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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jul 10 2012)

  • [New York Post] Smith, Novak agree to return to Knicks (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:48:10 -0500)
    The 3-point bombers will be back on Broadway.
    Eight hours after shooting ace Steve Novak agreed to return to the Knicks on a four-year, $15 million contract, high-scoring sub J.R. Smith stopped fielding offers and accepted the standing proposal of a two-year deal starting at $2.8 million in…

  • [New York Post] Camby land: Knicks get center back in sign-and-trade (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:48:10 -0500)
    Marcus Camby is back where he enjoyed playing the most â?? on the Garden stage.
    The 7-foot defensive specialist out of Hartford will get the chance to be a Knick again, for at least two seasons. The Knicks won the Camby sweepstakes last night, but lost a big chunk of their…

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Dwight Howard’s Interest In Nets Signals New Era (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:46:45 GMT)
    Dwight Howard’s interest in joining the Brooklyn team changed the landscape of the N.B.A., rendering the Nets no longer a punch line, but a destination.

  • [New York Times] Knicks Acquire Marcus Camby and Re-Sign Steve Novak (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:46:47 GMT)
    The Knicks made two moves Monday to build their roster, acquiring Marcus Camby in a sign-and-trade deal with the Houston Rockets and agreeing to a four-year deal with Steve Novak.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Heat’s Wade Has Knee Surgery (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:00:08 GMT)
    Dwyane Wade of the Miami Heat had surgery on his left knee and is expected to need up to eight weeks to recover.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Rockets Deal Camby to Knicks (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:51:39 GMT)
    Marcus Camby is returning to New York, while the Houston Rockets continue to reshape their roster.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Chandler Featured on Cover of ESPN’s Body Issue (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:38:12 GMT)
    Tyson Chandler, one of 27 athletes to pose nude for ESPN The Magazine’s Body Issue, will grace one of four covers, due out Wednesday.

  • [ESPN.com - New York Knicks] Knicks to re-sign J.R. Smith (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:48:01 EDT)
    Free agent J.R. Smith has agreed to return to the Knicks.
    The veteran shooting guard will sign a two-year contract worth $2.8 million, two league sources told ESPNNewYork.com. The deal is guaranteed for the first season and contains a player option for the second season.
    Click here to read the rest of the story.

  • [New York Daily News] Welcome back, Camby: Knicks reacquire center (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:48:14 GMT)
    James Dolan ran Marcus Camby out of town 10 years ago but now he is embracing him with open arms and an open checkbook. The Knicks strengthened their bench on Monday by re-signing Steve Novak and acquiring Camby from the Houston Rockets in a sign-and-trade.

  • [New York Newsday] Knicks do sign-and-trade for Marcus Camby; Steve Novak, J.R. Smith will be back (Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:13:18 EDT)
    The Knicks brought back a player who helped them to playoff success more than a decade ago and another player who helped them reach the postseason this past year.

  • 23 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jul 10 2012)

    1. Z-man

      So, lets see now:
      Amare
      Chandler
      Melo
      JR
      Lin
      Kidd
      Camby
      Novak
      Shump
      White
      Gadzuric

      If you go back to mid-May, before the Bird rights issue surfaced, if someone told you we would not only keep Lin, Novak and JR, but would add Kidd and Camby, most here would have called that pie in the sky. If they told you that we were going to lose Jordan, Jorts and Fields in the process, most here could have lived with that.

      Just feels like something important is missing, probably a scorer of some sort. We don’t have anything but the vet’s min to offer Prigioni, right?

    2. marxster

      Douglas is gone as well.

      Z-man:
      So, lets see now:
      Amare
      Chandler
      Melo
      JR
      Lin
      Kidd
      Camby
      Novak
      Shump
      White
      Gadzuric

      If you go back to mid-May, before the Bird rights issue surfaced, if someone told you we would not only keep Lin, Novak and JR, but would add Kidd and Camby, most here would have called that pie in the sky. If they told you that we were going to lose Jordan, Jorts and Fields in the process, most here could have lived with that.

      Just feels like something important is missing, probably a scorer of some sort. We don’t have anything but the vet’s min to offer Prigioni, right?

    3. Z-man

      Some random thoughts:

      ruru, I think this is the year we find out for sure what Melo is and can be. I truly believe he has the talent and the body to be a top-5 player, but he has been held back by a lack of physical commitment and intellectual dedication to the game. If he comes in chiseled and willing to adapt to this team’s character and needs, this could be a monster season for him. I’m optimistic that it will happen.

      I am really praying that Lin was not a fluke and that he and Kidd form a solid, steady PG tandem. This was the most painful aspect of last year, and maybe for the last decade, watching one stiff PG after another run the offense. Optimistic here, too.

      Amare is the biggest X-factor of all. He said all the right things last year coming into the season and proceeded to disappoint on both ends of the court. His defense was the worst I had ever seen at the PF position. He may be the guy that rips our heart out.

      A rehabbing Shump and low b-ball IQ JR is not a SG rotation that inspires confidence. Amare’s status will be a big part of how serious of an issue this turns out to be. If Amare returns to being an all-star caliber scorer, that will take some of the pressure to score off of these guys. Otherwise, we will have truble in those games when these 2 guys put up a 3-20 from the field.

      Can Novak add a dimension to his game this late in his career?

      What does Flight White bring to the table? Is he a rotation player?

    4. Frank

      marxster: Just feels like something important is missing, probably a scorer of some sort. We don’t have anything but the vet’s min to offer Prigioni, right?

      I think the offense will be fine. It’s likely that 2 out of our high-usage guys will be on the court at all times (Lin/JR/Melo/Amare), which will create enough touches for everyone. Figure we will go 8-9 deep by end of the year when Shump comes back, and our rotation is:

      PG: Lin/Kidd
      SG: Shump/JR
      SF: Melo/JR/Novak
      PF: Amare/Melo/Novak
      C:Tyson/Camby

      with Lin or Kidd occasionally playing off-guard when they’re both in the game. Then assuming we re-sign Jeffries, he can come in for specific matchups or in case of foul trouble. Doubt we see much of James White at all, and anyone else we sign from here on out probably won’t get more than 5 min/game.

      Another reason that I think it was smart to draft and stash Big Papa. Although it seems like we are locked into this rotation for at least 2 years, so I’m not sure where Big Papa will fit when he comes – maybe as Jeffries’ replacement with bigger minutes when Camby/Kidd leave probably in 14-15 (when they’re eligible for Medicare).

    5. Z-man

      Also, this team is really a 2-year proposition, after which almost all deals become expiring. I feel so much more optimistic about the 5-years and out future of the team than I did during the Isiah and even Laydon days. The current roster, for all its flaws, at least appears stable for a change, as is the coaching situation. When was the last time we could say that?

    6. Frank

      Z-man: If you go back to mid-May, before the Bird rights issue surfaced, if someone told you we would not only keep Lin, Novak and JR, but would add Kidd and Camby, most here would have called that pie in the sky.

      TOTALLY true. This offseason has gone better than any of us could have reasonably imagined back when we got spanked by Miami.

      Gotta be honest – I can’t WAIT for the season to start. It’ll be a dogfight between us and Boston for the Atlantic but I think we have a better roster. We complain about Camby/Kidd being old, but these are both bench players that we don’t expect will play more than 15-20 min/game — Garnett has more TWENTY THOUSAND more minutes played in his career than Camby (nearly 10 years’ worth!!) and he and Kidd are within a few thousand of each other, so I think Garnett is more of a risk to the Celts than Camby/Kidd are for us. And I think them losing Ray Allen really hurts them – Terry is ok but it’s been 3+ years since he had an above average TS (vs. Ray who was 60-63 the last 4 years with BOS). And even though we’re missing Shump, word is that Avery Bradley will be out around the same amount of time.

      I don’t think Philly will be as good – they’ll really miss Elton Brand more than they realize IMHO, and every team gets worse when they have Nick Young. So I feel like we have a real shot at a top 3 or 4 seed. There are fewer and fewer “ifs” at this point since we are so deep now.

    7. SeeWhyDee77

      2 names I think Grunny should keep on the radar. Boris Diaw and Anthony Tolliver. They would fit in nicely on that 2nd unit. Diaw for his passing and adaptability on offense..Tolliver for his physical style and defense. I kno we can get Tolliver easy for the minimum..but it truly would be a coup if we could steal Diaw. Hopefully he wants to win and sees that the Spurs window is inches from bein closed with the emergence of OKC, DEN and Nash in LA. And we need 1 more PG. What do u guys think? Camby, Diaw, Novak, JR and Kidd as a second unit would slay….as well as make the game so much easier for our big guns.

    8. SeeWhyDee77

      jon abbey:
      Diaw looked so good in SA, he’d be crazy to leave there if at all possible.

      Yea..he played really well in San Antone..so he would be a long shot but an excellent fit. I swear lol..I am getting anxiety fits tryina think of offseason additions and I’m just a fan! lol

    9. jon abbey

      I’m pretty sure we can only pay the veteran’s minimum ($1.4M) for the remaining spots, so we may have to wait a bit to see how they’re filled.

    10. jon abbey

      and breaking news:

      Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA

      Boris Diaw has reached agreement on a two-year, $9 million-plus contract to stay with San Antonio, league source tells Y! Sports.

    11. Z-man

      Frank: Gotta be honest – I can’t WAIT for the season to start. It’ll be a dogfight between us and Boston for the Atlantic but I think we have a better roster. We complain about Camby/Kidd being old, but these are both bench players that we don’t expect will play more than 15-20 min/game — Garnett has more TWENTY THOUSAND more minutes played in his career than Camby (nearly 10 years’ worth!!) and he and Kidd are within a few thousand of each other, so I think Garnett is more of a risk to the Celts than Camby/Kidd are for us. And I think them losing Ray Allen really hurts them – Terry is ok but it’s been 3+ years since he had an above average TS (vs. Ray who was 60-63 the last 4 years with BOS). And even though we’re missing Shump, word is that Avery Bradley will be out around the same amount of time.

      ahem, nets?

    12. Frank

      If the Nets get DH12, they’ll be in the mix for a top 2 seed. Without Howard, I think Boston and NY are better than they are. Otherwise, what’s really so different than last year? Is Joe Johnson really that great? Joe is a nice player (obviously overpaid), but he’s not a real difference maker. Howard is, of course, another story.

      On my twitter timeline someone said that the Hawks are starting to get involved in direct trade talks. Horford and whoever is 1000000x better than any deal Brooklyn can offer.

    13. SeeWhyDee77

      jon abbey:
      and breaking news:

      Adrian Wojnarowski ?@WojYahooNBA

      Boris Diaw has reached agreement on a two-year, $9 million-plus contract to stay with San Antonio, league source tells Y! Sports.

      Dern..

    14. JC Knickfan

      @1

      Knicks have 5 open spot. I see Gadzuric as trade piece or will be waived. One of those spot will be Jared which should get some burn at PF. With Shump out look like JR possible White are only SG on roster. I really don’t want see Lin/Kidd backcourt. For Kidd health spliting 48 minute at PG is for the best.

      I would say get another 3pt shooting/defensive SG.

    15. JC Knickfan

      I believe only asset left to trade is Gadzuric plus after paying TD salary I think we around 900k to trade?

      Dan salary 1,352,181 * 1.20 = 1622617.2.

      Not much different then Vet min. So look like rest roster will be Vet min people.

    16. Kurt

      I agree, Frank. Unless the Nets get D12 (Hold strong, Kris Humphries!), the Nets are mediocre and will get even more so when Wallace loses his athleticism in a year or two. They have, in my opinion, two of the worst contracts in the game.

      Boston loses a LOT without Ray Allen. I don’t know of any good 3-point shooters they have other than Pierce and (to some degree) Bradley. Unless Rondo’s jumpshot consistently becomes like that playoff game against the Heat, they’ll struggle to score. I doubt they’re better than us at this point.

      Chicago will be missing Rose for just about the whole year, so they’ll be 1 or 2 in defensive efficiency but I doubt they’ll be any better than 20th on offensive efficiency. Even their defense won’t be as good without Asik.

      Philly is going sideways at best.

      Even if the Hawks get D12, they’ll have no one decent other than Howard and Smith.

      STAT entered last season not having touched a basketball for 6 months, and gained an extra 15 lbs from muscle weight. It wasn’t until later in the season that he lost the weight and got his spring and timing back. Even if he never makes it back to the SSOL Suns STAT I’m sure he’ll be much better than he was last year.

      Indy hasn’t made any major moves and now they’ll have much less flexibility after matching the max contract for Hibbert.

      So as long as the Nets don’t get Howard (again, stay strong, Kris!), I think the Knicks should be the 2 seed behind Miami as long as Lin plays decent and even somewhat cuts down on his turnovers.

    17. Z-man

      Frank: If the Nets get DH12, they’ll be in the mix for a top 2 seed. Without Howard, I think Boston and NY are better than they are. Otherwise, what’s really so different than last year? Is Joe Johnson really that great? Joe is a nice player (obviously overpaid), but he’s not a real difference maker. Howard is, of course, another story. On my twitter timeline someone said that the Hawks are starting to get involved in direct trade talks. Horford and whoever is 1000000x better than any deal Brooklyn can offer.

      The key is Howard agreeing to an extension. Otherwise, why not trade him to a western conference team?

      Too bad some EC GM doesn’t offer a Landry-like Humphries a multi-year deal to kill the Howard to Nets possibility once and for all. Seems like it would be a smart move…

    18. Gideon Zaga

      Yeah yeah Grunwald deserves an A+ for all his business this off season. But I still can’t believe how he never even tried to make a pitch to Ray Allen. We could have offered him more money. A line up of Lin/Kidd, JR/Allen, Melo, Novak, Amare, would have rained threes like rain and the floor spacing would have been unprecedented. Seriously just for that Grunwald should get a B+

        

    19. thenamestsam

      It’s sounding more and more like the Howard thing was basically B.S. all along. Reports are coming out now that Orlando is reopening talks with other teams, which makes sense because that deal was completely horrible for them.

      There has to be one GM out there with the stones to go all in for him without an extension promise and dare him to leave tens of millions on the table to go….well it’s not clear where he’d really go, but somewhere I guess. If there’s one central truth in the NBA it’s that winning a chip without a premier frontline superstar is next to impossible. Now one of those guys is dangling there, and the price is going to be reasonable. These guys are next to impossible to find and they’re the NBAs most valuable commodity by far. It’s a chance you have to take.

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