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Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Feb 19 2013)

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks midseason report: Now the fun begins (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:50:28 GMT)
    And now the fun really begins. The Knicks are 32 regular-season games away from the franchise’s most important postseason since 1999. Carmelo Anthony has them in position to catch the Miami Heat for the top spot in the Eastern Conference. A second seed remains more realistic.

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Wallace ready to take practice floor again (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:46:09 -0500)
    Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler return today from Houston, and Rasheed Wallace returns from oblivion.
    The Knicks reconvene for the first time since the All-Star break, with their defensive power forward expected to participate in practice for the first time since suffering a stress reaction in his left foot in…

  • [New York Post] Donnie: Knicks, Pacers can beat Heat (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:43:00 -0500)
    It’s appropriate the Knicks and Pacers square off tomorrow in Indianapolis out of the All-Star Break. Donnie Walsh, who had a hand in constructing both squads, believes the two teams have the most ingredients to spoil Miami’s predicted romp to the NBA Finals.
    The Knicks and Pacers stand…

  • [New York Times] Jerry Buss, Lakers’ Flamboyant Owner, Dies at 80 (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:19:08 GMT)
    Jerry Buss had been a chemist and a mathematician long before he bought the Los Angeles Lakers in 1979. The self-made millionaire with a head for business and an impresario’s heart assailed the NBA with every skill he acquired along the way.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Bernard King’s Case for Hall of Fame Still a Good One (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:42:35 GMT)
    Quirks of the game: Bernard King is again a finalist for the Basketball Hall of Fame, but whether he will – or should – make the final cut remains an open question.

  • [New York Times] Off the Dribble: Best N.B.A. Games of the Week (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:27:18 GMT)
    The best N.B.A. games of the week include the Oklahoma City at Houston, Miami at Chicago and the Clippers at San Antonio.

  • [New York Times] Deron Williams of Nets Plans to Play Immediately (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:54:17 GMT)
    Point guard Deron Williams returned to practice after an ankle procedure and said he would be in the lineup against the Bucks. Coach P. J. Carlesimo wasn’t so sure.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Jerry Buss Was the Owner Who Made the N.B.A. Cool Again (Tue, 19 Feb 2013 03:32:06 GMT)
    Jerry Buss, the former Lakers owner with 10 N.B.A. titles, recognized that basketball was entertainment. He was a visionary in the art of marketing the game.

  • 45 comments on “Knicks Morning News (Tuesday, Feb 19 2013)

    1. Sovereign

      Knick vs. Grizzlies – March 27th. I am most likely going to be there!

      First time I’ll be able to attend a NBA game. I am friggin’ excited :)

    2. danvt

      One thing I think could help the Knicks is if they value their possessions more. Every game you see Melo and Tyson not running back on defense and talking to the refs. Also, you need to run a play every time and use clock. I know that people hedge the definition of good defensive team by adjusting for pace but slow pace on offense is time on the clock that the other team doesn’t have the ball and is, therefore, good defense. Too many step backs from JR, too many adrenaline threes from Melo. Bad shots lead to long rebounds and fast breaks and that’s the difference in close games. Guys should sit when this kind of stuff happens.

    3. Shad0wF0x

      @Sovereign

      I’ve only been there once (2 years ago) so I can’t really help out. I was one of the mid-section corners and the view point was pretty nice.

    4. Frank

      Sovereign:
      Anyone has seating hints for MSG? Which sections to avoid like the plague, for example?

      Best value IMHO are the corners just outside what is considered “center”. Prob sections 209, 213, 222, and 226. Not sure what your price point is. I personally don’t like the ends behind the basket no matter what distance because the basket/stanchion obstruct your view. I would certainly take a closer seat (ie. first few rows) in one of the sections I listed above rather than a seat near the back of one of the “center” sections. hope that helps.

    5. Sovereign

      Frank: Best value IMHO are the corners just outside what is considered “center”. Prob sections 209, 213, 222, and 226.Not sure what your price point is.I personally don’t like the ends behind the basket no matter what distance because the basket/stanchion obstruct your view.I would certainly take a closer seat (ie. first few rows) in one of the sections I listed above rather than a seat near the back of one of the “center” sections. hope that helps.

      Yes, it does help. Thanks!

      I am looking to pay about 150-200$ a ticket at most. Cheaper is of course better, but since I am not likely to get another shot at watching a game in MSG anytime soon, I guess I might as well make sure I enjoy it…

    6. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      NBA is best up-close. I’d say as close as you can get. You don’t get a sense of the speed of the game until you get toward the floor. I prefer watching at home to watching from the nosebleeds.

    7. david

      So, the Pacers have been getting a lot of press as the number one threat to the Heat. I’m really excited about the game on Wednesday because I think we match up with the pacers fantastically. When they have the ball, they don’t have the things that kill us — scoring PGs, physically dominant PFs — and their best offensive players, like George and Hibbert, will be guarded by our best defenders (shump, and chandler). When we have the ball, they are obviously an elite defensive team, but West on Anthony is a mismatch for us (‘Melo didn’t play when they beat us earlier in teh season) that should open up lots of threes. Even if they move George onto Anthony, that’s a pretty good matchup too — as good as PG is, he’s not strong enough. They don’t have a Deng-like defender to give Anthony difficulty….

      As this could very well be a 2nd round playoff match up, what do you think of how we match up with the Pacers?

    8. llcoolbp

      The Honorable Cock Jowles:
      NBA is best up-close. I’d say as close as you can get. You don’t get a sense of the speed of the game until you get toward the floor. I prefer watching at home to watching from the nosebleeds.

      I sat 3 rows from court side down here in New Orleans when the Knicks were in town in the fall. It was the closest I ever sat after years of nosebleed seats at MSG. I agree with THCJ. It was amazing to watch these world class athletes up close. To literally see their muscles contracting as they run and jump. It’s an experience I’ll never forget. Of course those same seats at MSG are probably $1000.

    9. Frank

      llcoolbp: I sat 3 rows from court side down here in New Orleans when the Knicks were in town in the fall. It was the closest I ever sat after years of nosebleed seats at MSG. I agree with THCJ. It was amazing to watch these world class athletes up close. To literally see their muscles contracting as they run and jump. It’s an experience I’ll never forget.Of course those same seats at MSG are probably $1000.

      I’d probably wait until the day of the game (like 5pm) and see how low ticket prices have dropped on stubhub. that’d be the best way to pay some sort of reasonable price for really good seats.

    10. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I remember sneaking down to maybe the 25th row during a Pistons-Knicks game in late 2008 — Tayshaun Prince jammed it home on a fast-break. Probably looked routine on TV. Looked amazing in real life. So exciting.

    11. Frank

      david: Even if they move George onto Anthony, that’s a pretty good matchup too — as good as PG is, he’s not strong enough. They don’t have a Deng-like defender to give Anthony difficulty….

      Have to be honest – I’ve seen Paul George play about 5 times this year, and I think that when push comes to shove, he might the best 1-on-1 defender in the league. Melo really struggled against him the last time we played, and George basically took that game over in the 2nd half with his defense (both ball-hawking and making life miserable for Melo) and offense. Our current offense is so dependent on Melo creating doubles or dominating a 1-on-1 matchup that any team that can clamp him down without breaking the rest of the defense is going to be tough for us. And that’s without Granger, who is another plus defender.

      So yes – I think Indy is a very tough matchup. For all the talk about the Western conference being tougher than the East, I think at full strength that Miami, NYK, Chicago, and Indiana could go toe-to-toe with anyone out West. And if I were Miami, I would be very worried about the Pacers going forward. Indy has dominated their 2 games this year, and not in a “hitting 24 3 pointers” sort of way like we did. They basically shut Miami’s offense down. If I were a betting man, I’d probably rather wager on Indy as the team to take down Miami than any other team in the East right now.

    12. Frank

      And a great line from Phil Jackson – and which has always been D’Antoni’s problem:

      “Coaching is about, “How do I get these people to play at their peak level?” Yeah, the X’s and O’s mean something, but you can get people to do that. And a lot of those guys have been hired. The Lawrence Franks and the Frank Vogels. Mike Brown was one of those guys. That’s not a knock. Those guys know how to coach the game.
      But coaching is much more than that. It is a spiritual quest. And if it’s not that, you don’t have a challenge, you don’t have a mission. Forming a brotherhood and trying to move it forward, that’s the part that I miss.”

    13. cgreene

      No changes to starting lineup. Ugh. According to Woodson.

      I have to be honest that I am definitely finding his lineups strategy to be questionable.

    14. cgreene

      To add to that I just checked 82 games and Felton/Kidd/Shump/Anthony/Chandler is the 6th most used and of those 6 is far and away the worst. +/- of -18

    15. Frank

      cgreene:
      To add to that I just checked 82 games and Felton/Kidd/Shump/Anthony/Chandler is the 6th most used and of those 6 is far and away the worst.+/- of -18

      Per NBA.com — the 5 man lineup of Felton, Kidd, JR, Melo, Tyson has a ORtg of 122.5 and a DRtg of 94.2- but has only played 190 minutes together. I have no idea why this unit does not start and maybe even finish games.

    16. flossy

      Don’t want to go too far out on a limb here, but wouldn’t it be crazy if we started a point guard at point guard, a shooting guard at shooting guard, a small forward at small forward, a power forward at power forward and a center at center?

    17. jon abbey

      very much agreed on Woodson, not a fan of his recent personnel use. Kidd is killing us and Shumpert is out of position, do we really need both in the starting lineup?

      also, this one’s almost certainly not on Woodson who gave him plenty of chances, but I really don’t understand how Brewer is not a competent rotation guy anymore. maybe ruru knows, some unreported injury? very odd otherwise.

    18. Juany8

      jon abbey:
      very much agreed on Woodson, not a fan of his recent personnel use. Kidd is killing us and Shumpert is out of position, do we really need both in the starting lineup?

      also, this one’s almost certainly not on Woodson who gave him plenty of chances, but I really don’t understand how Brewer is not a competent rotation guy anymore. maybe ruru knows, some unreported injury? very odd otherwise.

      That’s been nagging me all year too, it’s one thing for his 3 point shooting to go away but he just became more and more useless as the year went on. He used to be a great cutter and started off the year well doing just that, and then fell on his face. He was supposed to be an amazing pickup, it seems crazy that he might have just become terrible at basketball

    19. johnlocke

      The guy has just lost his confidence…. maybe a sports psychologist might help

      Juany8: That’s been nagging me all year too, it’s one thing for his 3 point shooting to go away but he just became more and more useless as the year went on. He used to be a great cutter and started off the year well doing just that, and then fell on his face. He was supposed to be an amazing pickup, it seems crazy that he might have just become terrible at basketball

    20. flossy

      johnlocke:
      The guy has just lost his confidence…. maybe a sports psychologist might help

      I mean he had his knee scoped right before training camp and has been a shell of his former self all season. Hard to imagine there’s no connection. Also I think he dislocated a finger. But regardless, he’s been so bad in every facet of the game that I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the court.

    21. BigBlueAL

      This will sound blasphemous coming from me since Im always complaining about the team defense. For everyone saying the Knicks cant trade Shump because he is their best perimeter defender and who will cover Wade if he is gone plus the Knicks dont need to trade a defensive player for an offensive player since their offense is already very good, Im not sure the best way to beat the Heat isnt by outscoring them.

      You cant stop LeBron or Wade (if he is healthy) so really the best way to beat them is probably by beating them at their own game. I know most people say best way to beat them is to pound them on the glass and use size to score on them but the Knicks is one of the unique teams in that they can match the Heat offensively. Also since they dont turn it over (unlike OKC) they take away one of the Heat’s biggest strengths which is them scoring off forcing turnovers.

      Im just saying trading Shump for someone who could greatly improve the offense like Redick would be a huge plus, much more so than holding on to Shump with the belief he could shut down Wade or any other top wing player in the playoffs. I cant believe Im saying this since again Im a big proponent of the Knicks improving their defense if they wanna truly contend for a title but in the playoffs the Knicks biggest strength will be their offense so why not improve it if possible??

    22. jon abbey

      if the OKC Durant/Westbrook/Harden team couldn’t outscore MIA in the Finals last year while playing a similar style, I really doubt that any version of the Knicks can do it, with Redick or not.

    23. Frank

      jon abbey:
      if the OKC Durant/Westbrook/Harden team couldn’t outscore MIA in the Finals last year while playing a similar style, I really doubt that any version of the Knicks can do it, with Redick or not.

      From a basketball purist standpoint, it’s really too bad that San Antonio didn’t make it to the finals last year. That would have been one of the classic series IMHO. OKC was always a bad matchup against Miami because they play so much iso-ball and turn the ball over like crazy. But the discipline and ball movement of SA (who never fouls anyone either) would’ve been a great test for Miami. And SA has a whole bunch of guys they could throw at LBJ and Wade (Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard, Stephen Jackson, Gary Neal).

      Anyway – I agree with jon abbey on this one. There is no way we can hope to SSOL Miami into submission. The best we can do is match them on offense and hope our defense can be better than theirs. I’m really not feeling this Redick trade at all (and btw it seems like no one thinks anything is going to happen anyway).

    24. BigBlueAL

      The Knicks this season have a higher offensive rating than the Thunder last season by almost 2 full points. Plus I think its about the way they score their points. The Thunder last year were last in the NBA in turnover % and 2nd to last this year, thats a HUGE problem when playing the Heat.

      I guess I just dont believe this Knicks team can be a good defensive team and hoping that come playoff time all of a sudden they will become one is fool’s gold. We know they are a very good offensive team, if they go deep in the playoffs to me it will be on the strength of their offense. Improving that strength even more by adding someone like Redick would really make this a scary team to face come playoff time.

      Its not about all of a sudden playing 7SOL vs the Heat, no need to play a quicker pace. The Knicks play a slow pace now and are a great offensive team, no need to change their style. Just that again if the Knicks are successful in the playoffs to me it will be because they are routinely scoring 100 pts vs their opponents, not because they are going to start holding teams to under 90 pts.

    25. BigBlueAL

      For the record come playoff time I dont care if the Knicks win 85-84 or 105-104 as long as they win lol.

    26. jon abbey

      BigBlueAL:
      For the record come playoff time I dont care if the Knicks win 85-84 or 105-104 as long as they win lol.

      I am still so pessimistic about their chances. if you put a gun to my head right now, I would say they go out in the first round (obviously the matchup is crucial, but still). not looking for an argument, that’s how I feel right now.

    27. BigBlueAL

      jon abbey: I am still so pessimistic about their chances. if you put a gun to my head right now, I would say they go out in the first round (obviously the matchup is crucial, but still). not looking for an argument, that’s how I feel right now.

      If you want to feel better about the Knicks chances in the playoffs just watch all non-Heat East teams consistently. The Pacers who everyone fears because they dominated the Heat at home lose their next 2 home games to the Raptors and Nets w/o DWil. Bulls w/o Rose are inconsistent as hell and nobody is sure how healthy Rose will be when he returns. Celtics?? Sorry w/o Rondo no matter how good they look (mostly against crap teams) I dont fear them anywhere near as much as I did before. I dont care about the Nets.

      Feel better now :-)

    28. Brian Cronin

      Whatever else you think about “iso” guys like Kobe and Johnson, you have to admit that at the end of a close game you always need someone who can get a shot off against anyone.

    29. Frank

      BigBlueAL:
      Yeah, so, check out this Knicks trade rumor:

      http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-trade-deadline-diary/

      There’s no way that Ferry worked so hard to get rid of Joe Johnson only to trade for the only contract that’s worse. I can’t possibly imagine that they can’t get a better deal than that. A defensive frontcourt of Tyson + Josh Smith would be nice though. And maybe Woody could even convince him to stop shooting more than 5 feet from the basket.

    30. BigBlueAL

      Frank: There’s no way that Ferry worked so hard to get rid of Joe Johnson only to trade for the only contract that’s worse.I can’t possibly imagine that they can’t get a better deal than that. A defensive frontcourt of Tyson + Josh Smith would be nice though. And maybe Woody could even convince him to stop shooting more than 5 feet from the basket.

      Yeah I would think there is no chance in hell this trade will happen. Fun to think about though lol.

    31. Frank

      Ah, the trade deadline. Chris Broussard tweeting that the Knicks are interested in jermaine o’Neal. For what I can’t imagine. Cope? I’d make that trade in <1second.

    32. BigBlueAL

      Frank:
      Ah, the trade deadline. Chris Broussard tweeting that the Knicks are interested in jermaine o’Neal. For what I can’t imagine. Cope?I’d make that trade in <1second.

      Yeah I saw that too, forgot to mention it here. He said the Knicks have strong interest in him.

    33. d-mar

      Wow, Jermaine O’Neal. We could have a devastating lineup, circa 1999 – Thomas, Camby, O’Neal, Wallace, Kidd… wait, need a PG, is Baron Davis still on the team?

    34. d-mar

      d-mar:
      Wow, Jermaine O’Neal. We could have a devastating lineup, circa 1999 – Thomas, Camby, O’Neal, Wallace, Kidd… wait, need a PG, is Baron Davis still on the team?

      Oops, Kidd circa 1999 could run the point, how about T-Mac for shooting guard?

    35. jon abbey

      BigBlueAL: If you want to feel better about the Knicks chances in the playoffs just watch all non-Heat East teams consistently.The Pacers who everyone fears because they dominated the Heat at home lose their next 2 home games to the Raptors and Nets w/o DWil.Bulls w/o Rose are inconsistent as hell and nobody is sure how healthy Rose will be when he returns.Celtics??Sorry w/o Rondo no matter how good they look (mostly against crap teams) I dont fear them anywhere near as much as I did before.I dont care about the Nets.

      Feel better now :-)

      no, because I have watched them all against the Knicks, which is the only thing that will matter in the first round.

    36. BigBlueAL

      jon abbey: no, because I have watched them all against the Knicks, which is the only thing that will matter in the first round.

      Knicks aint playing the Bulls or Pacers in the 1st round if they stay a Top 3 seed. Nets would most likely be their opponent in a 4/5 series. Celtics are a very likely opponent if the Knicks drop to the 3 seed but again w/o Rondo not sure how worried Id be of playing them.

      2nd round will be tough and I certainly could see them lose then but if they at least hold on to a Top 3 seed I would be shocked if they lose in the 1st round.

    37. Brian Cronin

      The weird thing is that soooooo much depends on where the Knicks are seeded but that seed doesn’t really tell us anything yet.

      If they’re the #2 seed, they could get the Bucks, Celtics or Hawks.
      If they’re the #3 seed, they could get…the Bucks, Celtics or Hawks.

      It is killer, since we can’t even root for a particular seed, since we don’t know if the Celtics will be the #7 seed or the #6 seed. The Knicks will beat the Hawks or the Bucks (and likely the Celtics, it’ll just be more difficult).

      All we can really say is that the Knicks really have to remain either the #2 or #3 seed, since #4 means a match-up against either the Bulls, Pacers or Nets (and while the Knicks should be able to beat the Nets and could certainly hold their own against the Pacers and Bulls, you don’t want to play them in the first round) and then a brutal second round match-up against you know who.

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