dogrufus: Really? In which years are they making 20+ million?

Melo = $20M in 2012-13.
Chandler+Gallo = $18M in 2012-13. That’s pretty close.

dogrufus: The stretch provision could have more or less obviated the luxury tax payments you’re clutching your pearls over as if you were Dolan’s sole heir.

If you read my post above, you would have seen that even using the stretch, Lin would cost the Knicks $25MM/year played and also have cost 2 years of $5M dead cap space. So it is a risk.

dogrufus: Lin would have been tradable as a highly valuable asset and possibly even brought back picks if we wanted to cut salary.

Really. First of all, trading him means taking back salary also, which means ~$45MM in luxury tax payments. Second, who is going to give us a good offer when they know we are under a $45MM anvil? Third, if he’s awesome, then we don’t want to trade him and he costs ~$50MM that year. Ouch. If he’s average, then who wants a $15MM average player who you don’t have control of the next year? If he sucks, then who wants a sucky $15MM player?

The only offers you will get for him in trade are bad trades. That is most likely the calculation that Grunwald made.

If you took 1 second to actually think out what you write, you would save all of us time.

Frank:
btw re: the Melo trade – remember that Wilson Chandler and Gallinari are basically making Melo $ now (combined).$ for $, I take Melo. I know THCJ disagrees, but I’m pretty sure that 99% of the smart basketball world would agree.

Really? In which years are they making 20+ million?

Oh, none?

So what you meant to say when you said they’re making Melo money is, they’re not making anything fucking close to Melo money?

That’d be about the level of accuracy and realism usually found in your posts, so it makes sense.

Frank: In your own words, total and absolute conjecture. We have no idea why we now have Felton over Lin. IMHO the reason that makes the most sense is that Felton will cost $45MM less over 3 seasons than Lin. Sounds like business.

What about Balkman again? Is he even in the league anymore?

Re: trading the farm for Melo – I was against the trade at the time (not because I didn’t want Melo – just not at that price), but I think that other than the 2014 draft pick, this has turned out ok.We have Felton back, for pete’s sake, Wilson Chandler is an average-replaceable player, and Gallo is good. Not great. Not difference-making (yet).Also replaceable. If it were me (and I wrote this 100x back then), I would have said WChandler + fat Eddy’s contract – take it or leave it, and we’ll sign Melo at FA if you leave it.

I’m reasonably ok with this team right now. yes I’d be happier if Lin were here, and if we had our 2014 pick still, and if we had Ty Lawson.I think this team will win 55 games next year and be a serious contender to get to the ECF.In this era of LBJ/Wade/Bosh/Ray, that’s about all you can ask for.No amount of Gallinari or Ty Lawson would make us better than that.

LOL. Only among the few shills on this board is the jury still out on whether this was the stupidest move of all time. Lin is already clearly better than Felton will ever be. The stretch provision could have more or less obviated the luxury tax payments you’re clutching your pearls over as if you were Dolan’s sole heir. Lin would have been tradable as a highly valuable asset and possibly even brought back picks if we wanted to cut salary.

But no, let’s be excited about our completely maxed out 50 win team that has no hope of improving or winning more than 1-2 playoff series.

Sorry if I can’t get excited about 55 when we were already about that good last year and…

This is really a great move for the Knicks. If he could only shoot.

The Honorable Cock Jowles: You should go back and reread the articles that explained how the Knicks could cut him after year 2 and save tens of millions. There’s absolutely no explanation for cutting Lin aside from inside information (that we don’t have) about his knee or Dolan being a emotional, vindictive idiot. And since the first is terribly unlikely, I’m going to go with “Dolan is an idiot,” since Occam’s Razor would back me up on that.

Also, the Balkman contract was a terrible move that could have cost us Novak (and Lin). Plus, I think he was an excellent player for his contracts. Stoned on the court, maybe, but a very efficient player.

So, being that you’re technically a Nuggets fans, given that they have basically all the players you like, I’m assuming you believe they’ll go further than the Knicks this season….

If not, I’d like to know how they’re going to improve moving forward given how close they are to the apron and the fact that their owner is not likely to go into the tax.

The Honorable Cock Jowles: You should go back and reread the articles that explained how the Knicks could cut him after year 2 and save tens of millions. There’s absolutely no explanation for cutting Lin aside from inside information (that we don’t have) about his knee or Dolan being a emotional, vindictive idiot. And since the first is terribly unlikely, I’m going to go with “Dolan is an idiot,” since Occam’s Razor would back me up on that.

LOL – you should read my posts where I did the math to see how much it would cost us to use the stretch provision. I’ll do it again for remediation:

2012-13 –> $5M salary, ~8M luxury tax = $13M total
2013-14 –> $5M salary, ~8.5M luxury tax = $13.5M total
2014-15 –> WAIVED, $5M salary, ~9M luxury tax = $14M total
2015-16 –> $5M salary, dead $ on cap while trying to sign Kevin Love + others
2016-17 –> $5M salary, dead $ on cap

Total = $50.5M for 2 seasons played, + 2 seasons of dead money on cap when we may need every dollar to refill this roster.

Call me crazy, but $25M/year + 2 seasons of dead money seems like a reasonable reason to let him go for business reasons.

Re: the Balkman contract — I honestly don’t remember what that was all about. We just waived him right? We’d have had to pay him whether on the team or not.

ephus:
In 2012-13, Gallo and Chandler will combine for $15.4 million, and ‘Melo will be $19.4 million.

Doesn’t really matter, but Hoopsworld has Gallo making $10.5MM and Chandler making $7.4MM in 2012-13. For some reason they still have 2011-12 on their website as the first column.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/denver-nuggets-team-salary