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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jan 08 2013)

  • [New York Times] Rampant Bulls Run Struggling Cavaliers Ragged (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:34:25 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer and the Chicago Bulls recovered from a slow start to pummel the struggling Cleveland Cavaliers 118-92 on Monday and take over top spot in the Eastern Conference’s Central division.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Scott Skiles Out as Bucks Coach (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:31:38 GMT)
    Head coach Scott Skiles and the Milwaukee Bucks have decided to part ways after just over four seasons together, ending a working relationship that seemed to have been teetering on the brink for quite some time.

  • [New York Times] Rajon Rondo Sits, but Celtics Win 3rd in Row (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:50:05 GMT)
    Rajon Rondo was unavailable for the Celtics against the Knicks on Monday because of a suspension, but Boston still managed to win its third straight.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Lakers’ Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Jordan Hill Out With Injuries (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:50:05 GMT)
    Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Jordan Hill will miss the Lakers’ road trip with injuries, leaving the team without its top three big men indefinitely.

  • [New York Times] Clippers’ Jamal Crawford Is Still Firing Away (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:50:05 GMT)
    It has taken 32 years for Jamal Crawford, the best shooter on the N.B.A.’s highest-scoring bench, to find a true home with the resurgent, out-from-under-the-rock Los Angeles Clippers.

  • [New York Times] Celtics 102, Knicks 96: Anthony Takes Battle With Celtics Beyond the Court (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:48:02 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Garnett both received technical fouls in the fourth quarter of a physical game that the Celtics won thanks to Paul Pierce’s team-high 23 points.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: In Downtime, Nets Squeeze in Some Practice (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:41:06 GMT)
    The Nets held only their third practice since Dec. 22, and they have a chance to gain some ground this week with a light game schedule.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Beat Knicks in First Matchup of the Season (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:34:29 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Garnett jawed from baseline to midcourt, and Anthony still had more to say.

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers Beat Magic 125-119 in Overtime (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:01:50 GMT)
    LaMarcus Aldridge had 27 points and 10 rebounds, and the Portland Trail Blazers handed the Orlando Magic their ninth straight loss with a 125-119, overtime victory on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Ellington Leads Grizzlies to 113-81 Rout of Kings (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:49:44 GMT)
    Wayne Ellington scored a season-high 26 points, hitting six 3-pointers, to help the Memphis Grizzlies rout the Sacramento Kings 113-81 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Hayward Scores 27 to Lift Jazz Over Mavericks (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:10:39 GMT)
    Gordon Hayward scored a season-high 27 points, including four 3-pointers, and the Utah Jazz defeated the Dallas Mavericks 100-94 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Run Cavaliers Ragged for Third Straight Win (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:13:27 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer and the Chicago Bulls recovered from a slow start to pummel the struggling Cleveland Cavaliers 118-92 on Monday and take over at the top of the Eastern Conference’s Central division.

  • [New York Times] Gordon Carries Hornets to Victory Over Spurs (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:10:58 GMT)
    Eric Gordon scored six straight points in a key fourth quarter spurt and had 24 overall to lead the New Orleans Hornets to a 95-88 victory over San Antonio on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Boozer Leads Bulls to 118-92 Rout of Cavaliers (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:41:19 GMT)
    Carlos Boozer had 24 points and 11 rebounds to lead the Chicago Bulls to a 118-92 rout of the Cleveland Cavaliers on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Beal Scores With 0.3 Seconds Left to Lift Wizards (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:46:53 GMT)
    Bradley Beal made a jumper with 0.3 seconds left after using a pump fake to get open, and the short-handed Washington Wizards beat the Oklahoma City Thunder 101-99 Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Boston’s Rondo Suspended Game for Bumping Official (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:28:51 GMT)
    Boston Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo has been suspended again, with coach Doc Rivers wondering if it’s as much for Rondo’s reputation as the incident.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Guard Rondo Suspended Game for Bumping Referee (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:04:42 GMT)
    Boston Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo has been suspended one game without pay for making contact with a referee and failing to cooperate with a league investigation, the National Basketball Association (NBA) said on Monday.

  • [New York Daily News] BUS YOU UP: After physical game, Melo stalks Celts charter (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:28:40 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony couldn’t beat Kevin Garnett and the Celtics on the court, so he was intent on settling a score in the bowels of Madison Square Garden. Anthony waited for Garnett near the Celtics bus following Boston’s emotionally charged 102-96 victory, witnesses said.

  • [New York Daily News] Lawrence: MVP starting to mean Most Volatile Player for Melo (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:27:28 GMT)
    This wasn’t conduct becoming a pro basketball player, let alone a candidate for the NBA’s MVP trophy. When Carmelo Anthony decided to take on the Celtics long after the final buzzer on Monday night, he invited the NBA to investigate his conduct and smack him with a suspension and/or fine.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Iman nearly over the Shump (Tue, 08 Jan 2013 03:37:24 GMT)
    Iman Shumpert is expected to be given clearance to resume practicing on a full-time basis after the second- year guard met with team doctors on Monday. “We’ll see how the tests went,â? Mike Woodson said. “He’s getting close, that’s all I can tell you at this point.

  • 126 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jan 08 2013)

    1. Frank

      !!!!!!!

      @I_Am_Iman: Cleared for full contact by the team Doctors! Let the countdown begin!!! I live for games like last night. See you soon Boston. #post90s

    2. Juany8

      It’s a shame Shump isn’t big enough to take Brewer’s minutes at the 3 but if the Knicks are going big full time then it won’t matter as much. Excited to get him back, I was a huge fan of his game last year and hopefully he can only get better

    3. flossy

      Juany8:
      It’s a shame Shump isn’t big enough to take Brewer’s minutes at the 3 but if the Knicks are going big full time then it won’t matter as much. Excited to get him back, I was a huge fan of his game last year and hopefully he can only get better

      Shump may not play a lot of SF but I expect/hope he ends up taking all of Brewer’s minutes, if only by bumping JR Smith up to the 3. Basically I hope the return of Felton and Shumpert means (assuming everyone else stays healthy) that Brewer and Prigs only get off the bench during blowouts and Novak only gets 15 mpg or so except/unless he comes out on fire.

    4. jon abbey

      so supposedly Garnett told Melo that his wife “tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios”, that’s what made him lose it. now Honey Nut Cheerios is trending on Twitter…

    5. mokers

      Milwaukee is 16-16 and got rid of Scott Skiles. I think most realized it was only a matter of time before he pissed off everybody in the organization, but I didn’t think he would be fired while they still had a playoff spot.

      Is there a sports book that has odds on next NBA coach firings?

    6. nicos

      mokers:
      Milwaukee is 16-16 and got rid of Scott Skiles. I think most realized it was only a matter of time before he pissed off everybody in the organization, but I didn’t think he would be fired while they still had a playoff spot.

      Is there a sports book that has odds on next NBA coach firings?

      I’m a little surprised- I thought Skiles really toned down his dickishness in Milwaukee- he was completely insufferable in Chicago. The fact he really tried to embrace his personnel and play a more uptempo, offensive game. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a bit like the D’A situation last year where Skiles went to management and said it was either him or Monta (or Jennings, or both) and management sent him packing.

    7. johnlocke

      Really? I really hope it was something worse than that.

      jon abbey:
      so supposedly Garnett told Melo that his wife “tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios”, that’s what made him lose it. now Honey Nut Cheerios is trending on Twitter…

    8. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      johnlocke:
      Really? I really hope it was something worse than that.

      That is amazing. Its silliness is what makes it so incendiary. I love it.

    9. Hubert Davis

      jon abbey:
      so supposedly Garnett told Melo that his wife “tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios”, that’s what made him lose it. now Honey Nut Cheerios is trending on Twitter…

      Most likely completely made up.

      People making such a big deal about what KG might have said. The whole time I thought it was the whistles and the lack of whistles when KG was taking physical liberties that had Melo so angry. Rather than one incendiary incident instead, it was an entire quarter of incrementally greater aggravation that caused the snap.

    10. stratomatic

      Garnett is a very easy guy to hate, but Melo has to mature. We are lucky this meltdown and reversion to the mean occurred in a somewhat insignificant game in January and not in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. If I was Garnett, I would have saved that line for Game 5 when the series was tied 2-2.

    11. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      stratomatic:
      Garnett is a very easy guy to hate, but Melo has to mature. We are lucky this meltdown and reversion to the mean occurred in a somewhat insignificant game in January and not in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs.If I was Garnett, I would have saved that line for Game 5 when the series was tied 2-2.

      Who wants “maturity?” This is sport. I want passion! Who are you, David Stern?

    12. stratomatic

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: Who wants “maturity?” This is sport. I want passion! Who are you, David Stern?

      Who got the WIN and who went 6-26 in a total emotional and intellectual basketball meltdown?

      Enough said!

    13. thenamestsam

      I can’t imagine it was anything that silly. I think it was an explosive mixture of the physicality, the trash-talking, and the part that people are leaving out, which is that even before he got into it with KG and maybe got thrown off his game, Melo was playing like complete shit. It’s a lot easier to let something like that roll off of you when you know you’re playing well. If KG says that to him on a night where he already has it going I bet Melo laughs it off.

    14. Brian Cronin

      Milwaukee is 16-16 and got rid of Scott Skiles. I think most realized it was only a matter of time before he pissed off everybody in the organization, but I didn’t think he would be fired while they still had a playoff spot.

      Is there a sports book that has odds on next NBA coach firings?

      I think it was more a matter of Skiles wanting out more than Milwaukee firing him. He looked at the roster and realized it likely needed to be blown up to be competitive in the future and he had no interest in being part of a rebuilding project. And, of course, he likely hates both of his main stars. So he decided to quit early. He had already told them that he wouldn’t sign an extension, so he was leaving either way. They likely said, “if you really don’t want to stay here longterm, why not just leave right now?”

    15. Frank

      Juany8:
      It’s a shame Shump isn’t big enough to take Brewer’s minutes at the 3 but if the Knicks are going big full time then it won’t matter as much. Excited to get him back, I was a huge fan of his game last year and hopefully he can only get better

      If you look at Shump’s measurements and compare them to DraftExpress’s average measurements for drafted players, he’s not that much smaller than the average SF. He can probably play there in place of Brewer, although that starting lineup would be REALLY small (Felton, Kidd, Shump, Melo, Chandler).

      Was anyone else modestly optimistic about what Amare was able to do last night? I was. And I like that Woodson left Amare/Melo/Tyson out on the floor at the end of the game. I’m not sure that’s a good idea going forward, but I like him giving it a shot in a big spot to see if it’s feasible.

    16. Hubert Davis

      Well, following Melo’s presser, it definitely was one thing that KG said to him. Never mind.

      Melo, you’re an idiot. Fight your battles on a basketball court.

    17. Brian Cronin

      Was anyone else modestly optimistic about what Amare was able to do last night? I was. And I like that Woodson left Amare/Melo/Tyson out on the floor at the end of the game. I’m not sure that’s a good idea going forward, but I like him giving it a shot in a big spot to see if it’s feasible.

      I mean, I was glad he wasn’t so bad that he couldn’t stay on the court. I do agree that that was a good thing. But he really didn’t look like he was part of the offense, and if he’s not part of the offense, why have him out there? Either have Brewer for defense (and allowing Melo to play the 4), Novak for the outside shooting or Camby for post defense.

    18. stratomatic

      I think Knicks fans expectations for Shumpert are probably way too high.

      1. Rubio and Maynor both came back way below their best after the same injury. So I would think that’s the most likely scenario with Shumpert also.

      2. Shumpert had an impact on defense last year, but he was not a “ready for prime time” scorer in terms of efficiency. IMO, he was a net negative on offense. He got a lot of minutes because the Knicks had a terrible backcourt and they needed a body, but on any other team he would have seen less time and been developed slower.

      I guess summed up I seem him getting very limited minutes initially and not being particularly productive this season unless he magically became a better shooter and improved his shot selection while rehabbing. I still like him long term though because he has offensive skills to work with and is clearly an impact defender when 100%.

    19. Brian Cronin

      Oh, obviously Shump comes with the major red flag of “he needs to improve his offense a lot” (remember, his shooting woes did not even improve as the season went on, they got better before crashing during the last month or so of the season, so you can’t even go with “he was improving on offense”), but the guy hasn’t even practiced yet, so I think it is fair to be pumped about the possibility that he has improved. Now if he returns and he is clearly not his former self on defense and still his former self on offense, then yeah, we can worry, But for now, I think we can really hope for the moon for him.

    20. flossy

      Brian Cronin: I mean, I was glad he wasn’t so bad that he couldn’t stay on the court. I do agree that that was a good thing. But he really didn’t look like he was part of the offense, and if he’s not part of the offense, why have him out there? Either have Brewer for defense (and allowing Melo to play the 4), Novak for the outside shooting or Camby for post defense.

      Yeah, I liked that Woodson left Amar’e in to close the game. I didn’t like that Amar’e was reduced to a bystander as Melo foamed at the mouth and angrily heaved up brick after brick without even the pretense of running anything resembling a set play.

    21. ruruland

      Well this is getting framed in one way, but as Melo got more enraged his teammates played harder. It’s pretty obvious when you go back and watch the 4th quarter that the Knicks had their best defensive possessions after the mix-up, feeding off of his energy.

      Melo took some good shots and missed and took some bad shots — some adrenaline shots — and missed. But they were pretty much all right there. And those adrenaline shots were really difficult, but they were so close. This whole conversation changes if he’s an inch or two back at center.

      No.2. Yes, it is true that you don’t want your best player to be your enforcer. However, how many times has KG come into New York or any other building, did his playground bully routine — and have it work?

      Look, the NBA has always allowed KG to be the exception, his antics lay well outside the behavior guidelines, he gets away with stuff no one else can. Why? Well I would say at least in part because officials are afraid of him.

      Some players, are, too. And if the officials are not going to do their jobs, and if KG’s antics are inspiring his team and turning the opponent passive, than that’s really when KG wins.

      People are under the impression that KG wins if the opponent loses their head. That’s not what KG’s trying to do. In fact, that’s not what he wants. This is not the Dennis Rodman shtick.

      This is the much more serious brand of trash talk that’s intended to crush your spirit.

      Melo took it too far, made it too personal. But what he did actually worked really well at first.

      If you look at the loss itself, there are some structural issues in the Knicks offense that dramatically change when Felton returns.

      From that perspective, the Celtics defended the Knicks the way the Heat did in the playoffs.

      Defensively, outside of Novak (who allowed 12 points in 7 possessions just in man), the Knicks were pretty good. I’d prefer they let Melo defend the post 1-1 on the switch. Chandler…

    22. flossy

      stratomatic:
      I think Knicks fans expectations for Shumpert are probably way too high.

      1. Rubio and Maynor both came back way below their best after the same injury. So I wouldthink that’s the most likely scenario with Shumpert also.

      2. Shumpert had an impact on defense last year, but he was not a “ready for prime time” scorer in terms of efficiency.IMO, he was a net negative on offense. He got a lot of minutes because the Knicks had a terrible backcourt and they needed a body, but on any other team he would have seen less time and been developed slower.

      I guess summed up I seem him getting very limited minutes initially and not being particularly productive this season unless he magically became a better shooter and improved his shot selection while rehabbing.I still like him long term though because he has offensive skills to work with and is clearly an impact defender when 100%.

      Think of who he’s replacing, though. Just picture all the wiiiiide open corner 3s Ronnie Brewer gets to attempt. Wouldn’t you at the very least prefer Shump get those shots?

      I’m hoping he gets a solid 20 mpg if his knee can handle it, because I think he’ll maybe be a more efficient scorer if there’s zero pressure on him to be a shot creator (unlike last season, when his intro to the NBA was “ummmm shit can you play PG now??”).

    23. ruruland

      flossy: Yeah, I liked that Woodson left Amar’e in to close the game.I didn’t like that Amar’e was reduced to a bystander as Melo foamed at the mouth and angrily heaved up brick after brick without even the pretense of running anything resembling a set play.

      Season-high fga per minute. Pretty sure it’s anomalous situation and shouldn’t be used to judge much of anything.

      More importantly, the team doesn’t trust Amar’e yet, especially if we are talking shot-creation. Part of it was Melo rushing adrenaline shots, some of it was the structural issues in the offense, but, sure, I would have liked to have seen a lot more Melo/Amar’e pnr.

      They were putting Garnett on Chandler and Garnett is a great pnr defender still, which was disrupting the KNicks best play.

      Amar’e doesn’t screen well, but he either slips and you have a layup/foul chance or you get a switch.

      Also, Melo in the post was getting an automatic double. that should have been leveraged a lot more.

      the Celtics won the strategy game, now the Knicks counter.

    24. nicos

      Brian Cronin: I mean, I was glad he wasn’t so bad that he couldn’t stay on the court. I do agree that that was a good thing. But he really didn’t look like he was part of the offense, and if he’s not part of the offense, why have him out there? Either have Brewer for defense (and allowing Melo to play the 4), Novak for the outside shooting or Camby for post defense.

      One issue on offense is Amar’e wants to roll on every screen he sets which winds up gumming up spacing- he needs to pick and choose a bit- hopefully he’ll get it sooner rather than later. Another thing I’ve noticed is that Amar’e is trying to act just like Chandler on the pnr- he’s hasn’t slipped screens much at all and has been rolling right to the rim- this has to be Woodson’s doing (as Amar’e never really played it that way) and is a mistake in my opinion. Amar’e's best asset in the pnr is finding space even if that means circling back behind the guard- he’s not nearly the lob target Chandler is so why send him straight to the rim? I’m guessing Woody prefers the certainty of sending him straight to the rim rather than improvising but when you’ve got Kidd and Melo who can read and react to just about anything I think if you’re going to use Amar’e, then use him in the way that puts the most pressure on the defense and trust the other guys to take advantage of it. Of course, Amar’e's only played a few games and we’re not talking about a ton of possessions so hopefully it’ll work itself out.

    25. ruruland

      fwiw, extremely small sample: Amar’e, Smith, Kidd, Chandler, Melo is a +22.5

      Also, Novak is a -1.9, Brewer a -4.6, Prigioni -2.2.

      Offensive rating with Felton: 115.1

      Felton out: 108.1

      Offensive reb % with Felton 25.5

      offensive reb % without Felton 22.4.

      He is the third most important offensive player to the Knicks as constructed.

    26. ruruland

      nicos: One issue on offense is Amar’e wants to roll on every screen he sets which winds up gumming up spacing- he needs to pick and choose a bit- hopefully he’ll get it sooner rather than later.Another thing I’ve noticed is that Amar’e is trying to act just like Chandler on the pnr- he’s hasn’t slipped screens much at all and has been rolling right to the rim- this has to be Woodson’s doing (as Amar’e never really played it that way) and is a mistake in my opinion.Amar’e’s best asset in the pnr is finding space even if that means circling back behind the guard- he’s not nearly the lob target Chandler is so why send him straight to the rim?I’m guessing Woody prefers the certainty of sending him straight to the rim rather than improvising but when you’ve got Kidd and Melo who can read and react to just about anything I think if you’re going to use Amar’e, then use him in the way that puts the most pressure on the defense and trust the other guys to take advantage of it.Of course, Amar’e’s only played a few games and we’re not talking about a ton of possessions so hopefully it’ll work itself out.

      Amar’e will be at his best as a weak-side flasher after the hard dive from Chandler. Melo will come in behind him in the slot if the corner weakside defender helps down, with a shooter(Kidd, Smith, Novak et al) in the opposite corner.

      If the guard on Felton stays behind the screen, if the screen is set high enough, you’ll still have Amar’e in a 1-1 without help when he comes to catch the ball.

      If the weakside defender tries to contest the flash pass to Amar’e, you then have the lob pass to Chandler or a 1-1 offensive rebound opportunity.

    27. stratomatic

      Brian Cronin:
      Oh, obviously Shump comes with the major red flag of “he needs to improve his offense a lot” (remember, his shooting woes did not even improve as the season went on, they got better before crashing during the last month or so of the season, so you can’t even go with “he was improving on offense”), but the guy hasn’t even practiced yet, so I think it is fair to be pumped about the possibility that he has improved. Now if he returns and he is clearly not his former self on defense and still his former self on offense, then yeah, we can worry, But for now, I think we can really hope for the moon for him.

      I think the chances he has improved on offense since last year are as close to zero as is possible.

      Most young players improve their shooting and shot selection over a few years (if at all). The ones that improve the most are the really driven ones that spend all summer in the gym…when Shumpert was on crutches.

      I am hoping for the best, but to me, the best case scenario is that he more or less picks up where he left off after a few weeks of getting the rust off and getting his legs under him. I’m expecting almost nothing from him until late February or March.

    28. stratomatic

      flossy: Think of who he’s replacing, though.Just picture all the wiiiiide open corner 3s Ronnie Brewer gets to attempt.Wouldn’t you at the very least prefer Shump get those shots?

      I’m hoping he gets a solid 20 mpg if his knee can handle it, because I think he’ll maybe be a more efficient scorer if there’s zero pressure on him to be a shot creator (unlike last season, when his intro to the NBA was “ummmm shit can you play PG now??”).

      I’m in the minority that thinks Brewer is solid. I have no major complaints. I’d prefer he could score a little more because the Knicks have too many low usage lineups where they have to rely on Melo and/or JR to carry a lot of the scoring load, but IMO part of a player’s value comes from what they don’t do. Brewer makes very few major mistakes (TOs, really dumb fouls, really horrid shot decisions etc..).

      So it’s addition by not subtracting (or something like that).

      For everything Shumpert is more talented at (and that’s probably quite a few things, especially long term), we are going to get a lot more mistakes.

    29. stratomatic

      I like what I see from Amare. He was never more than a very high usage efficient scorer at his best.

      I think he has enough athleticism left to be a solid #2 scorer when Melo is in the game or a more efficient scorer than JR off the bench. I just want to see him a little more active on the boards and I’ll be satisfied the team will be a lot better with him.

      If it wasn’t for so many Knicks shooting 3s above their typical rate, the offense wouldn’t be as solid has it has been. Now I have more faith that if the team goes through a mean reversion from beyond the arc, we have another scorer inside.

    30. ruruland

      stratomatic: I’m in the minority that thinks Brewer is solid. I have no major complaints. I’d prefer he could score a little more because the Knicks have too many low usage lineups where they have to rely on Melo and/or JR to carry a lot of the scoring load, but IMO part of a player’s value comes from what they don’t do. Brewer makes very few major mistakes (TOs, really dumb fouls, really horrid shot decisions etc..). So it’s addition by not subtracting (or something like that). For everything Shumpert is more talented at (and that’s probably quite a few things, especially long term), we are going to get a lot more mistakes.

      The average plays Brewer can’t make are far more critical than the bad ones he doesn’t.

    31. Frank

      stratomatic: I think the chances he has improved on offense since last year are as close to zero as is possible.

      Most young players improve their shooting and shot selection over a few years (if at all). The ones that improve the most are the really driven ones that spend all summer in the gym…when Shumpert was on crutches.

      in one of the knicksnow.com videos he talked about how for most of his recovery, he was allowed to do straight up/down stuff like shooting jumpers, and how he basically did that all day long with Hopla. His major role in this offense (until he is really back to himself) will be to take the open 3′s and mid-range Js that Brewer has been unable to hit. If he can shoot 35% from 3 and 40% from mid-range, he’ll automatically help the offense if for no other reason than other teams can’t leave him completely alone like they do with Brewer.

      And if you watch any of the videos during which he is shooting, the dude basically doesn’t miss. Obviously shooting by yourself in the gym is one thing, but hey, at least he doesn’t miss when he’s by himself.

    32. ruruland

      stratomatic: I’m in the minority that thinks Brewer is solid. I have no major complaints. I’d prefer he could score a little more because the Knicks have too many low usage lineups where they have to rely on Melo and/or JR to carry a lot of the scoring load, but IMO part of a player’s value comes from what they don’t do. Brewer makes very few major mistakes (TOs, really dumb fouls, really horrid shot decisions etc..). So it’s addition by not subtracting (or something like that). For everything Shumpert is more talented at (and that’s probably quite a few things, especially long term), we are going to get a lot more mistakes.

      There was a substantial efficiency difference with Shumpert at the 2 guard and Shumpert at the pg.

      Shumpert at pg: 424 efg %, 4.9 to

      Shumpert at sg: 454 efg% 2.2 to/4.3 assists

      http://www.82games.com/1112/11NYK5.HTM#bypos

    33. ruruland

      Frank: in one of the knicksnow.com videos he talked about how for most of his recovery, he was allowed to do straight up/down stuff like shooting jumpers, and how he basically did that all day long with Hopla. His major role in this offense (until he is really back to himself) will be to take the open 3?s and mid-range Js that Brewer has been unable to hit. If he can shoot 35% from 3 and 40% from mid-range, he’ll automatically help the offense if for no other reason than other teams can’t leave him completely alone like they do with Brewer.And if you watch any of the videos during which he is shooting, the dude basically doesn’t miss. Obviously shooting by yourself in the gym is one thing, but hey, at least he doesn’t miss when he’s by himself.

      Shumpert is far more capable of beating his man and making a play, beside being a better spot-up player.

      His ability to defend point guards, even if that doesn’t come until April, is the biggest difference.

    34. flossy

      ruruland: The average plays Brewer can’t make are far more critical than the bad ones he doesn’t.

      Yeah, this. You’d better be a Jared Jeffries-level maniac on defense to make up for being such a non-entity on offense, and Ronnie Brewer has not been that guy. Just ’cause he doesn’t foul or turn the ball over a lot doesn’t mean he’s actually doing anything to help the team win, especially since his vaunted defense has been AWOL. He’s playing demonstrably worse this year than he did last year for the Bulls, and that was a season that convinced their front office he wasn’t even worth bringing back as a vets-min bench player.

      I’d rather a player who, yes, may make a mistake now and then, but can do things like drive to the basket against rotating defenses, run the side PnR on occasion, or spot up for 3 without turning spectators to stone. For everyone saying what a horrible offensive player Shumpert is, even his 11 FGA/36 with .484 TS% (skewed by his horrible first month or two–I think it’s reasonable to expect improvement) doesn’t look so bad compared to Brewer’s 9 FGA/36 and .448 TS%.

    35. BigBlueAL

      I agree with how awful Brewer is offensively especially in the starting lineup when either Kurt or Camby is starting which makes Brewer’s bad offense stand out even more. But surprisingly Brewer is shooting 22 for 66 from 3pt range (32%) which is identical to Sheed and better than Prigs.

    36. Frank

      ruruland: Shumpert is far more capable of beating his man and making a play, beside being a better spot-up player.

      His ability to defend point guards, even if that doesn’t come until April, is the biggest difference.

      Yes, definitely to both. I was just saying that for the time being, I’d be perfectly happy to watch him play 3+D for now, until he really has his legs under him. If he can show anything with his jumper, he’ll be really dangerous attacking closeouts with his speed, explosiveness, and vision.

    37. flossy

      BigBlueAL: But surprisingly Brewer is shooting 22 for 66 from 3pt range (32%) which is identical to Sheed and better than Prigs

      Do you really believe he’ll keep shooting 6% above his career average though? None of the teams we play seem to believe it, since they are perfectly happy to leave him alone in the corner.

    38. BigBlueAL

      flossy: Do you really believe he’ll keep shooting 6% above his career average though?None of the teams we play seem to believe it, since they are perfectly happy to leave him alone in the corner.

      Probably not especially considering how hot he was in November from 3pt range and how that has been corrected over the past few weeks. I will say though that if he is open from the corner I do have some faith the shot will go in at least lol.

    39. Brian Cronin

      Oh, okay, if he and his wife just broke up and KG is talking about screwing her then yeah, that’s a whole other story. I don’t think any other player in the NBA would be able to keep from going off in such a situation. If that’s true, my sympathies to Melo. That sucks.

    40. massive

      I’m willing to call that report bullshit. I follow Carmelo Anthony on instragram and as recent as 2 weeks ago was Melo taking Christmas pictures with his wife and child. 3 weeks ago he posted a picture of him cradling his wife in his arms. I even saw LaLa at the game last night. I’m not willing to give that article any real credit.

    41. johnlocke

      That Cheerios nonsense made no sense…this is more like it. Part II should be very, very interesting in a couple weeks.

      Brian Cronin:
      Oh, okay, if he and his wife just broke up and KG is talking about screwing her then yeah, that’s a whole other story. I don’t think any other player in the NBA would be able to keep from going off in such a situation. If that’s true, my sympathies to Melo. That sucks.

    42. nicos

      stratomatic: I’m in the minority that thinks Brewer is solid.I have no major complaints.I’d prefer he could score a little more because the Knicks have too many low usage lineups where they have to rely on Melo and/or JR to carry a lot of the scoring load, but IMO part of a player’s value comes from what they don’t do.Brewer makes very few major mistakes (TOs, really dumb fouls, really horrid shot decisions etc..).

      So it’s addition by not subtracting (or something like that).

      For everything Shumpert is more talented at (and that’s probably quite a few things, especially long term), we are going to get a lot more mistakes.

      The problem is that Brewer’s defender often pays almost no attention to him leaving the Knicks playing 4 (or 4 1/2) on five. Also, those shots that Brewer is repeatedly turning down off of cuts and on the break don’t show up in the box score but really hamper the offense as they require the offense to be completely reset. I don’t know if it’s his knee or his struggles at the line but his refusal to take anything other than a wide open lay up inside is baffling.

    43. johnlocke

      He had a wide open layup and threw it out to Kidd at the three point line w/o even looking at the basket… smgdh.

      nicos: The problem is that Brewer’s defender often pays almost no attention to him leaving the Knicks playing 4 (or 4 1/2) on five.Also, those shots that Brewer is repeatedly turning down off of cuts and on the break don’t show up in the box score but really hamper the offense as they require the offense to be completely reset.I don’t know if it’s his knee or his struggles at the line but his refusal to take anything other than a wide open lay up inside is baffling.

    44. hoolahoop

      I haven’t participated here for a long time. I’m sure my comments were hated by lot of people last season for my for taking Melo to task about his selfish, hero ball style.
      Well, overall, I love the way Melo is playing this year. All I ever wanted was for him to be a more complete player, which he obviously has become.
      Now, I’m here to defend him.
      Granted, Melo took it a little too far last night, maybe. There was something positive I saw in the sparing, from the knicks perspective. Usually, KG is the one that intimidates other players, eventually getting them to succumb. His opponents, a little, or a lot, play more tentatively and lose their edge. It can be a subtle difference, almost imperceptible, but enough to make the difference in a game.
      Last night, it was Melo that was the crazed dog. If the rules were thrown aside, Melo would gladly have had at it with KG. i think KG wanted no more of it with him. It was KG that lost his tough edge, even though he played with more focus. That brute toughness, that willing to fight, that refusal of Melo to back down is BIG. It was one of MJ’s greatest weapons.
      Another thing I noticed, by direction of Woodson or not, was that, it seemed to me, that, as a team, and J kidd especially, others were roughing up KG whenever they ran by him. KG may be a tough mother, but if the whole team is taking shots at him, he’s going to get a good beat down.
      The bottom line is the knicks, though they lost the game, may have won the battle on some level. Mental, psychological and physical superiority are far more important than speed and skill.

    45. BigBlueAL

      Wojnarowski with his latest tweet:

      Y! Sources w/ @SpearsNBAYahoo: As Rasheed Wallace injury lingers, Knicks show a renewed interest in Kenyon Martin. tinyurl.com/avruwhx

    46. mokers

      I think the biggest difference will be Shump’s ability to get to the basket. Brewer has to be open with lots of time to wind up and shoot. Even if there is an opportunity to pump fake and step into a better shot/go to the hoop, it rarely ever happens. I think that may be the knee as it seemed like he was doing a much better job of cutting and getting to the basket earlier in the year. If Shumpert gets the ball and there is a bad rotation, he has a much better ability to get it to penetrate.

    47. Brian Cronin

      Kenyon Martin is always a good signing, especially since he has been so humbled by no one wanting him that he can’t possibly complain about not playing a lot of minutes.

    48. ruruland

      BigBlueAL:
      Wojnarowski with his latest tweet:

      Y! Sources w/ @SpearsNBAYahoo: As Rasheed Wallace injury lingers, Knicks show a renewed interest in Kenyon Martin. tinyurl.com/avruwhx

      Uh, yeah…. this is exactly what I came here to talk about. this will be great.

      Understand that there is direct link between last night and signing K-Mart.

      They waited too long. Not sure which of the non-guaranteed’s go. they have till the 10th.

    49. ruruland

      hoolahoop:
      I haven’t participated here for a long time. I’m sure my comments were hated by lot of people last season for my for taking Melo to task about his selfish, hero ball style.
      Well, overall, I love the way Melo is playing this year. All I ever wanted was for him to be a more complete player, which he obviously has become.
      Now, I’m here to defend him.
      Granted, Melo took it a little too far last night, maybe. There was something positive I saw in the sparing, from the knicks perspective. Usually, KG is the one that intimidates other players, eventually getting them to succumb. His opponents, a little, or a lot, play more tentatively and lose their edge. It can be a subtle difference, almost imperceptible, but enough to make the difference in a game.
      Last night, it was Melo that was the crazed dog. If the rules were thrown aside, Melo would gladly have had at it with KG. i think KG wanted no more of it with him. It was KG that lost his tough edge, even though he played with more focus. That brute toughness, that willing to fight, that refusal of Melo to back down is BIG. It was one of MJ’s greatest weapons.
      Another thing I noticed, by direction of Woodson or not, was that, it seemed to me, that, as a team, andJ kidd especially,others were roughing up KG whenever they ran by him. KG may be a tough mother, but if the whole team is taking shots at him, he’s going to get a good beat down.
      The bottom line is the knicks, though they lost the game, may have won the battle on some level. Mental, psychological and physical superiority are far more important than speed and skill.

      This…..Wait until Kenyon gets here.

      K-Mart and Sheed. ohmigod.

      One of the few guys KG never talks shit to. No one is crazier than Kenyon.

    50. BigBlueAL

      ruruland: Uh, yeah…. this is exactly what I came here to talk about. this will be great.

      Understand that there is direct link between last night and signing K-Mart.

      They waited too long. Not sure which of the non-guaranteed’s go. they have till the 10th.

      I thought the contracts became guaranteed on the 5th?? Maybe it is the 10th not sure. Sheed and Cope are the 2 players I believe with non-guaranteed contracts that become guaranteed soon if not guaranteed already. White’s contract is guaranteed but financially its not that big a hit. You would think White would be the one to be cut but if so they are going to be loaded with a ton of extra big men and very little perimeter depth (though obviously Shump coming back helps in that regard).

    51. ruruland

      Brian Cronin:
      Kenyon Martin is always a good signing, especially since he has been so humbled by no one wanting him that he can’t possibly complain about not playing a lot of minutes.

      He’s ideal for a switching defense. He’ll be the team’ best wing defender and can lock down smaller posts and he better take all of Brewer’s minutes. He’s better in every single area. Good high-post passer, is explosive on free-throw area dribble hand-offs, good screen and role finisher, not as bad of a jump shooter as Camby or Brewer.

    52. ruruland

      BigBlueAL: I thought the contracts became guaranteed on the 5th??Maybe it is the 10th not sure.Sheed and Cope are the 2 players I believe with non-guaranteed contracts that become guaranteed soon if not guaranteed already.White’s contract is guaranteed but financially its not that big a hit.You would think White would be the one to be cut but if so they are going to be loaded with a ton of extra big men and very little perimeter depth (though obviously Shump coming back helps in that regard).

      Bye Copeland. I like White better if nothing more he’s a better bench teammate.

    53. BigBlueAL

      ruruland: Bye Copeland. I like White better if nothing more he’sa better bench teammate.

      How about Kurt Thomas instead of Cope?? I love Kurt but feel bad if they cut Cope because he has earned his roster spot with his play this season. Either way though no big deal who they actually cut.

    54. ruruland

      I think it would only take a few weeks before he’d start. He’s a freak of nature athlete and wouldn’t need much time to condition.

      In a month I think it’ll be Chandler, Martin, Melo, Shumpert, Felton.

      That’s a hell of a defensive unit.

      Prigs, Kidd, Smith, Amar’e, Camby with spot minutes for Sheed/Brewer/Novak on certain nights.

      That’s insane.

    55. nicos

      ruruland: He’s ideal for a switching defense. He’ll be the team’ best wing defender and can lock down smaller posts and he better take all of Brewer’s minutes. He’s better in every single area. Good high-post passer, is explosive on free-throw area dribble hand-offs, good screen and role finisher, not as bad of a jump shooter as Camby or Brewer.

      You also keep him off of the Heat who I think he’d help quite a bit.

    56. ruruland

      BigBlueAL: How about Kurt Thomas instead of Cope??I love Kurt but feel bad if they cut Cope because he has earned his roster spot with his play this season.Either way though no big deal who they actually cut.

      give Cope a chance to play minutes on a bad team somewhere and get a contract. He’s not ready to contribute playoff minutes anywhere. I like Cope, he’s made incredible progress since his days at CEC.

      Still like Kurt because of his presence and ability to bang in playoffs for a couple minutes if guys are in foul trouble/injured.

    57. nicos

      And if Woodson wants to keep playing Amar’e at the five with the second unit Martin’s probably as good a fit next to him as you’ll find- far better than Copeland anyway.

    58. ruruland

      nicos: You also keep him off of the Heat who I think he’d help quite a bit.

      Yeah, it’s part arms race. But honestly, he can probably give better isolations possessions on Lebron than just about anyone in the league.
      He’s a guy who will go beserk if you try to help him with doubles. You obviously don’t want to put him into a situation where he has to be high usage or face big strong power forwards, but Kenyon is a big-game playoff player.

      When the game is allowed to be physical he becomes one of the best players on the floor. He’s also a Chris Bosh stopper.

    59. BigBlueAL

      Yeah no doubt come playoff time dont want Cope anywhere near the floor and have no problems with someone like Kurt getting spot minutes out of necessary due to foul trouble or whatever.

      Just as mentioned before kinda hard not to root for someone like Cope but sentimentality shouldnt be a factor in the decision making.

    60. BigBlueAL

      Still kinda hate KMart due to his feud with Tim Thomas. KMart will always be fugazi to me lol.

    61. flossy

      ruruland:
      I think it would only take a few weeks before he’d start. He’s a freak of nature athlete and wouldn’t need much time to condition.

      In a month I think it’ll be Chandler, Martin, Melo, Shumpert, Felton.

      That’s a hell of a defensive unit.

      Prigs, Kidd, Smith, Amar’e, Cambywith spot minutes for Sheed/Brewer/Novak on certain nights.

      That’s insane.

      Yes, I too think it is insane to suggest that Kenyon fuckin’ Martin will be starting at PF within a month for the Knicks. I don’t know about his rapport with KG (I’ll take your word for it that fake thug game recognizes fake thug game), but not only is K-Mart thoroughly fugazi, his game looked like it was in serious decline last year.

      Unless the Knicks think they have literally found the fountain of youth (I guess he’d only be the… 5th oldest player on the team? Yikes), I really hope this isn’t some stupid overreaction to getting bullied by Garnett ’cause rooting for Kenyon Martin would be painful.

    62. ruruland

      Last few years K-Mart defensive +/-

      ’11 opponents -4.4 with K-Mart on floor

      ’10 -3.5

      ’09 -.5

      ’08 -1.2

      Career: -2.1

      Duncan career: -5

      Chandler career: -.5

      Camby: -1.1

      Howard: -.8

      Artest: -3.2

    63. ruruland

      flossy: Yes, I too think it is insane to suggest that Kenyon fuckin’ Martin will be starting at PF within a month for the Knicks.I don’t know about his rapport with KG (I’ll take your word for it that fake thug game recognizes fake thug game), but not only is K-Mart thoroughly fugazi, his game looked like it was in serious decline last year.

      you don’t know what you’re talking about. Kenyon a hate to face love to have guy.

      His pnr defense, communication and versatility on switches, it’s inevitable that Woodson will fall in love with that…

    64. jon abbey

      yeah, Cope shouldn’t go, White or Thomas should go before him, and really it should be Thomas, because how many antique PFs does one team need?

    65. ruruland

      Nov. 21st:

      Former Celtics forward and current analyst Brian Scalabrine said his own former teammate, Kenyon Martin, is perfect for the job.

      “My opinion is I cannot believe that Kenyon Martin does not have a job in the NBA,” Scalabrine said of Martin, who will turn 35 years old in December. “He has a high basketball IQ and he would fit in so well with this team. Defensively, he can guard LeBron James. That’s a reality. He’s 6-foot-9, he’s incredibly quick, he’s athletic, and he’s tough. He’s not afraid.

      “That would really help this team in the sense that it would bring another guy with toughness.”

      Martin averaged 5.2 points, 4.3 rebounds and one block in his 22.4 minutes per game last season for the Clippers, and Scalabrine said any rumors of Martin being a bad locker room presence are false.

      “I know Kenyon Martin is a guy who’s all about winning,” Scalabrine said. “He will fit in fine. Doc Rivers is such a good coach. Last year, he had a problem in L.A., but he was playing for Vinny Del Negro. I can understand why he would be ‘disrepectful’ in the locker room or maybe he wouldn’t do what the coach wanted him to do. He wouldn’t be playing for Vinny Del Negro; he’d be playing for Doc Rivers. And Kevin Garnett will be there, and the culture of the Celtics organization is too strong to mess that up. And he’s not like that at all.

      “If you know Kenyon Martin, he’s about winning, first and foremost, and he’s about playing hard. That’s it,” Scalabrine continued. “He doesn’t worry about his numbers or anything like that. Big fan of his, and he’s incredibly intelligent as a basketball player.”

    66. massive

      Let’s see KG try that BS he did last night with Kenyon Martin on court. I love this move already.

    67. ruruland

      flossy: Yes, I too think it is insane to suggest that Kenyon fuckin’ Martin will be starting at PF within a month for the Knicks.I don’t know about his rapport with KG (I’ll take your word for it that fake thug game recognizes fake thug game), but not only is K-Mart thoroughly fugazi, his game looked like it was in serious decline last year.

      Unless the Knicks think they have literally found the fountain of youth (I guess he’d only be the… 5th oldest player on the team?Yikes), I really hope this isn’t some stupid overreaction to getting bullied by Garnett ’cause rooting for Kenyon Martin would be painful.

      http://thebrooklyngame.com/tag/kenyon-martin/

    68. flossy

      ruruland: you don’t know what you’re talking about. Kenyon a hate to face love to have guy.

      His pnr defense, communication and versatility on switches, it’s inevitable that Woodson will fall in love with that…

      Except it’s 2013, for crying out loud. Dude’s toast. And for one thing, if I were Amar’e Stoudemire and the Knicks signed fuckin’ Kenyon Martin mid-season after literally zero other teams felt the need to offer him a contract and he was starting over me within a month, I’d flip my shit.

      I don’t like Kenyon Martin, but I don’t care all that much if the Knicks add another old fart to the end of the bench. But he is not a starting PF in the NBA any more and frankly, I’m not too fond of the whole “random old person gets token start at PF but hardly plays” thing long-term. Why do you have Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire on your roster if NEITHER of them starts at PF?

    69. ruruland

      flossy: Except it’s 2013, for crying out loud.Dude’s toast.And for one thing, if I were Amar’e Stoudemire and the Knicks signed fuckin’ Kenyon Martin mid-season after literally zero other teams felt the need to offer him a contract and he was starting over me within a month, I’d flip my shit.

      I don’t like Kenyon Martin, but I don’t care all that much if the Knicks add another old fart to the end of the bench.But he is not a starting PF in the NBA any more and frankly, I’m not too fond of the whole “random old person gets token start at PF but hardly plays” thing long-term.Why do you have Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire on your roster if NEITHER of them starts at PF?

      Dude’s toast? You want my Synergy subscription?

      It’s not about starting, it’s about synergies. This doesn’t change anything with Amar’e, in fact it should force him to focus on his defensive rotations so that he doesn’t lose minutes (and I fully expect him to start getting 30 mpg moving forward)

      The whole Melo at power forward thing is bunk. Many of the lineups with Melo at the 4 don’t provide anything he can’t get as a 3. He’s playing much more on the perimeter than he did when he played small forward full time where he was, you know, pretty good.

      Check this out:

      Melo efg% as small forward: .580

      Melo efg% as power forward: .533

      Melo turnovers per game small forward: 2.2

      Power forward: 3.3

      http://www.82games.com/1213/12NYK10.HTM

      Kenyon Martin gets Brewer’s minutes.

      Iman Shumpert gets Novak’s minutes.

      You get a lot better on defense, Shumpert and Martin are both much more well rounded players.

      Amar’e still is a huge part of this team — everyone knows he’ll have to be great if the Knicks are going to go anywhere.

      Martin does nothing to change that. he makes players around him better.

    70. johnlocke

      If we get Kenyon Martin – it’s either James White or Kurt Thomas that’s gone. We already have Shump, JR and Kidd at 2 guard -so it may be Flight that goes. We have Brew, Melo and Novak that can play 3.

    71. DRed

      flossy: Except it’s 2013, for crying out loud.Dude’s toast.And for one thing, if I were Amar’e Stoudemire and the Knicks signed fuckin’ Kenyon Martin mid-season after literally zero other teams felt the need to offer him a contract and he was starting over me within a month, I’d flip my shit.

      I don’t like Kenyon Martin, but I don’t care all that much if the Knicks add another old fart to the end of the bench.But he is not a starting PF in the NBA any more and frankly, I’m not too fond of the whole “random old person gets token start at PF but hardly plays” thing long-term.Why do you have Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire on your roster if NEITHER of them starts at PF?

      If we’re replacing the 12th guy on the bench with K-Mart then it doens’t really matter. If he’s got something left in the tank he might be able to help. It’s not like White or Copleand are really doing much. K-Mart was awful with the Clippers, but that was a weird year.

      As for Amare, if he’s not playing well, who cares what he thinks? If he gets back in game shape and is contributing, then it’s not the worst problem to have.

    72. johnlocke

      IF Amare starts to become serviceable on defense once he gets back in rhythm I actually think he should start. Felton, Shump, Melo, Amare, Chandler would be the starting lineup. My other starting lineup would be to substitute Amare with Novak or Brewer (assuming he relearns how to play basketball)

    73. DRed

      It’s like you’ve all forgotten how awesome Kidd has been this year. If there’s a really bad matchup for him on D, sure, play Shump more, but otherwise that’s Kidd’s spot.

    74. ruruland

      DRed: If we’re replacing the 12th guy on the bench with K-Mart then it doens’t really matter.If he’s got something left in the tank he might be able to help.It’s not like White or Copleand are really doing much.K-Mart was awful with the Clippers, but that was a weird year.

      As for Amare, if he’s not playing well, who cares what he thinks?If he gets back in game shape and is contributing, then it’s not the worst problem to have.

      Because advanced metrics do a great job tracking defensive impact.

      He does literally everything better than Brewer, the guy he’d be replacing.

      Before you make claims about how bad Martin was last year please watch his possessions against Memphis in the playoffs.

    75. ruruland

      DRed:
      It’s like you’ve all forgotten how awesome Kidd has been this year.If there’s a really bad matchup for him on D, sure, play Shump more, but otherwise that’s Kidd’s spot.

      He’s getting torched nightly on defense against point guards. He needs some beside h

      DRed:
      It’s like you’ve all forgotten how awesome Kidd has been this year.If there’s a really bad matchup for him on D, sure, play Shump more, but otherwise that’s Kidd’s spot.

      He’s getting torched by pgs on a nightly basis. He needs someone beside him to cover them.

      I’m fine with him starting at sg though, but think Shumpert would be better fit with Felton.

      Kidd is still going to get 25-30 minutes. He just shouldn’t guard opposing pgs.

    76. ruruland

      johnlocke:
      IF Amare starts to become serviceable on defense once he gets back in rhythm I actually think he should start.Felton, Shump, Melo, Amare, Chandler would be the starting lineup.My other starting lineup would be to substitute Amare with Novak or Brewer (assuming he relearns how to play basketball)

      Novak is killing the Knicks. There is no way he stays in the rotation if they pick up Martin and when Shump is healthy.

    77. d-mar

      ruruland: Novak is killing the Knicks. There is no way he stays in the rotation if they pick up Martin and when Shump is healthy.

      Yeah I like the guy and he is automatic from 3, but watching him guard Green last night was sickening. He had no chance.

    78. ruruland

      d-mar: Yeah I like the guy and he is automatic from 3, but watching him guard Green last night was sickening. He had no chance.

      You just can’t win with him against serious teams because they’ll focus on him. He’s a nice guy to have on your team, but he creates a lot of distrust and stress on teammates having to make sure they know where he is at all times.

    79. DRed

      d-mar: Yeah I like the guy and he is automatic from 3, but watching him guard Green last night was sickening. He had no chance.

      There was a lot of blame to go around last night. Melo was 6-26, Amare got 2 rebounds in 28 minutes, and Prigioni kept giving the ball to the Celtics.

    80. DRed

      ruruland: You just can’t win with him against serious teams because they’ll focus on him. He’s a nice guy to have on your team, but he creates a lot of distrust and stress on teammates having to make sure they know where he is at all times.

      So what you’re saying is that Carmelo doesn’t like him? The Heat and the Spurs should be amused to find out that they’re not serious teams.

    81. ruruland

      DRed: So what you’re saying is that Carmelo doesn’t like him? The Heat and the Spurs should be amused to find out that they’re not serious teams.

      You seriously expect me to respond to this?

    82. ruruland

      DRed: So what you’re saying is that Carmelo doesn’t like him? The Heat and the Spurs should be amused to find out that they’re not serious teams.

      I will anyway.
      You don’t see Novak consistently not make his rotation on time or put up any kind of resistance in help situations on pnr?

      He’s getting exposed on defense pretty consistently. That makes it very hard to build a strong, on-a-string defense that wins in the post-season.

    83. DRed

      ruruland: You seriously expect me to respond to this?

      Sure. How do you know he makes the Knicks stressed? I heard the Knicks all love Novak because he brings the best cookies to team meetings. The numbers you use to show that KMart is a good defender show Novak has been about averge this year. And we’ve been beating serious teams with Novak all season long.

    84. ruruland

      DRed: Sure.How do you know he makes the Knicks stressed?I heard the Knicks all love Novak because he brings the best cookies to team meetings.The numbers you use to show that KMart is a good defender show Novak has been about averge this year.And we’ve been beating serious teams with Novak all season long.

      I mean that in the sense that he puts stress on the defense, not psychologically per se but that’s part of it.

      I’m saying when a guy is consistently getting broken down or isn’t helping as he should, his teammates have to do extra stuff, which ultimately leads to errors outside of simply the Novak breakdowns.

      It’s pretty obvious guys like Novak, but his inability to do his job on defense I think is starting to have an effect.

    85. ruruland

      DRed: Sure.How do you know he makes the Knicks stressed?I heard the Knicks all love Novak because he brings the best cookies to team meetings.The numbers you use to show that KMart is a good defender show Novak has been about averge this year.And we’ve been beating serious teams with Novak all season long.

      Also, comparing Novak to Martin on defense would be to compare Novak’s shooting form to Martin’s. You just can’t be serious.

    86. DRed

      ruruland: I mean that in the sense that he puts stress on the defense, not psychologically per se but that’s part of it.

      I’m saying when a guy is consistently getting broken down or isn’t helping as he should, his teammates have to do extra stuff, which ultimately leads to errors outside of simply the Novak breakdowns.

      It’s pretty obvious guys like Novak, but his inability to do his job on defense I think is starting to have an effect.

      Then why don’t the 5 man unit numbers show the knicks playing much better defense with Novak on the bench? Your argument makes sense, but where’s the evidence?

    87. ruruland

      DRed: Then why don’t the 5 man unit numbers show the knicks playing much better defense with Novak on the bench?Your argument makes sense, but where’s the evidence?

      They’re playing better defense, just not much better with Novak on the bench. I don’t know what the answer is. The first unit gets to pretty horrific starts.

      But when the game is one the line or when the first unit is into it, it’s abundantly clear who the weak link is.

      The Knicks try to hide him the best they can.

    88. Brian Cronin

      Miami and Alanta are likely going to lose. Awesome.

      The Nets are playing a lot better. Why couldn’t they have stuck with the awful Avery Johnson as coach?

    89. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      Miami and Alanta are likely going to lose. Awesome.

      The Nets are playing a lot better. Why couldn’t they have stuck with the awful Avery Johnson as coach?

      Yeah but the Bulls, Pacers and Nets are starting to appear pretty big in the rear view mirror.

    90. BigBlueAL

      BigBlueAL: Yeah but the Bulls, Pacers and Nets are starting to appear pretty big in the rear view mirror.

      Forgot to mention the Celtics too but not sure if in the regular season they will make much of a push but come 1st round of the playoffs Im pretty sure no Top 4 seed will want to see them.

    91. d-mar

      Brian Cronin:
      Miami and Alanta are likely going to lose. Awesome.

      The Nets are playing a lot better. Why couldn’t they have stuck with the awful Avery Johnson as coach?

      Before the seats on the Nets bandwagon start quickly refilling, keep in mind they’ve had one statement victory since Johnson was fired, over OKC, (and granted that’s a biggie). Their other W’s are against Charlotte, Cleveland, Washington (in double OT), Sacramento and Philly, who have lost 6 of their last 7. I’m still not a believer.

    92. Brian Cronin

      I’m only really worried about the Nets (and even then, only sort of worried) because I think they’re the only team that could possibly knock the Knicks out of the Top 4 seeds. The Knicks really need one of those top 4 seeds (obviously you’d prefer a top 3 seed).

    93. BigBlueAL

      Brian Cronin:
      I’m only really worried about the Nets (and even then, only sort of worried) because I think they’re the only team that could possibly knock the Knicks out of the Top 4 seeds. The Knicks really need one of those top 4 seeds (obviously you’d prefer a top 3 seed).

      Yeah its at least a 3 seed or major disappointment to me mainly because of the start they had to the season and the pretty huge cushion they have built for themselves in the standings for a top 3 seed. The only team I can see taking a top 2 seed away from the Knicks and Heat are the Bulls once Rose comes back. They only have 13 losses right now. I would be extremely disappointed if another team besides the Heat or Bulls finish ahead of the Knicks in the regular season.

      Then again before the season I wouldve been thrilled with a 50 win season and a 4 seed lol. But as I mentioned the start to this season has raised my expectations, if not necessarily for the win total but in their place in the standings. If the Knicks “only” win 50 games but get a 2/3 seed I will be thrilled. But then again if down the stretch of the regular season the Knicks are still in contention for the 1 seed with the Heat and just barely miss out on it I will probably be disappointed lol.

      Im full of contradictions right now lol.

    94. Brian Cronin

      Ha! As far as expectations go, mine are still the same as the start of the season. I just want them to get to the second round of the playoffs. If they lose in the second round, I won’t be happy but I can live with it. Think about it, Al, we haven’t seen these guys win a playoff series in a dozen years!!!!

      By the way, the Lakers lost again. Their roster is scary bad right now. James Harden had another crazy good game. That dude is on quite a tear.

    95. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      ruruland: It’s up to Kenyon. Also, those same rumors have been going on for more than a year.
      Everyone knows they are more distant then when they first moved up there.

      Count me among the people who absolutely could not give a shit less than I do or ever will.

    96. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      BigBlueAL: Yeah its at least a 3 seed or major disappointment to me mainly because of the start they had to the season and the pretty huge cushion they have built for themselves in the standings for a top 3 seed.

      But Al, do you remember when Kidd was shooting .780 TS% and Carmelo was like, 50% on threes? We all knew they were going to come down to earth. All of us except ruruland and Juany8, the latter of which not yet having acknowledged that James Harden is scoring more points per shot than Kevin Martin despite shooting 7 more FG per 48.

    97. DRed

      The Lakers are going to need a lot of luck to finish at .500 this year. That is a real bad basketball team right now.

    98. DRed

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: But Al, do you remember when Kidd was shooting .780 TS% and Carmelo was like, 50% on threes? We all knew they were going to come down to earth. All of us except ruruland and Juany8, the latter of which not yet having acknowledged that James Harden is scoring more points per shot than Kevin Martin despite shooting 7 more FG per 48.

      The cool thing about it is that we did win all those games. As long as we’re healthy come playoff times we’ve got a legit shot, and it’s been a long time since we could say that.

    99. nicos

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: But Al, do you remember when Kidd was shooting .780 TS% and Carmelo was like, 50% on threes? We all knew they were going to come down to earth. All of us except ruruland and Juany8, the latter of which not yet having acknowledged that James Harden is scoring more points per shot than Kevin Martin despite shooting 7 more FG per 48.

      Serious question- why value pps over TS% (Martin .622 vs. .603 for Harden) or more importantly ppp. Martin is 7th in the league in ppp at 1.12, Harden is 31st at 1.04. If usage doesn’t matter and shot creation is a myth, isn’t Martin having a better scoring season than Harden?

    100. jon abbey

      to me the question with Harden will come as the season gets deeper, the last two years he’s played 2600-2700 minutes including the playoffs, right now he’s on pace for 3039 (including the game he missed) plus any playoff minutes.

    101. ruruland

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: But Al, do you remember when Kidd was shooting .780 TS% and Carmelo was like, 50% on threes? We all knew they were going to come down to earth. All of us except ruruland and Juany8, the latter of which not yet having acknowledged that James Harden is scoring more points per shot than Kevin Martin despite shooting 7 more FG per 48.

      Is there a point you’re trying to make somewhere in there, or have you once again pretended to forget what I’ve typed about Harden and the Knicks 3 pt shooting?

      Not worth a second more of my time, nor should the troll be to any of you.

    102. ruruland

      nicos: Serious question- why value pps over TS% (Martin .622 vs. .603 for Harden) or more importantly ppp.Martin is 7th in the league in ppp at 1.12, Harden is 31st at 1.04.If usage doesn’t matter and shot creation is a myth, isn’t Martin having a better scoring season than Harden?

      Or we going to pretend the troll is going to honestly attempt to answer this question?

    103. nicos

      ruruland: Or we going to pretend the troll is going to honestly attempt to answer this question?

      I honestly would like to know what he feels pps tells you that TS% doesn’t- he’s brought pps up a few times this year. And if he really wants to talk about efficiency, why not use ppp as it factors in turnovers. I know he was trolling (though just mildly in this case) but I figured he might answer the question. I’d also note that while Harden has been great, his efficiency has taken a pretty substantial dip from .660 to .603 while Martin’s is 26 points above his career average.

    104. ruruland

      nicos: I honestly would like to know what he feels pps tells you that TS% doesn’t- he’s brought pps up a few times this year.And if he really wants to talk about efficiency, why not use ppp as it factors in turnovers.I know he was trolling (though just mildly in this case) but I figured he might answer the question.I’d also note that while Harden has been great, his efficiency has taken a pretty substantial dip from .660 to .603 while Martin’s is 26 points above his career average.

      Yeah, I know. pps was used only because Harden’s pps is higher than ts % because of his insanely high ft%.

      pps is obviously a much worse statistic than ts % or ppp. It’s about equal to fg %.

    105. iserp

      The Honorable Cock Jowles: We all knew they were going to come down to earth. All of us except ruruland and Juany8, the latter of which not yet having acknowledged that James Harden is scoring more points per shot than Kevin Martin despite shooting 7 more FG per 48.

      No one said that Kevin Martin was better than James Harden. I think everyone regards Harden as a star, even if he has flaws. What most people said about the trade is that James Harden’s efficiency would go down (and it has) and Kevin Martin’s efficiency would go up (and it has). So please, DON’T MANIPULATE what other people have said in this blog.

    106. Juany8

      iserp: No one said that Kevin Martin was better than James Harden. I think everyone regards Harden as a star, even if he has flaws. What most people said about the trade is that James Harden’s efficiency would go down (and it has) and Kevin Martin’s efficiency would go up (and it has). So please, DON’T MANIPULATE what other people have said in this blog.

      Thank you Iserp, that was exactly my point all along. You’ll notice that the Thunder haven’t exactly gotten worse even though James Harden was supposed to be their best player this year.

      On another note, I couldn’t be happier to see James Harden tearing up the league, although he has become an absolutely atrocious defender. I’m also worried about how the Rockets super fast pace will translate in the playoffs, which at this point it seems they are going to make.

    107. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      nicos: Serious question- why value pps over TS% (Martin .622 vs. .603 for Harden) or more importantly ppp.Martin is 7th in the league in ppp at 1.12, Harden is 31st at 1.04.If usage doesn’t matter and shot creation is a myth, isn’t Martin having a better scoring season than Harden?

      Usage DOES matter. I would much rather have a player who scores 30 a night on 60 TS% than 10 a night at 70%. (I’d rather have both, quite honestly.) The fact is that if you have someone like last year’s Carmelo Anthony, who has an abnormally high usage and mediocre shooting efficiency, unless he’s demonstrably “creating” shots for other teams (like in a way that you can point to and say CARMELO ABSOLUTELY MADE THAT TEAMMATE’S SHOT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LIKELY TO GO IN, which is a rare occurrence) he’s not really adding much value to the team.

      Given Harden’s insane combination of usage, efficiency, and position (SG is not a very productive position in the current NBA, hence Jason Kidd’s dominance according to WP), he’s one of the best players in the league, even now. Is he as efficient as he was last year? No. But I would take him on the Knicks in a heartbeat, if only to put Kidd at PG and get Felton anywhere but on the court.

      Who said usage doesn’t matter?

    108. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      jon abbey:
      why do you never ever talk about Harden’s defense, or lack thereof?

      Because I can’t quantify it, and you sure as hell haven’t seen enough of it to make any substantial claim about it. Even if Synergy says that he’s not very good, I don’t really care: Synergy attributes something like 30-35% of defensive plays to team defense, a figure conveniently disregarded by the posters on this board.

      Defense – Plays

      How we select the player – Synergy tracks the initial on ball defender for many playtypes. For example, an offensive player is in Isolation and blows by his defender (player A) and gets to the rim. A help defender (player B) rotates over to try and contest the shot. We attribute the defensive play to Player A, as he was the person was initially beaten on the play.

      What happened to the other play types? – We do not attach an individual defender on offensive rebounds, cuts or transition plays as these are team defense concepts and fault/credit usually cannot be attributed to one person.

      This is supposed to be scientific?

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