong.

      If the Knicks take this series, will you just go away forever?

    98. DRed

      We finally get a break from a poster who incessantly posts his comically biased predictions and then his total opposite shows up. We cant catch a break.

    99. Juany8

      dogrufus: I only originated one post.The others are all replies to people answering my logical arguments with nonsense.

      Sorry you think it’s laughable that I think we have 75% chance of losing this series, but there really isn’t very strong reason to believe that is “laughable,” other than your own emotional bias.

      The playoffs thus far suggest we are much worse than out regular season records, especially our offense.Keep ignoring that evidence if you want.

      Stratomatic, Vegas, and history give the Knicks roughly a 40% chance of winning the series as it is. There is literally zero possibly evidence you could ever come up with that would give you a 25 % chance. There is nothing resembling logic in your posts, you can’t even be consistent within the same thread. You wanna have your little anonymous Internet attention then go ahead and whine non stop,if you want a single poster to take you seriously then stop posting stupid shit

    100. catrufus

      I would like to apologize for my stupid half. This thread has been a real shitfest.

    101. Juany8

      DRed:
      We finally get a break from a poster who incessantly posts his comically biased predictions and then his total opposite shows up.We cant catch a break.

      At least you kind of want to believe that ruru is right since it means the Knicks are fucking awesome. I laughed when he said the Knicks had a chance at 60 wins before the season, but I did have a small part of me wishing he was absolutely right about everything.

    102. Keniman Shumpwalker

      flossy: If the Knicks take this series, will you just go away forever?

      That’s right along the lines of what I was hoping for.

    103. er

      DRed:
      We finally get a break from a poster who incessantly posts his comically biased predictions and then his total opposite shows up.We cant catch a break.

      What if its the same person and RURU is just mindfucking us

    104. Brian Cronin

      TBF Bk said it wasnt him

      Yeah, but come on, a “friend” hacked his account to….make analysis? That is total bullshit. This is clearly MSG freaking out over one of their employees talking poorly about their star player. It is a shame. It is not even that the analysis from King was even all that great, but damn, dudes, chill out. A little criticism isn’t going to hurt anyone.

    105. BigBlueAL

      One thing about this series is everybody is worried about the Knicks and what they are struggling with which I am too but remember the Pacers arent exactly w/o flaws themselves. The Pacers will have a couple of horrible offensive games this series and might not have another game as good on offense as in Game 1. Knicks could continue to struggle on offense and still win a couple of games. They will need the offense to wake up to win the series however, cant assume they could beat the Pacers 4 times with Melo and JR continuing to struggle.

    106. er

      Brian Cronin: Yeah, but come on, a “friend” hacked his account to….make analysis? That is total bullshit. This is clearly MSG freaking out over one of their employees talking poorly about their star player. It is a shame. It is not even that the analysis from King was even all that great, but damn, dudes, chill out. A little criticism isn’t going to hurt anyone.

      Yea im with you, it wasnt that big a deal. So idk why he would lie and say it wasnt him, but maybe you are right

    107. Brian Cronin

      All celebrities follow Shaggy’s advice when it comes to problems on Twitter. “It wasn’t me!” No matter how obvious it was that it was them.

    108. er

      BigBlueAL:
      One thing about this series is everybody is worried about the Knicks and what they are struggling with which I am too but remember the Pacers arent exactly w/o flaws themselves.The Pacers will have a couple of horrible offensive games this series and might not have another game as good on offense as in Game 1.Knicks could continue to struggle on offense and still win a couple of games.They will need the offense to wake up to win the series however, cant assume they could beat the Pacers 4 times with Melo and JR continuing to struggle.

      yea the reason the knicks lost wasnt melo, jr, or hibbert. It was DJ augistine and stephenson

    109. catrufus

      er: What if its the same person and RURU is just mindfucking us

      The cognitive dissonance that accumulated from his overly optimistic predictions and the less-than-overly-optimistic reality finally led to the spawning of dogrufus.

      Each time Carmelo took a contested jumper with 23.8 seconds left on the shot clock, dogrufus grew a little bit bigger until finally he grew something akin to hands and fingers and made his way to some sort of computer.

      That’s the working theory, at least.

    110. DRed

      BK has been doing some work for MSG. Our shithead owner tolerates dissent in a manner reminiscent of Joe Stalin.

    111. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      All celebrities follow Shaggy’s advice when it comes to problems on Twitter. “It wasn’t me!” No matter how obvious it was that it was them.

      I prefer Boombastic.

    112. Brian Cronin

      BK has been doing some work for MSG. Our shithead owner tolerates dissent in a manner reminiscent of Joe Stalin.

      He really does. I feel bad (but not really) for the guys who suddenly have to change their tune to get in line with the company line. The “not really” part is that obviously the trade-off is good for them. Fame and a steady paycheck for changing their opinions a bit? Seems fair enough, I guess.

    113. er

      DRed:
      BK has been doing some work for MSG.Our shithead owner tolerates dissent in a manner reminiscent of Joe Stalin.

      lol whoa what a comparison

    114. catrufus

      dogrufus: I like this.I’d love to hear more from you!

      Ideally I would counterpoint and say the Knicks have a 75% chance of winning the series, but that would be far too optimistic.

      In all seriousness, though, your calculation above was flawed in that you set certain scenarios to 0% chances of winning. Even though being down 0-2 would likely spell second-round elimination for Knicks, there exists a non-negligible chance of winning. These shortcuts you took did underestimate the Knicks’ chances.

    115. thenamestsam

      DRed:
      We finally get a break from a poster who incessantly posts his comically biased predictions and then his total opposite shows up.We cant catch a break.

      I laughed at this

      er: What if its the same person and RURU is just mindfucking us

      I laughed at this a lot.

      I’ll say this. Ruru may be biased but two points are pretty different. For one, as Juany said, at least it’s positive bias. That’s a lot more enjoyable. Two, Ruru offers a lot of really thoughtful stuff to go along with his super homerism. When he’s not posting about Melo I think he basically always has interesting stuff to say. I don’t think dogrufus has offered one interesting opinion in this thread in about 50 posts. We get it. The Knicks aren’t going to win because they suck. Any evidence that shows they don’t suck doesn’t count because it’s from the regular season (which only counts in the ways it shows that they do suck) or against the Celtics (ditto). And I promise that’s my last post about it.

      Since the board has been all negativity today I’ll say this: My ticket is printed. I’m wearing the lucky underwear (apparently JR Smith jersey doesn’t qualify for business casual). I’m drinking tea to get my throat in proper shape. My heart is beating double speed already. My liquor cabinet is fully supplied for after (win or lose). The Knicks are in the 2nd round of the playoffs. They freaking NEED a win tonight. It’s the hated Pacers. Reggie is going to be in the building tonight. So is Spike. I’m fucking pumped, and honestly if you’re not I’m just glad I’m not you because that sounds fucking miserable.

      LET’S GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    116. Juany8

      dogrufus: Vegas isn’t an authoritative source.They have big margin for error and are likely to use algorithmic analysis that is simplistic and highly reliant on regular season data.They don’t have to be particularly accurate to real-life results, they just have to beat or come close to the market of opinions of imperfect and generally unsophisticated human bettors.

      Vegas is wrong all the time.Ask Bob Voulgaris.

      Most teams in out historical position are more advantaged over their opponents, so that overestimates our chances.

      Stratomatic, though he seems intelligent and rational, is not an authoritative source, and if he is, bad news for you: he bet against the Knicks.I’m sure strato would think I am overly bearish, just as I think he’s overly bullish as is Vegas.I put the question to strato:is my estimate of a 25% Knicks chance really so unreasonable as to be outside the realm of possibility?To be “laughable?”Or is it eminently possible that given the matchup, given the nature of playoff ball vs. regular season, given Melo’s QUESTIONABLE health status (even I don’t think he’s really this bad), that the Knicks have about 25% of winning 4 of 6 against this very good team?

      That’s not analysis. That’s you making up a bunch of hypotheticals to back up a number you came up with out of thin air. You’re welcome to say that number all you want, I think it’s laughable unless you believe the Pacers are just a clearly superior team. There is no evidence of the pacers being some kind of amazing team either, so you’re just talking out of your ass. I could say the Knicks have a 50% chance of winning this series and come up with all kinds of fun arguments as to why my number is right, doesn’t make it true in any way.

    117. Hubert Davis

      catrufus: The cognitive dissonance that accumulated from his overly optimistic predictions and the less-than-overly-optimistic reality finally led to the spawning of dogrufus.

      Each time Carmelo took a contested jumper with 23.8 seconds left on the shot clock, dogrufus grew a little bit bigger until finally he grew something akin to hands and fingers and made his way to some sort of computer.

      That’s the working theory, at least.

      I like this. A lot.

      But because the intelligence level in each post is so much lower than in RuRu, I’m going to assume that in order to become Dogrufus, RuRu has to inhale large amounts of nitrous oxide.

    118. d-mar

      BigBlueAL:
      I was looking forward to reading this thread when I saw nearly 100 comments on it but quickly lost my excitement about this thread when I saw that the majority of the comments were from dogrufus.

      Sort of like seeing a big pile of letters in your mailbox and then realizing it’s all junk mail.

    119. Juany8

      dogrufus: Yeah but when ruru is wrong you have the double whammy of having high expectations and getting bitter disappointment.

      When you believe dogrufus and he’s right, you at least know you didn’t get suckered.When he’s wrong, you get a delightful surprise, your team is awesome!

      It is the basketball version of Pascal’s wager.Believe in dogrufus and you will not be led astray!

      This only applies if you believe acting like a teenage girl on her period is an appropriate response to watching your team lose games you predicted they would lose.

    120. er

      Juany8: This only applies if you believe acting like a teenage girl on her period is an appropriate response to watching your team lose games you predicted they would lose.

      whoa, idk

    121. ruruland

      As hilarious as it would be, I’m not dog. With the exception of this post to clear my id, I’ve placed myself on a postingmoratorium until after the playoffs for the betterment of this site. I was not advised by anyone to take that action, its my volition.

      I stand by what I say about the team, today, the future, Melo, JR, and I stand by my pledge to discontinue posting until the Knicks season ends, if they’re the last team standing or not.

      I hope you understand.

    122. jon abbey

      ruru, you are a fucking pussy if you stick to that, whatever the reason or logic behind that.

      meanwhile the entire day of a huge game has been ruined on here by one out of his mind schmuck. we desperately need a new board/some actual moderation/something better. can’t someone start a real Knicks board discussion site?

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