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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jun 18 2013)

  • [New York Times] Heat Have No Room for Error Versus Spurs in Game 6 (Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:38:39 GMT)
    They lost three times in three months in one of the most overpowering stretches the NBA has ever seen.    

  • [New York Times] Connelly New Boss at Nuggets (Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:41:19 GMT)
    The Denver Nuggets named Tim Connelly as their new general manager on Monday after Masai Ujiri joined the Toronto Raptors last month.    

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Russian Women Out of World Championship (Tue, 18 Jun 2013 03:35:16 GMT)
    Russia did not advance past the opening round of the EuroBasket women’s tournament in France.    

  • [New York Times] Proposed Celtics Trade Could Send Rivers to the Clippers (Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:37:06 GMT)
    If a deal under discussion is completed, the highly regarded Coach Doc Rivers and Kevin Garnett, 37, of Boston would be sent to Los Angeles for center DeAndre Jordan and a No. 1 pick.    

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Unpredictable N.B.A. Series, Driven by Little Things (Tue, 18 Jun 2013 01:31:39 GMT)
    To defeat the Spurs in the finals, the Heat will have to do something neither team has managed so far: win two games in a row.    

  • 10 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jun 18 2013)

    1. mokers

      This Clippers trade rumor is hard to figure out. Chris Paul has to be behind it , right? Like saying that hiring him is the only reason he doesn’t leave? I’m just not sure that Garnett at this stage of his career is going to make a difference in the west. Too much talk of bringing a championship pedigree and toughness. Nobody is mentioning he should be on a minutes limit. Doc Rivers is a good coach but there are plenty of good coaches out there now, especially since the nets took Kidd and the pistons picked up Cheeks. And why help bail him out of his contract when he won’t take a discount to sign with you? The lakers are down and may be without Howard, Denver will be down until gallo gets back. It could be possible to compete in the west even if Paul leaves. In the end I think Sterling is too cheap to get it done, but it doesn’t even seem like a good basketball move to me.

    2. DS

      I don’t know if there is anything to these Clips/Celtics rumors but I think the rumored deal sucks for the Clips (Bledsoe or not). They are a good, deep team who probably could have gone much further in the playoffs under better circumstances. Still, it’s hard to imagine how an upgrade from DeAndre to KG (and IMHO, it’s a big one even at KG’s age) would get them a title before KG retires. Their coaching position is attractive so I don’t think it’s a given that Rivers would be head-and-shoulders above whoever else they might be able to sign. If they have to give up Bledsoe, a (low) first-rounder, and/or logjam their payroll by taking on Terry or Lee, that obviously sours the deal more.

    3. DS

      mokers: Chris Paul has to be behind it , right?

      That may be what lies beneath… if that’s true, I’d call him on his bluff, if I were L.A. He’s injury prone and needs the guaranteed money. He’s not exactly in a bad situation and I don’t buy that he’s as livid over the handling of the Del Negro firing as ESPN would suggest!

    4. yellowboy90

      Chris Paul can’t be behind this. Remember he doesn’t get involved with front office decisions. See Del Negro.

    5. flossy

      Just getting rid of DeAndre Jordan would be a win for the Clippers. The guy is paid $11 million/year, is a poor man’s Tyson Chandler on offense (especially since he can’t hit a damn FT) and is terrible defensively. The Clips were 6.4 pts/100 worse on defense when he was on the court last season! What exactly is he good for, again? Cool dunks? Okay, whatever. Trading Jordan for KG and upgrading the coaching position would absolutely be worth letting go of the overrated Bledsoe, who still has tons of question marks about his game and is due for a new contract next summer.

    6. thenamestsam

      flossy:
      Just getting rid of DeAndre Jordan would be a win for the Clippers.The guy is paid $11 million/year, is a poor man’s Tyson Chandler on offense (especially since he can’t hit a damn FT) and is terrible defensively.The Clips were 6.4 pts/100 worse on defense when he was on the court last season!What exactly is he good for, again?Cool dunks?Okay, whatever.Trading Jordan for KG and upgrading the coaching position would absolutely be worth letting go of the overrated Bledsoe, who still has tons of question marks about his game and is due for a new contract next summer.

      A couple things to add. One is that I think everyone needs to keep in mind that Kevin Garnett is 37 years old. I know it didn’t stop him from being really good last year, but keep in mind how fast Nash fell off a cliff. At absolute most you’re hoping for two more good years from him. With Paul’s constant injury concerns a little short term thinking might not be unwarranted, but there’s a non-zero chance that you never get the KG you think you’re trading for.

      Second is that while Deandre Jordan is a serious liability right now esspecially with that contract you really don’t have to go very far back to find people saying the same things about Roy Hibbert. Bigs can take time and the guys only 24 years old and has had incompetent coaching his entire career. I’m not saying he’s an especially valuable asset, but not many guys in the league have the physical package he has. I still think he might be salvageable in the right situation.

      I’m not saying you’re wrong and I agree that the Clips should do that deal if available, but I don’t think it’s quite as black and white as you’re making it out to be.

    7. flossy

      thenamestsam: Second is that while Deandre Jordan is a serious liability right now esspecially with that contract you really don’t have to go very far back to find people saying the same things about Roy Hibbert. Bigs can take time and the guys only 24 years old and has had incompetent coaching his entire career. I’m not saying he’s an especially valuable asset, but not many guys in the league have the physical package he has. I still think he might be salvageable in the right situation.

      Hibbert took a little while to come into his own, but I don’t think anyone ever said Hibbert was a terrible defender, or that Hibbert would have a better chance at winning a coin toss than hitting a free throw. Hibbert has played less than 2,000 mins more than Jordan in the pros and is light years ahead of Jordan. If I’m Boston, I’m not sure I wouldn’t prefer trading Pierce for picks, letting KG retire and telling Doc to go cool his heels somewhere rather than take on DeAndre Jordan as some kind of consolation “prize.”

    8. Hubert

      flossy: Hibbert took a little while to come into his own,

      A little while, and an apparent rule change that only applies to him.

      But yeah, Hibbert was much more promising than Jordan ever has been. I hope Boston gets saddled with him.

    9. thenamestsam

      flossy: Hibbert took a little while to come into his own, but I don’t think anyone ever said Hibbert was a terrible defender, or that Hibbert would have a better chance at winning a coin toss than hitting a free throw.Hibbert has played less than 2,000 mins more than Jordan in the pros and is light years ahead of Jordan.If I’m Boston, I’m not sure I wouldn’t prefer trading Pierce for picks, letting KG retire and telling Doc to go cool his heels somewhere rather than take on DeAndre Jordan as some kind of consolation “prize.”

      True, but people were trashing his contract here and elsewhere less than a year ago. People said it had killed any hope Indiana had of being a contender and were already calling it one of the worst contracts in the league before he played a minute. I think it’s hard to avoid letting our current perceptions color these comparisons but I’m not sure the reactions to someone trading for Hibbert’s max deal a year ago would have been that far from your reaction to Jordan now.

      And the minute thing is a bit of a red herring in my opinion. Hibbert has played 2000 more minutes now than Jordan, which is basically a full year for Jordan. He also played 4 years at Georgetown (legendary for developing big men) vs. a single year at Texas A&M. He also has had significantly better coaches since he came into the NBA. Look, I’m not saying it’s a foregone conclusion that Jordan is about to blossom or anything like that. Far from it. I just think looking at his current numbers and concluding he’s worthless is a bit simplistic. There’s still reasons to think that with a real coach it might be possible to unlock significantly more of his potential.

    10. flossy

      thenamestsam: There’s still reasons to think that with a real coach it might be possible to unlock significantly more of his potential.

      I suppose, but one condition of Jordan’s being traded to Boston is that Boston’s coach moves out to LA, no?

      You’re right that Garnett is not assured to be healthy and productive next season, but I still think ditching Jordan should be a priority for LAC if they can get anything of value back, to say nothing of Garnett. Sure, there’s a chance he might blossom. But usually centers in their mid-20s who have played 5 full years in the NBA don’t make a giant leap. And trading for DeAndre Jordan is essentially making a $22 million dollar wager that he’ll transform into a real impact center instead of a 24 mpg question mark who can’t be on the court in crunch time because he’s a sieve on defense and can’t hit FTs. Do you think Boston wants to pay Jordan more than they pay Rondo? I doubt it (which is why I doubt this deal happens).

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