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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jan 01 2013)

  • [New York Times] Spurs 104, Nets 73: Nets, With P.J. Carlesimo, Break Down Against Spurs (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:39:18 GMT)
    Despite a roster overhaul, new arena, new address and recent change in coach, the Nets closed 2012 much as they began it: looking hapless and lost, this time in a blowout to the Spurs.

  • [New York Times] Vindication for Popovich: Spurs’ Vigor (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:39:18 GMT)
    Since Coach Gregg Popovich gave his three stars a game off, resulting in a $250,000 fine, they have led the San Antonio Spurs to 12 wins in 16 games.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Section 15: Best Friends (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 03:47:18 GMT)
    Best friends Edward Nelson and Jurrel Diaz, teenagers from Carroll Gardens, celebrated Nelson’s 16th birthday at Barclays Center.

  • [New York Times] Durant and Westbrook Lift Thunder Over Suns (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 03:37:32 GMT)
    Kevin Durant scored 30 points, Russell Westbrook returned from a cut above his eye to finish with 24 points, nine assists and seven rebounds and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Phoenix Suns 114-96 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Parker Leads Spurs Over Nets for 6th Straight Win (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 02:40:54 GMT)
    Tony Parker had 20 points and the San Antonio Spurs held the Brooklyn Nets to only five points in the third quarter en route to a 104-73 win Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Rockets Bounce Back With 123-104 Win Over Hawks (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 02:28:56 GMT)
    James Harden had 28 points and the Houston Rockets rebounded from their worst loss of the season with a 123-104 win over the Atlanta Hawks on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] James, Bosh Lead Heat Over Magic 112-110 in OT (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:43:35 GMT)
    LeBron James had 36 points, 11 assists and eight rebounds, and Chris Bosh scored 22 points to help the Miami Heat slip past the Orlando Magic 112-110 in overtime Monday.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Surge Past Visiting Grizzlies (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:28:28 GMT)
    A furious fourth quarter from the Indiana Pacers sparked an 88-83 comeback win over the visiting Memphis Grizzlies on Monday.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Hurting Knicks Uncertain of Tuesday’s Lineup (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 00:03:00 GMT)
    Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire both practiced Monday, although neither is a lock to start on Tuesday against the Trail Blazers.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ New Year’s resolution: Get healthy (Tue, 01 Jan 2013 04:07:19 GMT)
    The Knicks remain hopeful they might get some combination of forwards Carmelo Anthony, Amar’e Stoudemire and Rasheed Wallace back for the New Year’s Day. Or they might get none of them back, which still appears to be the more likely scenario.

  • 19 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Jan 01 2013)

    1. daJudge

      Happy New Years y’all! Stat will play tonight according to Wojo. Can we start the year with a ‘that’s Amare’ or Stat-Stat?

    2. danvt

      Thanks Massive for the video of Carmelo and Amar’e going tag team on the Jazz. I noticed that there was almost no ball movement on any of those baskets. The only assists were Melo finding Stat for the mid range jumper and one little Landry Fields handoff. It should be totally different with Mr. Kidd in the building.

      Just don’t rush things guys. If we do this right we can beat the Heat in April!

    3. flossy

      The saddest thing about that video (aside from Utah’s defense) is around 4:40 when their commentators are like “what was Phoenix thinking giving up on Stoudemire?!” Oh, those were the days…

      I do hope that he and Hopla have been working on the 15-20 ft. jumper because if he can regain the mid-range shooting touch he showed in this clip, he’ll score a lot almost by default. Are there any prominent examples of players whose jump shot just disappeared permanently midway through their career? I know he might not be jumping over everyone, but he should still be able to shoot–hell, if Kurt Thomas can squeeze off a few Js in his cameo appearances, those shots should be there for Amar’e too (and if they aren’t, it’ll be that much easier for Melo/Chandler to score at the rim).

      I also have a sinking feeling though that the Knicks want to feature Amar’e just enough to demonstrate he still has a pulse before dumping him in the lap of the first team that will take him. How crazy would it be if Brooklyn and NYK just swapped horrible contracts and did a Johnson for Amar’e trade? D-Will would probably enjoy playing with an actual PnR big (and Brook can shoot well enough to leave the paint open) and Chandler/Melo/Johnson/Kidd/Felton line-up is like, *infinitely* better than the same four with Ronnie Brewer in place of JJ. Even if Johnson’s not a star-quality player anymore, he’s versatile enough that you could run out some huge and skilled line-ups like Shump/JR/JJ/Melo/Chandler… just a thought.

      Mostly I hope that wherever he plays, Amar’e has a MUCH better 2013 than 2012

    4. Z-man

      Amare is a very proud guy and his work ethic is legendary. The real question for him is whether he can accept that he is not 24 years old and his game has to evolve to account for the decline/loss of his physical gifts. I have no worry about his shot or his ability to dunk and finish. My issue is that he can’t blow by opposing PFs or even C’s any more without either getting blocked, stripped, or committing an offensive foul. He should model his offensive game after Kevin Garnett, who rarely tries to blow by anybody anymore and just uses his length and savvy to score. Amare’s bigger issue is going to be on the defensive end, where he gets confused and is a split-second slow to react. That probably won’t change.

    5. johnlocke

      Starting lineup if no Melo should include Copeland tonight.
      Happy NY and welcome back Amare. He would have to be pretty useless to not help the team right now

    6. d-mar

      From Berman today: “Woodson cautioned Stoudemire will play limited minutes for a while because of his lack of conditioning and spotty knowledge of the new defense.”

      I think if you take out “the new” from that sentence it would be more accurate.

    7. yellowboy90

      johnlocke:
      Starting lineup if no Melo should include Copeland tonight.
      Happy NY and welcome back Amare. He would have to be pretty useless to not help the team right now

      Starting Lineup with Melo should include Copeland.

    8. johnlocke

      As I’ve id before we are an average defensive team this season. Stoudemire was part of a top defensive team under woody last year. For those who want to be optimistic:

      http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/12/29/3810864/mythbusters-amare-style

      d-mar:
      From Berman today: “Woodson cautioned Stoudemire will play limited minutes for a while because of his lack of conditioning and spotty knowledge of the new defense.”

      I think if you take out “the new” from that sentence it would be more accurate.

    9. JK47

      I have a theory that some of the Knicks’ defensive problems this year stem from a simple lack of length. The Knicks are playing a lot of small ball this year, with Melo playing mostly PF, JR Smith playing a lot of SF and Kidd playing lots of SG. Stat may not be a defensive wizard but he has legitimate PF height and wingspan, and he allows Melo and JR to play more minutes at their more natural positions.

      The Knicks’ defense has been pretty solid in terms of rebounding and generating turnovers; it’s the high eFG% allowed that is killing them. The Knicks are 29th in the league in blocked shots. Melo has only 14 on the season for 0.6 per game, not a passable number from the PF position. Stat is much more of a shot blocking threat than Melo and has the length to challenge short jumpers better than Melo can. It may seem paradoxical but I think Stat might actually help more on the defensive end than on the offensive end.

    10. ruruland

      Melo will play tonight barring a game time change of mind.

      Amare has apparently been showing some of that old bounce.

      I think people forgot how good this guy is; last year was weird for a ton of guys.

      While not having Raymond hurts, you’re still getting back one of the premier scoring bigs in the NBA. We really aren’t that far removed from the great second half Amare had in 2010 and his MVP caliber first half of 2011.

      He still has that in him, whether he’s even more prone to another injury is another question. But within this team concept, you’re still getting the same package.

      And yes he’ll help defensively given how poor Brewer has been in team defense. A Kidd, Smith,Melo, Amare, Chandler/Camby should be one of the best defensive rebounding units in the league.

      Amare will contest shots, as JK mentioned.

    11. jon abbey

      yeah, that above Posting and Toasting article is kind of a must-read. people forget that Amar’e mostly struggled last year because he couldn’t hit the open 15-17 footer, a shot he was great at for years. if he gets back to that, he will be a crucial piece for this team and a major asset going forward (for this team, still no trade value).

    12. Juany8

      My problem with Stoudemire for a while has been that I don’t see him as an upgrade over JR at the end of games. You want to start him and let him be the primary focus of the second unit? That’s fantastic, and you could probably get him 30 minutes a night doing that. But the Knicks finishing lineup has been blowing everyone away all season. There’s a reason no lead seems to large for the Knicks to overcome, the Felton-Kidd-JR-Melo-Chandler lineup is absolutely unstoppable on offense while being excellent on defense. That lineup is blowing away the league at a rate of 22 points per 100 possessions and it’s playing mostly against other teams top lineups (a lot of teams don’t start their strongest 5 these days)

      No other contender has a lineup that’s played over 100 minutes and been anywhere near as successful. On the other hand, the starting lineup is barely outscoring opponents since Brewer turned to shit, and most of the bench lineups (especially those featuring Novak) are pretty bad.

    13. nicos

      Z-man:
      Amare is a very proud guy and his work ethic is legendary. The real question for him is whether he can accept that he is not 24 years old and his game has to evolve to account for the decline/loss of his physical gifts. I have no worry about his shot or his ability to dunk and finish. My issue is that he can’t blow by opposing PFs or even C’s any more without either getting blocked, stripped, or committing an offensive foul. He should model his offensive game after Kevin Garnett, who rarely tries to blow by anybody anymore and just uses his length and savvy to score. Amare’s bigger issue is going to be on the defensive end, where he gets confused and is a split-second slow to react. That probably won’t change.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL0Xp9pMVVY
      Is Amar’e the same guy he was at 24? No, but I think the whole Amar’e has lost his athleticism thing is a bit overblown. I think a lot of his charges/turnovers last year had as much to do with poor spacing as anything. Most of those dunks in the video came with a second big on floor- he can still blow by most power forwards and finish over the top of a rotating big. He has more issues with guards sagging back into the lane who can either draw the charge or disrupt his dribble. And as the Knicks guards couldn’t shoot a lick last year the opposing guards were pretty much free to help whenever they wanted to on defense. This year should be different.

    14. d-mar

      That video brought a smile to my face, some of those dunks were just ferocious. Surprised none were from the Clippers game in LA, that was an epic dunk-off between STAT and Griffin in the middle of that amazing 30+ scoring run by Amare.

    15. Z-man

      nicos, I agree with the spacing issue, but my eyes (can’t necessarily back it up with stats) tell me that there was definitely a loss of explosion since his back injury. I wish we had access to measurables to back up or refute what I’m feeling. Since I don’t, I would guess that he has lost an inch or two off of his vertical. He still gets up high enough to dunk ferociously, but that inch or two matters. Translated into horizontal movement, it means that rotating guards have a split-second longer to get to him w/o slapping his arm instead of the ball, and that bigs can get a block rather than his arm.

      I also watched him get beat off the dribble on D by slower guys like Pekovic to their strong side. The same thing is happening to Dwight Howard right now. The effect of a back injury on explosiveness shouldn’t be understated. Maybe Amare is finally all the way back from his back injury, but it never looked like it to me at any time last year, despite what his TS% numbers said. Now he has a sore knee on top of the back, so I doubt that he will be able to do all of the same things he did pre-back injury as effectively. Just my opinion. However, he has enough skill to overcome it if he isn’t stubborn about proving he is the same player he was.

      I hope I’m wrong and that he jumps through my TV tonight, but I will not be surprised if he looks like a slightly different player, for better or for worse.

    16. nicos

      Z-man:
      nicos, I agree with the spacing issue, but my eyes (can’t necessarily back it up with stats) tell me that there was definitely a loss of explosion since his back injury. I wish we had access to measurables to back up or refute what I’m feeling. Since I don’t, I would guess that he has lost an inch or two off of his vertical. He still gets up high enough to dunk ferociously, but that inch or two matters. Translated into horizontal movement, it means that rotating guards have a split-second longer to get to him w/o slapping his arm instead of the ball, and that bigs can get a block rather than his arm.

      I also watched him get beat off the dribble on D by slower guys like Pekovic to their strong side. The same thing is happening to Dwight Howard right now. The effect of a back injury on explosiveness shouldn’t be understated. Maybe Amare is finally all the way back from his back injury, but it never looked like it to me at any time last year, despite what his TS% numbers said. Now he has a sore knee on top of the back, so I doubt that he will be able to do all of the same things he did pre-back injury as effectively. Just my opinion. However, he has enough skill to overcome it if he isn’t stubborn about proving he is the same player he was.

      I hope I’m wrong and that he jumps through my TV tonight, but I will not be surprised if he looks like a slightly different player, for better or for worse.

      I agree that he’s lost an inch and that that inch matters. But I also think that he’s still a guy who can (and should) be attacking the rim on a regular basis. In his prime he was the best finisher in the league (and he had a few years as a finisher that were as good as just about anyone in NBA history). He’s not going to get back to that level but I think he can still be very effective in that role.

    17. JK47

      If Amar’e can shoot the midrange J with a reasonable amount of efficiency he’ll be a godsend. It’s been said here many times– that shot completely deserted him last year, but historically he’s been very good at it. I’ve been down on him in the past, and he can be a very frustrating player, but I’m pulling for him.

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