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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Mar 06 2012)

  • [New York Times] Tyson Chandler Will Tape Up and Play On (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:39:08 GMT)
    Knicks center Tyson Chandler is coping with multiple injuries to his left hand and wrist and will probably be playing through pain for the rest of the season.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Thunder, With Late Rally, Top Mavericks to Extend Home Winning Streak to 13 (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:39:13 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook scored 24 points, Kevin Durant added 22 and Oklahoma City scored the final 8 points in a 95-91 victory over Dallas Mavericks and run their home winning streak to 13 games.

  • [New York Times] On Basketball: Star Turn Leaves the Knicks’ Lin to Learn in the Spotlight (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:39:13 GMT)
    The next inevitable phase of the Jeremy Lin story is under way, in which the Knicks point guard makes the critical adjustment from instant celebrity to enduring basketball star.

  • [New York Times] Batum Has 19 in Blazers’ 86-74 Win Over Hornets (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:35:32 GMT)
    Nicolas Batum scored 19 points and the Portland Trail Blazers snapped a three-game losing streak with an 86-74 victory over the New Orleans Hornets on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Blow Away Pacers in Second Half (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:26:29 GMT)
    A dynamite third quarter by Derrick Rose and the Bulls denied Indiana any chance of a second straight win in Chicago.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Rally for 119-116 OT Win Over Kings (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:20:34 GMT)
    Arron Afflalo hit three free throws with 0.6 seconds left in regulation, Ty Lawson made a 3-pointer with four seconds remaining in overtime, and the Denver Nuggets rallied for a 119-116 victory over the struggling Sacramento Kings on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Orlando Lives in Fear of Being Abandoned by ‘Superman’ (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:33:35 GMT)
    Dwight Howard is the face of the Orlando Magic franchise but the towering center and scoring leader’s uncertain future in Florida following a trade request is taking its toll on team moral.

  • [New York Times] Love’s 39 Carries Wolves Over Clippers (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:05:43 GMT)
    Kevin Love had 39 points and 17 rebounds to carry the Minnesota Timberwolves to a 95-94 victory over the Los Angeles Clippers on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Udrih Hits Late Jumper, Bucks Beat 76ers 97-93 (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:53:45 GMT)
    Beno Udrih hit a go-ahead jumper with just under a minute left, and the Milwaukee Bucks held off a late comeback to beat the Philadelphia 76ers 97-93 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Blow Away Pacers in Second Half (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:56:34 GMT)
    Luol Deng scored 20 points, teaming with Derrick Rose in a decisive third-quarter rally that sent the Chicago Bulls to their seventh straight victory, 92-72 over the Indiana Pacers on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Thunder Rally Late to Beat Mavericks 95-91 (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:50:31 GMT)
    Russell Westbrook scored 24 points, Kevin Durant added 22 and the Oklahoma City Thunder scored the final eight points to escape with a 95-91 victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Monday night and run their home winning streak to 13 games.

  • [New York Times] Howard Has 36 Points as Magic Beat Raptors (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:17:54 GMT)
    The Orlando Magic couldn’t count on their outsider shooters most of the night. Fortunately, they could rely on Dwight Howard.

  • [New York Times] Jefferson, Hayward Lead Jazz Past Cavs, 109-100 (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:11:50 GMT)
    The Utah Jazz finally found a way to win on the road.

  • [New York Times] Ellis Scores 25 in Warriors’ Blowout 120-100 Win (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:27:41 GMT)
    Monta Ellis scored 25 points and Klay Thompson added 18 to lead the Golden State Warriors in a 120-100 rout of the Washington Wizards on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Knicks and Rangers Ticket Prices Rise Again (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 00:59:41 GMT)
    The Madison Square Garden Company said that the average price of Knicks season tickets would increase 4.9 percent next season, while Rangers season tickets will rise 9.5 percent.

  • [New York Daily News] Green Lin stillALL learning on fly (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:15:26 GMT)
    Big Green used to mean that that Jeremy Lin was playing against Dartmouth, a team and a defense he could ace like a Harvard economy exam.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks tix about to see price Lin-crease (Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:13:00 GMT)
    For the second straight year the Knicks are raising ticket prices. The team announced on Monday that prices next season will increase by an average of 4.9%, mostly in the upper bowl, which is being renovated. Last season, the bump for some seats was as high as 49%.

  • 19 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Mar 06 2012)

    1. Frank O.

      Love already, in my view, is the best power forward in the league and his play lately is putting him in the conversation for the top 10 players in basketball.
      Monster numbers the past two games.

    2. Frank O.

      Although that game last night was ridiculously sloppy down the stretch with stupid fouls, poor foul shooting and the like.

    3. johnlocke

      Pringles is sticking with Fields in the starting lineup “potentially forever”….according to ESPN

    4. johnlocke

      Pringles also defended his position to not foul…quoting statistics, etc. He should have quoted the statistics of the Celtics burning us with last second shots over the last couple years….so stubborn!

    5. Frank

      Have been thinking a lot about that game (and our recent games in general). I actually think MDA is doing a nice job this year in general and that Woodson, JJ, Chandler, Shumpert et al have done a good job turning the defensive identity of this team around. I think we’ll probably be the 6 or 7 seed eventually and would be happy to make the 2nd round of the playoffs, giving MIA or CHI a tough run in the 2nd round.

      I think what this team REALLY needs is something like a quality control coach. MDA has shown us that he has great ideas and can get his players to play hard, but he does not have great attention to detail, and I think his laid-back style of coaching lends itself to undisciplined play. The attention to detail part has been talked about at length here re: in-game adjustments, but the undisciplined play is really killing us.

      Things I think of as effort stats: forced TOs, rebounding. We force the second highest TOR just a hair behind Memphis. We’re 5th in Defensive rebound rate and middle of the pack (19th) in ORR – much improved since last year. We have a top 10 “defensive play/100 poss rate” as defined by hoopdata (ie. steals/blocks/charges drawn). I think these are indicative of a team that plays hard – which is great. MDA and the players should be commended for this.

      BUT.

      Things that I think of as “discipline” stats: own turnovers, PF rate, technical fouls. We are horrible in TOs, 2nd worst in the league in TOR. We are 24th in the league in PFs and 21st in the league in opponents’ FT/FGA. We are DEAD LAST in the league with 46 technical fouls or nearly 1.5 points/game. Any one of these on their own is sort of acceptable but when you are horrible in all of them it is a systemic problem, and when you are great at all of them you’re probably pretty good- case in point – SA is best in techs, opponent FT rate, and 2nd in own TOs. CHI is 3rd in opponent FT rate, 5th in own TOs, 10th in techs (only 25).

    6. Garson

      I hate hypothetical’s …. however was thinking about this recently.

      If we still had the amnesty available…. Would we use it on Amare this offseason and go after Howard? or just use the cap space for less expensive fill ins? No way to answer this … but something to think about…

    7. d-mar

      My biggest beef with D’Antoni is his end of game “plays”. I put the word plays in quotes, because as long as he’s been here, the last shot ends up being a player getting the ball (most recently Melo) and going ISO and forcing up a tough shot. Not saying other teams don’t end up with the same thing sometimes, but how about a screen or a double screen or something other than an ISO? Garnett has proven that you can pretty much maul players on screens without a foul call, so why don’t we run those types of plays?

      As elated as I was with Lin’s shot to beat the Raptors, it was just him dribbling down the clock and launching a 3 pointer. Great play!

    8. ess-dog

      Re: The Celtics game, I really don’t think the sky is falling. We generally played well with some lapses due to this team not playing much together. On the last play, I would’ve doubled Pierce knowing his history with game-winning shots against us, but it’s not like he had clean looks. He made 2 impossible shots in a row. The one before the last he actually pushed the ball through the defenders hand and it still went in! I couldn’t believe it.

      That being said, we are 14 points worse per 100 possessions with Amare on the floor. That just won’t do. He’s playing equal to Jeffries on offense but without the good Jeffries defense. I actually don’t think he was that bad last game – not outstanding, but not the usual liability. Hopefully he can slowly improve. His problem, it seems to me, is that he’s not allowing himself to get physical under the basket… I feel like he’s being cautious because of the back. I would love to see the Amare from the 1st game in the Celtic playoff series. Imagine him with a healed Melo, Chandler and Lin?

      Re: Howard, I think you have to try and get him but I would assume the goal would be to pair him with Melo, in which case you’d have to trade other parts, which seems less likely. Howard is great but he’s not LeBron great. This year he’s not much better than Chandler. Yes he’s clearly the best defender in the league and he can score in bunches under the basket, but we could end up in the same position as Orlando if we get him (Amare = Turkoglu?) Pretty much no one would take Amare at this point. Maybe Atlanta would for Josh Smith?

      But I’m not giving up on Amare. If he can just start hitting the elbow jumper at a rate that many of us could, then he would be good enough. As long as he keeps the serious defensive lapses to three a game.

    9. art vandelay

      I agree D´antoni is an excellent big picture coach, but as alluded to above, his in-game decision-making leaves a lot to be desires, and play calling down the stretch of games has often been abyssmal. The one shining moment I think was the play at the end of the Minnesota game in which Novakaine got an open 3 to tie the game…and that play was off of a pick set by Chandler to free up Novak.

    10. Frank

      ess-dog:
      Howard is great but he’s not LeBron great.This year he’s not much better than Chandler.

      Why would we want to trade Chandler for Howard when TC is so much better by WS/48?

      http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=chandty01&y1=2012&p2=howardw01&y2=2012

      sorry I couldn’t resist =)

      to be fair – DH12 is #1 in win score, but Chandler is #5.

      That’s the closest I could find to wins produced – where does one find up-to-date wins produced and WP/48 numbers?

    11. thenamestsam

      Frank I mostly agree with you about the effort vs. discipline thing. In some ways I thought we looked TOO fired up for the Boston game – while it’s fantastic to play hard you also have to play smart, and the Knicks looked like they were too jacked up to play smart. The big issue for me was that once it became obvious that we were forcing things, he showed no ability to settle the team at all. He called timeouts and looked exasperated, but the team kept playing the same over-exuberant style. And I’m not sure a quality control type coach can solve the problem. Usually you have an assistant who’s more of the get everyone fired up type and a head coach who’s the guy who keeps everyone focused and settled. I’m not sure it can work the other way just because a good cop, bad cop type dynamic requires that the bad cop ultimately be in charge. If he’s not, then his “threats” essentially lack credibility and people only react to the good cop. Not sure if that was clear at all.

    12. art vandelay

      Part of the problem is that intrinsically the offensive system and style of play sort of lend themselves to overexuberance and recklessness with the basketball (unless Steve Nash is the PG leading the attack), which results in turnovers and undisciplined play, particularly among young players, of which we have several who handle the ball in the backcourt (Shump, Fields, Lin).

      It would be interesting to look at players who were highly undisciplined under D´antoni as Knicks to see if they were effectively reined in under another head coach and less undisciplined. I suppose we could use Nate Robinson as an example, as he seems to being playing more under control (from what I have seen, I must admit I don´t have time to dredge up the advanced stats)…perhaps the same could be said for Anthony Randolph in his limited minutes on Minnesota. Trouble is, again, that it is difficult to tease out the influence the coach, himself, has on a player´s undisciplined or disciplined play when he is playing in a different system that may by its very nature lend itself to more or less disciplined play.

    13. Caleb

      art vandelay:
      Part of the problem is that intrinsically the offensive system and style of play sort of lend themselves to overexuberance and recklessness with the basketball (unless Steve Nash is the PG leading the attack), which results in turnovers and undisciplined play, particularly among young players, of which we have several who handle the ball in the backcourt (Shump, Fields, Lin).

      It would be interesting to look at players who were highly undisciplined under D´antoni as Knicks to see if they were effectively reined in under another head coach and less undisciplined. I suppose we could use Nate Robinson as an example, as he seems to being playing more under control (from what I have seen, I must admit I don´t have time to dredge up the advanced stats)…perhaps the same could be said for Anthony Randolph in his limited minutes on Minnesota. Trouble is, again, that it is difficult to tease out the influence the coach, himself, has on a player´s undisciplined or disciplined play when he is playing in a different system that may by its very nature lend itself to more or less disciplined play.

      Nate is actually having a great year.. turned into a real PG. If his 3-point shot every comes back..

      But I would say, your “undisciplined” is my “aggressive.” For good or bad, he likes his PG to push the ball, pressure the defense and make decisions. More good shots, but more turnovers. Nash is a high-TO guy, but probably wouldn’t be if he played for Stan Van Gundy.

    14. TelegraphedPass

      I like Caleb’s response. This offense runs well when Lin is aggressive and Carmelo is making quick decisions with the ball in his hands. I think if we try to slow down and play more under control, teams like Boston will tear us apart. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. Westbrook is criticized for turning the ball over too much, but the Thunder are the favorites to win the West. Obviously Russ’ aggression isn’t breaking the offense of OKC, and Scott Brooks has said as much.

      I don’t hate Lin’s turnovers off of his drives. He’s young, and I think he can learn to better control those miscues with experience and reps. I don’t like Lin and Baron going for alley oop plays and downcourt lobs and fumbling those away.

    15. TelegraphedPass

      @7

      Ultimately, I don’t think there is a whole lot DA should do regarding late-game plays. Carmelo has displayed a willingness and ability to hit those shots under pressure his whole career. The last thing NY should do is take away Melo’s confidence by asking him to change who he is as a player. Carmelo was absolutely ravaged when he made the decision to give the ball to a relatively open Jared Jeffries in the playoffs last year. This time, Melo had just converted a shot over Pierce and his confidence was high. I support letting Melo play his role. I hated him being asked to play point forward, to run the offense, and having all the blame when he plays worse than usual and the team isn’t successful. Melo came here to be a scorer, a leader, and a closer. The more confidence the team shows in him, the better.

    16. d-mar

      @15 Pierce and Allen are great closers, but they still set screens to try and free them up. I just don’t think every last play should be inbounding the ball and having the player who receives the ball dribble the clock down and launch a contested shot. There’s gotta be more than that in the playbook.

    17. Z

      d-mar:

      As elated as I was with Lin’s shot to beat the Raptors, it was just him dribbling down the clock and launching a 3 pointer. Great play!

      The Knicks didn’t have any time outs left a the end of the raptor’s game. And they did run a play. It led to a missed shot, but Chandler got the offensive rebound and kicked it out to Lin, who wisely ran the clock down to ensure that they had the last possession.

    18. TelegraphedPass

      @15 I definitely understand where you’re coming from. I don’t claim that a Melo iso was the right play, only that allowing him to run it shows confidence in him and I believe that’s more important than the other options. Melo can convert that shot; he just missed.

    19. TelegraphedPass

      Meh, let me re-phrase that. I don’t claim that Melo’s iso gave them the highest percentage shot, but I feel it was important to show support in his ability to convert a shot he has hit countless times over the course of his career.

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